---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/22/11: 40 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:09 AM - ANy Pietenpols in the Detroit area? (jarheadpilot82) 2. 04:28 AM - Re: Re: Sign Off (Jack) 3. 05:27 AM - Re: Idea about front cockpit side door (giacummo) 4. 05:28 AM - Re: Re: prop progress (Gboothe5) 5. 06:23 AM - Re: Sign Off (TOM STINEMETZE) 6. 06:45 AM - Re: Re: lycoming 0235 C1B experts (amsafetyc@aol.com) 7. 06:47 AM - Any one here (amsafetyc@aol.com) 8. 06:49 AM - Re: Re: questions from a new guy... (amsafetyc@aol.com) 9. 06:54 AM - Re: Idea about front cockpit side door (jarheadpilot82) 10. 07:02 AM - Re: Re: Sign Off (Charles Campbell) 11. 07:02 AM - Re: questions from a new guy... (jarheadpilot82) 12. 07:15 AM - Re: questions from a new guy... (dgaldrich) 13. 07:32 AM - Re: Hotel Key Cards (dgaldrich) 14. 08:10 AM - Fuselage pass through sealing (TOM STINEMETZE) 15. 08:45 AM - Re: Fuselage pass through sealing (Bill Church) 16. 08:48 AM - Re: Fuselage pass through sealing (Bill Church) 17. 08:59 AM - Re: Trial Wing Fit (caldwrl) 18. 09:06 AM - Re: Fuselage pass through sealing (TOM STINEMETZE) 19. 09:22 AM - Re: Re: Trial Wing Fit (gboothe5@comcast.net) 20. 10:18 AM - Re: Idea about front cockpit side door (giacummo) 21. 10:29 AM - Re: Sign Off (TriScout) 22. 11:03 AM - Re: Fuselage pass through sealing (kevinpurtee) 23. 11:13 AM - Re: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door (Doug Dever) 24. 11:24 AM - Re: Sign Off (TriScout) 25. 11:24 AM - Re: Fuselage pass through sealing (TOM STINEMETZE) 26. 12:01 PM - Re: prop progress (bender) 27. 12:50 PM - Re: questions from a new guy... (Billy McCaskill) 28. 12:59 PM - Re: Re: questions from a new guy... (Amsafetyc@aol.com) 29. 01:24 PM - Re: Re: prop progress (helspersew@aol.com) 30. 01:32 PM - Re: prop progress (bender) 31. 02:17 PM - Re: Fuselage pass through sealing (Bill Church) 32. 02:51 PM - Re: questions from a new guy... (Jerry Dotson) 33. 04:43 PM - Re: Re: questions from a new guy... (helspersew@aol.com) 34. 04:54 PM - Re: questions from a new guy... (echobravo4) 35. 04:59 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage pass through sealing (helspersew@aol.com) 36. 05:12 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage pass through sealing (Jack Phillips) 37. 05:34 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage pass through sealing (Jack) 38. 05:49 PM - Re: Re: questions from a new guy... (Amsafetyc@gmail.com) 39. 07:00 PM - Re: Re: questions from a new guy... (Dan Yocum) 40. 08:45 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage pass through sealing (shad bell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:09:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: ANy Pietenpols in the Detroit area? From: "jarheadpilot82" I will be on a layover in Detroit this next Wednesday afternoon through Thursday afternoon, and I wondered if there were any Piets in that area. If you are within a short drive of Detroit, I would like to meet you and take a look at your Piet, if your time would allow. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350173#350173 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:28:02 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sign Off Shelley the link is down, could you attach photos, thanks! Jack DSM Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of IT Girl Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sign Off Nice visit with Larry, very pretty ship! Here is a pic of the boys :) -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350160#350160 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2706_267.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2706_214.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door From: "giacummo" How different it look. -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350180#350180 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:21 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: prop progress Wish you could, too. It's going to be a 9-day marathon, as my wife will be on a quilting retreat for the whole week!! Gary Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: prop progress Gary from Cool - It was an opportunity to jack with you. How could I not? Wish I could visit and help you cover. Looks spectacular. Love, Axel do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350161#350161 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:38 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sign Off Ler: Awesome paint scheme, Captain dude! I considered the "hawk" scheme myself but thought a Piet could not pull it off since there were no wheel spats to put the claws on. Got to admit that it works on yours. Stinemetze N328X (SpaceShip0.1) >>> "TriScout" 8/20/2011 8:11 PM >>> Well folks.. I,ve tinkered all I can. I taxi tested and tweaked her. Brakes hold up to about 1600 r's.. which is the way I like them. Not a drop of oil in the cowl after run up. 684hrs TT airframe.. A65-8 (this planes 4th engine). Annual Conditional Inp..signed off today by DAR. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:50 AM PST US From: "amsafetyc@aol.