---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/20/11: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:40 AM - Re: Re: Different thot about door (Clif Dawson) 2. 12:53 AM - Re: Re: Different thot about door (Gerry Holland) 3. 03:14 AM - Fw: Hotel Key Cards-FYI (Charles Campbell) 4. 06:34 AM - Hotel Key Cards (Charles Campbell) 5. 06:49 AM - Re: Hotel Key Cards (Gboothe5) 6. 07:11 AM - Re: External static ports (Pieti Lowell) 7. 08:39 AM - Re: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door (Dan Yocum) 8. 09:20 AM - Re: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door (Gary Boothe) 9. 09:38 AM - Re: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door (Dan Yocum) 10. 09:58 AM - Re: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door (Gboothe5) 11. 10:36 AM - Re: Two Part Post- need help in SE Ohio looking at a fuselage (jarheadpilot82) 12. 12:37 PM - Re: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door (Dan Yocum) 13. 04:25 PM - airspeed indicator (Oscar Zuniga) 14. 06:13 PM - Sign Off (TriScout) 15. 06:21 PM - Re: Sign Off (Dan Yocum) 16. 07:13 PM - Re: Idea about front cockpit side door (giacummo) 17. 07:25 PM - Re: Sign Off (Billy McCaskill) 18. 07:48 PM - Re: Sign Off (kevinpurtee) 19. 08:14 PM - Re: Sign Off (kevinpurtee) 20. 08:23 PM - Re: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door (Ryan Mueller) 21. 08:27 PM - Re: Sign Off (Ryan Mueller) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:11 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Different thot about door And a hatch in the center section for those extra tall folks? With a ladder bolted to the wing for easier access up there. Climb up the ladder onto the wing then climb down through the hatch to the front seat. :-) Clif do not archive > > Just to stir it up a bit, think about deleting the front controls and add > a > hatch in the front cockpit floor...maybe even a swing down ladder for > midgets... > Jack > DSM > Do not archive! ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:10 AM PST US From: Gerry Holland Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Different thot about door Gentlemen! Methinks that you might be stretching the point of access too far but.... in this politically correct world we have allowed to have happen in past few years it could become reality! Risk assessment paperwork will need filling in very soon. Regards Gerry do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:14:38 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Hotel Key Cards-FYI Good information for anyone who travels! Do it every time -- it only takes once to mess you up! Wow, I didn't know this! Begin forwarded message: Always take a small fridge magnet on your Holiday, they come in handy at the end of it. Thought you all needed to know this This is pretty good info. Never even thought About key cards containing anything other Than an access code for the room! HOTEL KEY CARDS Ever wonder what is on your magnetic key Card? Answer: A. Customer's name B. Customer's partial home address C. Hotel room number D. Check-in date and out dates E. Customer's credit card number and expiration date! When you turn them in to the front desk your Personal information is there for any employee To access by simply scanning the card in the Hotel scanner. An employee can take a hand full Of cards home and using a scanning device, access The information onto a laptop computer and go Shopping at your expense. Simply put, hotels do not erase the information On these cards until an employee reissues the Card to the next hotel guest. At that time, the New guest's information is electronically 'over- Written on the card and the previous guest's Information is erased in the overwriting process. But until the card is rewritten for the next guest, It usually is kept in a drawer at the front desk With YOUR INFORMATION ON IT! The bottom line is: Keep the cards, take them Home with you, or destroy them. NEVER leave them Behind in the room or room wastebasket, and NEVER turn them into the front desk when you Check out of a room. They will not charge you for the card (it's illegal) and you'll be sure you are not leaving A lot of valuable personal information on it that could Be easily lifted off with any simple scanning device Card reader. For the same reason, if you arrive at the airport and Discover you still have the card key in your pocket, Do not toss it in an airport trash basket. Take it home And destroy it by cutting it up, especially through the Electronic information strip! If you have a small magnet, Pass it across the magnetic Strip several times. Then try it in the door, it will not Work. It erases everything on the card. Information courtesy of: Metropolitan Police Service. PLEASE FORWARD to family & friends ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:48 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hotel Key Cards This morning I forwarded an E-mail that said motel key cards held some personal information that could be misused. Later I discovered that Snopes denies that this is true. Snopes sometimes is wrong. I'll let you be the judge as to the veracity of the information. Sorry if this has caused some ill will. Chuck ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:05 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Hotel Key Cards Charles, No apology should be necessary.err on the side of caution..don't trust Snopes..and..LOCK YOUR FRIGGIN' DOOR WHEN YOUR INSIDE!! Just to make this Piet-related.a hotel robbery cost me at least 2 months worth of progress on my project. Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 6:32 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hotel Key Cards This morning I forwarded an E-mail that said motel key cards held some personal information that could be misused. Later I discovered that Snopes denies that this is true. Snopes sometimes is wrong. I'll let you be the judge as to the veracity of the information. Sorry if this has caused some ill will. Chuck ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: External static ports From: "Pieti Lowell" I test the accuracy of my airspeed instrument by using a similar Pitot tube in a car speed check at all speeds, when there is no wind and a two direction run. 3 feet away from the car will be close to perfect.And mark stall, cruise & not to exceed, for face references. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350056#350056 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:10 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door Well gents, I'm quickly progressing through the Five Stages of Grief, and yes I actually did lose sleep last night. I'm supremely annoyed about the prospect of having to take the plane apart and not having something to fly for the rest of the season. But, you guys are smart with a whole lot more experience than I have, so I'm inclined to take your advice to heart, put my emotions on the shelf, dive in, and git 'er done. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and time and patience with me. The two things that reduce my concern is that a) the majority of the stretching force is applied to the front struts and b) the flying wires keep everything in alignment which further reduces the stretching forces on the rear lift struts. But, that's just me trying to justify not doing the work because I just don't have the time. Sincerely, Dan On 08/19/2011 04:59 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > Dan, I guess I've never noticed it before, but don't EVER step on a > strut with a fork at the lower > end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It doesn't matter if it has > flown 5000 hours like that, the next one could be your last. I would > suggest having that fork magnafluxed immediately and cut that step off! > You have no idea how many people have died in Cubs when the fork let go!!!! > > Gene > > > Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:28:55 -0500 > > From: yocum@fnal.gov > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door > > > > > > Here's a picture of the foot step on N8031. I cringe whenever anyone > > steps on it, but the plane's been flying for 500+ hours so it must be > > pretty good. > > > > > https://picasaweb.google.com/100843558075002483077/N8031#5596569232677724546 > > > > Dan > > > > On 08/19/2011 11:41 AM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: > > > Perry, > > > Got a picture of that ? Always worth a look for a good idea! > > > John > > > In a message dated 8/19/2011 12:32:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > > prhoads61@frontiernet.net writes: > > > > > > With all this talk of doors, I wanted to mention how my Piet was > > > built by Ed Sampson. He welded a small,simple piece of tube onto the > > > left rear gear leg facing to the front. It makes getting into the > > > front a complete non issue. I've taken a 70 year old that weighed > > > 210lbs for a ride, and he had no trouble getting in the front. I've > > > gotten in the front myself, very easily and I'm a 6'2" blob at 235lbs. > > > If you have split, Cub like gear legs, there's an easier way than > doors. > > > Perry Rhoads > > > N12939 > > > do not archive > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > *From:* AMsafetyC@aol.com > > > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > > > > *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2011 10:24 AM > > > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Idea about front cockpit side > > > door > > > > > > Mario, > > > At one point I was all set to install the front pit door, had it > > > roughed in and supported with a design that made sense and > > > transferred the loads both down and around the proposed opening, > > > not doing the math or analysis planned as a next step. Before > > > fully committing to the door I stopped and I decided against it, > > > for the following reasons: > > > There are 4 longerons that pretty much support the length of the > > > airframe, cutting one and reducing that strength by 25% made no > > > sense, and to tell you the truth frightened me to a point that I > > > would have no piece of mind wondering if the other longerons > > > were able to support the load and flexing moments placed on > > > them. Just too scary for me to want to fly with > > > Making that major structural change for an occasional passenger > > > that may be too large to fit or may weigh too much to fit didn't > > > make sense either. plenty of smaller people that want to ride > > > and require no doors or reasonable accommodations, ADA compliant > > > The occasional large passenger vs a permanent structural change > > > that may weaken the airframe, I plan to fly it all the time and > > > take passengers on occasion, why make that sacrifice of strong > > > airframe integrity for the occasional passenger. Makes no sense > > > here either > > > There are plenty small, light weight and flexible folks that can > > > and do fit easily into the front pit, why change the airframe to > > > accommodate the unfitting few? repeat of the point > > > I just can seem to justify cutting a major structural component, > > > compromising the integrity of the airframe to accommodate the > > > once or twice rider. makes no sense > > > here either > > > I am a full size person, a builder and a damn good pilot, I > > > don't ask for nor do I expect to be offered a ride, my size and > > > weight preclude that. I understand it, I accept it and I make no > > > excuses for it. That's the way it is and I make no bones about > > > it. Weight and balance, flying over gross are just two of the > > > important aspects of consideration in aviation. Why mess with > > > something that needs not be compromised ? > > > I am certain any rider you plan to take in your Piet will > > > greatly appreciate the ride over the fence on take off rather > > > that going through it on an attempted takeoff. > > > Compromises in safety are not compromises at all but the > > > commitment of poor judgments and dumb acts made by foolish > > > people. And the opinion of the writer bearing no value to anyone > > > determined to kill themselves or others though poor decision making. > > > John > > > Safe in the morning > > > In a message dated 8/19/2011 10:40:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight > > > Time, mario.giacummo@gmail.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not want to discuss about benefits or not of the door, > > > just the idea and if it could be possible to do it or not; > > > if no, why, and if yes.. I am intersted in this because is a > > > fact that it is not easy to go into the front for a lot of > > > people for many reasons, so, lets think in something for > > > them... an "open design" of the door, this one or an other > > > one... > > > > > > So, continuing with this exercise I try to figure how it > > > look in place. > > > the measures are what they are, measures, without any > > > engineering on it, may be they could be larger or shorter, > > > thiker or thiner walls, or a bad solution at all; lets > > > search for a proof of concept. > > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > -------- > > > Mario Giacummo > > > http://vgmk1.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349955#349955 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/puerta2_192.