---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/17/11: 43 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:25 AM - Re: Re: Thrust test (shad bell) 2. 12:36 AM - Re: Re: Industrial fish scale (Clif Dawson) 3. 03:49 AM - Re: Re: Tail wheel assembly weight (John Kuhfahl) 4. 03:57 AM - Marine Stainless Steel Hardware (John Kuhfahl) 5. 05:18 AM - Re: Marine Stainless Steel Hardware (Ben Charvet) 6. 05:18 AM - Re: You know it's a good Piet day when... (Ben Charvet) 7. 06:23 AM - Re: Marine Stainless Steel Hardware (John Kuhfahl) 8. 07:28 AM - Re: Marine Stainless Steel Hardware (Jeff Wilson) 9. 08:56 AM - external static port (Dan Yocum) 10. 09:00 AM - Re: Marine Stainless Steel Hardware (John Kuhfahl) 11. 09:12 AM - Re: external static port (kevinpurtee) 12. 09:22 AM - Idea about front cockpit side door (giacummo) 13. 10:26 AM - Re: Marine Stainless Steel Hardware (Ben Charvet) 14. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: Marine Stainless Steel Hardware (Jack) 15. 10:32 AM - Re: Idea about front cockpit side door (Ben Charvet) 16. 10:34 AM - Re: external static port (Ben Charvet) 17. 10:37 AM - Thomasville Ga Fly-in? (Ben Charvet) 18. 10:59 AM - Re: Marine Stainless Steel Hardware (John Kuhfahl) 19. 11:01 AM - Re: external static port (airlion) 20. 11:10 AM - Re: Thomasville Ga Fly-in? (airlion) 21. 11:12 AM - Re: Idea about front cockpit side door (womenfly2) 22. 11:33 AM - Re: external static port (Ben Charvet) 23. 12:56 PM - Re: external static port (Dan Yocum) 24. 01:02 PM - Re: Idea about front cockpit side door (Bill Church) 25. 01:04 PM - Re: Re: external static port (Dan Yocum) 26. 01:12 PM - Re: external static port (Jack Phillips) 27. 01:17 PM - Re: Pietenpol Sky Scout 10718 (AircamperN11MS) 28. 01:34 PM - Re: external static port (Jack Phillips) 29. 01:38 PM - Re: Pietenpol Sky Scout 10718 (K5YAC) 30. 01:47 PM - Re: Pietenpol Sky Scout 10718 (AircamperN11MS) 31. 01:52 PM - Re: Pietenpol Sky Scout 10718 (K5YAC) 32. 01:57 PM - Re: Pietenpol Sky Scout 10718 (AircamperN11MS) 33. 02:20 PM - Re: external static port (Hans Van Der Voort) 34. 03:37 PM - Two Part Post- need help in SE Ohio looking at a fuselage (jarheadpilot82) 35. 03:46 PM - Re: Pietenpol Sky Scout 10718 (BYD) 36. 03:57 PM - Re: Two Part Post- need help in SE Ohio looking at a fuselage (BYD) 37. 05:15 PM - Re: Two Part Post- need help in SE Ohio looking at a fuselage (airlion) 38. 07:00 PM - Re: Two Part Post- need help in SE Ohio looking at a fuselage (Kip and Beth Gardner) 39. 07:09 PM - Re: Two Part Post- need help in SE Ohio looking at a fuselage (Terry Hand) 40. 07:23 PM - Re: external static port (BYD) 41. 08:01 PM - Re: Pietenpol Sky Scout 10718 (Baldeagle) 42. 08:16 PM - Re: Pietenpol Sky Scout 10718 (K5YAC) 43. 09:14 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Sky Scout 10718 (mark lee) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:25:12 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thrust test Oh no Gary don't you know automobile engines will never fly!- Quit now an d get a state of the art A-65 with mags and hand prop and all.- Coil igni tions will never work, the past 70 years were a fluke, mags are the way of the future, they put them on all the new car............wait a minuite it j ust might work, come to think about it, when was the last time I even saw a Mag on a tractor, even my 1954 AC wd-45 has a coil ignition and works fine !- Better get some engeneering done to be sure though.- Just Kidding Ga ry Keep up the good work, look forward to seeing your piet at Brodhead in a couple years. - Shad --- On Tue, 8/16/11, John Hofmann wrote: From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thrust test Fenetre de Breeze? do not archive John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email:-jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Aug 16, 2011, at 2:59 PM, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: Ha! What would I do without friends?! Curt is right. It was all he could do to hold back the screaming mass with heel brakes. Doing so demonstrated a weak point in a x-member midway behind the pilot seat...well, that's what such events are for. Nevertheless, I have decided to put some effort into re-pitching my prop. Gary ------Original Message------ From: Piet2112 Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thrust test Sent: Aug 16, 2011 11:54 AM Yesterday was the First Annual Nor-Cal Truck Pull. -With a record crowd, from as far as Texas and cheers from the horse stables, first time entrant, Gary Boothe's mighty Corvair powered AirCamper ran flawlessly. -With 260 lbs of thrust, it strained against -the ropes trying to tame it. -W ithout actually moving the truck, He was easily the winner! Upon post-run inspection, it was discovered, that Gary's pilot, Curt put hi s weight into the pull. -While holding the brakes to prevent the clip-winge d Piet from getting airborne, he pushed his dairy-air too hard into the back of the seat. Gary now has a Broke Back Piet. With some reinforcement, posting of pictures, detailed description and sketch-up drawings, he'll be ready for another run in less time that it takes Kevin to change a broken spoke. