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1. 07:32 AM - Re: external static port (Dan Yocum)
2. 07:42 AM - Re: external static port (Dan Yocum)
3. 08:50 AM - Re: Two Part Post- need help in SE Ohio looking at a fuselage (skipgadd@earthlink.net)
4. 09:11 AM - Re: Idea about front cockpit side door (giacummo)
5. 09:19 AM - Re: Idea about front cockpit side door (womenfly2)
6. 09:40 AM - Re: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door (Doug Dever)
7. 09:53 AM - Re: Idea about front cockpit side door (Bill Church)
8. 10:48 AM - Re: Two Part Post- need help in SE Ohio looking at a fuselage (Bill Church)
9. 12:13 PM - Different thot about door (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM)
10. 03:54 PM - update (airlion)
11. 04:04 PM - Re: update (Billy McCaskill)
12. 04:07 PM - Re: update (gboothe5@comcast.net)
13. 04:17 PM - Re: update (Jack Phillips)
14. 04:24 PM - Re: update (Dan Yocum)
15. 05:33 PM - Green's Airplane Building suggestions (Pieti Lowell)
16. 05:38 PM - Re: Different thot about door (IT Girl)
17. 05:40 PM - Re: Thomasville Ga Fly-in? (Gene Rambo)
18. 05:41 PM - Re: Any Piets/Piet Builders in the St Augusting, FL area? (IT Girl)
19. 06:02 PM - Re: Re: Any Piets/Piet Builders in the St Augusting, FL area? (airlion)
20. 06:50 PM - Re: Thomasville Ga Fly-in? (Jerry Dotson)
21. 07:48 PM - Re: Re: Thomasville Ga Fly-in? (Gene Rambo)
22. 09:14 PM - Re: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door (Jim Boyer)
23. 10:11 PM - external static port (Oscar Zuniga)
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| Subject: | Re: external static port |
Hi Hans,
On 08/17/2011 04:17 PM, Hans Van Der Voort wrote:
> Did you check if the pitot is not leaking in to the static port.
> The design is fairly crude and some of the welding could have created a
> pin hole.
Oh, I didn't even think of that. That would certainly account for the
ram pressure on the static side, and the low airspeed on the pitot.
I'll check it for leaks next time I'm at the airport.
Thanks!
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: external static port |
On 08/17/2011 03:09 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
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> Dan,
>
> I'm using a static port. Don't know if it's any real benefit from just
> leaving the ports open on the back of the instruments. Maybe I should try
> opening them up - I might get more airspeed and get to Brodhead in 10 hours
> instead of 12 :-)
Heck, you should just disconnect everything - you'll get there in 30
minutes flat!
do not archive
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| Subject: | Two Part Post- need help in SE Ohio looking at a fuselage |
Terry,
Actually that fuze is located at Hales Landing WV(2WV3). Mike has another
residence in Washington WV. I took the golf cart down to Mikes hangar and
looked at the fuze just now. Mike is a great welder, all welds appear
professional. All tabs that he could think of are on except the elevator
bell crank, the plans don't show tabs. He has not injected tube oil. The
fuze is made to plans, correct tube size and all except he used 4130 in
place of mild steel. The steel tube Pietenpol plans are for the 13' 5",
Flying and glider size fuselage.
Mike is my neighbor, that being said I think anybody who looked at this
fuze would think it is a great deal as I do. You could not buy the steel
and argon to build this for the price, and you would have to be a really
good welder.
Feel free to email me on or off list.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/17/2011 6:39:30 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Two Part Post- need help in SE Ohio looking at a
fuselage
>
<jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> To the forum-
>
> I have found a welded steel tube fuselage on Barnstormers.
> He has sent me pictures which I can upload if anyone is interested. The
seller says he is a welder by profession and TIG welded it about 5 years
ago and stopped at that point. he is building something with an enclosed
cockpit as he decided it was too cold up there to fly the Piet year round.
>
> Here are my questions-
>
> 1. What are the pluses and minuses of the steel tube fuse?
> 2. I just do not know value, but $1000 dollars seems like a good price.
Your thoughts?
> 3. I am a little nervous sending a Grand to someone I do not know for
something sight unseen. Are there any forum members that are in the SE Ohio
area that might be able to go take a look for me? I would be happy to
reimburse for a tank of 100LL if someone s looking to do something other
than a $100 hamburger. The fuse is in Washington WV, about 35 miles east of
Athens OH.
