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1. 04:25 AM - Re: Spruce vs. ????? (Wayne Bressler)
2. 06:20 AM - Re: Venting fuel tanks (TOM STINEMETZE)
3. 06:22 AM - Re: Venting fuel tanks (Pieti Lowell)
4. 06:33 AM - Re: Upper Engine Mounts (Hans Van Der Voort)
5. 06:35 AM - Re: Spruce vs. ????? (Michael Perez)
6. 06:41 AM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (cjborsuk)
7. 07:24 AM - Re: Spruce vs. ????? (Wayne Bressler)
8. 07:38 AM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (K5YAC)
9. 07:49 AM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (TOM STINEMETZE)
10. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Wooden Lift Struts (gboothe5@comcast.net)
11. 08:07 AM - Re: Spruce vs. ????? (K5YAC)
12. 08:18 AM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (K5YAC)
13. 08:29 AM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (cjborsuk)
14. 08:31 AM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (cjborsuk)
15. 09:57 AM - Re: Re: Wooden Lift Struts (mark lee)
16. 10:21 AM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (K5YAC)
17. 10:31 AM - Re: Re: Wooden Lift Struts (helspersew@aol.com)
18. 10:46 AM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (Kringle)
19. 11:16 AM - Flight video (TOM STINEMETZE)
20. 11:28 AM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (K5YAC)
21. 11:42 AM - Re: Re: Wooden Lift Struts (TOM STINEMETZE)
22. 12:11 PM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (Bill Church)
23. 01:36 PM - Re: Venting fuel tanks (Don Rucker)
24. 02:29 PM - Re: Flight video (Greg Cardinal)
25. 02:51 PM - Re: Flight video (K5YAC)
26. 02:57 PM - Re: Re: Wooden Lift Struts (mark lee)
27. 03:05 PM - Sharing the Wealth (John Hofmann)
28. 03:20 PM - Re: Re: Wooden Lift Struts (helspersew@aol.com)
29. 05:34 PM - Re: Upper Engine Mounts (Jack)
30. 06:07 PM - flying my 95 year old uncle around in the Piet... (ldmill)
31. 06:49 PM - Re: Flight video (Billy McCaskill)
32. 06:51 PM - Re: Venting fuel tanks (Billy McCaskill)
33. 06:56 PM - Re: flying my 95 year old uncle around in the Piet... (Brett Phillips)
34. 07:01 PM - Re: flying my 95 year old uncle around in the Piet... (Jerry Dotson)
35. 07:14 PM - Re: Sharing the Wealth (Gboothe5)
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| Subject: | Re: Spruce vs. ????? |
If I remember correctly, douglas fir is 23% heavier than spruce, so that's worthless
weight...
With any light-weight, low-power aircraft, any increase in empty weight is significant.
Why add worthless weight just to save a few bucks or time during building?
You'll be lugging that dead weight around every time you go flying.
Build it light (regardless of your wood choice), and you'll be very happy with
your decision.
If you don't have it already, consider buying a copy of the EAA book on building
with wood. Oh, and let me be the first to mention getting a set of Tony Bingelis
books. They'll answer most of your questions, and be a great resource throughout
your build.
Good luck, and post pictures.
Wayne Bressler
Taildraggers, Inc.
www.taildraggersinc.com
On Aug 23, 2011, at 6:27 PM, "mike79wall" <mwall@mainstaycomm.net> wrote:
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> Hello all!
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> Just recently joined this forum, and have a few questions. They are of the "newbie"
order, so take it easy on me. A friend of mine and I are beginning the
process of building a Piet. We have a few questions, as we plan our build.
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> 1) Is there an effective alternative to Sitka Spruce? Here in Nebraska, Sitka
is a bit difficult to come by.
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> 2) As I am a cabinet maker utilizing a CNC Machine, does anyone cut wing ribs
out of plywood? Drawing and cutting could be a fun project for myself.