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349665#349665 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pastedgraphic_289.jpg Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my ---------- The ----> ------------&n========= ============== ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:03 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Industrial fish scale Weighing fish? With scales? What's it weigh without it's scales. Hmmmm....nakid fish! Didn't I see them on youtube once? Clif Workin on brakes. Do not archive. Which makes me wonder what an industrial fish might look like. Maybe something like this (which apperas to be be Corvair powered): > > BC > > do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail wheel assembly weight From: John Kuhfahl Kevin, Thanks on the two leafs. Can I see your bird someday? If you are ever back here, stop by. Sorry "bout the breakfast--it was cancelled due to "higher priority"--not my idea. John 210 365 0120 On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:40 PM, kevinpurtee wrote: > kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > > Hi John - I use two leaf springs to good effect. > > Another subject: came by san geronimo a few weekends ago for the eaa > breakfast. Not a soul to be found. Guess I should've called before making > the trip. > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349720#349720 > > -- John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), President, KUHLCOUPER LLC ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Marine Stainless Steel Hardware From: John Kuhfahl We are experimenting safely right? I am the one looking for Turnbuckles for Tail Bracing. Marine grade turnbuckles rated just like the AN type are available for half the cost. Anyone ever try them? Just thinking outside the box. John -- John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), President, KUHLCOUPER LLC ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:26 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Marine Stainless Steel Hardware You can get the aircraft grade from B&B for around $8 each, and I doubt you could buy a similar rated sailboat turnbuckle that cheap. Most boat items require swaged fittings too, to you'd have to add that cost to the total. Just my $.02 Ben On 8/17/2011 6:55 AM, John Kuhfahl wrote: > We are experimenting safely right? I am the one looking for > Turnbuckles for Tail Bracing. Marine grade turnbuckles rated just like > the AN type are available for half the cost. Anyone ever try them? > Just thinking outside the box. John > > -- > John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), > President, KUHLCOUPER LLC > * > > > * -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:57 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: You know it's a good Piet day when... You know its a good Piet day, when you see something in the air besides a bird that you can catch up with...... Ben \On 8/16/2011 5:03 PM, Gboothe5 wrote: > These guys landed between high voltage lines, about 200 yds apart, and right > next to a freeway on ramp! > > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: gboothe5@comcast.net [mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 1:56 PM > To: Gary Boothe > Subject: IMG-20110816-00089.jpg > > > Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR -- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Marine Stainless Steel Hardware From: John Kuhfahl Ben, Appreciate the quick response. Is that B&B in Kansas? They don't have any. Do you have a contact # ? Thanks, John On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Ben Charvet wrote: > You can get the aircraft grade from B&B for around $8 each, and I doubt > you could buy a similar rated sailboat turnbuckle that cheap. Most boat > items require swaged fittings too, to you'd have to add that cost to the > total. Just my $.02 > > Ben > > > On 8/17/2011 6:55 AM, John Kuhfahl wrote: > > We are experimenting safely right? I am the one looking for Turnbuckles for > Tail Bracing. Marine grade turnbuckles rated just like the AN type are > available for half the cost. Anyone ever try them? Just thinking outside > the box. John > > -- > John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), > President, KUHLCOUPER LLC > > * > > * > > > -- > Ben Charvet, PharmD > Staff Pharmacist > Parrish Medical center > > * > > * > > -- John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), President, KUHLCOUPER LLC ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:14 AM PST US From: Jeff Wilson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Marine Stainless Steel Hardware I have checked into those but the ones I found were Too large and heavy. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2011, at 5:55 AM, John Kuhfahl wrote: > We are experimenting safely right? I am the one looking for Turnbuckles fo r Tail Bracing. Marine grade turnbuckles rated just like the AN type are ava ilable for half the cost. Anyone ever try them? Just thinking outside the b ox. John > > -- > John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), > President, KUHLCOUPER LLC > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:14 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Pietenpol-List: external static port Hi all, I finally got my new static and pitot system hooked up and lo and behold it's not quite working as I expect it to. The static port just isn't working right - it's providing a source of ram air instead of static air. This is the system I'm using from ACS: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/unheatedptubes3.php Maybe the static port isn't parallel to the air flow - I'll try re-aligning it. But, in any case, is anyone else using an external static port, or is everyone just leaving the static ports open on the back of their instruments? Thanks, Dan ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:27 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Marine Stainless Steel Hardware From: John Kuhfahl Jeff, Thanks--let me re-check that--I thought I found some...John On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Jeff Wilson wrote: > I have checked into those but the ones I found were > Too large and heavy. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 17, 2011, at 5:55 AM, John Kuhfahl wrote: > > We are experimenting safely right? I am the one looking for Turnbuckles for > Tail Bracing. Marine grade turnbuckles rated just like the AN type are > available for half the cost. Anyone ever try them? Just thinking outside > the box. John > > -- > John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), > President, KUHLCOUPER LLC > > * > > * > > * > > * > > -- John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), President, KUHLCOUPER LLC ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: external static port From: "kevinpurtee" Dan - Tried both ways and the results were identical. Left it vented inside the instrument panel and the actual static port is filling a hole hooked to nothing. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349753#349753 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Idea about front cockpit side door From: "giacummo" Hello, I know this topic was discussed before; but I just want discuss an idea about it. I agree that cut a longeron is a bad solution/idea/etc, the fuselage look so clean with them.. but the big problem when cut one is the lost of compression and tension fuselage the longerons hold . The solutions I saw for this in the web was reinforce the side panels a lot whit others wood pieces, etc; but I ask, it is possible to restore the longeron integrity with a kind of join that we can put and take out easily? I thought in this draw I did, one side of the central piece (it could be square iron tube) attached to one end, and the other we can fixed with a couple of bolts. It will give us a little work open and close it, but I think the stiffnes of all the piece could be restored with something like this.... ;o) what do you think? any comments? regards -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349755#349755 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/longeron_175.jpg ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:12 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Marine Stainless Steel Hardware I don't think they have a website, but their phone number is 913-884-5930. They are usually at Oshkosh and Sun-N-Fun too. If he is out of stock it would be worth waiting for him to get them in. Get the part numbers from Aircraft Spruce before you give him a call. Ben On 8/17/2011 9:21 AM, John Kuhfahl wrote: > Ben, > Appreciate the quick response. Is that B&B in Kansas? They don't have > any. Do you have a contact # ? Thanks, John > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Ben Charvet > wrote: > > You can get the aircraft grade from B&B for around $8 each, and I > doubt you could buy a similar rated sailboat turnbuckle that > cheap. Most boat items require swaged fittings too, to you'd have > to add that cost to the total. Just my $.02 > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:03 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Marine Stainless Steel Hardware John here is their site http://www.bbaircraftsupplies.com/homepage you might also try eBay. Jack DSM _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Kuhfahl Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 8:21 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Marine Stainless Steel Hardware Ben, Appreciate the quick response. Is that B&B in Kansas? They don't have any. Do you have a contact # ? Thanks, John On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Ben Charvet wrote: You can get the aircraft grade from B&B for around $8 each, and I doubt you could buy a similar rated sailboat turnbuckle that cheap. Most boat items require swaged fittings too, to you'd have to add that cost to the total. Just my $.02 Ben On 8/17/2011 6:55 AM, John Kuhfahl wrote: We are experimenting safely right? I am the one looking for Turnbuckles for Tail Bracing. Marine grade turnbuckles rated just like the AN type are available for half the cost. Anyone ever try them? Just thinking outside the box. John -- John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), President, KUHLCOUPER LLC -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), President, KUHLCOUPER LLC ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:21 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Idea about front cockpit side door Looks like it would work, but by the time you got your passenger bolted in they would feel like an astronaut. One advantage of the lack of door is you can be more selective of your passengers. I've flown four 80 year olds in mine, and a few of them needed help getting in and out, but if you put a step on your landing