>
> If you want to email me off-forum you can at jarheadpilot82 (at) hotmail
(dot) com.
> Thanks in advance for your advice and help.
>
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> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
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| Subject: | Re: Idea about front cockpit side door |
Bill,
I agree with you, open and closing with bolts it's an uncomfortable idea, but I
think (I did't see any statistic about) that the major time the piets fly with
just the pilot.. about dimenssions, of course, it just an idea, not a design.
I do not messure anything yet, i am going to do it.. so from yours three points
I am going to see 2, the lenght of the fitting, and how to fix the square tube
to the wood without damage to much de longeron.
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Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Re: Idea about front cockpit side door |
giacummo ... what you are doing here is a very unsafe and uncalculated engineered
design.
... but what do I know.
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| Subject: | Re: Idea about front cockpit side door |
If you want a door=2C why not just use Kerri Ann's plans. Proven design.
Just my .02
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door
> From: mario.giacummo@gmail.com
> Date: Thu=2C 18 Aug 2011 09:09:21 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> Bill=2C
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> I agree with you=2C open and closing with bolts it's an uncomfortable ide
a=2C but I think (I did't see any statistic about) that the major time the
piets fly with just the pilot.. about dimenssions=2C of course=2C it just a
n idea=2C not a design.
> I do not messure anything yet=2C i am going to do it.. so from yours thre
e points I am going to see 2=2C the lenght of the fitting=2C and how to fix
the square tube to the wood without damage to much de longeron.
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> http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Re: Idea about front cockpit side door |
Mario,
I think you'll find that the fittings would need to be so long that there would
not be a large enough opening to make access to the front seat any easier.
Really, the best way to incorporate a front door in an Air Camper is by building
a steel tube fuselage. The welded steel joints are much more able to properly
transfer the structural loads. Putting a passenger door in a wooden fuselage
requires a significant amount of extra wood (extra wood = extra weight, and extra
weight means that your passenger carrying capacity is lessened).
I have spoken with a Pietenpol builder who eventually also became the owner of
an Air Camper with a door, and found the Piet with the passenger door to be no
easier to get into than the standard Piet (no door). It has something to do with
the position that one must be in to enter the front cockpit, and having the
door did nothing to make it easier. That's what he told me.
In any case - be careful with any modifications.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Two Part Post- need help in SE Ohio looking at a fuselage |
I'd say that $1000 for a well built steel tube fuselage, built with 4130, complete
with landing gear and control stick assembly is a deal. Subtract the cost
of materials and divide the remainder by the number of hours of work, and you
have one very poorly paid welder.
On another note... Just curious, but how is this a "Two Part Post", as referred
to in the topic title? Where's Part two?
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Different thot about door |
I saw a photo of a barnstorming Biplane that carried two or three in the front
seat. Open cockpit. But about where the "normal" Piet door was they had the opening,
but no door. Just open.
What would that do to drag? It would be lighter.
Just a lurker
Steve "Be home soon" D
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Hey ya'll. Just to let you know what is going on. I AM rebuilding my Piet.
Thanks to Tim Willis for tail feather parts and Jack Phillips for wing rib
parts, the rebuild is making progress. Also, thanks to Ryan Mueller for ordering
the rib package. My fuse is back on the gear after all the welding repairs and
fixing damage to the tail cone. Also I had to rebuild the leading edge of the
center section. Jack was able to build 9 ribs untill his accident on his hand.
I
drove up to Va . to pick up the rest of the rib project and now I have 19 ribs
done. I had originally bought the last rib set from C Rubeck, and now I can
really appreciate how much work goes into building a Piet. I am planning on
taking the corvair to Barnwell S C to put a 5th bearing in while I have the
plane torn apart. Now that would give me more incentive to get flying again. I
am flying in my cessna 140 to Triple Tree Aerodrome in South Carolina Sept 8 for
their Fly in. Will anyone else be there, I am sorry about putting so many I's
in this report. Cheers, Gardiner
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Nothing wrong with using that many "I's" when you are talking about making progress
on your rebuild! Keep it up, and keep us posted. Glad that you are still
flying in the 140 while you are getting the Piet back together.
