---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/24/11: 35 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:25 AM - Re: Spruce vs. ????? (Wayne Bressler) 2. 06:20 AM - Re: Venting fuel tanks (TOM STINEMETZE) 3. 06:22 AM - Re: Venting fuel tanks (Pieti Lowell) 4. 06:33 AM - Re: Upper Engine Mounts (Hans Van Der Voort) 5. 06:35 AM - Re: Spruce vs. ????? (Michael Perez) 6. 06:41 AM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (cjborsuk) 7. 07:24 AM - Re: Spruce vs. ????? (Wayne Bressler) 8. 07:38 AM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (K5YAC) 9. 07:49 AM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (TOM STINEMETZE) 10. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Wooden Lift Struts (gboothe5@comcast.net) 11. 08:07 AM - Re: Spruce vs. ????? (K5YAC) 12. 08:18 AM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (K5YAC) 13. 08:29 AM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (cjborsuk) 14. 08:31 AM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (cjborsuk) 15. 09:57 AM - Re: Re: Wooden Lift Struts (mark lee) 16. 10:21 AM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (K5YAC) 17. 10:31 AM - Re: Re: Wooden Lift Struts (helspersew@aol.com) 18. 10:46 AM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (Kringle) 19. 11:16 AM - Flight video (TOM STINEMETZE) 20. 11:28 AM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (K5YAC) 21. 11:42 AM - Re: Re: Wooden Lift Struts (TOM STINEMETZE) 22. 12:11 PM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (Bill Church) 23. 01:36 PM - Re: Venting fuel tanks (Don Rucker) 24. 02:29 PM - Re: Flight video (Greg Cardinal) 25. 02:51 PM - Re: Flight video (K5YAC) 26. 02:57 PM - Re: Re: Wooden Lift Struts (mark lee) 27. 03:05 PM - Sharing the Wealth (John Hofmann) 28. 03:20 PM - Re: Re: Wooden Lift Struts (helspersew@aol.com) 29. 05:34 PM - Re: Upper Engine Mounts (Jack) 30. 06:07 PM - flying my 95 year old uncle around in the Piet... (ldmill) 31. 06:49 PM - Re: Flight video (Billy McCaskill) 32. 06:51 PM - Re: Venting fuel tanks (Billy McCaskill) 33. 06:56 PM - Re: flying my 95 year old uncle around in the Piet... (Brett Phillips) 34. 07:01 PM - Re: flying my 95 year old uncle around in the Piet... (Jerry Dotson) 35. 07:14 PM - Re: Sharing the Wealth (Gboothe5) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spruce vs. ????? From: Wayne Bressler If I remember correctly, douglas fir is 23% heavier than spruce, so that's worthless weight... With any light-weight, low-power aircraft, any increase in empty weight is significant. Why add worthless weight just to save a few bucks or time during building? You'll be lugging that dead weight around every time you go flying. Build it light (regardless of your wood choice), and you'll be very happy with your decision. If you don't have it already, consider buying a copy of the EAA book on building with wood. Oh, and let me be the first to mention getting a set of Tony Bingelis books. They'll answer most of your questions, and be a great resource throughout your build. Good luck, and post pictures. Wayne Bressler Taildraggers, Inc. www.taildraggersinc.com On Aug 23, 2011, at 6:27 PM, "mike79wall" wrote: > > Hello all! > > Just recently joined this forum, and have a few questions. They are of the "newbie" order, so take it easy on me. A friend of mine and I are beginning the process of building a Piet. We have a few questions, as we plan our build. > > 1) Is there an effective alternative to Sitka Spruce? Here in Nebraska, Sitka is a bit difficult to come by. > > 2) As I am a cabinet maker utilizing a CNC Machine, does anyone cut wing ribs out of plywood? Drawing and cutting could be a fun project for myself. > > Thanks for your attention, I'm sure we'll all be good friends by the end of our build. > > Mike Wall > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350361#350361 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:31 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Venting fuel tanks Don: You could still have a good, tight-fitting fuel cap on the header tank. Just remember to fill the header and close it off FIRST, before filling the wing tank. If the vent opening was up as high as the vent on the wing tank you would not have a problem. I like the earlier suggestion of routing the vent to the filler neck on the wing tank. That makes a lot of sense to me. Tom Stinemetze >>> Don Rucker 8/23/2011 5:30 PM >>> As you point out leaving the header sealed except for the vent (placed above the center tank) would also work but refueling would take awhile. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Venting fuel tanks From: "Pieti Lowell" Of 4 Piets that I have owned, they all had a wing center section tank with a cap vent , that extended up 1" above the cap, IMPORTANT , This fuel line had a shut-off located on the right cabane for pilot access, the fuel line went to the gas-o-later with a "T" to the header tank which had a shut-off, operated from the rear cockpit, for refueling during flight. Once in a while you will forget to shut-off the top tank, but the gas smell will tell you quickly to turn the valve off. I use the float in- cap Gage in the header cap, the clearance around the float wire is all the venting required to keep fuel moving in the correct direction. I tried to vent the top filler vent on the neck of the tank filler and the fuel would not flow to the header tank, unless you would almost stall the wing to lower the negative pressure. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350416#350416 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Upper Engine Mounts From: Hans Van Der Voort I would extend it 1/4" forward (short end) To give it some clearance for Stainless Firewall with Fibrefrax backing. Hans NX15KV -----Original Message----- From: Jack Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:18 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Upper Engine Mounts For those Engineers and flying Piet owners I would appreciate some advice. I made my upper engine mounts per plans with the exception they are .090 4 130. The plans call for 14 gauge steel (.080 I believe). I read an articl e last night by Mr. Pietenpol where he stated one change he would suggest f or those installing C-65=99s (mine is a C-85) would be to lengthen th e mounts 3 inches. I=99ve attached a drawing showing the change. I =99m planning to make the modification unless those in the know think I=99m nuts. Thanks, Jack DSM <<...>> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:58 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spruce vs. ????? Hello and welcome. If buying sitka in bulk works for you as it did for myse lf, consider buying from places like Public Lumber or another suitable plac e. I ordered all my spruce form Public and another vendor, (can't remember who at the moment) right off the internet. You can select various thickness es, widths and lengths. Shipping was fair and it arrived in under a week. -I enjoyed taking the rough cut bulk and making it into usable pieces of nice spruce. Michael Perez =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wooden Lift Struts From: "cjborsuk" I remember Clif's analysis found that solid spruce has more than enough strength to handle the job. Am I remembering this correctly? Chuck 899CB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350421#350421 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spruce vs. ????? From: Wayne Bressler Michael, Are you using quarter-sawn as shown on the Public Lumber website, or do they allow you to choose cut, grain run-out, etc? http://www.publiclumber.com/store/pc/2X6-8-Quarter-Sawn-Sitka-Spruce-39p6685 .htm Wayne Bressler Taildraggers, Inc. www.taildraggersinc.com On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > > Hello and welcome. If buying sitka in bulk works for you as it did for mys elf, consider buying from places like Public Lumber or another suitable plac e. I ordered all my spruce form Public and another vendor, (can't remember w ho at the moment) right off the internet. You can select various thicknesses , widths and lengths. Shipping was fair and it arrived in under a week. > > I enjoyed taking the rough cut bulk and making it into usable pieces of n ice spruce. > > Michael Perez > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:33 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wooden Lift Struts From: "K5YAC" Hmm, if spruce is plenty good and laminated spruce is stronger... giddy up! Wait a minute... Chuck says, "I remember" followed by, "Am I remembering correctly?" Jack says, "not an authority" Crap, I guess I'll roll my dragon dice. [Rolling Eyes] cjborsuk wrote: > I remember Clif's analysis found that solid spruce has more than enough strength to handle the job. Am I remembering this correctly? > jack@textors wrote: > I built a laminated spar because those that did know about these properties told me it was stronger than a solid spar. Again, not an > authority... -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350433#350433 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:21 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wooden Lift Struts Authority? You want an authority? I'll give you an authority! How about Albert Einstein? "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligenc e." - A.E. Not that I am implying that any of the previous byplay was seriously involved with intelligence, you understand. Stinemetze (no authority - or intelligence - whatsoever) do not archive >>> "K5YAC" 8/24/2011 9:36 AM >>> Hmm, if spruce is plenty good and laminated spruce is stronger... giddy up! Wait a minute... Chuck says, "I remember" followed by, "Am I remembering correctly?" Jack says, "not an authority" Crap, I guess I'll roll my dragon dice. [Rolling Eyes] ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wooden Lift Struts From: gboothe5@comcast.net Li4uT3IganVzdCByZWx5IG9uIGVtcGlyaWNhbCBldmlkZW5jZSwgdG8gdXNlIGEgSG9mZm1hbiB0 ZXJtLiBXb29kIHN0cnV0cyBhcmUgbm90aGluZyBuZXcuDQoNCkdhcnkNClNlbnQgb24gdGhlIFNw cmludK4gTm93IE5ldHdvcmsgZnJvbSBteSBCbGFja0JlcnJ5rg0KDQotLS0tLU9yaWdpbmFsIE1l c3NhZ2UtLS0tLQ0KRnJvbTogIlRPTSBTVElORU1FVFpFIiA8VE9NU0BtY3BjaXR5LmNvbT4NClNl bmRlcjogb3duZXItcGlldGVucG9sLWxpc3Qtc2VydmVyQG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20NCkRhdGU6IFdl ZCwgMjQgQXVnIDIwMTEgMDk6NDY6NTIgDQpUbzogPHBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5j b20+DQpSZXBseS1UbzogcGlldGVucG9sLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbVN1YmplY3Q6IFBpZXRl bnBvbC1MaXN0OiBSZTogV29vZGVuIExpZnQgU3RydXRzDQoNClRoaXMgaXMgYSBNSU1FIG1lc3Nh Z2UuIElmIHlvdSBhcmUgcmVhZGluZyB0aGlzIHRleHQsIHlvdSBtYXkgd2FudCB0byANCmNvbnNp ZGVyIGNoYW5naW5nIHRvIGEgbWFpbCByZWFkZXIgb3IgZ2F0ZXdheSB0aGF0IHVuZGVyc3RhbmRz IGhvdyB0byANCnByb3Blcmx5IGhhbmRsZSBNSU1FIG11bHRpcGFydCBtZXNzYWdlcy4NCg0K ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce vs. ????? From: "K5YAC" Welcome Mike! As others have said... order spruce. Be light, be happy and move on. There are plenty of time consuming tasks to choose from. Don't worry, you'll get plenty of opportunity to saw, re-saw, sand, plane, etc. Enjoy the process and keep us posted. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350440#350440 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wooden Lift Struts From: "K5YAC" I like that one... gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote: > Wood struts are nothing new. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350443#350443 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:48 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wooden Lift Struts From: "cjborsuk" Well now, I guess that covers it. Clear as mud! I didn't know Eisenstein built a Piet, I didn't even know he was a pilot. Man, I have got to get out some more. Too much time in the basement. Chuck :? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350444#350444 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wooden Lift Struts From: "cjborsuk" or Einstein either! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350445#350445 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:54 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wooden Lift Struts From: mark lee Speaking of spruce. Is everyone happy with what they have been getting.We know the price is of course high. But how is the quality. On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 8:28 AM, cjborsuk wrote: > > or Einstein either! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350445#350445 > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wooden Lift Struts From: "K5YAC" I had one issue with my materials that I won't publish again because the company totally took care of the problem... all I will say is inspect your material, as you should be doing anyway. Otherwise, I have been real happy with the spruce I've purchased... it is straight grained, straight cut and beautiful. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350454#350454 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wooden Lift Struts From: helspersew@aol.com Well, I am sure y'all have been waiting for me to chime in on this important topi c, since, as most of you all know, I do have access to the authoritative in formation on this and all other topics Pietenpol. But for all those new to this list, I will inform. Being the official keeper (a great burden really) of the lost BHP papers, I can, and am most willing to, investigate these s ubjects, but as most of you also know, I can only open the hermetically sea led jar but once every spring (in May to be exact). You know, I can't understand how year after year, the entire month of May c omes and goes, without any inquiries of this type. Hmmmmmmm...... I guess you guys really don't care what BHP was thinking. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: K5YAC Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2011 9:38 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wooden Lift Struts Hmm, if spruce is plenty good and laminated spruce is stronger... giddy up! Wait a minute... Chuck says, "I remember" followed by, "Am I remembering orrectly?" Jack says, "not an authority" Crap, I guess I'll roll my dragon dice. [Rolling Eyes] cjborsuk wrote: I remember Clif's analysis found that solid spruce has more than enough trength to handle the job. Am I remembering this correctly? jack@textors wrote: I built a laminated spar because those that did know about these propertie s old me it was stronger than a solid spar. Again, not an authority... ------- ark Chouinard ings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350433#350433 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:19 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wooden Lift Struts From: "Kringle" I picked up my spar material from A/C Spruce in Oshkosh and the wood was beautiful. No complaints here. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350457#350457 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:16:42 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight video As promised a while back, I have finally been able to post a part of my flight with Kevin Purtee in his Corvair powered Piet. This is actually only about 1/3 of the total video but even this took about 3-hours to upload to YouTube. Best Part - you don't have to look at either me or Kevin in the whole thing. No excuses but this was the first time I used this video camara and the photography shows it. Without furthere adeu... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZOuQTUd7K8 Tom Stinemetze N328X ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wooden Lift Struts From: "K5YAC" Perhaps it's that we don't care for your interpretation of what BHP was thinking. Darn purists. I kiiiid, I kiiiid. helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: > Well, > > I am sure y'all have been waiting for me to chime in on this important topic, since, as most of you all know, I do have access to the authoritative information on this and all other topics Pietenpol. But for all those new to this list, I will inform. Being the official keeper (a great burden really) of the lost BHP papers, I can, and am most willing to, investigate these subjects, but as most of you also know, I can only open the hermetically sealed jar but once every spring (in May to be exact). > > You know, I can't understand how year after year, the entire month of May comes and goes, without any inquiries of this type. Hmmmmmmm..... I guess you guys really don't care what BHP was thinking. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > > > > > -- -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350465#350465 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:29 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wooden Lift Struts OK, check this out the next time you visit the Bat cave to retrieve the sacred papers. I believe I heard correctly that Bernard P. and Albert E. were the best of buddies. After all, minds like those would find little to discuss with mere mortals such as ourselves. Anyway, the story goes that Bernard and Albert were out flying one day and Bernard mentions that it would be so much less butt clenching if a particular fence was to be removed giving access to a second field and making their runway longer. Albert's little light bulb lights up - he says "Ach! Of course. A unified field theory." And, the rest is history. Honest Injun, that's the way I heard it. Stinemetze and, of course, DO NOT ARCHIVE >>> 8/24/2011 12:28 PM >>> I guess you guys really don't care what BHP was thinking. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wooden Lift Struts From: "Bill Church" Is this a general question, or are you referring to a specific supplier? You can get spruce from aircraft supply houses, or specialty wood suppliers, and you can also get spruce from the big box building supply stores. Obviously a wide range of "quality" will be found. > mlmarkelee7(at)gmail.com > Guest > > Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:57 am Post subject: Wooden Lift Struts > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Speaking of spruce. Is everyone happy with what they have been getting.We know the price is of course high. But how is the quality. > > Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350470#350470 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:36:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Venting fuel tanks From: Don Rucker Thanks to everyone that offered views to my vent question. You likely saved me a good deal of trouble. The corrected fuel system plan now has the header tank venting into the filler neck of the center tank. The center tank will be used to replenish the header tank by opening the center valve as needed. Thanks, Don ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:20 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight video I love the tight, steep, curved approach to the runway. That is some of the most fun flying with a Pietenpol. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: TOM STINEMETZE To: Matronics Pietenpol List Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 1:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight video As promised a while back, I have finally been able to post a part of my flight with Kevin Purtee in his Corvair powered Piet. This is actually only about 1/3 of the total video but even this took about 3-hours to upload to YouTube. Best Part - you don't have to look at either me or Kevin in the whole thing. No excuses but this was the first time I used this video camara and the photography shows it. Without furthere adeu... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZOuQTUd7K8 Tom Stinemetze N328X ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:57 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight video From: "K5YAC" I'm a dumb ass for not taking a ride when it was offered. I guess I was afraid being a permanent fixture in his airplane. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350487#350487 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:57:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wooden Lift Struts From: mark lee No that was just a general question. I know that spruce is very slow growing and only a small amount is of usable quality. I would expect it to be expensive due to sorting,milling,shipping etc. Sounds like people are still mostly happy with the quality from the reputable suppliers. There has been some valid points made that a Pietenpol may be a poor choice for me. So I'm looking into everything as much as possible. One of the few things that is a given would be the use of spruce in most of the plane. How much of a weight savings is there in using aluminum in the struts etc? On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Bill Church wrote: > billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > Is this a general question, or are you referring to a specific supplier? > You can get spruce from aircraft supply houses, or specialty wood > suppliers, and you can also get spruce from the big box building supply > stores. Obviously a wide range of "quality" will be