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: lycoming 0235 C1B experts Crank was sent out for magnaflux so I believe sludge tubes were knocked out and cleaned during the process. I got aluminium push rods and 1 oil pump gear and one steel gear. So I am planning those replacments along with the rod bolts and nuts wrist pin plugs crank gear bolt and lock and the bearings and rings as consumables. And a full engine gasket and seal kit John Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Jerry Dotson Sent: Sat, Jul 2, 2011 20:37:16 GMT+00:00 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: lycoming 0235 C1B experts John, I just built an O-235 C2C which is very close to being exactly the same. There are some AD's that need to be tended to oil pump gears,push rod material, carb venturi and float material, maybe some more. I remember the pushrods and float being reading the AD's closely to determine if it applied. The oil pump is very clear in that it requires 2 hardened steel gears. My log book lied. It was written that the oil pump AD had been done and it had not. Make sure you knock the sludge tubes out of the crank and clean the krud out. If you are very careful you can reuse them as it is experimental. I bought an oak dowel the same OD as the sludge tube and sanded it to fit. Measure them to make sure they are still a press fit before you reuse them. If they are not removed and cleaned odds are very great you will have bearing problems as the oil distribution goes around the OD of those tubes. They make like a centrifuge when the engine is running. Some of the krud the filters miss is cap! tured within that cavity. That was not Lycoming's intent. They figured out how to make the crank without those things in later years. I can really find fault though as my crank was in great condition after 2050 hours. I found Dart Aircraft Parts in Waco, Tx the most reasonable. A guy named Steve was nice to deal with. Note I didn't say cheap. Piston rings were $110 per cylinder ! The big picture was intentional as I wanted you to see what collects in there. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344716#344716 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00295_155.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:51 AM PST US From: "amsafetyc@aol.com" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Any one here In Monterey mexico tonight? just arrived and finished dinner John Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:26 AM PST US From: "amsafetyc@aol.com" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: questions from a new guy... In our cultural and socio anthropological network we strive to both be a part of a culture and yet be individually distinguished and recognized. We mostly do that by appearence first then by persona. Animals do it by marking scent and color. So how do I make my Piet reflect me? Color design customizations and a variety of other methods dependant upon the builders creativity mechanical aptitude and skill level. If we were really interested in same same plans built we should all buy spam cans and be done with it Just my opinion Do not archive Less Yawanna Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Gboothe5 Sent: Mon, Jan 24, 2011 14:41:58 GMT+00:00 Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: questions from a new guy... Mike, I know Prunedale! ...and I think "tinkering" is the perfect word! Gary Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MPB Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 6:28 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: questions from a new guy... Its funny. You always hear that advise from experienced builders "stick to the plans". The RV crowd says it, boats designs, etc. Yet we can never seem to avoid "tinkering" with the design (I'll refrain from saying "improving"). I guess its part of what draws someone to building, but I appreciate the advise. Like so many discussions the airfoil one seems to have strong opinions on both sides that will warant some more research. Thanks again, Mike BTW- Gary asked where I am located and I noticed he is from Cool, CA. I live in Prunedale near Monterey Bay. I have family in Placerville. Small world... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328192#328192 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door From: "jarheadpilot82" Just one more option for a step. I saw this on a Grega, and I don't know if that is an acceptable option for a step, or it creates stress on the gear like a weld bar would. Not the look that I want, even if it is an acceptable option, but I thought I would post it anyway. Your thoughts? -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350196#350196 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/grega_step_132.png ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:21 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sign Off My computer couldn't find either pic. How about trying again! ----- Original Message ----- From: "IT Girl" Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sign Off > > Nice visit with Larry, very pretty ship! Here is a pic of the boys :) > > -------- > Shelley Tumino > IT Girl > wife of "Axel" > NX899KP > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350160#350160 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2706_267.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2706_214.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: questions from a new guy... From: "jarheadpilot82" 1. What is your favorite color? (A little touchy-feely, I know, but you certainly would not want to paint it your LEAST favorite color.) 2. Is there an airplane that you have seen before that you would like to make the Piet look similar to? There are tons of examples of Piets in Warbird colors, Piets painted like Golden Age airplanes that have been seen in museums, etc. 3. What do you think looks like you? Another touchy-feely question, but your car, motorcycle, boat, AND airplane are a reflection of you. Otherwise we would all drive black or white cars. Just a couple of thoughts. I already have my paint scheme designed, and I am just startin on the wing ribs. But I know what I want to the airplane to look like and what I want it to reflect of me. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350198#350198 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:59 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: questions from a new guy... From: "dgaldrich" Just paint it yellow and black like everybody else and be done with it. :D :D :D Dave do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350201#350201 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:27 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hotel Key Cards From: "dgaldrich" Other sources besides Snopes agree with the fact that hotel key cards are NOT a security issue. I spend a LOT of time in hotels of various flavors and NONE encode any personal information on the cards. Ran into one of the IT guys from Hyatt at the bar one night and asked him what safeguards they use. 1. The key card machine is a stand alone, dedicated, separate machine from the billing one in some properties. 2. The card writer they buy is capable of writing only one track of data. 3. On properties with any kind of integration, the software "firewalls" the personal information. 4. On some properties, personal data isn't even kept on site so the local computer data base doesn't have direct access to it. Dave do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350203#350203 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:20 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage pass through sealing Fellow aircraft nuts: There are a lot of places where cables or other devices must pass through the cloth covering on a Piet. Never before having covered anything I am curious how these pass throughs are dealt with, particularly if the objects passing through are flexible such as cables or rubber brake lines. Any photos would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Tom Stinemetze ____ | ____ \8/ o/ \o ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage pass through sealing From: "Bill Church" Tom, As is often the case, it's Tony Bingelis to the rescue (see attached article). I've gotta say that having access to the entire library of back issues of Sport Aviation, with "search" functions is practically worth the annual EAA membership fees. That only took about three minutes to find. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350216#350216 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/1989_05_13_146.pdf ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage pass through sealing From: "Bill Church" Tom, As is often the case, it's Tony Bingelis to the rescue (see attached article). I've gotta say that having access to the entire library of back issues of Sport Aviation, with "search" functions is practically worth the annual EAA membership fees. That only took about three minutes to find. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350219#350219 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/1989_05_13_146.pdf ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Trial Wing Fit From: "caldwrl" Hey Gary, Wow, looks great. By my estimate, you are about six months ahead of me. I am completing the left wing this week, adding the safety shaft to the Corvair crank, and prepping it for the college at Barnwell in the fall. The right wing mod comes next, then I can fit them just as you are doing now. Hopefully I will be covering by late winter or early spring. Robert (in hot-as -hell Holly Lake) -------- Robert Caldwell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350223#350223 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:48 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage pass through sealing Bill: Thanks for the article. I am less concerned about making devices to pass through a solid object like the firewall than I am passing through a cloth surface. Nevertheless, this will be a useful thing to have around. Tom >>> "Bill Church" 8/22/2011 10:43 AM >>> Tom, As is often the case, it's Tony Bingelis to the rescue (see attached article). I've gotta say that having access to the entire library of back issues of Sport Aviation, with "search" functions is practically worth the annual EAA membership fees. That only took about three minutes to find. Bill C. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Trial Wing Fit From: gboothe5@comcast.net Yeah, hot as Hell is right! We've been watching... You really are making progress, though, and I'm glad you are going to Barnwell... Gary ------Original Message------ From: Robert Caldwell Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Trial Wing Fit Sent: Aug 22, 2011 8:57 AM Hey Gary, Wow, looks great. By my estimate, you are about six months ahead of me. I am completing the left wing this week, adding the safety shaft to the Corvair crank, and prepping it for the college at Barnwell in the fall. The right wing mod comes next, then I can fit them just as you are doing now. Hopefully I will be covering by late winter or early spring. Robert (in hot-as -hell Holly Lake) -------- Robert Caldwell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350223#350223 Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:03 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door From: "giacummo" folowing with the joint point, may be this could be the solution, not number by the moment, but it looks better than simple