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > * > > > > > > * > > > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > > s.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com > > > > p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > * > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > > > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > -- > > Dan Yocum > > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > > >======================= > > > > > > > > * > > > * > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:09 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door Dan, Would a 'loaner' strut help you? There must be someone that could help? Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 8:36 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door Well gents, I'm quickly progressing through the Five Stages of Grief, and yes I actually did lose sleep last night. I'm supremely annoyed about the prospect of having to take the plane apart and not having something to fly for the rest of the season. But, you guys are smart with a whole lot more experience than I have, so I'm inclined to take your advice to heart, put my emotions on the shelf, dive in, and git 'er done. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and time and patience with me. The two things that reduce my concern is that a) the majority of the stretching force is applied to the front struts and b) the flying wires keep everything in alignment which further reduces the stretching forces on the rear lift struts. But, that's just me trying to justify not doing the work because I just don't have the time. Sincerely, Dan On 08/19/2011 04:59 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > Dan, I guess I've never noticed it before, but don't EVER step on a > strut with a fork at the lower > end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It doesn't matter if it > has flown 5000 hours like that, the next one could be your last. I > would suggest having that fork magnafluxed immediately and cut that step off! > You have no idea how many people have died in Cubs when the fork let go!!!! > > Gene > > > Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:28:55 -0500 > From: yocum@fnal.gov > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: > Idea about front cockpit side door > > --> Pietenpol-List message > posted by: Dan Yocum > > Here's a picture of the > foot step on N8031. I cringe whenever anyone > steps on it, but the > plane's been flying for 500+ hours so it must be > pretty good. > > > > > https://picasaweb.google.com/100843558075002483077/N8031#5596569232677 > 724546 > > > > Dan > > > > On 08/19/2011 11:41 AM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: > > > Perry, > > > Got a picture of that ? Always worth a look for a good idea! > > > John > > > In a message dated 8/19/2011 12:32:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > > prhoads61@frontiernet.net writes: > > > > > > With all this talk of doors, I wanted to mention how my Piet was > > > built by Ed Sampson. He welded a small,simple piece of tube onto > the > > left rear gear leg facing to the front. It makes getting into > the > > front a complete non issue. I've taken a 70 year old that > weighed > > 210lbs for a ride, and he had no trouble getting in the > front. I've > > gotten in the front myself, very easily and I'm a 6'2" blob at 235lbs. > > > If you have split, Cub like gear legs, there's an easier way than > doors. > > > Perry Rhoads > > > N12939 > > > do not archive > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > *From:* AMsafetyC@aol.com > > *To:* > pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > > > > *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2011 10:24 AM > > *Subject:* Re: > Pietenpol-List: Re: Idea about front cockpit side > > door > > > > > Mario, > > At one point I was all set to install the front pit door, > had it > > roughed in and supported with a design that made sense and > > > transferred the loads both down and around the proposed opening, > > > not doing the math or analysis planned as a next step. Before > > > fully committing to the door I stopped and I decided against it, > > > for the following reasons: > > > There are 4 longerons that pretty much support the length of the > > > airframe, cutting one and reducing that strength by 25% made no > > > sense, and to tell you the truth frightened me to a point that I > > > would have no piece of mind wondering if the other longerons > > > were able to support the load and flexing moments placed on > > them. > Just too scary for me to want to fly with > > Making that major > structural change for an occasional passenger > > that may be too > large to fit or may weigh too much to fit didn't > > make sense > either. plenty of smaller people that want to ride > > and require no > doors or reasonable accommodations, ADA compliant > > The occasional > large passenger vs a permanent structural change > > that may weaken > the airframe, I plan to fly it all the time and > > take passengers > on occasion, why make that sacrifice of strong > > airframe integrity > for the occasional passenger. Makes no sense > > here either > > > There are plenty small, light weight and flexible folks that can > > > and do fit easily into the front pit, why change the airframe to > > > accommodate the unfitting few? repeat of the point > > I just can > seem to justify cutting a major structural component, > > > compromising the integrity of the airframe to accommodate the > > > once or twice rider. makes no sense > > here either > > I am a full > size person, a builder and a damn good pilot, I > > don't ask for nor > do I expect to be offered a ride, my size and > > weight preclude > that. I understand it, I accept it and I make no > > excuses for it. > That's the way it is and I make no bones about > > it. Weight and > balance, flying over gross are just two of the > > important aspects > of consideration in aviation. Why mess with > > something that needs > not be compromised ? > > > I am certain any rider you plan to take in your Piet will > > > greatly appreciate the ride over the fence on take off rather > > > that going through it on an attempted takeoff. > > > Compromises in safety are not compromises at all but the > > > commitment of poor judgments and dumb acts made by foolish > > > people. And the opinion of the writer bearing no value to anyone > > > determined to kill themselves or others though poor decision making. > > > John > > > Safe in the morning > > > In a message dated 8/19/2011 10:40:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight > > > Time, mario.giacummo@gmail.