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1. 03:57 AM - Re: Re: questions from a new guy... (Amsafetc)
2. 04:06 AM - Re: first flight (Charles Campbell)
3. 06:39 AM - Re: Tail Brace Wires--Again (Michael Perez)
4. 08:17 AM - Tail Brace Wires--Again (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 11:54 AM - Windscreen sizing (Ken Bickers)
6. 12:34 PM - Re: Windscreen sizing (Jack Phillips)
7. 12:35 PM - Re: Windscreen sizing (skellytown flyer)
8. 12:58 PM - Re: Windscreen sizing (Ken Bickers)
9. 01:40 PM - Re: Windscreen sizing (Jim Markle)
10. 01:55 PM - Re: Windscreen sizing (Ken Bickers)
11. 02:14 PM - Re: Windscreen sizing (Charles Campbell)
12. 02:17 PM - Re: Windscreen sizing (Doug Dever)
13. 02:22 PM - Re: Windscreen sizing (jarheadpilot82)
14. 02:27 PM - Re: Windscreen sizing (jarheadpilot82)
15. 02:33 PM - Re: Windscreen sizing (Gboothe5)
16. 02:49 PM - Re: Windscreen sizing (TOM STINEMETZE)
17. 03:23 PM - Re: Windscreen sizing (Jack Phillips)
18. 03:24 PM - Re: Windscreen sizing (Hans Van Der Voort)
19. 03:45 PM - Re: Windscreen sizing (IT Girl)
20. 04:25 PM - Re: Re: Windscreen sizing (Kenneth M. Heide)
21. 04:44 PM - Re: Tail Brace Wires--Again (John Kuhfahl)
22. 05:46 PM - Re: Re: Windscreen sizing (Jack Phillips)
23. 05:55 PM - Re: Windscreen sizing (airlion)
24. 06:03 PM - Re: Windscreen sizing (Ben Charvet)
25. 06:09 PM - Re: Re: Windscreen sizing (Ken Bickers)
26. 06:14 PM - local evening flying etc (shad bell)
27. 06:58 PM - Re: Windscreen sizing (Dick N)
28. 07:09 PM - Speaking of local evening flying... (Don Emch)
29. 07:56 PM - Windshield height (helspersew@aol.com)
30. 08:13 PM - Re: Windshield height (IT Girl)
31. 08:18 PM - its oficial and it sux (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
32. 08:31 PM - Re: its oficial and it sux (Richard Schreiber)
33. 09:01 PM - Re: its oficial and it sux (Kenneth M. Heide)
34. 09:14 PM - Re: its oficial and it sux (Kenneth M. Heide)
35. 10:02 PM - Re: Windscreen sizing (Greg Cardinal)
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| Subject: | Re: questions from a new guy... |
Very nice. I need me one of those
John
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 27, 2011, at 7:27 PM, "echobravo4" <eab4@comcast.net> wrote:
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> John-
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> I just remembered that while i was waiting for my first delivery of wood
> i started a 3D model of a Piet to pass the time-
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> It's not complete (due to working on the REAL one) but i think there is
> enough there to get the paintjob across!
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> Earl Brown
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> I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where
I intended to be.
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| Subject: | Re: first flight |
Don, I have lived in NC all my life except for military time and I never
heard of Bayboro until your post. Congratulations. I'm a few months
behind you. I just finished one wing -- starting on the other. Tail
done, fuselage about 1/2 done, engine (Corvair) just started but I have
most of the parts. Waiting for a 5th bearing. As soon as that gets
installed I can get back to the engine. Hoping to make Brodhead in
2012. Chuck in Winston-Salem.
----- Original Message -----
From: Amsafetc
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first flight
That's great congratulations
John
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 26, 2011, at 11:07 PM, "Donald Lane" <dslane@embarqmail.com>
wrote:
Pietenpol N110DL made her first flight yesterday 8/25/11, at Bayboro
NC, piloted by Barry Triplett. He found the airplane to handle well and
said it flies like a Cub. One quick flight this morning and then we had
to take off the wings again and move her to safer ground before Irene
gets here. Got everything secured just before the rain started. Don
Lane
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Brace Wires--Again |
I am using 1/16th cable with swaged on fittings. (still building)
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Tail Brace Wires--Again |
The tail brace wires on 41CC are 1/16" stainless. They were
galvanized cable before, and one of them broke. I suspect
corrosion or fretting... the tail does get buffetted constantly
while in flight, and anything at the tail of the airplane
seems to get the dirtiest and oiliest so when I replaced them
I used stainless.