bolts, and have the adventage that it could be possible to reduce the bolts diameter. -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350233#350233 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p2_161.png ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sign Off From: "TriScout" Thanks about the paint scheme Stinemetze.. I like it as well, but I cannot claim that idea. I bought the airframe a yr ago on Barnstormers. I just had to toss a motor and corkscrew upon it, then assemble it at the hangar for instant gratification. Even though that sounds simple, the ol' learning curve was literally climbing like a mountain goat from all the good advice shared ..as well as studying maintenance guides, etc.. After running into Kevin(and family), I'm beginning to see what you guys mean about the whole Piet/GN-1 community. It would be kinda neat to try the whole Brodhead thing next yr in it. Sadly, I'm already in CHS hauling off to Germany now.. Will be home for 2 wks starting Sept 12th. Will get it airborne then...whether it be Kevin, myself, etc.. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350235#350235 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:46 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage pass through sealing From: "kevinpurtee" Tom - You use a soldering iron to burn the hole in the fabric then you run the line or whatever through the hole. The hole is basically self-cauterizing. If you're worried about the aesthetics you can use a leather patch, a rubber grommet or even a hard plastic doo-dad to give a more finished look. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350238#350238 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:50 AM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door Why re invent the wheel.- Just buy Keri Ann's plans.- Proven design.- https://sites.google.com/site/pietenpolplanpackages/pietenpol-plan-package s=0A=0A=0AFrom: giacummo =0ATo: pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com=0ASent: Monday, August 22, 2011 1:15 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-Li st: Re: Idea about front cockpit side door=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "giacummo" =0A=0Afolowing with the joi nt point, may be this could be the solution, not number by the moment, but it looks better than simple bolts, and have the adventage that it could be possible to reduce the bolts diameter.=0A=0A--------=0AMario Giacummo=0Ahtt p://vgmk1.blogspot.com=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp ://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350233#350233=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAttac hments: =0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com//files/p2_161.png=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_ -======================== ============= ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sign Off From: "TriScout" attempted upload of Kevin taxiing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350241#350241 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:46 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage pass through sealing Thanks Kevin. That's what I needed. Tom >>> "kevinpurtee" 8/22/2011 1:00 PM >>> Tom - You use a soldering iron to burn the hole in the fabric then you run the line or whatever through the hole. The hole is basically self-cauteriz ing. If you're worried about the aesthetics you can use a leather patch, a rubber grommet or even a hard plastic doo-dad to give a more finished look. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: prop progress From: "bender" first coat of spar varnish really made it shine.. jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350245#350245 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/propvarn_639.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/hub_152.jpg ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:15 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: questions from a new guy... From: "Billy McCaskill" But doesn't Dan Helsper have the black and yellow scheme copyrighted and trademarked? Anyone else using this would be in violation! Note: I did not say subject to being violated, you are all on your own for that... ;) do not archive -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350250#350250 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 12:59:46 PM PST US From: "Amsafetyc@aol.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: questions from a new guy... Dan is the Black and yellow German John Do not archive Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Billy McCaskill Sent: Mon, Aug 22, 2011 19:50:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: questions from a new guy... ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: prop progress From: helspersew@aol.com Veeeery pretty. Did you burn those numbers in? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive -----Original Message----- From: bender Sent: Mon, Aug 22, 2011 2:02 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: prop progress > first coat of spar varnish really made it shine.. jeff ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350245#350245 ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/propvarn_639.jpg ttp://forums.matronics.com//files/hub_152.jpg -======================== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: prop progress From: "bender" Hey Dan... i used metal punches...you don't have to hit too hard all the props i've seen look like they were punched too easy to do jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350257#350257 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage pass through sealing From: "Bill Church" Doh! I didn't notice that you clearly asked about passing through the cloth covering. Sorry. I'll pay more attention next time. Bill C. do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350262#350262 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: questions from a new guy... From: "Jerry Dotson" John I have never been known for any expertise in decorating but if you want your Piet to be an expression of you I the you ought to consider the trim. I tried my best on this so take it for what it is. It is a FlyBaby cowl but with your talents I'm sure you could make it look much better than I did. please do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350263#350263 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a66_163.jpg ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:43:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: questions from a new guy... From: helspersew@aol.com Dave, Just for your information, it is black and yellow, not yellow and black. :O ).......but don't tell Rambo...............or little Will.................. .. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: dgaldrich Sent: Mon, Aug 22, 2011 9:16 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: questions from a new guy... > Just paint it yellow and black like everybody else and be done with it. : D :D D Dave do not archive ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350201#350201 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: questions from a new guy... From: "echobravo4" are you asking what color to paint your plane? :D with all the concern about "manufacturing" in your hanger do you think you can paint in there?! do not archive -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350268#350268 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:13 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage pass through sealing From: helspersew@aol.com Hi Tom, I never liked the glued-on leather patches that I saw at Brodhead (and othe r places). Inevitably the leather patch would start to peel off and curl up at the edges. Looked really ratty to me. So what I did is come up with a r eal innovative idea. I blatantly and unapologetically copied what I had see n someone else do. Glue a patch of leather on to the fabric, and then cover it with another patch of ceconite. Really works slick and will never look ratty. I think I copied this from Larry Williams?? Maybe?? Can't remember n ow. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN. -----Original Message----- From: TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Mon, Aug 22, 2011 1:25 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage pass through sealing Thanks Kevin. That's what I needed. Tom >>> "kevinpurtee" 8/22/2011 1:00 PM >>> Tom - You use a soldering iron to burn the hole in the fabric then you run the line or whatever through the hole. The hole is basically self-cauteriz ing. If you're worried about the aesthetics you can use a leather patch, a rubber grommet or even a hard plastic doo-dad to give a more finished look .. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:00 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage pass through sealing I did much the same thing, but used a piece of aluminum with a slot in it for the cable, then sandwiched it between the fabric and a pinked-edge fabric patch, as seen below: Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 7:57 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage pass through sealing Hi Tom, I never liked the glued-on leather patches that I saw at Brodhead (and other places). Inevitably the leather patch would start to peel off and curl up at the edges. Looked really ratty to me. So what I did is come up with a real innovative idea. I blatantly and unapologetically copied what I had seen someone else do. Glue a patch of leather on to the fabric, and then cover it with another patch of ceconite. Really works slick and will never look ratty. I think I copied this from Larry Williams?? Maybe?? Can't remember now. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN. -----Original Message----- From: TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Mon, Aug 22, 2011 1:25 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage pass through sealing Thanks Kevin. That's what I needed. Tom >>> "kevinpurtee" 8/22/2011 1:00 PM >>> Tom - You use a soldering iron to burn the hole in the fabric then you run the line or whatever through the hole. The hole is basically self-cauterizing. If you're worried about the aesthetics you can use a leather patch, a rubber grommet or even a hard plastic doo-dad to give a more finished look. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:18 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage pass through sealing I like both ideas, thanks! Jack DSM Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 7:09 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage pass through sealing I did much the same thing, but used a piece of aluminum with a slot in it for the cable, then sandwiched it between the fabric and a pinked-edge fabric patch, as seen below: Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 7:57 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage pass through sealing Hi Tom, I never liked the glued-on leather patches that I saw at Brodhead (and other places). Inevitably the leather patch would start to peel off and curl up at the edges. Looked really ratty to me. So what I did is come up with a real innovative idea. I blatantly and unapologetically copied what I had seen someone else do. Glue a patch of leather on to the fabric, and then cover it with another patch of ceconite. Really works slick and will never look ratty. I think I copied this from Larry Williams?? Maybe?? Can't remember now. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN. -----Original Message----- From: TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Mon, Aug 22, 2011 1:25 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage pass through sealing Thanks Kevin. That's what I needed. Tom >>> "kevinpurtee" 8/22/2011 1:00 PM >>> Tom - You use a soldering iron to burn the hole in the fabric then you run the line or whatever through the hole. The hole is basically self-cauterizing. If you're worried about the aesthetics you can use a leather patch, a rubber grommet or even a hard plastic doo-dad to give a more finished look. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:19 PM PST US From: "Amsafetyc@gmail.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: questions from a new guy... That would be looked upon by a lesser man as an impossibility but for me , I have a plan! For which you will have to witness for yourself sir I would not could not in a barn. I would not could not on a farm, I would not couldn't with a stranger I would not could not in my hangar. I would not could here or there I would not could not anywhere. I would not could not, Sam I am Do not archive Sam I am John Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: echobravo4 Sent: Mon, Aug 22, 2011 23:57:12 GMT+00:00 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: questions from a new guy... are you asking what color to paint your plane? :D with all the concern about "manufacturing" in your hanger do you think you can paint in there?! do not archive -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350268#350268 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: questions from a new guy... From: Dan Yocum You did NOT do that! Please say it isn't so! I've seen your craftsmanship and that is the work of a hack... saw... after someone said, "Hold my beer and WATCH THIS!" :-o -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Aug 22, 2011, at 4:48 PM, "Jerry Dotson" wrote: > > John I have never been known for any expertise in decorating but if you want your Piet to be an expression of you I the you ought to consider the trim. I tried my best on this so take it for what it is. It is a FlyBaby cowl but with your talents I'm sure you could make it look much better than I did. > > > please do not archive > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling > using Lycoming O-235 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350263#350263 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/a66_163.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:24 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage pass through sealing One more trick is to sew the leather to the Dacron doyley with rib stitch c hord or simmilar(spelling), then glue the dacron (with the leather sewed to it) patch to the fabric on the fuselage. It is sewed on so it won't come o ff, and the dacron sticks to dacron very well.- There are 100 ways to ski n that cat, I have seen 1/16" ply sandwiched in there as well. - Shad --- On Mon, 8/22/11, Jack wrote: From: Jack Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage pass through sealing I like both ideas, thanks! Jack DSM Do not archive - From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 7:09 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage pass through sealing - I did much the same thing, but used a piece of aluminum with a slot in it f or the cable, then sandwiched it between the fabric and a pinked-edge fabri c patch, as seen below: - - Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia - From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 7:57 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage pass through sealing - Hi Tom, - I never liked the glued-on leather patches that I saw at Brodhead (and othe r places). Inevitably the leather patch would start to peel off and curl up at the edges. Looked really ratty to me. So what I did is come up with a r eal innovative idea. I-blatantly and unapologetically copied what I had s een someone else do. Glue a patch of leather on to the fabric, and then cov er it with another patch of ceconite. Really works-slick and will never l ook ratty. I think I copied this from Larry Williams?? Maybe?? Can ' t reme mber now. - Dan Helsper Puryear, TN. - -----Original Message----- From: TOM STINEMETZE < TOMS@mcpcity.com > Sent: Mon, Aug 22, 2011 1:25 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage pass through sealing Thanks Kevin.- That ' s what I needed. - Tom >>> "kevinpurtee" 8/22/2011 1:00 PM >>> Tom - You use a soldering iron to burn the hole in the fabric then you run the line or whatever through the hole.- The hole is basically self-cauter izing.- If you ' re worried about the aesthetics you can use a leather pa tch, a rubber grommet or even a hard plastic doo-dad to give a more finishe d look. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX - -" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Nav igator?Pietenpol-Listp://forums.matronics.comblank>http://www.matronics.com /contribution - - -http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List -http://forums.matronics.com -http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.