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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Gardiner,
Feel free to use as many 'I's as you want! You know you have the good wishes and
God Speeds of many friends!
Gary
------Original Message------
From: airlion
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: update
Sent: Aug 18, 2011 3:52 PM
Hey ya'll. Just to let you know what is going on. I AM rebuilding my Piet.
Thanks to Tim Willis for tail feather parts and Jack Phillips for wing rib
parts, the rebuild is making progress. Also, thanks to Ryan Mueller for ordering
the rib package. My fuse is back on the gear after all the welding repairs and
fixing damage to the tail cone. Also I had to rebuild the leading edge of the
center section. Jack was able to build 9 ribs untill his accident on his hand.
I
drove up to Va . to pick up the rest of the rib project and now I have 19 ribs
done. I had originally bought the last rib set from C Rubeck, and now I can
really appreciate how much work goes into building a Piet. I am planning on
taking the corvair to Barnwell S C to put a 5th bearing in while I have the
plane torn apart. Now that would give me more incentive to get flying again. I
am flying in my cessna 140 to Triple Tree Aerodrome in South Carolina Sept 8 for
their Fly in. Will anyone else be there, I am sorry about putting so many I's
in this report. Cheers, Gardiner
Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
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Great to hear, Gardiner. Karen and I really enjoyed your visit to our home
- sorry that my hand injury prevented me from building all your ribs, but I
think you're enjying building them yourself now.
I'll try to get down to Triple Tree if I can, even if it's just in the RV-4.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virigina
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 6:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: update
Hey ya'll. Just to let you know what is going on. I AM rebuilding my Piet.
Thanks to Tim Willis for tail feather parts and Jack Phillips for wing rib
parts, the rebuild is making progress. Also, thanks to Ryan Mueller for
ordering
the rib package. My fuse is back on the gear after all the welding repairs
and
fixing damage to the tail cone. Also I had to rebuild the leading edge of
the
center section. Jack was able to build 9 ribs untill his accident on his
hand. I
drove up to Va . to pick up the rest of the rib project and now I have 19
ribs
done. I had originally bought the last rib set from C Rubeck, and now I can
really appreciate how much work goes into building a Piet. I am planning on
taking the corvair to Barnwell S C to put a 5th bearing in while I have the
plane torn apart. Now that would give me more incentive to get flying again.
I
am flying in my cessna 140 to Triple Tree Aerodrome in South Carolina Sept 8
for
their Fly in. Will anyone else be there, I am sorry about putting so many
I's
in this report. Cheers, Gardiner
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I think the "ayes" have it!
Glad to hear about the excellent progress!
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137@gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Aug 18, 2011, at 6:15 PM, "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Great to hear, Gardiner. Karen and I really enjoyed your visit to our home
> - sorry that my hand injury prevented me from building all your ribs, but I
> think you're enjying building them yourself now.
>
> I'll try to get down to Triple Tree if I can, even if it's just in the RV-4.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virigina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 6:52 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: update
>
>
> Hey ya'll. Just to let you know what is going on. I AM rebuilding my Piet.
> Thanks to Tim Willis for tail feather parts and Jack Phillips for wing rib
> parts, the rebuild is making progress. Also, thanks to Ryan Mueller for
> ordering
> the rib package. My fuse is back on the gear after all the welding repairs
> and
> fixing damage to the tail cone. Also I had to rebuild the leading edge of
> the
> center section. Jack was able to build 9 ribs untill his accident on his
> hand. I
> drove up to Va . to pick up the rest of the rib project and now I have 19
> ribs
> done. I had originally bought the last rib set from C Rubeck, and now I can
> really appreciate how much work goes into building a Piet. I am planning on
> taking the corvair to Barnwell S C to put a 5th bearing in while I have the
>
> plane torn apart. Now that would give me more incentive to get flying again.
> I
> am flying in my cessna 140 to Triple Tree Aerodrome in South Carolina Sept 8
> for
> their Fly in. Will anyone else be there, I am sorry about putting so many
> I's
> in this report. Cheers, Gardiner
>
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| Subject: | Green's Airplane Building suggestions |
Check out some excellent points on aircraft construction,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HioV-vQvqio
Pieti Lowell
Don't Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Different thot about door |
Not sure about all of that Steve, but come on over when you get home, and we'll
give you a ride.... If you can find you way back to G'town. It won't be like
riding in your Bonanza... it'll be better. We will even buy lunch.