To me, 1/8" cable back there is sheer overkill. 3/32" would be
a good compromise if 1/16" looks too skinny to you.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Windscreen sizing |
Folks,
I've searched the archives and found lots of discussions through the
years about windscreens, but didn't see a thread on the sizing of
windscreens. On the motorcycle forums, I found mentions that the top
edge of windscreens optimally should lie between the tip and bridge of
the rider's nose. Any thoughts, especially positive experiences, on
the optimal height and sizing of windscreens for Pietenpols?
Thanks, Ken
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| Subject: | Windscreen sizing |
Ken,
I think you would want it higher than that, and frankly, I'd make it as tall
as possible without looking "funny". Mine are about 10" tall and I wish I
had made them a couple inches taller. Here is a picture of my installation:
The windshields on John Hofmann's "502 Rocket" are taller, and you can
comfortably fly behind them with no goggles or sunglasses, as shown below:
Hope this helps,
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
Folks,
I've searched the archives and found lots of discussions through the
years about windscreens, but didn't see a thread on the sizing of
windscreens. On the motorcycle forums, I found mentions that the top
edge of windscreens optimally should lie between the tip and bridge of
the rider's nose. Any thoughts, especially positive experiences, on
the optimal height and sizing of windscreens for Pietenpols?
Thanks, Ken
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
Hope you get good responses on this. I kinda took the easy route and cut a couple
old motorcycle windshields down to fit my fuselage and guessed at having them
about even with the top of my head. I haven't got many hours on it but it generally
ok as long as I sit directly behind it and I can even fly with a ball
cap on and it stays but you better not raise up any or lean very far to the side.
I had a headset on one day and twisted around just a little for something
and got it in the slipstream and that sucker was gone.no doubt bigger is better.
I have not ridden in the front seat yet or has anyone else.Raymond
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
Jack, this is helpful. My sense, however, is that you are considerably
taller than me. I'm wondering, if you were to use yourself as a metric,
where is the top of your windscreen relative to your facial features?
Again thanks, Ken
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>wrot
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
If possible, I would wait until you can sit in the pilot's seat, with the engine/prop
running, and experiment. Probably won't be a perfect answer but close.
So why not wait on the windscreen design/sizing until after the engine is installed?
Cut some different sizes and hold them up while the prop is producing wind......angle
it, tilt it, resize it....I would think that would get you pretty close....
Jim
Pryor, OK
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
>Sent: Aug 29, 2011 1:52 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
>
>
>Folks,
>
>I've searched the archives and found lots of discussions through the
>years about windscreens, but didn't see a thread on the sizing of
>windscreens. On the motorcycle forums, I found mentions that the top
>edge of windscreens optimally should lie between the tip and bridge of
>the rider's nose. Any thoughts, especially positive experiences, on
>the optimal height and sizing of windscreens for Pietenpols?
>
>Thanks, Ken
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
Jim, that's good advice.
Still, at the moment I've got a bit of a window (no pun intended) to
take care of incidentals on the project. Right now, the bottom end of
my engine is at Roy's Garage for installation of a fifth bearing. It
will be awhile before I get that back and can assemble the engine. My
engine mount, axle, and spreader bars are at the paint shop being
powder coated. I was thinking that adding all the doo-dads on the
fuselage would be fun. Otherwise, it is time to reconfigure the
hangar to start assembling the outer two wing panels now that the
ribs, spars, leading and trailing edges are ready to go. Windscreens
seem like a fun, relatively short term project.
I'm still curious about the height relative to a metric based on pilot
size. That seems like a useful data point for everybody.
Cheers, Ken
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> If possible, I would wait until you can sit in the pilot's seat, with the engine/prop
running, and experiment. Probably won't be a perfect answer but close.