gear legs, it can be done. Ben On 8/17/2011 12:19 PM, giacummo wrote: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349755#349755 > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:28 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: external static port I have a fitting with a small hole drilled in it screwed into the static port, and it works fine. Sometimes simpler is better. Ben On 8/17/2011 11:53 AM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > Hi all, > > I finally got my new static and pitot system hooked up and lo and > behold it's not quite working as I expect it to. The static port just > isn't working right - it's providing a source of ram air instead of > static air. This is the system I'm using from ACS: > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/unheatedptubes3.php > > Maybe the static port isn't parallel to the air flow - I'll try > re-aligning it. > > But, in any case, is anyone else using an external static port, or is > everyone just leaving the static ports open on the back of their > instruments? > > Thanks, > Dan > > -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:52 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thomasville Ga Fly-in? Anybody ever been the the Thomasville Fly-in in October? Looks like a great two leg flight for me, and the wife has even offered to come along. It would be a great prelude for a trip to Brodhead, since its in the same direction. http://www.thomasvilleflyin.com/ -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Marine Stainless Steel Hardware From: John Kuhfahl Ben, Thanks--I contacted them--they are looking. John On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Ben Charvet wrote: > I don't think they have a website, but their phone number is 913-884-5930. > They are usually at Oshkosh and Sun-N-Fun too. If he is out of stock it > would be worth waiting for him to get them in. Get the part numbers from > Aircraft Spruce before you give him a call. > > Ben > > On 8/17/2011 9:21 AM, John Kuhfahl wrote: > > Ben, > Appreciate the quick response. Is that B&B in Kansas? They don't have > any. Do you have a contact # ? Thanks, John > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Ben Charvet wrote: > >> You can get the aircraft grade from B&B for around $8 each, and I doubt >> you could buy a similar rated sailboat turnbuckle that cheap. Most boat >> items require swaged fittings too, to you'd have to add that cost to the >> total. Just my $.02 >> >> * > > > = > * > > -- John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), President, KUHLCOUPER LLC ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:03 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: external static port Are you sure that you plugged the tubes in to the right holes? I had the same problem and lo and behold I had them backward. And I never make mistakes. Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: Dan Yocum Sent: Wed, August 17, 2011 11:53:21 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: external static port Hi all, I finally got my new static and pitot system hooked up and lo and behold it's not quite working as I expect it to. The static port just isn't working right - it's providing a source of ram air instead of static air. This is the system I'm using from ACS: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/unheatedptubes3.php Maybe the static port isn't parallel to the air flow - I'll try re-aligning it. But, in any case, is anyone else using an external static port, or is everyone just leaving the static ports open on the back of their instruments? Thanks, Dan ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:27 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thomasville Ga Fly-in? /Thomasville fly in is a great place to g. Good toilet and shower facilities, good food, and good people. I have been 3 times and plan on being there in October . Look for me in my Cessna 140. Gardiner Mason ----- Original Message ---- From: Ben Charvet Sent: Wed, August 17, 2011 1:34:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thomasville Ga Fly-in? Anybody ever been the the Thomasville Fly-in in October? Looks like a great two leg flight for me, and the wife has even offered to come along. It would be a great prelude for a trip to Brodhead, since its in the same direction. http://www.thomasvilleflyin.com/ -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:35 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door From: "womenfly2" You need to calculate the transitional loads through the frame structure, one section will effect the rest. If you do not do the math, I would not do it. Failure in the air is not an option. -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349773#349773 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:05 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: external static port Gardiner, Its good to see you haven't lost your sense of humor! Ben n 8/17/2011 1:58 PM, airlion wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: airlion > > Are you sure that you plugged the tubes in to the right holes? I had the same > problem and lo and behold I had them backward. And I never make mistakes. > Gardiner > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Dan Yocum > To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" > Sent: Wed, August 17, 2011 11:53:21 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: external static port > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum > > Hi all, > > I finally got my new static and pitot system hooked up and lo and behold it's > not quite working as I expect it to. The static port just isn't working right - > it's providing a source of ram air instead of static air. This is the system > I'm using from ACS: > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/unheatedptubes3.php > > Maybe the static port isn't parallel to the air flow - I'll try re-aligning it. > > But, in any case, is anyone else using an external static port, or is everyone > just leaving the static ports open on the back of their instruments? > > Thanks, > Dan > > -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:58 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: external static port On 08/17/2011 12:58 PM, airlion wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: airlion > > Are you sure that you plugged the tubes in to the right holes? I had the same > problem and lo and behold I had them backward. And I never make mistakes. > Gardiner Yep, that's one thing I'm sure of. The ASI *is* registering, but it's registering much lower than I expected, and the VSI was showing a constant 2000fpm dive state even when I was climbing. Unhooking the tube to the static source behind the instrument panel brought things back into line, but still pretty far off - just like it was with the old pitot system. I was hoping that the original problem I was trying to solve was leaky plumbing, but now it looks like the ASI is broken: indicated 50mph on the ASI is really about 60mph. 65mph is about 85mph. I can use it with these numbers since I know the offset, but I'd rather have it be accurate. I still need to finish my Johnson ASI that the EAA published plans for in Sport Aviation. Gerry Holland in the UK has his static port near the tail (thanks for the pict, Gerry). This is the same arrangement that a few glass gliders that I know of, but I was under the impression that this can't be done on a power AC because of the induced airspeed from the prop. Anyway, back to the drawing board. Thanks! Dan ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:02:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door From: "Bill Church" Mario, There are no dimensions given in your sketch, so it's really impossible to give a definitive, true answer, but in general, I'd say that this is not a feasible design. First off, it looks as though there are a number of bolts located very close to the ends of the wood pieces. That is not a good design practice, as the bolts will just pull through the wood. Secondly, very short fittings as you have drawn, would result in concentrated stresses on the wood at the fittings. And thirdly, the practicality of such an arrangement, where a door must be secured with bolts that need to be removed to get in to the seat, then reinstalled, and tightened properly before flight, then repeated again after flight, is much too cumbersome to be considered an advantage. The likelihood of the bolts not being secured properly EVERY time is extremely high. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349780#349780 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:51 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: external static port Axel, When you had the static port outside, what kind did you have and where was it placed/arranged? It's just odd to me that this one is generating ram pressure. Thanks, Dan On 08/17/2011 11:06 AM, kevinpurtee wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "kevinpurtee" > > Dan - Tried both ways and the results were identical. Left it vented inside the instrument panel and the actual static port is filling a hole hooked to nothing. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:55 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: external static port Dan, I'm using a static port. Don't know if it's any real benefit from just leaving the ports open on the back of the instruments. Maybe I should try opening them up - I might get more airspeed and get to Brodhead in 10 hours instead of 12 :-) Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 11:53 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: external static port Hi all, I finally got my new static and pitot system hooked up and lo and behold it's not quite working as I expect it to. The static port just isn't working right - it's providing a source of ram air instead of static air. This is the system I'm using from ACS: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/unheatedptubes3.php Maybe the static port isn't parallel to the air flow - I'll try re-aligning it. But, in any case, is anyone else using an external static port, or is everyone just leaving the static ports open on the back of their instruments? Thanks, Dan ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:17:54 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Sky Scout 10718 From: "AircamperN11MS" Alright guys, I've been trying to find that plane for some time now. It is one of the two scouts that Bernie built. One of them had the model A (it's in Australia now) and this one had the Model T in it. The story I get is that a neighbor challenged Bernie to to fly