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not want to discuss about benefits or not of the door, > > > just the idea and if it could be possible to do it or not; > > if no, > why, and if yes.. I am intersted in this because is a > > fact that > it is not easy to go into the front for a lot of > > people for many > reasons, so, lets think in something for > > them... an "open design" > of the door, this one or an other > > one... > > > > > > So, continuing with this exercise I try to figure how it > > > look in place. > > > the measures are what they are, measures, without any > > > engineering on it, may be they could be larger or shorter, > > thiker > or thiner walls, or a bad solution at all; lets > > search for a > proof of concept. > > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > -------- > > > Mario Giacummo > > > http://vgmk1.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349955#349955 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/puerta2_192.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.ma > tronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ > c > > > * > > > > > > * > > > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.ma > tronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > > s.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com > > > > p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribut > ion > > > > > > * > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > > > For more information please visit > http://www.messagelabs.com/email > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > -- > > Dan Yocum > > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it > releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > > >======================= > > > > > > > > * > > > * > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:38:05 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door Hey Gary, I'm sure every Pietenpol strut is a snowflake, so I'm out of luck there. In any case, it's just the fork that I need to be worried about, and the more I think about it, the easier this job is going to be. I don't think I need to loosen the flying wires. Here's my plan: - prop up the wing with suitable support - ladder and blocks, etc. - unbolt the fork from the fuselage attach point and slide the fork off - unscrew the fork and take it to an auto shop or my A&P/IA to have it magnafluxed. - replace or not. Dan On 08/20/2011 11:12 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" > > Dan, > > Would a 'loaner' strut help you? There must be someone that could help? > > Gary > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 8:36 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum > > Well gents, I'm quickly progressing through the Five Stages of Grief, and > yes I actually did lose sleep last night. > > I'm supremely annoyed about the prospect of having to take the plane apart > and not having something to fly for the rest of the season. But, you guys > are smart with a whole lot more experience than I have, so I'm inclined to > take your advice to heart, put my emotions on the shelf, dive in, and git > 'er done. > > Thank you for sharing your knowledge and time and patience with me. > > The two things that reduce my concern is that a) the majority of the > stretching force is applied to the front struts and b) the flying wires keep > everything in alignment which further reduces the stretching forces on the > rear lift struts. > > But, that's just me trying to justify not doing the work because I just > don't have the time. > > Sincerely, > Dan > > > On 08/19/2011 04:59 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: >> Dan, I guess I've never noticed it before, but don't EVER step on a >> strut with a fork at the lower >> end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It doesn't matter if it >> has flown 5000 hours like that, the next one could be your last. I >> would suggest having that fork magnafluxed immediately and cut that step > off! >> You have no idea how many people have died in Cubs when the fork let > go!!!! >> >> Gene >> >> > Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:28:55 -0500> From: yocum@fnal.gov> >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: >> Idea about front cockpit side door> > --> Pietenpol-List message >> posted by: Dan Yocum > > Here's a picture of the >> foot step on N8031. I cringe whenever anyone> steps on it, but the >> plane's been flying for 500+ hours so it must be> pretty good. >> > >> > >> https://picasaweb.google.com/100843558075002483077/N8031#5596569232677 >> 724546 >> > >> > Dan >> > >> > On 08/19/2011 11:41 AM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: >> > > Perry, >> > > Got a picture of that ? Always worth a look for a good idea! >> > > John >> > > In a message dated 8/19/2011 12:32:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>>> prhoads61@frontiernet.net writes: >> > > >> > > With all this talk of doors, I wanted to mention how my Piet was >>>> built by Ed Sampson. He welded a small,simple piece of tube onto >> the> > left rear gear leg facing to the front. It makes getting into >> the> > front a complete non issue. I've taken a 70 year old that >> weighed> > 210lbs for a ride, and he had no trouble getting in the >> front. I've> > gotten in the front myself, very easily and I'm a 6'2" > blob at 235lbs. >> > > If you have split, Cub like gear legs, there's an easier way than >> doors. >> > > Perry Rhoads >> > > N12939 >> > > do not archive >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > *From:* AMsafetyC@aol.com > > *To:* >> pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > >> >> > > *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2011 10:24 AM> > *Subject:* Re: >> Pietenpol-List: Re: Idea about front cockpit side> > door> > > > >> Mario,> > At one point I was all set to install the front pit door, >> had it> > roughed in and supported with a design that made sense and >>>> transferred the loads both down and around the proposed opening, >>>> not doing the math or analysis planned as a next step. Before> > >> fully committing to the door I stopped and I decided against it,> > >> for the following reasons: >> > > There are 4 longerons that pretty much support the length of the >>>> airframe, cutting one and reducing that strength by 25% made no> >>> sense, and to tell you the truth frightened me to a point that I> >>> would have no piece of mind wondering if the other longerons> > >> were able to support the load and flexing moments placed on> > them. >> Just too scary for me to want to fly