So why not wait on the windscreen design/sizing until after the engine is installed?
>
> Cut some different sizes and hold them up while the prop is producing wind......angle
it, tilt it, resize it....I would think that would get you pretty close....
>
> Jim
> Pryor, OK
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
>>Sent: Aug 29, 2011 1:52 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
>>
>>
>>Folks,
>>
>>I've searched the archives and found lots of discussions through the
>>years about windscreens, but didn't see a thread on the sizing of
>>windscreens. On the motorcycle forums, I found mentions that the top
>>edge of windscreens optimally should lie between the tip and bridge of
>>the rider's nose. Any thoughts, especially positive experiences, on
>>the optimal height and sizing of windscreens for Pietenpols?
>>
>>Thanks, Ken
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
Ken, I have never seen "metric" used as a noun before. The word metric,
according to my dictionary, is an adjective. Would you explain what a
metric is? I will need to decide on the size of a windscreen before too
many more months and would like an explanation of your problem. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Bickers" <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
>
> Jim, that's good advice.
>
> Still, at the moment I've got a bit of a window (no pun intended) to
> take care of incidentals on the project. Right now, the bottom end of
> my engine is at Roy's Garage for installation of a fifth bearing. It
> will be awhile before I get that back and can assemble the engine. My
> engine mount, axle, and spreader bars are at the paint shop being
> powder coated. I was thinking that adding all the doo-dads on the
> fuselage would be fun. Otherwise, it is time to reconfigure the
> hangar to start assembling the outer two wing panels now that the
> ribs, spars, leading and trailing edges are ready to go. Windscreens
> seem like a fun, relatively short term project.
>
> I'm still curious about the height relative to a metric based on pilot
> size. That seems like a useful data point for everybody.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>> <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>>
>> If possible, I would wait until you can sit in the pilot's seat, with the
>> engine/prop running, and experiment. Probably won't be a perfect answer
>> but close. So why not wait on the windscreen design/sizing until after
>> the engine is installed?
>>
>> Cut some different sizes and hold them up while the prop is producing
>> wind......angle it, tilt it, resize it....I would think that would get
>> you pretty close....
>>
>> Jim
>> Pryor, OK
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
>>>Sent: Aug 29, 2011 1:52 PM
>>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
>>>
>>>
>>>Folks,
>>>
>>>I've searched the archives and found lots of discussions through the
>>>years about windscreens, but didn't see a thread on the sizing of
>>>windscreens. On the motorcycle forums, I found mentions that the top
>>>edge of windscreens optimally should lie between the tip and bridge of
>>>the rider's nose. Any thoughts, especially positive experiences, on
>>>the optimal height and sizing of windscreens for Pietenpols?
>>>
>>>Thanks, Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Windscreen sizing |
Keep in mind some of us are taller when we sit down. I may be only 5'11" b
ut I'm 6'3" when I sit down. I like Markle's idea:)
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Date: Mon=2C 29 Aug 2011 14:53:31 -0600
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
> From: bickers.ken@gmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Jim=2C that's good advice.
>
> Still=2C at the moment I've got a bit of a window (no pun intended) to
> take care of incidentals on the project. Right now=2C the bottom end of
> my engine is at Roy's Garage for installation of a fifth bearing. It
> will be awhile before I get that back and can assemble the engine. My
> engine mount=2C axle=2C and spreader bars are at the paint shop being
> powder coated. I was thinking that adding all the doo-dads on the
> fuselage would be fun. Otherwise=2C it is time to reconfigure the
> hangar to start assembling the outer two wing panels now that the
> ribs=2C spars=2C leading and trailing edges are ready to go. Windscreens
> seem like a fun=2C relatively short term project.
>
> I'm still curious about the height relative to a metric based on pilot
> size. That seems like a useful data point for everybody.
>
> Cheers=2C Ken
>
> On Mon=2C Aug 29=2C 2011 at 2:37 PM=2C Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.
com> wrote:
.com>
> >
> > If possible=2C I would wait until you can sit in the pilot's seat=2C wi
th the engine/prop running=2C and experiment. Probably won't be a perfect
answer but close. So why not wait on the windscreen design/sizing until af
ter the engine is installed?
