---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/07/11: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:17 AM - Prop Carving CD (Jeff Wilson) 2. 03:38 AM - Re: Straight axle dimensions (MaximumBob) 3. 04:03 AM - Re: so much discussion about props (Jerry Dotson) 4. 04:36 AM - Re: Re: Straight axle dimensions (Greg Cardinal) 5. 04:37 AM - Re: Prop Carving CD (helspersew@aol.com) 6. 04:40 AM - Re: Re: metal fittings (Terry Hand) 7. 06:48 AM - Re: Re: so much discussion about props (Amsafetc) 8. 08:23 AM - Re: Prop Carving CD (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 9. 09:48 AM - Re: Push pull set-up (Bill Church) 10. 10:14 AM - Re: Prop Carving CD (helspersew@aol.com) 11. 10:40 AM - Re: Re: Push pull set-up (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 12. 11:48 AM - Brodhead next year (Gene Rambo) 13. 11:58 AM - Re: Brodhead next year based upon OSKOSH see below dates (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 14. 01:33 PM - Re: Prop Carving CD (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 15. 02:23 PM - Re: Push pull set-up (Bill Church) 16. 03:25 PM - Re: Re: metal fittings (George Abernathy) 17. 04:01 PM - Just ordering plans.....Questions (ribill7) 18. 04:27 PM - Re: Re: Push pull set-up (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 19. 05:42 PM - Re: Just ordering plans.....Questions (Amsafetc) 20. 05:47 PM - Re: Just ordering plans.....Questions (Ryan Mueller) 21. 07:07 PM - Rib stitching help (Gboothe5) 22. 07:49 PM - Re: Prop Carving CD (dwilson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:17:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving CD From: Jeff Wilson Hi guys, Before this thread peters out, where can one find or order the "All Power Prop Carving CD"? Does it come in a book form? Jeff Wilson St. Louis, MO Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:38:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Straight axle dimensions From: "MaximumBob" It looks like the McMaster Carr item number is 7767T43 on McMaster.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351639#351639 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:41 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: so much discussion about props From: "Jerry Dotson" I wasn't listening can you say that again? I am taking applications for rib stitcher/lacer helper. So far the only applicant is my 83 year old brother. The upside is he works cheap and wears overalls! He flies over about 4 times a week. John if the price is right you can get a GOOD prop shop to re-pitch it to suit your needs I quote Shad For All That Is Holy DO NOT ARCHIVE! -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 now covering 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 Jay Anderson CloudCars prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351641#351641 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a68_726.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:41 AM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Straight axle dimensions Hi Bob, McMaster-Carr is a great resource but that part number is mild steel. The part number for 4130 steel in size 1 1/5" X .120 is 89955K17. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "MaximumBob" Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 5:36 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Straight axle dimensions > > > It looks like the McMaster Carr item number is 7767T43 on McMaster.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351639#351639 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:22 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving CD From: helspersew@aol.com Jeff, This instructional essay, in CD form (PDF) with detailed photos and diagram s, can be purchased from AircraftSpruce.com or downloaded as an ebook from Aircraft Technical Book http://www.actechbooks.com/products/act615/. Thank you for your interest. (Please note, this is not a video). Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Wilson Sent: Wed, Sep 7, 2011 4:17 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving CD i guys, efore this thread peters out, where can one find or order the "All Power Pr op arving CD"? Does it come in a book form? Jeff Wilson t. Louis, MO Sent from my iPhone -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:27 AM PST US From: Terry Hand Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: metal fittings George, I got your Paypal posting. Do you know whether or not I will have to pay duty on the package? Also, I do not get paid until the 15th of September, so it will be another week before I can send the money out to you. I appreciate your patience, but if someone else wants to purchase and can pay sooner, I understand. I will talk to you in a few days. Terry Hand On Sep 5, 2011, at 11:54 PM, George Abernathy wrote: > Dear Terry, > > Along with your mailing address I need your phone number > > Thanks > > George > > From: jarheadpilot82 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 12:32 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: metal fittings > > > I will tag along with Jake's comment. If you would be interested in selling a set, please contact me off-line. > > jarheadpilot82 (at) gmail (dot) com > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com; --> http://forums.matronics. tronics.com/contribution" ====== > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: so much discussion about props From: Amsafetc Thanks Jerry Actually I was looking for a resource that would tell me or help me determine what those needs are. Long before