found. > > > > mlmarkelee7(at)gmail.com > > Guest > > > > Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:57 am Post subject: Wooden Lift Struts > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Speaking of spruce. Is everyone happy with what they have been getting.We > know the price is of course high. But how is the quality. > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350470#350470 > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:10 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sharing the Wealth Saturday was a good day for 502Rocket. I got to share the joy with Amy Gesch. Amy is 20 and completely bitten by the aviation bug. She is a Cub junkie and interned at Dakota Cub this Summer. I have known her since she started hanging around HXF in 2008. Saturday, Hartford was the sight of the pig roast around the birthday of Steve Krog's assistant Dana. Unbeknownst to us she and her significant other Paul, decided to tie the knot at lunch. Nobody knew ahead of time. It was very cool. Their little farmette is adjacent to the airport so a bunch of us went back, grabbed our planes and headed over for an impromptu flour bomb drop. I had bombardier Rachel with me and we made some "daring low level passes" while she aimed for the cone in the back yard. I think she hit a goat, a small boy and the side of the house. If you were to stay safe, you needed to stand where the cone was. After the carpet bombing, we headed back over to the house and there was Amy. I had not seen her all year so we caught up and I found out she was leaving for school the next day. I said if she wanted to fly the Piet then we would have to go back now. She said okay and off we went. I put her in the front, took off and handed over the controls. She is a smooth flyer. We did three stalls and she wanted to follow me through a landing. After that I said she should fly the pattern a bit so she took off and we did three circuits. When we landed, I said she might as well jump in back and solo. She she did three times around and had a huge grin on her face that this little plane provides. Here are a couple of photos. She had one of them posted to Facebook before I had the airplane back in the hangar. -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:34 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wooden Lift Struts From: helspersew@aol.com Kill the messenger!!! do not archive "K5YAC" Perhaps it's that we don't care for your interpretation of what BHP was hinking. Darn purists. I kiiiid, I kiiiid. -- ------- ark Chouinard ings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350465#350465 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:42 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Upper Engine Mounts Thanks Hans I had not thought of that. Jack DSM Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hans Van Der Voort Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:31 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Upper Engine Mounts I would extend it 1/4" forward (short end) To give it some clearance for Stainless Firewall with Fibrefrax backing. Hans NX15KV -----Original Message----- From: Jack Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:18 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Upper Engine Mounts For those Engineers and flying Piet owners I would appreciate some advice. I made my upper engine mounts per plans with the exception they are .090 4130. The plans call for 14 gauge steel (.080 I believe). I read an article last night by Mr. Pietenpol where he stated one change he would suggest for those installing C-65's (mine is a C-85) would be to lengthen the mounts 3 inches. I've attached a drawing showing the change. I'm planning to make the modification unless those in the know think I'm nuts. Thanks, Jack DSM <<...>> ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying my 95 year old uncle around in the Piet... From: "ldmill" Cherished Memories. Yes - I did it. I stuffed my 95 year old great uncle into a plane designed 80+ years ago that many 30 year olds have trouble getting into... Went down to the old home town of Wellman, Iowa to visit uncle Glenn - the guy responsible for my career choice and brother to my grand-father who was responsible for my flying addiction. Little did I know that he had already told everybody in town that he was going for a flight in my plane!! When I got there, he was jumping around like a teenager looking over my "contraption", "huh - that thing really flys!". He took me out for breakfast then literally dragged me back to the private strip, popped in the front cockpit (yes - I DO like the door, thank you), stuck the leather helmet on his head - and off we went putt-putting around the land that has been his home stomping ground since prior to WW1. As we'd get close to something important, he'd gesture down energetically and grin. It was a grand hour of buzzing barns (literally barnstorming !), waving at people who came outside to see what the noise was, and looking at old farmsteads that he grew up in or lived in, many of which are now abandoned or razed. Getting uncle Glenn out of the plane wasn't as easy as getting in. He was a little tuckered, but was all smiles and I had a hard time getting a word in edgewise. His daughter was there and had taken several photo's