> >
> > Cut some different sizes and hold them up while the prop is producing w
ind......angle it=2C tilt it=2C resize it....I would think that would get y
ou pretty close....
> >
> > Jim
> > Pryor=2C OK
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >>From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
> >>Sent: Aug 29=2C 2011 1:52 PM
> >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
> >>
m>
> >>
> >>Folks=2C
> >>
> >>I've searched the archives and found lots of discussions through the
> >>years about windscreens=2C but didn't see a thread on the sizing of
> >>windscreens. On the motorcycle forums=2C I found mentions that the top
> >>edge of windscreens optimally should lie between the tip and bridge of
> >>the rider's nose. Any thoughts=2C especially positive experiences=2C o
n
> >>the optimal height and sizing of windscreens for Pietenpols?
> >>
> >>Thanks=2C Ken
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
Waldo did not need much, but, as Raymond commented earlier, he wasn't wearing a
headset to be blown off. I am very early in the building process, but the "more
is better" suggestion sounds good to me. I am glad you asked the question,
Ken.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
Chuck,
metric/metrik/
1. Adjective: Of or based on the meter as a unit of length; relating to the metric
system.
2. Noun: A system or standard of measurement.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| Subject: | Windscreen sizing |
Charles (and Ken),
I knew what he meant by 'the metric', but was unable to define it myself.
I'm sure my dad's dictionary would define it as an adjective, too. Since I
live in a more modern time, I have no dictionaries in the house...only the
internet and Wikipedia! Here's a short excerpt:
"...In general relativity, the metric tensor (or simply, the metric) is the
fundamental object of study. It may loosely be thought of as a
generalization of the gravitational field familiar from Newtonian
gravitation. The metric captures all the geometric and causal structure of
spacetime, being used to define notions such as distance, volume, curvature,
angle, future and past..."
Trust me.it gets worse from there!
Or, you may prefer this one:
".The metric space which most closely corresponds to our intuitive
understanding of space is the 3-dimensional
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclidean_space> Euclidean space. In fact, the
notion of "metric" is a generalization of the
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclidean_metric> Euclidean metric arising
from the four long-known properties of the Euclidean distance. The Euclidean
metric defines the distance between two points as the length of the
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_line> straight
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_segment> line segment connecting them.."
Or, you may wish to just look it up for yourself, using Google.
I doubt if Mr. Pietenpol used very many 'metrics'. It most likely went like
this:
Too much wind in my face.need taller wind screen. Or.
Wind screen looks proportionally too tall.need shorter wind screen.
Gary
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
<cncampbell@windstream.net>
Ken, I have never seen "metric" used as a noun before. The word metric,
according to my dictionary, is an adjective. Would you explain what a
metric is? I will need to decide on the size of a windscreen before too
many more months and would like an explanation of your problem. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Bickers" <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
>
> Jim, that's good advice.
>
> Still, at the moment I've got a bit of a window (no pun intended) to
> take care of incidentals on the project. Right now, the bottom end of
> my engine is at Roy's Garage for installation of a fifth bearing. It
> will be awhile before I get that back and can assemble the engine. My
> engine mount, axle, and spreader bars are at the paint shop being
> powder coated. I was thinking that adding all the doo-dads on the
> fuselage would be fun. Otherwise, it is time to reconfigure the
> hangar to start assembling the outer two wing panels now that the
> ribs, spars, leading and trailing edges are ready to go. Windscreens
> seem like a fun, relatively short term project.
>
> I'm still curious about the height relative to a metric based on pilot
> size. That seems like a useful data point for everybody.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>> <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>>
>> If possible, I would wait until you can sit in the pilot's seat, with the
>> engine/prop running, and experiment. Probably won't be a perfect answer
>> but close. So why not wait on the windscreen design/sizing until after
>> the engine is installed?
>>
>> Cut some different sizes and hold them up while the prop is producing
>> wind......angle it, tilt it, resize it....I would think that would get
>> you pretty close....