I make a selection error and commit to purchasing a prop that does not suit my application or my needs. No need in buying an inferior model if it doesn't meet the full measure of the application. Additionally I can see the time in the not too distant future where I will be on need and in the market for a prop. so now is a good time to be researching,learning, shopping or building a prop. John Do not archive Sent from my iPhone On Sep 7, 2011, at 7:01 AM, "Jerry Dotson" wrote: > > I wasn't listening can you say that again? > I am taking applications for rib stitcher/lacer helper. So far the only applicant > is my 83 year old brother. The upside is he works cheap and wears overalls! > He flies over about 4 times a week. > > John if the price is right you can get a GOOD prop shop to re-pitch it to suit > your needs > > I quote Shad For All That Is Holy DO NOT ARCHIVE! > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > now covering > 21" wheels > Lycoming O-235 > Jay Anderson CloudCars prop > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351641#351641 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/a68_726.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:55 AM PST US From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving CD Dan, You should produce Volume II and make a demonstration DVD to go along with the instructional essay. Brian SLC-UT From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 5:35 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving CD Jeff, This instructional essay, in CD form (PDF) with detailed photos and diagrams, can be purchased from AircraftSpruce.com or downloaded as an ebook from Aircraft Technical Book http://www.actechbooks.com/products/act615/. Thank you for your interest. (Please note, this is not a video). Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Wilson Sent: Wed, Sep 7, 2011 4:17 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving CD Hi guys, Before this thread peters out, where can one find or order the "All Power Prop Carving CD"? Does it come in a book form? Jeff Wilson St. Louis, MO Sent from my iPhone " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Push pull set-up From: "Bill Church" Ken, It's impossible to give any definitive answers, since there are no dimensions provided, but unless you have redesigned your elevator bellcrank, I don't think you will get the travel you need. It appears from your photos that your push/pull tube connected to the bellcrank is located at the same level as the connecting tube that joins the rear and front sticks, and it also appears that you have welded on the tabs for cable attachment (per the plans). It should be fairly simple to see that the push/pull tube will not travel nearly as far as the cable attachment points, therefore the result at the bellcrank will not be the same. You would be wise to take Oscar's suggestion, and build a full scale mock-up of your stick/bellcrank/elevator horn arrangement and see what you get. bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351665#351665 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving CD From: helspersew@aol.com Brian, I have been wanting to do just that. As soon as I get caught up with stuff, I would like to pursue that. I think I would insert the video clips into t he appropriate places in the essay. Maybe just "click" on the video clips a s you get to that part? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive -----Original Message----- From: brian.e.jardine Sent: Wed, Sep 7, 2011 10:24 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving CD Dan, You should produce Volume II and make a demonstration DVD to go along with the instructional essay. Brian SLC-UT From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 5:35 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving CD Jeff, This instructional essay, in CD form (PDF) with detailed photos and diagram s, can be purchased from AircraftSpruce.com or downloaded as an ebook from Aircraft Technical Book http://www.actechbooks.com/products/act615/. Thank you for your interest. (Please note, this is not a video). Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Wilson Sent: Wed, Sep 7, 2011 4:17 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving CD Hi guys, Before this thread peters out, where can one find or order the "All Power P rop Carving CD"? Does it come in a book form? Jeff Wilson St. Louis, MO Sent from my iPhone " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution < - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:42 AM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Push pull set-up Bill, Understand. I made my bell crank outer arm attachments outside my fuse similar to that of Dick N. pietenpol from Mpls. The great thing about this is I can change the length (increase or decrease) of the outer bell crank arms for more throw with less stick movement (if needed and vise versa)and, the cable will not ride on the horizontal surface of the tail section. I did a mock-up and found 20 degree upward and 18 degree downward movement of the outer bell crank arms at their current length. Interested in what degrees of upward and down ward movement is needed for full control movement and the amount of stick travel from front to rear. I have 6 1/2" (approx) of stick movement(at the seat level not the top of the stick) measuring with a ruler running from pilot seat top to the rear passenger seat back keeping it level for reference. I am keeping to plans. The front seat stops the front stick and the passenger seat back stop the rear stick. Is this correct? or am I