the Model T engine. This is the plane he did it with. Chris rebuilt the plane using everything he could from the original airframe. I think he saved about 20 percent of wood and built the rest new. Chris also lightened up the engine as much as he could buy replacing as many bolts as he could with aluminum ones and putting on an aluminum head. He also replaced the big heavy wheels with the ones you see. When Chris died the engine was at his house in Reseda CA and the plane was at El mirage dry lake bed in the high desert in CA. Therefor the engine and plane got separated. Both disappeared until now. Back in 1996 when I was at Brodhead, Gar Williams let me fly his Scout which was the A powered one that Bernie built. About two months later when I flew out to the lake bed to see Chris he asked me if I would like to fly his scout. I jumped at the chance. It was very tail heavy and the lake bed is about 2500 feet above sea level. It was a short flight (about 10 minutes) and it didn't climb to good with only20 HP. Anyway it's in my log book. Gar's airplane was like flying a sports car. I'd like to have Chris's plane if he ever wanted to sell it. Chris was a neat guy. He did have a hand with the batmobile and he was also an avid bike rider. He rode his bicycle across the USA several time that I know of. Anyway, thanks for the pics. Tell the guy he has a buyer for it should he want to sell it. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349787#349787 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:07 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: external static port Ports are near the tail on either side of the fuselage on many Cessnas and on all RV's Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 3:53 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: external static port On 08/17/2011 12:58 PM, airlion wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: airlion > > Are you sure that you plugged the tubes in to the right holes? I had the same > problem and lo and behold I had them backward. And I never make mistakes. > Gardiner Yep, that's one thing I'm sure of. The ASI *is* registering, but it's registering much lower than I expected, and the VSI was showing a constant 2000fpm dive state even when I was climbing. Unhooking the tube to the static source behind the instrument panel brought things back into line, but still pretty far off - just like it was with the old pitot system. I was hoping that the original problem I was trying to solve was leaky plumbing, but now it looks like the ASI is broken: indicated 50mph on the ASI is really about 60mph. 65mph is about 85mph. I can use it with these numbers since I know the offset, but I'd rather have it be accurate. I still need to finish my Johnson ASI that the EAA published plans for in Sport Aviation. Gerry Holland in the UK has his static port near the tail (thanks for the pict, Gerry). This is the same arrangement that a few glass gliders that I know of, but I was under the impression that this can't be done on a power AC because of the induced airspeed from the prop. Anyway, back to the drawing board. Thanks! Dan ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Sky Scout 10718 From: "K5YAC" Neat story Scott... I'll print this thread and pass it along to Fred the next time I see him. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349790#349790 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Sky Scout 10718 From: "AircamperN11MS" Thanks, After going back and looking at the photos again I must admit that I am wrong on those wheels. It had balloon tires on it when I flew it. Someone has changed them since Chris died. It looks solid enough to rebuild again. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349793#349793 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:47 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Sky Scout 10718 From: "K5YAC" According to the model T forums, this is a photo taken after Chris restored 10718. Here is a link to the thread where I found this photo. http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/118802/155754.html?1282697798 -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349795#349795 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Sky Scout 10718 From: "AircamperN11MS" I think that is at Brodhead. He towed it there and assembled it for display. Not sure if anyone flew it when it was there. I guess he did have those wheels on it. I must be getting old. Memories, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349797#349797 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:00 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: external static port From: Hans Van Der Voort Dan, That is the same one I am using. Mine is mounted under the wing inboard of the LH wing strut attachment, out side the prop blast I have never notice a abnormal change when slipping the plane (not aligned with the airflow). Only have Altimeter and ASI connected. Did you check if the pitot is not leaking in to the static port. The design is fairly crude and some of the welding could have created a pin hole. Hans NX15KV -----Original Message----- From: Dan Yocum Sent: Wed, Aug 17, 2011 10:56 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: external static port Hi all, I finally got my new static and pitot system hooked up and lo and