of the event - which eventually made their way into the local paper with a nice article written around them. Uncle Glenn still drives himself to work every day at the business he started sometime wayyy over 50 years ago and still owns (he's an electrician), has been married to the same lady for almost 75 years - who lives at home with him and is just as energetic around the house as he is. I grew up in his shop watching him and my grandpa work on all things electrical - guess that's why I eventually became an electrical engineer. My grandfather took me up for my first flight at the Wellman airfield in an old Taylorcraft back in '69 when I was 4 years old. I was his last passenger in the early '70's before he lost his medical. I took him up from the same Wellman airfield in 1987 for his last flight before he passed. He was my first passenger after I got my license. I flew Glenn out of the same airfield less than a month ago. It will most likely be his last flight as well, but it was one worthy of being a last flight and I cherish the memory of it. I love the memories that flying provide us, especially Piet type of flying. I keep my logbook in my fireproof safe now for safe keeping as a family heritage piece, and so that I can go back at will and re-read these memories. That's my story, just had to get it off my chest. We are definitely lucky, folks. Lorin GN-1 N30PP -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350505#350505 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc04085_205.jpg ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight video From: "Billy McCaskill" You should have taken your chance when you had it, Mark. When Kevin yelled my name at Brodhead and told me to get in the airplane, I didn't hesitate. It was a great ride, and the Corvair didn't scare me one bit! Thanks again Kevin! -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350506#350506 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:23 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Venting fuel tanks From: "Billy McCaskill" It's great to learn from the mistakes of others. We can't possibly live long enough to make them all ourselves. The sharing of ideas and experiences is what makes this forum so valuable, aside from the friendships and cameraderie! -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350508#350508 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying my 95 year old uncle around in the Piet... From: "Brett Phillips" That's a first rate story Lorin! It brought a smile to my face after a long ugly day at work. I'm looking forward to similar experiences some day. I'm a real fan of your uncle's generation, those folks deserve all the respect we can muster. Brett Phillips Strasburg, VA On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:05:05 -0400, ldmill wrote: > > Cherished Memories. Yes - I did it. I stuffed my 95 year old great uncle > into a plane designed 80+ years ago that many 30 year olds have trouble > getting into... ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying my 95 year old uncle around in the Piet... From: "Jerry Dotson" What a great report. Glad you could do it. I took a 91 year old flying some 30 years ago. It was his first time flying. I asked him if he he was scared and he said "No boy I'm too old to get scared! You can't scare me." That is a good memory for me. do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350511#350511 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:00 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sharing the Wealth Lucky girl.lucky Dad. Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sharing the Wealth Saturday was a good day for 502Rocket. I got to share the joy with Amy Gesch. Amy is 20 and completely bitten by the aviation bug. She is a Cub junkie and interned at Dakota Cub this Summer. I have known her since she started hanging around HXF in 2008. Saturday, Hartford was the sight of the pig roast around the birthday of Steve Krog's assistant Dana. Unbeknownst to us she and her significant other Paul, decided to tie the knot at lunch. Nobody knew ahead of time. It was very cool. Their little farmette is adjacent to the airport so a bunch of us went back, grabbed our planes and headed over for an impromptu flour bomb drop. I had bombardier Rachel with me and we made some "daring low level passes" while she aimed for the cone in the back yard. I think she hit a goat, a small boy and the side of the house. If you were to stay safe, you needed to stand where the cone was. After the carpet bombing, we headed back over to the house and there was Amy. I had not seen her all year so we caught up and I found out she was leaving for school the next day. I said if she wanted to fly the Piet then we would have to go back now. She said okay and off we went. I put her in the front, took off and handed over the controls. She is a smooth flyer. We did three stalls and she wanted to follow me through a landing. After that I said she should fly the pattern a bit so she took off and we did three circuits. When we landed, I said she might as well jump in back and solo. She she did three times around and had a huge grin on her face that this little plane provides. Here are a couple of photos. 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