with> > Making that major >> structural change for an occasional passenger> > that may be too >> large to fit or may weigh too much to fit didn't> > make sense >> either. plenty of smaller people that want to ride> > and require no >> doors or reasonable accommodations, ADA compliant> > The occasional >> large passenger vs a permanent structural change> > that may weaken >> the airframe, I plan to fly it all the time and> > take passengers >> on occasion, why make that sacrifice of strong> > airframe integrity >> for the occasional passenger. Makes no sense> > here either> > >> There are plenty small, light weight and flexible folks that can> > >> and do fit easily into the front pit, why change the airframe to> > >> accommodate the unfitting few? repeat of the point> > I just can >> seem to justify cutting a major structural component,> > >> compromising the integrity of the airframe to accommodate the> > >> once or twice rider. makes no sense> > here either> > I am a full >> size person, a builder and a damn good pilot, I> > don't ask for nor >> do I expect to be offered a ride, my size and> > weight preclude >> that. I understand it, I accept it and I make no> > excuses for it. >> That's the way it is and I make no bones about> > it. Weight and >> balance, flying over gross are just two of the> > important aspects >> of consideration in aviation. Why mess with> > something that needs >> not be compromised ? >> > > I am certain any rider you plan to take in your Piet will> > >> greatly appreciate the ride over the fence on take off rather> > >> that going through it on an attempted takeoff. >> > > Compromises in safety are not compromises at all but the> > >> commitment of poor judgments and dumb acts made by foolish> > >> people. And the opinion of the writer bearing no value to anyone> > >> determined to kill themselves or others though poor decision making. >> > > John >> > > Safe in the morning >> > > In a message dated 8/19/2011 10:40:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight> > >> Time, mario.giacummo@gmail.com writes: >> > > >> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "giacummo" >> > > >> > > >> > > I do not want to discuss about benefits or not of the door,> > >> just the idea and if it could be possible to do it or not;> > if no, >> why, and if yes.. I am intersted in this because is a> > fact that >> it is not easy to go into the front for a lot of> > people for many >> reasons, so, lets think in something for> > them... an "open design" >> of the door, this one or an other> > one... >> > > >> > > So, continuing with this exercise I try to figure how it> > >> look in place. >> > > the measures are what they are, measures, without any> > >> engineering on it, may be they could be larger or shorter,> > thiker >> or thiner walls, or a bad solution at all; lets> > search for a >> proof of concept. >> > > >> > > >> > > Regards. >> > > >> > > -------- >> > > Mario Giacummo >> > > http://vgmk1.blogspot.com >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Read this topic online here: >> > > >> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349955#349955 >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Attachments: >> > > >> > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/puerta2_192.jpg >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > * >> > > >> > > >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.ma >> tronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> > > >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ >> c >> > > * >> > > >> > > * >> > > >> > > >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.ma >> tronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> > > s.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com >> > > >> p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribut >> ion >> > > >> > > * >> > > >> > > * >> > > >> > > >> > > * >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. >> > > For more information please visit >> http://www.messagelabs.com/email> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> > >> > -- >> > Dan Yocum >> > Fermilab 630.840.6509 >> > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov> "I fly because it >> releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." >> > >> >======================= >> > >> > >> > >> >> * >> >> >> * >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. >> For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email >> ______________________________________________________________________ > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind > from the tyranny of petty things." > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:09 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door Well...Hell, you could do that on your lunch break on Monday... Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 9:35 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door Hey Gary, I'm sure every Pietenpol strut is a snowflake, so I'm out of luck there. In any case, it's just the fork that I need to be worried about, and the more I think about it, the easier this job is going to be. I don't think I need to loosen the flying wires. Here's my plan: - prop up the wing with suitable support - ladder and blocks, etc. - unbolt the fork from the fuselage attach point and slide the fork off - unscrew the fork and take it to an auto shop or my A&P/IA to have it magnafluxed. - replace or not. Dan On 08/20/2011 11:12 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" > > Dan, > > Would a 'loaner' strut help you? There must be someone that could help? > > Gary > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 8:36 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum > > Well gents, I'm quickly progressing through the Five Stages of Grief, and > yes I actually did lose sleep last night. > > I'm supremely annoyed about the prospect of having to take the plane apart > and not having something to fly for the rest of the season. But, you guys > are smart with a whole lot more experience than I have, so I'm inclined to > take your advice to heart, put my emotions on the shelf, dive in, and git > 'er done. > > Thank you for sharing your knowledge and time and patience with me. > > The two things that reduce my concern is that a) the majority of the > stretching force is applied to the front struts and b) the flying wires keep > everything in alignment which further reduces the stretching forces on the > rear lift struts. > > But, that's just me trying to justify not doing the work because I just > don't have the time. > > Sincerely, > Dan > > > On 08/19/2011 04:59 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: >> Dan, I guess I've never noticed it before, but don't EVER step on a >> strut with a fork at the lower >> end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It doesn't matter if it >> has flown 5000 hours like that, the next one could be your last. I >> would suggest having that fork magnafluxed immediately and cut that step > off! >> You have no idea how many people have died in Cubs when the fork let > go!!!! >> >> Gene >> >> > Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:28:55 -0500> From: yocum@fnal.gov> >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: >> Idea about front cockpit side door> > --> Pietenpol-List message >> posted by: Dan Yocum > > Here's a picture of the >> foot step on N8031. I cringe whenever anyone> steps on it, but the >> plane's been flying for 500+ hours so it must be> pretty good. >> > >> > >> https://picasaweb.google.com/100843558075002483077/N8031#5596569232677 >> 724546 >> > >> > Dan >> > >> > On 08/19/2011 11:41 AM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: >> > > Perry, >> > > Got a picture of that ? Always worth a look for a good idea! >> > > John >> > > In a message dated 8/19/2011 12:32:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>>> prhoads61@frontiernet.net writes: >> > > >> > > With all this talk of doors, I wanted to mention how my Piet was >>>> built by Ed Sampson. He welded a small,simple piece of tube onto >> the> > left rear gear leg facing to the front. It makes getting into >> the> > front a complete non issue. I've taken a 70 year old that >> weighed> > 210lbs for a ride, and he had no trouble getting in the >> front. I've> > gotten in the front myself, very easily and I'm a 6'2" > blob at 235lbs. >> > > If you have split, Cub like gear legs, there's an easier way than >> doors. >> > > Perry Rhoads >> > > N12939 >> > > do not archive >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > *From:* AMsafetyC@aol.com > > *To:* >> pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > >> >> > > *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2011 10:24 AM> > *Subject:* Re: >> Pietenpol-List: Re: Idea about front cockpit side> > door> > > > >> Mario,> > At one point I was all set to install the front pit door, >> had it> > roughed in and supported with a design that made sense and >>>> transferred the loads both down and around the proposed opening, >>>> not doing the math or analysis planned as a next step. Before> > >> fully committing to the door I stopped and I decided against it,> > >> for the following reasons: >> > > There are 4 longerons that pretty much support the length of the >>>> airframe, cutting one and reducing that strength by 25% made no> >>> sense, and to tell you the truth frightened me to a point that I> >>> would have no piece of mind wondering if the other longerons> > >> were able to support the load and flexing moments placed on> > them. >> Just too scary for me to want to fly with> > Making that major >> structural change for an occasional passenger> > that may be too >> large to fit or may weigh too much to fit didn't> > make sense >> either. plenty of smaller people that want to ride> > and require no >> doors or reasonable accommodations, ADA compliant> > The occasional >> large passenger vs a permanent structural change> > that may weaken >> the airframe, I plan to fly it all the time and> > take passengers >> on occasion, why make that sacrifice of strong> > airframe integrity >> for the occasional passenger. Makes no sense> > here either> > >> There are plenty small, light weight and flexible folks that can> > >> and do fit easily into the front pit, why change the airframe to> > >> accommodate the unfitting few? repeat of the point> > I just can >> seem to justify cutting a major structural component,> > >> compromising the integrity of the airframe to accommodate the> > >> once or twice rider. makes no sense> > here either> > I am a full >> size person, a builder and a damn good pilot, I> > don't ask for nor >> do I expect to be offered a ride, my size and> > weight preclude >> that. I understand it, I accept it and I make no> > excuses for it. >> That's the way it is and I make no bones about> > it. Weight and >> balance, flying over gross are just two of the> > important aspects >> of consideration in aviation. Why mess with> > something that needs >> not be compromised ? >> > > I am certain any rider you plan to take in your Piet will> > >> greatly appreciate the ride over the fence on take off rather> > >> that going through it on an attempted takeoff. >> > > Compromises in safety are not compromises at all but the> > >> commitment of poor judgments and dumb acts made by foolish> > >> people. And the opinion of the writer bearing no value to anyone> > >> determined to kill themselves or others though poor decision making. >> > > John >> > > Safe in the morning >> > > In a message dated 8/19/2011 10:40:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight> > >> Time, mario.giacummo@gmail.com writes: >> > > >> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "giacummo" >> > > >> > > >> > > I do not want to discuss about benefits or not of the door,> > >> just the idea and if it could be possible to do it or not;> > if no, >> why, and if yes.. I am intersted in this because is a> > fact that >> it is not easy to go into the front for a lot of> > people for many >> reasons, so, lets think in something for> > them... an "open design" >> of the door, this one or an other> > one... >> > > >> > > So, continuing with this exercise I try to figure how it> > >> look in place. >> > > the measures are what they are, measures, without any> > >> engineering on it, may be they could be larger or shorter,> > thiker >> or thiner walls, or a bad solution at all; lets> > search for a >> proof of concept. >> > > >> > > >> > > Regards. >> > > >> > > -------- >> > > Mario Giacummo >> > > http://vgmk1.blogspot.com >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Read this topic online here: >> > > >> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349955#349955 >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Attachments: >> > > >> > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/puerta2_192.jpg >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > * >> > > >> > > >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.ma >> tronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> > > >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ >> c >> > > * >> > > >> > > * >> > > >> > > >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.ma >> tronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> > > s.