behold it's not quite working as I expect it to. The static port just isn't working right - it's providing a source of ram air instead of static air. This is the system I'm using from ACS: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/unheatedptubes3.php Maybe the static port isn't parallel to the air flow - I'll try re-aligning it. But, in any case, is anyone else using an external static port, or is everyone just leaving the static ports open on the back of their instruments? Thanks, Dan ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:37:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Two Part Post- need help in SE Ohio looking at a fuselage From: "jarheadpilot82" To the forum- I have found a welded steel tube fuselage on Barnstormers. http://barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=578491 He has sent me pictures which I can upload if anyone is interested. The seller says he is a welder by profession and TIG welded it about 5 years ago and stopped at that point. he is building something with an enclosed cockpit as he decided it was too cold up there to fly the Piet year round. Here are my questions- 1. What are the pluses and minuses of the steel tube fuse? 2. I just do not know value, but $1000 dollars seems like a good price. Your thoughts? 3. I am a little nervous sending a Grand to someone I do not know for something sight unseen. Are there any forum members that are in the SE Ohio area that might be able to go take a look for me? I would be happy to reimburse for a tank of 100LL if someone s looking to do something other than a $100 hamburger. The fuse is in Washington WV, about 35 miles east of Athens OH. If you want to email me off-forum you can at jarheadpilot82 (at) hotmail (dot) com. Thanks in advance for your advice and help. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349805#349805 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Sky Scout 10718 From: "BYD" Here's a picture of the Grand PooBah and his flying machine after restoration. I miss that character! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349806#349806 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/chris_873.jpg ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Two Part Post- need help in SE Ohio looking at a fuselage From: "BYD" Pro About 35 pounds lighter than wood. Con Prints are drawn for wood i.e. mounting things gets to be an exercise. You cant just glue a reinforcing block and screw to it however, adding tabs for things like seat-belts are easy if you can weld. Note Check pictures for lots of tabs (for mounting seats etc). Hopefully, hes dosed the inside of the tubes with linseed oil to prevent internal rusting. Obtain metal fuselage supplemental drawing (if you dont have one) and compare truss layout. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349807#349807 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:59 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Two Part Post- need help in SE Ohio looking at a fuselage Terry, you should call Barry Davis of the Carrollton EAA for questions on steel tube. They built 6 0f em. His phone is 770 301 8087 after 10 AM. Cheers, Gardiner Mason ----- Original Message ---- From: jarheadpilot82 Sent: Wed, August 17, 2011 6:34:31 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Two Part Post- need help in SE Ohio looking at a fuselage To the forum- I have found a welded steel tube fuselage on Barnstormers. http://barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=578491 He has sent me pictures which I can upload if anyone is interested. The seller says he is a welder by profession and TIG welded it about 5 years ago and stopped at that point. he is building something with an enclosed cockpit as he decided it was too cold up there to fly the Piet year round. Here are my questions- 1. What are the pluses and minuses of the steel tube fuse? 2. I just do not know value, but $1000 dollars seems like a good price. Your thoughts? 3. I am a little nervous sending a Grand to someone I do not know for something sight unseen. Are there any forum members that are in the SE Ohio area that might be able to go take a look for me? I would be happy to reimburse for a tank of 100LL if someone s looking to do something other than a $100 hamburger. The fuse is in Washington WV, about 35 miles east of Athens OH. If you want to email me off-forum you can at jarheadpilot82 (at) hotmail (dot) com. Thanks in advance for your advice and help. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349805#349805 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:39 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Two Part Post- need help in SE Ohio looking at a fuselage Hi Terry, This is about a 2-1/2 hr. drive south of me. My only concern is that I'm no judge of welding quality, especially the ins & outs of what's good aircraft practice. $1000 sounds like a decent price - fuse only? Kip Gardner On Aug 17, 2011, at 6:34 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > > > > To the forum- > > I have found a welded steel tube fuselage on Barnstormers. > > http://barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=578491 > > He has sent me pictures which I can upload if anyone is interested. > The seller says he is a welder by profession and TIG welded it about > 5 years ago and stopped at that