>>
>> Jim
>> Pryor, OK
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
>>>Sent: Aug 29, 2011 1:52 PM
>>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
>>>
>>>
>>>Folks,
>>>
>>>I've searched the archives and found lots of discussions through the
>>>years about windscreens, but didn't see a thread on the sizing of
>>>windscreens. On the motorcycle forums, I found mentions that the top
>>>edge of windscreens optimally should lie between the tip and bridge of
>>>the rider's nose. Any thoughts, especially positive experiences, on
>>>the optimal height and sizing of windscreens for Pietenpols?
>>>
>>>Thanks, Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Windscreen sizing |
Or, perhaps..."Windscreen too tall - interfers with airflow on the
bottom side of the center section - use goggles instead.
Stinemetze
do not archive - since responding idiot does not have a flying plane
yet
>>> "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net> 8/29/2011 4:30 PM >>>
Or, you may wish to just look it up for yourself, using Google.
I doubt if Mr. Pietenpol used very many metrics. It most likely went
like this:
Too much wind in my faceneed taller wind screen. Or
Wind screen looks proportionally too tallneed shorter wind screen
Gary
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| Subject: | Windscreen sizing |
Ken,
The top of my windscreen is above my eyes, but below the top of my head, as
shown below:
If I had it to do over again, I would make the top of the windscreen even
with or slightly above the top of my head, as John Hofmann's N502R has it in
the picture below:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
The windshields on John Hofmann's "502 Rocket" are taller, and you can
comfortably fly behind them with no goggles or sunglasses, as shown below:
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
Ken,
The motor cycle "metric" does not work on the Pietenpol.
As the air can not be deflected upwards, bottom of wing prevents that.
I tried that at first and now use a wind shield taller inches above "eyebro
w" level.
As stated by others taller windshield is better.
Hans
NX15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:55 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
Folks,
I've searched the archives and found lots of discussions through the
ears about windscreens, but didn't see a thread on the sizing of
indscreens. On the motorcycle forums, I found mentions that the top
dge of windscreens optimally should lie between the tip and bridge of
he rider's nose. Any thoughts, especially positive experiences, on
he optimal height and sizing of windscreens for Pietenpols?
Thanks, Ken
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
Kevin just recently made new windshields, and I requested the front windshield
to be about an inch higher. At the height in this picture, the wind really pushed
around my headgear. Since the adjustment, I can get out of the airplane
looking freshly coiffed. As many of you know, my hair is quite long, so being
able to keep it from flying around is paramount. IMHO I think you will make your
wife or and female front seat passenger more comfortable with a higher windshield.
--------
Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Sure.... Tell me more about your hair.... Lol! The smile says it all
KMH Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 29, 2011, at 6:42 PM, "IT Girl" <shlizbth@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Kevin just recently made new windshields, and I requested the front windshield
to be about an inch higher. At the height in this picture, the wind really
pushed around my headgear. Since the adjustment, I can get out of the airplane
looking freshly coiffed. As many of you know, my hair is quite long, so being
able to keep it from flying around is paramount. IMHO I think you will make
your wife or and female front seat passenger more comfortable with a higher windshield.
>
> --------
> Shelley Tumino
> IT Girl
> wife of "Axel"
> NX899KP
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Brace Wires--Again |
No turnbuckles? John
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> I am using 1/16th cable with swaged on fittings. (still building)
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
As Ike Turner was known to say ".Wimmins be thinkin' too much"
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of IT Girl
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 6:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Windscreen sizing
Kevin just recently made new windshields, and I requested the front
windshield to be about an inch higher. At the height in this picture, the
wind really pushed around my headgear. Since the adjustment, I can get out
of the airplane looking freshly coiffed. As many of you know, my hair is
quite long, so being able to keep it from flying around is paramount. IMHO I
think you will make your wife or and female front seat passenger more
comfortable with a higher windshield.
--------
Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
ask any motercycle driver and he will tell you what to do.
----- Original Message ----
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, August 29, 2011 2:52:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
Folks,
I've searched the archives and found lots of discussions through the
years about windscreens, but didn't see a thread on the sizing of
windscreens. On the motorcycle forums, I found mentions that the top
edge of windscreens optimally should lie between the tip and bridge of
the rider's nose. Any thoughts, especially positive experiences, on
the optimal height and sizing of windscreens for Pietenpols?