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com >> > > >> p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribut >> ion >> > > >> > > * >> > > >> > > * >> > > >> > > >> > > * >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. >> > > For more information please visit >> http://www.messagelabs.com/email> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> > >> > -- >> > Dan Yocum >> > Fermilab 630.840.6509 >> > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov> "I fly because it >> releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." >> > >> >======================= >> > >> > >> > >> >> * >> >> >> * >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. >> For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email >> ______________________________________________________________________ > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind > from the tyranny of petty things." > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Two Part Post- need help in SE Ohio looking at a fuselage From: "jarheadpilot82" Bill, I probably should have entitled it a "2 Question Post", that really ended up being 3 questions- 1. Pluses and minuses. 2. Is the price good? 3. Can someone eyeball it for me? You and others answered 1 and 2, and Skip Gadd helped me with 3. I appreciate everyone's help and I will keep you posted. P.S. I think a significant part of my interest in the Piet is the camaraderie of the group and everyone's willingness to give of their time and knowledge. I hope that I am able to repay in kind at some point. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350071#350071 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:37:32 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door From: Dan Yocum On Aug 19, 2011, at 11:05 AM, "Charles Campbell" wrote: > I haven't learned (or taught myself) how to use the archives. I guess I'd better get hot and learn how. And, no, I haven't put on the plywood sides a s yet or put on any varnish. I am waiting to put in the controls, cables, s eats, etc so that it will be easier than having to lean over into the cockpi t(s) to do that. I have to build the left wing and varnish those before I g et restarted on the fuselage. Info on how to search the archives is, uh, in... Never mind. ;-) I use google to search the pietenpol archives. For instance, enter the follo wing into google: site:matronics.com pietenpol "ping pong balls" -yocum This will limit the search to the pietenpol list on the matronics site, find the exact phrase "ping pong balls" and not give any results that I may cont ain anything from yours truly. Have fun! Dan -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:31 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: airspeed indicator I don't look at my airspeed indicator a whole lot, but there are certain times that I look at it without fail. One is when taking off with a passenger aboard. Solo, I never worry about getting sufficient airspeed to lift off but with a pax, I always look at the ASI to make sure I have sufficient airspeed for rotation and climbout, and I check it another time or two while climbing out. With 65 or 75HP of power on the nose, it's important to manage climb airspeed when loaded. With a Corvair or anything like a C85-90 or O-200, not so much because there is more excess power. Another time I check airspeed without fail is when setting up on final. Most of the time I can fly the approach seat of the pants, but if you'll look through the archives you'll find comments from most of the high-time Piet pilots about the perfect airspeed to hold on final. They will all tell you that there is perhaps a 2-3MPH airspeed band between what you fly for a short field landing and a normal landing, and between a normal landing and a gusty wind landing. That is to say, you can bring the airplane down quite steeply if you fly it down the wire around 54-57 whereas a more normal approach is flown at maybe 57-60. When it's gusty, a bit more airspeed helps to reduce bobbing around and gives more positive control, so you may fly final in the 60s every now and then. In a strong and gusty headwind, I have even flown final almost at cruise airspeed. The point is, it isn't all that easy to feel the difference between 50 and 55 and when you get the airplane slow, it's going to come down quite rapidly. So you do need an ASI but it doesn't have to be extremely accurate... just consistent. The earlier comments about calibrating your ASI using the manometer method (Mark Langford's website) are very useful. Mark is just about the most careful and diligent builder I know, and he takes great pains to eliminate unknowns and inconsistencies from his airplane and systems. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford, OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:34 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sign Off From: "TriScout" Well folks.. I,ve tinkered all I can. I taxi tested and tweaked her. Brakes hold up to about 1600 r's.. which is the way I like them. Not a drop of oil in the cowl after run up. 684hrs TT airframe.. A65-8 (this planes 4th engine). Annual Conditional Inp..signed off today by DAR. It feels good.. very easy to taxi...as if I've been sitting in it 20yrs. But even w/17,000 hrs under my belt, it sure would give me a warm fuzzy to find someone to take her around the patch before I haul off in it. Any takers? This is not your simple ol' 747 that I'm used to, but rather, an intimidating GN-1. After the sign off, I sat in silence.. staring at it over a crappacino... Oh well.. heading overseas Monday for a few weeks.. (around the world in 80 delays). I'll stare at it some more starting mid-Sept... Ler Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350085#350085 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf4687_149.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf4683_758.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf4684_158.jpg ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:25 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sign Off Oh, just get in and go! -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Aug 20, 2011, at 8:11 PM, "TriScout" wrote: > > Well folks.. I,ve tinkered all I can. I taxi tested and tweaked her. Brakes hold up to about 1600 r's.. which is the way I like them. Not a drop of oil in the cowl after run up. 684hrs TT airframe.. A65-8 (this planes 4th engine). Annual Conditional Inp..signed off today by DAR. > > It feels good.. very easy to taxi...as if I've been sitting in it 20yrs. But even w/17,000 hrs under my belt, it sure would give me a warm fuzzy to find someone to take her around the patch before I haul off in it. Any takers? This is not your simple ol' 747 that I'm used to, but rather, an intimidating GN-1. After the sign off, I sat in silence.. staring at it over a crappacino... > > Oh well.. heading overseas Monday for a few weeks.. (around the world in 80 delays). I'll stare at it some more starting mid-Sept... > > Ler > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350085#350085 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf4687_149.