point. he is building something with > an enclosed cockpit as he decided it was too cold up there to fly > the Piet year round. > > Here are my questions- > > 1. What are the pluses and minuses of the steel tube fuse? > 2. I just do not know value, but $1000 dollars seems like a good > price. Your thoughts? > 3. I am a little nervous sending a Grand to someone I do not know > for something sight unseen. Are there any forum members that are in > the SE Ohio area that might be able to go take a look for me? I > would be happy to reimburse for a tank of 100LL if someone s looking > to do something other than a $100 hamburger. The fuse is in > Washington WV, about 35 miles east of Athens OH. > > If you want to email me off-forum you can at jarheadpilot82 (at) > hotmail (dot) com. > Thanks in advance for your advice and help. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349805#349805 > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:15 PM PST US From: Terry Hand Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Two Part Post- need help in SE Ohio looking at a fuselage Fuse, tailwheel, gear struts, and control column. Almost too good to be true. I will send you pictures. Semper Fidelis, Terry Hand Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2011, at 20:58, Kip and Beth Gardner wrote: > > Hi Terry, > > This is about a 2-1/2 hr. drive south of me. My only concern is that I'm no judge of welding quality, especially the ins & outs of what's good aircraft practice. $1000 sounds like a decent price - fuse only? > > Kip Gardner > > On Aug 17, 2011, at 6:34 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > >> >> To the forum- >> >> I have found a welded steel tube fuselage on Barnstormers. >> >> http://barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=578491 >> >> He has sent me pictures which I can upload if anyone is interested. The seller says he is a welder by profession and TIG welded it about 5 years ago and stopped at that point. he is building something with an enclosed cockpit as he decided it was too cold up there to fly the Piet year round. >> >> Here are my questions- >> >> 1. What are the pluses and minuses of the steel tube fuse? >> 2. I just do not know value, but $1000 dollars seems like a good price. Your thoughts? >> 3. I am a little nervous sending a Grand to someone I do not know for something sight unseen. Are there any forum members that are in the SE Ohio area that might be able to go take a look for me? I would be happy to reimburse for a tank of 100LL if someone s looking to do something other than a $100 hamburger. The fuse is in Washington WV, about 35 miles east of Athens OH. >> >> If you want to email me off-forum you can at jarheadpilot82 (at) hotmail (dot) com. >> Thanks in advance for your advice and help. >> >> -------- >> Semper Fi, >> >> Terry Hand >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349805#349805 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: external static port From: "BYD" I'm planning one (static port) on each side of the combing (opposite sides of fuselage from each other) joined together to cancel each other out. A T in the middle then goes to the instruments. We'll see. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349827#349827 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:38 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Sky Scout 10718 From: "Baldeagle" As is stated in the Facebook link, the Scout has already been donated to the Model T Ford Museum in Centerville, IN. - Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349829#349829 ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Sky Scout 10718 From: "K5YAC" Baldeagle wrote: > As is stated in the Facebook link, the Scout has already been donated to the Model T Ford Museum in Centerville, IN. > > > > > - That's what Fred told me... I may ask just to make sure that I heard him right. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349831#349831 ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:46 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Sky Scout 10718 From: mark lee If it's there,this could get good! Just rub it in a bit on a T doesn't have enough power and pour a bit of salt in the wound. Some of those T guys are still building racers and hill climbers.That crude 25hp engine can be pushed up over 145hp using mainly reproduction racing parts.But how on a scout the crank was supported is a bit of a mystery to me. In a factory engine the oil pan supports the transmissions rear bearing which holds the crank in alignment. That made the oil pan the most difficult part of the T to manufacture. The scout probably never got a fair shake with the T engine in the old days.But now 90hp at desirable prop RPM is probably not just a wild dream.Check it out guys it might be lots of fun. I had great support and met a great bunch of other owners.Over 15.000.000 engines were built. Model T Ford club of America http://www.mtfca.com Do not archive ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Baldeagle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Sky Scout 10718 > As is stated in the Facebook link, the Scout has already been donated to the Model T Ford Museum in Centerville, IN. - Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349829#349829 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.