Thanks, Ken
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
That's right about where I had the windscreen on my motorcycle, because
that way you are actually looking over it rather than through it. You
have to remember on a motorcycle you don't have a wing 6 inches over
your head funneling the wind back down at you. The taller you can make
it the more comfortable you will be, and the better you will be able to
hear your radio. On a motorcycle the wind keeps going up over your
head, but I doubt that would work for your airplane. I would guess that
my windscreens are probably even or a little bit over the top of my
head. they are a very simple piece of plexiglass attached with 5
aluminum tabs. I had to replace the front one, because somebody got
into it getting in or out, but the pilot's windscreen is still doing
well after 90 hours. It only costs about $10 to replace one, and it
only takes an hour or so to make and install a new one.
Ben Charvet
On 8/29/2011 2:52 PM, Ken Bickers wrote:
> On the motorcycle forums, I found mentions that the top
> edge of windscreens optimally should lie between the tip and bridge of
> the rider's nose. Any thoughts, especially positive experiences, on
> the optimal height and sizing of windscreens for Pietenpols?
>
> Thanks, Ken
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
Terry has the noun just right.
Notice, however, that body parts are often used as metrics. Some examples:
Hand (sorry Terry) is the metric for measuring horses.
Nose is a metric often used by seamstresses for measuring lengths of
thread or twine.
Foot is a metric for measuring length.
Even the statute mile is apparently based on the human body. My
understanding is that the statute mile originally was the average
distance covered by a Roman legion marching 1000 strides (counting
both a left and a right stride as a single stride).
So a metric for optimal windscreen height based on, say, a half
forehead or midway to a nose bridge, would give us a height that would
allow for a windscreen that is tall enough for a particular pilot in a
particular fuselage. Beyond whatever that point is, the windscreen
would begin to edge into a range that might , as Jack says, "look
funny" but without appreciable benefits.
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:24 PM, jarheadpilot82
<jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Chuck,
>
> metric/metrik/
>
> 1. Adjective: Of or based on the meter as a unit of length; relating to the metric
system.
>
> 2. Noun: A system or standard of measurement.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350948#350948
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| Subject: | local evening flying etc |
Well I got Dad out here this- afternoon to fly his piet, he flew for a co
uple hrs or so.- Tonight I got to fly for the last 30 min of daylight, sh
ooting landings, and chasing a Champ around the pattern.-Last-week was
the 1st I had flown since getting back from Brodhead. I-found a-few loo
se bolts on the flywheel upon returning from Brodhead, no wonder Kurt Shipm
an's engine was so much smoother, put some new bolts in the fly wheel, and
some lock-tight on the nuts, and now she is running smooooooothe again.-
I thought is seemed to have a little vibration on the Brodhead trip, but th
ought it might be the prop tape or just my imagination as I had only flown
a couple hrs here and there in the past year.- The 6 AN3 bolts that hold
the flywheel assembly togeather loosened up after all the paint peeled off
the spacer I made 2 years ago.......anyways she runs a lot smoother now and
- she is running great.- Hope those of you on the "Right" Coast are rid
ing
out the storm ok, and not getting your property scattered all about.-
-
-
Hope to see a few of You at either the Taildragger Fly-in at Red Stewart Ai
rport next weekend, or at The Mid Eastern Regional Fly-in at Grimes field t
he 10-11th.
-
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
Ken
My windscreen is actually 19" tall, that leaves it about 3" from the top
to the bottom of the wing center section. I feel the need for it to be
that that because I fly in the winter and that shields my face from the
Wicsonsin air in the winter. I fly at about 20 degrees or higher. I
have had a winscreen that was 12" high in the past and I dont feel any
difference in the rudder.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Bickers
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
Jack, this is helpful. My sense, however, is that you are considerably
taller than me. I'm wondering, if you were to use yourself as a metric,
where is the top of your windscreen relative to your facial features?