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Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Thomasville Ga Fly-in? |
I am from Thomasville. It used to be THE antique airplane fly-in in the co
untry (in the 1970s)=2C much like Brodhead has taken over. It has grown ov
er the past years into a large fly-in once again. I would like to get home
for it=2C but I definitely would advocate anyone else going!!!! I will pr
ovide any necessary introductions.
Gene Rambo
> Date: Wed=2C 17 Aug 2011 13:34:20 -0400
> From: bencharvet@gmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thomasville Ga Fly-in?
>
>
> Anybody ever been the the Thomasville Fly-in in October? Looks like a
> great two leg flight for me=2C and the wife has even offered to come
> along. It would be a great prelude for a trip to Brodhead=2C since its in
> the same direction.
>
> http://www.thomasvilleflyin.com/
>
> --
> Ben Charvet=2C PharmD
> Staff Pharmacist
> Parrish Medical center
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| Subject: | Re: Any Piets/Piet Builders in the St Augusting, FL area? |
don't you ever stay home :)
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Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Any Piets/Piet Builders in the St Augusting, FL |
area?
Shelly, Look up Pat Green in Jacksonville area. He keeps his Piet at the
Hilliard Fl airport. He built it about 30 years ago with a corvair engine. Don't
know his phone as I lost it. He isvery interesting to talk to especially why he
added 10 inches to the verticle fin. Cheers, Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: IT Girl <shlizbth@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, August 18, 2011 8:39:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Any Piets/Piet Builders in the St Augusting, FL
area?
don't you ever stay home :)
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Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Thomasville Ga Fly-in? |
Gene,
Did you or do you know Jim Dekle? I knew him once upon a time. I think Thomasville
1973 was the last time I saw him. He is a fine gentleman. The whole Dekle
clan is good folks. He had a Cessna Airmaster in the rebuild stages. I never
knew if he finished it or not. Ben and Gardiner are going this year so I am going
to make a real effort to go even if I have to drive(sigh).
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: Thomasville Ga Fly-in? |
I was at Jim's house a few weeks ago. The Airmaster was nothis=2C it belon
ged to Roy Wicker. I used to fly it many years ago. I think that airplane
is in England now. I had my own Airmaster=2C and I brought it to the first
Pietenpol Fly In I ever attended in 1997 or so.
Gene
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thomasville Ga Fly-in?
> From: jdotson@centurylink.net
> Date: Thu=2C 18 Aug 2011 18:48:08 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> Gene=2C
> Did you or do you know Jim Dekle? I knew him once upon a time. I think Th
omasville 1973 was the last time I saw him. He is a fine gentleman. The who
le Dekle clan is good folks. He had a Cessna Airmaster in the rebuild stage
s. I never knew if he finished it or not. Ben and Gardiner are going this y
ear so I am going to make a real effort to go even if I have to drive(sigh)
.
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> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker=2C FL 32531
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> Started building NX510JD July=2C 2009
> wing=2C tailfeathers done=2C fuselage rolling
> using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: Idea about front cockpit side door |
Hi Bill,
Your comments about not being easier to get into a Piet with the cockpit do
or (Keri Ann's) disign is not correct. I have a door in my Piet and it is m
uch easier to get into.=C2- My wife would not be able to get into a Piet
without it as she has two artificial hip joints and one knee joint. She can
get into my Piet and Charlie Miller's Piet with no problem.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | external static port |
Dan asked-
>is anyone else using an external static port, or is
>everyone just leaving the static ports open on the back of
>their instruments?
On 41CC, Corky installed a full pitot-static system as well as
a venturi for the gyro instruments. The pitot tube is on the
starboard side, mounted to the jury strut, down a ways from the
wing so as to be out of the effects of the wing.
The static ports are on each side of the fuselage aft of the
pilot's seat, pretty much where the elevator walking beam station
is located... if memory serves. Plastic tubing connects everything
to the instruments.
I think the ASI on 41CC is quite responsive and accurate, but I
have not experimented with it with the fuselage static ports
disconnected and just sensing "cabin" static pressure. I have
never noticed any area of reverse sensing or ram effect, even in
a sideslip.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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