missing something? KMHeide --- On Wed, 9/7/11, Bill Church wrote: > From: Bill Church > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Push pull set-up > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Wednesday, September 7, 2011, 11:46 AM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: "Bill Church" > > Ken, > It's impossible to give any definitive answers, since there > are no dimensions provided, but unless you have redesigned > your elevator bellcrank, I don't think you will get the > travel you need. It appears from your photos that your > push/pull tube connected to the bellcrank is located at the > same level as the connecting tube that joins the rear and > front sticks, and it also appears that you have welded on > the tabs for cable attachment (per the plans). It should be > fairly simple to see that the push/pull tube will not travel > nearly as far as the cable attachment points, therefore the > result at the bellcrank will not be the same. > You would be wise to take Oscar's suggestion, and build a > full scale mock-up of your stick/bellcrank/elevator horn > arrangement and see what you get. > > bill C. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351665#351665 > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:53 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead next year Anyone have the dates of next year handy? I need to bid for vacation for next year . . . . Gene Rambo do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:58:08 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead next year based upon OSKOSH see below dates Gene, The weekend before July 23 would be a good guess based upon the schedule posted by EAA for Airventure dates FUTURE AIRVENTURE DATES: 2012: July 23-29; 2013: July 29-Aug. 4; 2014: July 28-Aug. 3; In a message dated 9/7/2011 2:49:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, generambo@msn.com writes: ____________________________________ Anyone have the dates of next year handy? I need to bid for vacation for next year . . . . Gene Rambo do not archive st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:39 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving CD Great idea, great concept. When do we get to see it? John Do not archive unless Dan says so! In a message dated 9/7/2011 1:15:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, helspersew@aol.com writes: Brian, I have been wanting to do just that. As soon as I get caught up with stuff, I would like to pursue that. I think I would insert the video clips into the appropriate places in the essay. Maybe just "click" on the video clips as you get to that part? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive -----Original Message----- From: brian.e.jardine Sent: Wed, Sep 7, 2011 10:24 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving CD Dan, You should produce Volume II and make a demonstration DVD to go along with the instructional essay. Brian SLC-UT From: _owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com_ (mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com) [_mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com_ (mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com?) ] On Behalf Of _helspersew@aol.com_ (mailto:helspersew@aol.com) Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 5:35 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving CD Jeff, This instructional essay, in CD form (PDF) with detailed photos and diagrams, can be purchased from AircraftSpruce.com or downloaded as an ebook from Aircraft Technical Book _http://www.actechbooks.com/products/act615/_ (http://www.actechbooks.com/products/act615/) . Thank you for your interest. (Please note, this is not a video). Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Wilson <_jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com_ (mailto:jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com) > (mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com) > Sent: Wed, Sep 7, 2011 4:17 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving CD (mailto:jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com) > Hi guys, Before this thread peters out, where can one find or order the "All Power Prop Carving CD"? Does it come in a book form? Jeff Wilson St. Louis, MO Sent from my iPhone " target=_blank>_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) p://forums.matronics.com blank>_http://www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) < - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - _http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) _http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/) _http://www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Push pull set-up From: "Bill Church" Ken, Since you are modifying the arrangement from that shown in the plans, you need to ensure that your modifications will result in basically the same performance as the plans-built system. The net result you are looking for is to ensure that the control surfaces will deflect the proper amount based on normal control stick movements. The plans do not specify the recommended throws for each of the different control surfaces, and there has been some discussion about this in the past (check the archives). However, in the UK, homebuilt aircraft are much more regulated than in North America, and the Light Aircraft Association has produced a set of Type Acceptance Data Sheets for each aircraft approved for manufacture in the UK, and there is one for the Pietenpol Air Camper (see link below). Page 4 of the latest revision of the Pietenpol TADS lists 20 up and 20 