Again thanks, Ken
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Jack Phillips
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Ken,
I think you would want it higher than that, and frankly, I'd make it
as tall as possible without looking "funny". Mine are about 10" tall
and I wish I had made them a couple inches taller. Here is a picture of
my installation:
The windshields on John Hofmann=92s =93502 Rocket=94 are taller, and
you can comfortably fly behind them with no goggles or sunglasses, as
shown below:
Hope this helps,
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
<bickers.ken@gmail.com>
Folks,
I've searched the archives and found lots of discussions through the
years about windscreens, but didn't see a thread on the sizing of
windscreens. On the motorcycle forums, I found mentions that the
top
edge of windscreens optimally should lie between the tip and bridge
of
the rider's nose. Any thoughts, especially positive experiences, on
the optimal height and sizing of windscreens for Pietenpols?
Thanks, Ken
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| Subject: | Speaking of local evening flying... |
I just gotta tell ya...some of these evenings we've had lately have been just beautiful.
I've been trying to get up and enjoy them as much as possible. A couple
of nights ago I did a "candy drop" at a football field for my daughters'
football team that they cheer for. It was meet the team night. We taped 10"
long crepe paper streamers to about 600 pieces of candy. I had a bombardier
(another dad) go along with me and we poured all of that candy into one box that
barely fit into the front cockpit with him. We talked to the Police Chief
in town and he was fine with it. They even had an officer there to block off
the street for our bad aim ( a few pieces did end up on the street). It was an
absolute blast to watch the players and cheerleaders and all the other little
kids run for all that candy as I circled back around! Piet flying doesn't get
much better than that!
Only in America and only in a Piet!!!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Windshield height |
"Wimmins be thinkin=99 too much=9D Words of wisdom. So ve
ry true.
This windshield works perfectly. Not there to measure it. Scale the photo?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
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| Subject: | Re: Windshield height |
your a mean man :)
--------
Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | its oficial and it sux |
Got the word today its official come September 30 2011 I am unemployed. So
if anyone knows of a company, job site, freelance or consulting opportunity
having a need for a seasoned Safety Director I would appreciate your
sending them my way or pointing me in their direction.
In advance, thanks
John
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| Subject: | its oficial and it sux |
Really sorry to here about the job loss. Best of luck in the job search.
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 8/29/2011 10:19:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: its oficial and it sux
Got the word today its official come September 30 2011 I am unemployed.. So if
anyone knows of a company, job site, freelance or consulting opportunity having
a need for a seasoned Safety Director I would appreciate your sending them my
way or pointing me in their direction.
In advance, thanks
John
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John,
Please send your information to this address: hedmunds@aol.com
My girlfriend may be able to secure you a position.
Kmheide
KMH Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 29, 2011, at 11:15 PM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
> Got the word today its official come September 30 2011 I am unemployed. So
if anyone knows of a company, job site, freelance or consulting opportunity
having a need for a seasoned Safety Director I would appreciate your sendin
g them my way or pointing me in their direction.
>
> In advance, thanks
>
> John
>
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Oops.. Sorry list. Do not archive
KMH Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 29, 2011, at 11:58 PM, "Kenneth M. Heide" <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com> wrot
e:
> John,
>
> Please send your information to this address: hedmunds@aol.com
> My girlfriend may be able to secure you a position.
>
> Kmheide
>
> KMH Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 29, 2011, at 11:15 PM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Got the word today its official come September 30 2011 I am unemployed. S
o if anyone knows of a company, job site, freelance or consulting opportunit
y having a need for a seasoned Safety Director I would appreciate your sendi
ng them my way or pointing me in their direction.
>>
>> In advance, thanks
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
These are barely adequate.
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Greg%20and%20Dale/images/DSCF0067.JPG
They look good but I get enough turbulence vibrating my goggles that
sometimes it is difficult to read the names on the watertowers.
The top of the windscreen is approximately forehead high on me. I have about
1 - 2 inches of lateral head movement before I start to feel significant
wind buffetting.
Greg Cardinal
>
> Folks,
>
> I've searched the archives and found lots of discussions through the
> years about windscreens, but didn't see a thread on the sizing of
> windscreens. On the motorcycle forums, I found mentions that the top
> edge of windscreens optimally should lie between the tip and bridge of
> the rider's nose. Any thoughts, especially positive experiences, on
> the optimal height and sizing of windscreens for Pietenpols?
>
> Thanks, Ken
>
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