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> Thanks for your attention, I'm sure we'll all be good friends by the end of our
build.
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> Mike Wall
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| Subject: | RE: Venting fuel tanks |
Don:
You could still have a good, tight-fitting fuel cap on the header tank.
Just remember to fill the header and close it off FIRST, before filling
the wing tank. If the vent opening was up as high as the vent on the wing
tank you would not have a problem. I like the earlier suggestion of
routing the vent to the filler neck on the wing tank. That makes a lot of
sense to me.
Tom Stinemetze
>>> Don Rucker <don@ctg-it.com> 8/23/2011 5:30 PM >>>
As you point out leaving the header sealed except for the vent (placed
above the center tank) would also work but refueling would take awhile.
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| Subject: | Re: Venting fuel tanks |
Of 4 Piets that I have owned, they all had a wing center section tank with a cap
vent , that extended up 1" above the cap, IMPORTANT , This fuel line had a shut-off
located on the right cabane for pilot access, the fuel line went to the
gas-o-later with a "T" to the header tank which had a shut-off, operated from
the rear cockpit, for refueling during flight.
Once in a while you will forget to shut-off the top tank, but the gas smell will
tell you quickly to turn the valve off.
I use the float in- cap Gage in the header cap, the clearance around the float
wire is all the venting required to keep fuel moving in the correct direction.
I tried to vent the top filler vent on the neck of the tank filler and the fuel
would not flow to the header tank, unless you would almost stall the wing to
lower the negative pressure.
Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Upper Engine Mounts |
I would extend it 1/4" forward (short end)
To give it some clearance for Stainless Firewall with Fibrefrax backing.
Hans
NX15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:18 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Upper Engine Mounts
For those Engineers and flying Piet owners I would appreciate some advice.
I made my upper engine mounts per plans with the exception they are .090 4
130. The plans call for 14 gauge steel (.080 I believe). I read an articl
e last night by Mr. Pietenpol where he stated one change he would suggest f
or those installing C-65=99s (mine is a C-85) would be to lengthen th
e mounts 3 inches. I=99ve attached a drawing showing the change. I
=99m planning to make the modification unless those in the know think
I=99m nuts.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Spruce vs. ????? |
Hello and welcome. If buying sitka in bulk works for you as it did for myse
lf, consider buying from places like Public Lumber or another suitable plac
e. I ordered all my spruce form Public and another vendor, (can't remember
who at the moment) right off the internet. You can select various thickness
es, widths and lengths. Shipping was fair and it arrived in under a week.
-I enjoyed taking the rough cut bulk and making it into usable pieces of
nice spruce.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden Lift Struts |
I remember Clif's analysis found that solid spruce has more than enough strength
to handle the job. Am I remembering this correctly?
Chuck
899CB
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| Subject: | Re: Spruce vs. ????? |
Michael,
Are you using quarter-sawn as shown on the Public Lumber website, or do they
allow you to choose cut, grain run-out, etc?
http://www.publiclumber.com/store/pc/2X6-8-Quarter-Sawn-Sitka-Spruce-39p6685
.htm
Wayne Bressler
Taildraggers, Inc.
www.taildraggersinc.com
On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> Hello and welcome. If buying sitka in bulk works for you as it did for mys
elf, consider buying from places like Public Lumber or another suitable plac
e. I ordered all my spruce form Public and another vendor, (can't remember w
ho at the moment) right off the internet. You can select various thicknesses
, widths and lengths. Shipping was fair and it arrived in under a week.
>
> I enjoyed taking the rough cut bulk and making it into usable pieces of n
ice spruce.
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden Lift Struts |
Hmm, if spruce is plenty good and laminated spruce is stronger... giddy up!
Wait a minute... Chuck says, "I remember" followed by, "Am I remembering correctly?"
Jack says, "not an authority"
Crap, I guess I'll roll my dragon dice. [Rolling Eyes]
cjborsuk wrote:
> I remember Clif's analysis found that solid spruce has more than enough strength
to handle the job. Am I remembering this correctly?