down for the recommended elevator deflections. The number of degrees of deflection of the control stick or bellcrank arm is less important than the actual deflection of the control surfaces. However, the length of the bellcrank should be very close to the dimensions of the elevator control horn connections, so the deflections of the two should also be very close. I would suggest that you add the elevator control horns to your mock-up and see what your resulting elevator deflection is. I haven't built my control system yet, so I can't provide personal empirical data but it seems odd that it would require the full use of all possible space to achieve the desired elevator deflections (if I understand you correctly, in saying that the control stick hits the seat front or back in order to achieve the throws you are measuring). Maybe others can comment on that. Basically, every Pietenpol is unique - (some more than others) - and every little change can have numerous effects. Just make sure that you will be able to achieve the recommended deflections AS A MINIMUM. You can always install stops to prevent too much throw, but you won't be able to add more throw if you have nowhere for the stick to go. http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/TADs/047%20PIETENPOL%20AIRCAMPER.pdf Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351688#351688 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:25 PM PST US From: George Abernathy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: metal fittings Dear Terry,=0A=0ANo problem the fifteenth will be here before you know it. You should not have any duty. I know this because I downloaded the three th ousand page tarrif schedule and printed the page for aircraft parts. I will send a copy to everybody.-=0A=0AI am starting on the .063 stuff now. Thi ngs like the wing root pulley brackets and wing pulley brackets. =0A=0A=0AA re you using the traditional piet tail feather hinge fittings? They are .06 3 also. I notice the plans call out for 27 of one of the fiddley bits. =0A =0A=0AType to you later=0A=0AGeorge=0A=0A=0A=0A____________________________ ____=0AFrom: Terry Hand =0ATo: pietenpol-list@m atronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 9:37 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pi etenpol-List: Re: metal fittings=0A=0A=0AGeorge,=0A=0AI got your Paypal pos ting. Do you know whether or not I will have to pay duty on the package? Al so, I do not get paid until the 15th of September, so it will be another we ek before I can send the money out to you.-I appreciate your patience, bu t if someone else wants to purchase and can pay sooner, I understand.=0A=0A I will talk to you in a few days.=0A=0ATerry Hand=0A=0A=0AOn Sep 5, 2011, a t 11:54 PM, George Abernathy wrote:=0A=0ADear Terry,=0A>=0A>=0A>Along with your mailing address I need your phone number=0A>=0A>=0A>Thanks=0A>=0A>=0A> George=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A>From: jarheadpilo t82 =0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Sen t: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 12:32 AM=0A>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: meta arheadpilot82@hotmail.com>=0A>=0A>I will tag along with Jake's comment. If you would be interested in selling a set, please contact me off-line.=0A> =0A>jarheadpilot82 (at) gmail (dot) com=0A>=0A>--------=0A>Semper Fi,=0A> =0A>Terry Hand=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Read this topic online here:=0A>=0A>http: //forums.matronics.com; --> http://forums.matronics.- - - - - - - - - - -tronics.com/contribution"=0A========0A >=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>face="courier new,courier">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://f orums.matronics.com=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:/ =========================0A == ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Just ordering plans.....Questions From: "ribill7" I am just ordering plans for my Pietenpol. I do have some questions of all of you! I am curious as to the landing gear as in the plan and as seen in a few pic on the internet. The plans have wood LG and some of the Pics I've seen have a modern metal LG. Where is this option available from if anybody knows..... Thanks, And Hello to All, Bill Emidy :D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351696#351696 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:34 PM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Push pull set-up Bill, I really appreciate the feedback. I have followed the plans right down to t he tail hinges and all 27 pieces (and more) to make them. Everything is to plans as I have indicated. Here are more photos of my build. In talking and collecting email form othe rs, it appears my 18-20 degrees is in accordance with most providing feedba ck. However, after the tail section is mounted, I will make sure to have fu ll authority of controls before building any further. It is interesting what other fliers and builders have measured for stick mo vement (if we can agree on a fixed point to measure from) and total degrees of up and down elevator travel. Ladies and gentlemen.....enjoy! -KMHeide --- On Wed, 9/7/11, Bill Church wrote: From: Bill Church Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Push pull set-up > Ken, Since you are modifying the arrangement from that shown in the plans, you n eed to ensure that your modifications will result in basically the same per formance as the plans-built system. The net result you are looking for is to ensure that the control surfaces w ill deflect the proper amount based