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Tue 09/06/11


Total Messages Posted: 11



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     1. 12:45 AM - Re: World's Smallest Airport (Wizzard187)
     2. 04:19 AM - Re: Fw: Push pull set-up (Jack)
     3. 07:25 AM - Re: Prop-carving CD, The All-Power Tool Method (bender)
     4. 07:40 AM - so much discussion about props (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
     5. 07:42 AM - Re: Re: Prop-carving CD, The All-Power Tool Method (helspersew@aol.com)
     6. 08:28 AM - Re: Prop-carving CD, The All-Power Tool Method (bender)
     7. 10:33 AM - GN-1 PROJECT FOR SALE (Dan Gaston)
     8. 04:31 PM - Re: Re: Prop-carving CD, The All-Power Tool Method (helspersew@aol.com)
     9. 08:54 PM - Push pull set-up (Oscar Zuniga)
    10. 09:06 PM - Re: Re: Prop-carving CD, The All-Power Tool Method (Gboothe5)
    11. 11:17 PM - Re: so much discussion about props (shad bell)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:45:55 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: World's Smallest Airport
    From: Wizzard187 <wizzard187@aol.com>
    You got look at this. -----Original Message----- From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> Sent: Mon, Sep 5, 2011 2:54 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: World's Smallest Airport ail.com> I thought that everyone might enjoy seeing some Athens, GA, local aviation istory. My EAA Chapter president told me about this link, and I thought tha t I ould pass it on. In short, back in the late 1940's, three brothers came back from the war an d had heir own flying circus. This video is a movie trailer for an upcoming ocumentary being filmed about the Thrasher Brothers Aerial Circus. The othe r ink is an article written by the son of one of the Thrasher Brothers that xpands the story a little bit. It is a view of a time when people were thri lled y the aerial exploits of these pilots, but before the spit and polish glitz y ir shows of today. Not quite the Dilhoefer Flying Circus, but still fun to see. Just a fun bit of history, and I also thought that everyone would enjoy see ing he twin ercoupe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R_76LHkU6I http://flagpole.com/Weekly/slackpole/TheWorldsSmallestAirport-29Dec10 http://ercoupe.com/story_4.php -------- emper Fi, Terry Hand ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351492#351492 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -========================


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    Time: 04:19:09 AM PST US
    From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
    Subject: Fw: Push pull set-up
    Ken I believe you are close. Preliminary rigging gives 19 degrees forward and rear throw of the stick. This gives me 30 degrees up and 25 degrees down elevator travel. All my controls are per plans with the exception of my bellcrank. It is Ken Perkins design which is the same size but allows less slack in the rear control cables. Jack DSM _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:16 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Push pull set-up Members: I have set-up my push pull tubes with aircraft grade tie rod ends on the bell crank and support swing arm behind the seat. The measured throw of the stick is 20 degrees in either direction. Since I do not have my tail section in place ( working on making original hinges) not sure what that equates to in inches of movement ( other than stick movement fore and aft of 3.25 inches from neutral position. Question - am I in the ball park for elevator throw? What is the acceptable movement of the stick throw? Any constructive advice much appreciated. See photos (all connection professionally welded). KMHeide


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    Time: 07:25:04 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Prop-carving CD, The All-Power Tool Method
    From: "bender" <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
    You got it Oscar... its a 76x42... here it is installed jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351534#351534 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wood_184.jpg


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    Time: 07:40:51 AM PST US
    From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
    Subject: so much discussion about props
    Is there a resource that one can access that would help define the optimum prop for a Piet? I am looking at the 72" 44 pitch as a possible candidate for mounting on my Lycoming 0235 C1B. There is one available from one of the guys on the airport and am considering it as a possible until I can get up enough self confidence to try carving my own. Not to put the prop before the Piet as it were but lately have been making some progress. I figure being out of work in October I should be ale to make some substantial progress so the plan is to build till I go broke! Its not a perfect plan, but a plan nonetheless. Unless I find a the good fortune to land a job before then. Please advise Thanks John Do not archive Less ya wanna


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    Time: 07:42:25 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Prop-carving CD, The All-Power Tool Method
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Jeff, You should be very proud of that prop. It is absolutely gorgeous. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive


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    Time: 08:28:21 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Prop-carving CD, The All-Power Tool Method
    From: "bender" <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
    Wouldn't have done it without your help Dan.. i've read lots of stuff about carving and didn't quite get it till i got The All-Power Tool Method... and i'm not being paid to say it i have friend that want me to carve wall hangers now... depending on how this one works on the piet i may make spares or other shapes and pitches Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351542#351542


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    Time: 10:33:32 AM PST US
    From: Dan Gaston <design@aerocorpinc.com>
    Subject: GN-1 PROJECT FOR SALE
    I have a GN-1 project for sale. Complete rib set built, tail feathers built fuselage sides built. All wood necessary to complete, including spars. All wood came from Aircraft Spruce. Laser cut 4130 fittings. Continental A-65-8 with carb, mags,hub, logs on engine stand. For details, just e-mail me. I would prefer not to part this out. $4,000.00 for all. I am located in Norwalk, ohio. Thank you, Dan Gaston.


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    Time: 04:31:47 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Prop-carving CD, The All-Power Tool Method
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Jeff, Thank you for the kind words. I myself was amazed at being able to do some thing that I always considered as a "black art", but after having observed Jerry Thornhill at OSH , and having done it myself, I thought that this sim ple set of instructions should be written down and passed on to others. To my knowledge this type of instruction does not exist in this basic form any where else. I can't wait to see how your 42" pitch prop performs. It would be great if you did a thrust test with the "Piet List-Industrial Fish Scale ". Then we all would have some hard data to compare. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: bender <jfaith@solairusaviation.com> Sent: Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:29 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Prop-carving CD, The All-Power Tool Method > Wouldn't have done it without your help Dan.. i've read lots of stuff about carving and didn't quite get it till i got Th e ll-Power Tool Method... and i'm not being paid to say it i have friend that want me to carve wall hangers now... depending on how this one works on the piet i may make spares or other shap es nd pitches ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351542#351542 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -========================


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    Time: 08:54:18 PM PST US
    From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Push pull set-up
    Ken; What I have done many times when I needed to figure out geometries is to get some cardboard, push pins, twine, sticks, and similar materials and just mock up the assembly in 2-D to see if it works. You make the cutouts full-size and then just tack them flat to your work table and see how they work. I'll bet that in 15-20 minutes you could make up your bellcrank, control stick, and pushrod assembly out of stuff you have laying around and then see what kind of elevator travel you get with the available fore-and-aft stick travel. Just put a couple of push pins in the table as "control stops" to limit the stick travel, then see what kind of up and down arc you get from the "elevators"... which can be made out of anything. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford, OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 09:06:35 PM PST US
    From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Prop-carving CD, The All-Power Tool Method
    Jeff, I am in procession of Dan's fish scales, waiting for time to re-pitch my prop.or for someone in immediate need to ask for them. If you want to do thrust test, and use Dan's scales, just email me off-list. Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 4:29 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Prop-carving CD, The All-Power Tool Method Jeff, Thank you for the kind words. I myself was amazed at being able to do something that I always considered as a "black art", but after having observed Jerry Thornhill at OSH , and having done it myself, I thought that this simple set of instructions should be written down and passed on to others. To my knowledge this type of instruction does not exist in this basic form anywhere else. I can't wait to see how your 42" pitch prop performs. It would be great if you did a thrust test with the "Piet List-Industrial Fish Scale". Then we all would have some hard data to compare. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: bender <jfaith@solairusaviation.com> Sent: Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:29 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Prop-carving CD, The All-Power Tool Method Wouldn't have done it without your help Dan.. i've read lots of stuff about carving and didn't quite get it till i got The All-Power Tool Method... and i'm not being paid to say it i have friend that want me to carve wall hangers now... depending on how this one works on the piet i may make spares or other shapes and pitches Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351542#351542 " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 11:17:19 PM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: so much discussion about props
    If you find- 0-235c1-b prop, (especially a metal one) at a good price, it should haul your piet nicely through the air.- At least you're not using one of those "Crank Snappers" from GM.- Those require a massive set of T estosterone carrying sphere shaped aparati which is suposedly inversly prop ortional to the size of the aforementioned pilot's brain, and which may cau se threads on this discussion group for weeks on end, resulting in a way ov er weight aircraft and a run-on sentence my English teacher from high schoo l would keep me after class, not the hot young one but the old gray haired one who smells like Vicks Vapor Rub, and reminds me of the land lord lady f rom the movie Kingpin! - - For All That Is Holy DO NOT ARCHIVE! - Shad Bell




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