>
jack@textors wrote:
> I built a laminated spar because those that did know about these properties told
me it was stronger than a solid spar. Again, not an
> authority...
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden Lift Struts |
Authority? You want an authority? I'll give you an authority! How about
Albert Einstein?
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.
The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit
to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligenc
e." - A.E.
Not that I am implying that any of the previous byplay was seriously
involved with intelligence, you understand.
Stinemetze
(no authority - or intelligence - whatsoever)
do not archive
>>> "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net> 8/24/2011 9:36 AM >>>
Hmm, if spruce is plenty good and laminated spruce is stronger... giddy
up!
Wait a minute... Chuck says, "I remember" followed by, "Am I remembering
correctly?"
Jack says, "not an authority"
Crap, I guess I'll roll my dragon dice. [Rolling Eyes]
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden Lift Struts |
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| Subject: | Re: Spruce vs. ????? |
Welcome Mike!
As others have said... order spruce. Be light, be happy and move on. There are
plenty of time consuming tasks to choose from. Don't worry, you'll get plenty
of opportunity to saw, re-saw, sand, plane, etc.
Enjoy the process and keep us posted.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden Lift Struts |
I like that one...
gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Wood struts are nothing new.
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Mark Chouinard
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden Lift Struts |
Well now, I guess that covers it. Clear as mud!
I didn't know Eisenstein built a Piet, I didn't even know he was a pilot.
Man, I have got to get out some more. Too much time in the basement.
Chuck :?
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden Lift Struts |
or Einstein either!
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden Lift Struts |
Speaking of spruce. Is everyone happy with what they have been getting.We
know the price is of course high. But how is the quality.
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 8:28 AM, cjborsuk <cjborsuk@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> or Einstein either!
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden Lift Struts |
I had one issue with my materials that I won't publish again because the company
totally took care of the problem... all I will say is inspect your material,
as you should be doing anyway.
Otherwise, I have been real happy with the spruce I've purchased... it is straight
grained, straight cut and beautiful.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden Lift Struts |
Well,
I am sure y'all have been waiting for me to chime in on this important topi
c, since, as most of you all know, I do have access to the authoritative in
formation on this and all other topics Pietenpol. But for all those new to
this list, I will inform. Being the official keeper (a great burden really)
of the lost BHP papers, I can, and am most willing to, investigate these s
ubjects, but as most of you also know, I can only open the hermetically sea
led jar but once every spring (in May to be exact).
You know, I can't understand how year after year, the entire month of May c
omes and goes, without any inquiries of this type. Hmmmmmmm...... I guess
you guys really don't care what BHP was thinking.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net>
Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:38 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wooden Lift Struts
Hmm, if spruce is plenty good and laminated spruce is stronger... giddy up!
Wait a minute... Chuck says, "I remember" followed by, "Am I remembering
orrectly?"
Jack says, "not an authority"
Crap, I guess I'll roll my dragon dice. [Rolling Eyes]
cjborsuk wrote:
I remember Clif's analysis found that solid spruce has more than enough
trength to handle the job. Am I remembering this correctly?
jack@textors wrote:
I built a laminated spar because those that did know about these propertie
s
old me it was stronger than a solid spar. Again, not an
authority...
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ark Chouinard
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden Lift Struts |
I picked up my spar material from A/C Spruce in Oshkosh and the wood was beautiful.
No complaints here.
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John
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As promised a while back, I have finally been able to post a part of my
flight with Kevin Purtee in his Corvair powered Piet. This is actually
only about 1/3 of the total video but even this took about 3-hours to
upload to YouTube. Best Part - you don't have to look at either me or
Kevin in the whole thing. No excuses but this was the first time I used
this video camara and the photography shows it. Without furthere adeu...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZOuQTUd7K8
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden Lift Struts |
Perhaps it's that we don't care for your interpretation of what BHP was thinking.