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf4683_758.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf4684_158.jpg > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door From: "giacummo" Uhau!!! to much entries about everynote; but what about the idea?... this is the topic, isn't it? I read the same thing three or four time, "Kari-Ann"... I do not like this solution, it work because some of you did it, (even Kari), but I do not like it, and I do not see any mathematical or fisic proof of her solution, but I do not think is bad, simply I do not like it. I am a system engineer and from the beginin of my career I learned that for one problem are lots of solution (at least in my field), and is the same about everything, always are better solutions for anything, this is why we are where we are, if not, even we wold be on the trees. (may english is so so, may be the expression is not good write it). So, I am going to go forward whit this idea but I do not going to tell you WHY, because I have a reason for that, but the reason is not the topic, just the problem. I do not like cut a longeron as I said in the beginin, I don like KA solution, and I do not like any solution out of cut the longeron.... The only thing I want to do is restore the longeron fortres after cut it, in any way. Clear?.. ;0) [Wink] but by the moment I do not think in the problem, I am going to post somethin when I do it. Best regards to all. [Wink] -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350088#350088 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:25 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sign Off From: "Billy McCaskill" Congrats on the sign-off, TriScout! Let us know how she flies. Will we see this beauty at Brodhead next year? -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350089#350089 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sign Off From: "kevinpurtee" Where are you? Was it Dallas? If so, contact me offline and we can chat. kevin.purtee@us.army.mil or 512-422-6371. Kevin -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350090#350090 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sign Off From: "kevinpurtee" Larry... check you inbox for offline message do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350092#350092 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:48 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door From: Ryan Mueller You're not just cutting the longeron, you're cutting the plywood, and removing a large section of material out of what would normally carry the load paths in that area. Your idea, as you illustrated, is insufficient. You (or the rest of us) may not have the engineering data behind her solution....maybe she does, maybe not. What does stand behind it, compared to yours, is empirical data showing that it does work. If you wish to find another solution, or reinvent this particular wheel, go right ahead. At the moment your wheel is square.....I'm sure we all look forward to seeing how you round off the corners. Have a good evening, Ryan On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 9:10 PM, giacummo wrote: > > > > Uhau!!! to much entries about everynote; but what about the idea?... this > is the topic, isn't it? > > I read the same thing three or four time, "Kari-Ann"... I do not like this > solution, it work because some of you did it, (even Kari), but I do not like > it, and I do not see any mathematical or fisic proof of her solution, but I > do not think is bad, simply I do not like it. > I am a system engineer and from the beginin of my career I learned that for > one problem are lots of solution (at least in my field), and is the same > about everything, always are better solutions for anything, this is why we > are where we are, if not, even we wold be on the trees. (may english is so > so, may be the expression is not good write it). > > So, I am going to go forward whit this idea but I do not going to tell you > WHY, because I have a reason for that, but the reason is not the topic, just > the problem. I do not like cut a longeron as I said in the beginin, I don > like KA solution, and I do not like any solution out of cut the longeron.... > The only thing I want to do is restore the longeron fortres after cut it, in > any way. Clear?.. ;0) [Wink] but by the moment I do not think in the > problem, I am going to post somethin when I do it. > > Best regards to all. > > [Wink] > > -------- > Mario Giacummo > http://vgmk1.blogspot.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350088#350088 > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sign Off From: Ryan Mueller To be clear....you are looking for someone to check you out in the airplane.....not test fly it for you...right? do not archive On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > Oh, just get in and go! > > -- > Dan Yocum > yocum137@gmail.com > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > On Aug 20, 2011, at 8:11 PM, "TriScout" wrote: > > > > > Well folks.. I,ve tinkered all I can. I taxi tested and tweaked her. > Brakes hold up to about 1600 r's.. which is the way I like them. Not a drop > of oil in the cowl after run up. 684hrs TT airframe.. A65-8 (this planes 4th > engine). Annual Conditional Inp..signed off today by DAR. > > > > It feels good.. very easy to taxi...as if I've been sitting in it 20yrs. > But even w/17,000 hrs under my belt, it sure would give me a warm fuzzy to > find someone to take her around the patch before I haul off in it. Any > takers? This is not your simple ol' 747 that I'm used to, but rather, an > intimidating GN-1. After the sign off, I sat in silence.. staring at it over > a crappacino... > > > > Oh well.. heading overseas Monday for a few weeks.. (around the world in > 80 delays). I'll stare at it some more starting mid-Sept... > > > > Ler > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350085#350085 > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf4687_149.jpg > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf4683_758.jpg > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf4684_158.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.