Darn purists.
I kiiiid, I kiiiid.
helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> Well,
>
> I am sure y'all have been waiting for me to chime in on this important topic,
since, as most of you all know, I do have access to the authoritative information
on this and all other topics Pietenpol. But for all those new to this
list, I will inform. Being the official keeper (a great burden really) of the
lost BHP papers, I can, and am most willing to, investigate these subjects, but
as most of you also know, I can only open the hermetically sealed jar but once
every spring (in May to be exact).
>
> You know, I can't understand how year after year, the entire month of May
comes and goes, without any inquiries of this type. Hmmmmmmm..... I guess you
guys really don't care what BHP was thinking.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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Mark Chouinard
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden Lift Struts |
OK, check this out the next time you visit the Bat cave to retrieve the
sacred papers.
I believe I heard correctly that Bernard P. and Albert E. were the best of
buddies. After all, minds like those would find little to discuss with
mere mortals such as ourselves. Anyway, the story goes that Bernard and
Albert were out flying one day and Bernard mentions that it would be so
much less butt clenching if a particular fence was to be removed giving
access to a second field and making their runway longer. Albert's little
light bulb lights up - he says "Ach! Of course. A unified field theory."
And, the rest is history.
Honest Injun, that's the way I heard it.
Stinemetze
and, of course, DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>> <helspersew@aol.com> 8/24/2011 12:28 PM >>>
I guess you guys really don't care what BHP was thinking.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden Lift Struts |
Is this a general question, or are you referring to a specific supplier?
You can get spruce from aircraft supply houses, or specialty wood suppliers, and
you can also get spruce from the big box building supply stores. Obviously a
wide range of "quality" will be found.
> mlmarkelee7(at)gmail.com
> Guest
>
> Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:57 am Post subject: Wooden Lift Struts
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>
> Speaking of spruce. Is everyone happy with what they have been getting.We know
the price is of course high. But how is the quality.
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Venting fuel tanks |
Thanks to everyone that offered views to my vent question. You likely saved
me a good deal of trouble. The corrected fuel system plan now has the header
tank venting into the filler neck of the center tank. The center tank will
be used to replenish the header tank by opening the center valve as needed.
Thanks,
Don
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| Subject: | Re: Flight video |
I love the tight, steep, curved approach to the runway. That is some of
the most fun flying with a Pietenpol.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: TOM STINEMETZE
To: Matronics Pietenpol List
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 1:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight video
As promised a while back, I have finally been able to post a part of
my flight with Kevin Purtee in his Corvair powered Piet. This is
actually only about 1/3 of the total video but even this took about
3-hours to upload to YouTube. Best Part - you don't have to look at
either me or Kevin in the whole thing. No excuses but this was the
first time I used this video camara and the photography shows it.
Without furthere adeu...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZOuQTUd7K8
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
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| Subject: | Re: Flight video |
I'm a dumb ass for not taking a ride when it was offered. I guess I was afraid
being a permanent fixture in his airplane.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden Lift Struts |
No that was just a general question. I know that spruce is very slow growing
and only a small amount is of usable quality. I would expect it to be
expensive due to sorting,milling,shipping etc. Sounds like people are still
mostly happy with the quality from the reputable suppliers. There has been
some valid points made that a Pietenpol may be a poor choice for me. So I'm
looking into everything as much as possible. One of the few things that is a
given would be the use of spruce in most of the plane. How much of a weight
savings is there in using aluminum in the struts etc?
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>wrote:
> billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> Is this a general question, or are you referring to a specific supplier?
> You can get spruce from aircraft supply houses, or specialty wood
> suppliers, and you can also get spruce from the big box building supply
> stores. Obviously a wide range of "quality" will be found.
>
>
> > mlmarkelee7(at)gmail.com
> > Guest
> >
> > Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:57 am Post subject: Wooden Lift Struts
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Speaking of spruce. Is everyone happy with what they have been getting.We
> know the price is of course high. But how is the quality.
> >
> >
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350470#350470
>
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| Subject: | Sharing the Wealth |
Saturday was a good day for 502Rocket. I got to share the joy with Amy
Gesch. Amy is 20 and completely bitten by the aviation bug. She is a Cub
junkie and interned at Dakota Cub this Summer. I have known her since
she started hanging around HXF in 2008.
Saturday, Hartford was the sight of the pig roast around the birthday of
Steve Krog's assistant Dana. Unbeknownst to us she and her significant
other Paul, decided to tie the knot at lunch. Nobody knew ahead of time.
It was very cool. Their little farmette is adjacent to the airport so a
bunch of us went back, grabbed our planes and headed over for an
impromptu flour bomb drop. I had bombardier Rachel with me and we made
some "daring low level passes" while she aimed for the cone in the back
yard. I think she hit a goat, a small boy and the side of the house. If
you were to stay safe, you needed to stand where the cone was.
After the carpet bombing, we headed back over to the house and there was
Amy. I had not seen her all year so we caught up and I found out she was
leaving for school the next day. I said if she wanted to fly the Piet
then we would have to go back now. She said okay and off we went.
I put her in the front, took off and handed over the controls. She is a
smooth flyer. We did three stalls and she wanted to follow me through a
landing. After that I said she should fly the pattern a bit so she took
off and we did three circuits. When we landed, I said she might as well
jump in back and solo. She she did three times around and had a huge
grin on her face that this little plane provides. Here are a couple of
photos. She had one of them posted to Facebook before I had the airplane
back in the hangar.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden Lift Struts |
Kill the messenger!!!
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"K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
Perhaps it's that we don't care for your interpretation of what BHP was
hinking. Darn purists.
I kiiiid, I kiiiid.
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ings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Upper Engine Mounts |
Thanks Hans I had not thought of that.
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hans Van Der
Voort
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Upper Engine Mounts
I would extend it 1/4" forward (short end)
To give it some clearance for Stainless Firewall with Fibrefrax backing.
Hans
NX15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:18 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Upper Engine Mounts
For those Engineers and flying Piet owners I would appreciate some advice.
I made my upper engine mounts per plans with the exception they are .090
4130. The plans call for 14 gauge steel (.080 I believe). I read an
article last night by Mr. Pietenpol where he stated one change he would
suggest for those installing C-65's (mine is a C-85) would be to lengthen
the mounts 3 inches. I've attached a drawing showing the change. I'm
planning to make the modification unless those in the know think I'm nuts.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | flying my 95 year old uncle around in the Piet... |
Cherished Memories. Yes - I did it. I stuffed my 95 year old great uncle into a
plane designed 80+ years ago that many 30 year olds have trouble getting into...
Went down to the old home town of Wellman, Iowa to visit uncle Glenn - the guy
responsible for my career choice and brother to my grand-father who was responsible
for my flying addiction. Little did I know that he had already told everybody
in town that he was going for a flight in my plane!! When I got there,
he was jumping around like a teenager looking over my "contraption", "huh - that
thing really flys!". He took me out for breakfast then literally dragged me
back to the private strip, popped in the front cockpit (yes - I DO like the
door, thank you), stuck the leather helmet on his head - and off we went putt-putting
around the land that has been his home stomping ground since prior to
WW1. As we'd get close to something important, he'd gesture down energetically
and grin. It was a grand hour of buzzing barns (literally barnstorming !), waving
at people who came outside to see what the noise was, and looking at old
farmsteads that he grew up in or lived in, many of which are now abandoned or
razed.
Getting uncle Glenn out of the plane wasn't as easy as getting in. He was a little
tuckered, but was all smiles and I had a hard time getting a word in edgewise.
His daughter was there and had taken several photo's of the event - which
eventually made their way into the local paper with a nice article written
around them.
Uncle Glenn still drives himself to work every day at the business he started
sometime wayyy over 50 years ago and still owns (he's an electrician), has been
married to the same lady for almost 75 years - who lives at home with him and
is just as energetic around the house as he is. I grew up in his shop watching
him and my grandpa work on all things electrical - guess that's why I eventually
became an electrical engineer.
My grandfather took me up for my first flight at the Wellman airfield in an old
Taylorcraft back in '69 when I was 4 years old. I was his last passenger in
the early '70's before he lost his medical. I took him up from the same Wellman
airfield in 1987 for his last flight before he passed. He was my first passenger
after I got my license. I flew Glenn out of the same airfield less than
a month ago. It will most likely be his last flight as well, but it was one worthy
of being a last flight and I cherish the memory of it.
I love the memories that flying provide us, especially Piet type of flying. I
keep my logbook in my fireproof safe now for safe keeping as a family heritage
piece, and so that I can go back at will and re-read these memories.
That's my story, just had to get it off my chest. We are definitely lucky, folks.
Lorin
GN-1 N30PP
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Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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| Subject: | Re: Flight video |
You should have taken your chance when you had it, Mark. When Kevin yelled my
name at Brodhead and told me to get in the airplane, I didn't hesitate. It was
a great ride, and the Corvair didn't scare me one bit! Thanks again Kevin!
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: Venting fuel tanks |
It's great to learn from the mistakes of others. We can't possibly live long enough
to make them all ourselves. The sharing of ideas and experiences is what
makes this forum so valuable, aside from the friendships and cameraderie!
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: flying my 95 year old uncle around in the Piet... |
That's a first rate story Lorin! It brought a smile to my face after a
long ugly day at work. I'm looking forward to similar experiences some
day. I'm a real fan of your uncle's generation, those folks deserve all
the respect we can muster.
Brett Phillips
Strasburg, VA
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:05:05 -0400, ldmill <lorin.miller@emerson.com>
wrote:
>
> Cherished Memories. Yes - I did it. I stuffed my 95 year old great uncle
> into a plane designed 80+ years ago that many 30 year olds have trouble
> getting into...
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| Subject: | Re: flying my 95 year old uncle around in the Piet... |
What a great report. Glad you could do it. I took a 91 year old flying some 30
years ago. It was his first time flying. I asked him if he he was scared and he
said "No boy I'm too old to get scared! You can't scare me." That is a good
memory for me.
do not archive
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Sharing the Wealth |
Lucky girl.lucky Dad.
Do not archive
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sharing the Wealth
Saturday was a good day for 502Rocket. I got to share the joy with Amy
Gesch. Amy is 20 and completely bitten by the aviation bug. She is a Cub
junkie and interned at Dakota Cub this Summer. I have known her since she
started hanging around HXF in 2008.
Saturday, Hartford was the sight of the pig roast around the birthday of
Steve Krog's assistant Dana. Unbeknownst to us she and her significant other
Paul, decided to tie the knot at lunch. Nobody knew ahead of time. It was
very cool. Their little farmette is adjacent to the airport so a bunch of us
went back, grabbed our planes and headed over for an impromptu flour bomb
drop. I had bombardier Rachel with me and we made some "daring low level
passes" while she aimed for the cone in the back yard. I think she hit a
goat, a small boy and the side of the house. If you were to stay safe, you
needed to stand where the cone was.
After the carpet bombing, we headed back over to the house and there was
Amy. I had not seen her all year so we caught up and I found out she was
leaving for school the next day. I said if she wanted to fly the Piet then
we would have to go back now. She said okay and off we went.
I put her in the front, took off and handed over the controls. She is a
smooth flyer. We did three stalls and she wanted to follow me through a
landing. After that I said she should fly the pattern a bit so she took off
and we did three circuits. When we landed, I said she might as well jump in
back and solo. She she did three times around and had a huge grin on her
face that this little plane provides. Here are a couple of photos. She had
one of them posted to Facebook before I had the airplane back in the hangar.
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