on normal control stick movements. The plans do not specify the recommended throws for each of the different contr ol surfaces, and there has been some discussion about this in the past (che ck the archives). However, in the UK, homebuilt aircraft are much more regu lated than in North America, and the Light Aircraft Association has produce d a set of Type Acceptance Data Sheets for each aircraft approved for manuf acture in the UK, and there is one for the Pietenpol Air Camper (see link b elow). Page 4 of the latest revision of the Pietenpol TADS lists 20=C2=B0 u p and 20=C2=B0 down for the recommended elevator deflections. The number of degrees of deflection of the control stick or bellcrank arm i s less important than the actual deflection of the control surfaces. Howeve r, the length of the bellcrank should be very close to the dimensions of th e elevator control horn connections, so the deflections of the two should a lso be very close. I would suggest that you add the elevator control horns to your mock-up and see what your resulting elevator deflection is. I haven't built my control system yet, so I can't provide personal empirical data but it seems odd th at it would require the full use of all possible space to achieve the desir ed elevator deflections (if I understand you correctly, in saying that the control stick hits the seat front or back in order to achieve the throws yo u are measuring). Maybe others can comment on that. Basically, every Pietenpol is unique - (some more than others) - and every little change can have numerous effects. Just make sure that you will be ab le to achieve the recommended deflections AS A MINIMUM. You can always inst all stops to prevent too much throw, but you won't be able to add more thro w if you have nowhere for the stick to go. http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/TADs/047%20PIETENPOL% 20AIRCAMPER.pdf Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351688#351688 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Just ordering plans.....Questions From: Amsafetc Hello Billy and welcome I am in the midst of my build and up on my wooden gear. I been at it for, well let's say less than a year ( in dogs life years) and the like most, a resident smart ass with still too many questions and few answers however you my good man are in luck. The information you seek cannot be found in the drawings you must read the book and if you look carefully at addendum 14.1 the information and enlightenment you seek will become yours. Now while I flaunt my expert wisdom I will provide additional guidance at no extra charge. Invest in your library and spring for the Tony Bengelis series of books. Those along with renting , purchasing or borrowing a copy of the TGEP or in more less sophisticated and refined circles it's known as The Great Waldo Pepper. There in lies answers to all of the rest of life's problems and situations. From that meager start you will be will prepared to attend Mecca in July Brodhead which I encourage you to attend. I leave you with a welcome to the group a laurel and hardy handshake and the hope to see your active progress reports as you ask all of the same questions we al did. Welcome to the best bunch of folks I have had the good fortune to become associated with and remember Smile son never disconcert the masses John NX895JR LNS 5.5 Sent from my iPhone On Sep 7, 2011, at 6:59 PM, "ribill7" wrote: > > I am just ordering plans for my Pietenpol. I do have some questions of all of you! > I am curious as to the landing gear as in the plan and as seen in a few pic on the internet. > The plans have wood LG and some of the Pics I've seen have a modern metal LG. Where is this option available from if anybody knows..... > > Thanks, > And Hello to All, > Bill Emidy :D > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351696#351696 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:29 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Just ordering plans.....Questions From: Ryan Mueller The standard plans package from the family (the '33 plans) have the drawing for the split axle steel-tube gear. For another $20 you can get a full size print of the original wood landing gear from them.... http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/Product.html On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:59 PM, ribill7 wrote: > > I am just ordering plans for my Pietenpol. I do have some questions of all > of you! > I am curious as to the landing gear as in the plan and as seen in a few pic > on the internet. > The plans have wood LG and some of the Pics I've seen have a modern metal > LG. Where is this option available from if anybody knows..... > > Thanks, > And Hello to All, > Bill Emidy :D > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351696#351696 > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:14 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib stitching help Jerry, Everything is looking VERY nice! We should all touch base with Larry Morlock, who apparently has the ability to entice the help of energetic young women in rib-stitching endeavors....Larry may be willing to shed some light on how that is done! Gary Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:01 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: so much discussion about props I wasn't listening can you say that again? I am taking applications for rib stitcher/lacer helper. So far the only applicant is my 83 year old brother. The upside is he works cheap and wears overalls! He flies over about 4 times a week. John if the price is right you can get a GOOD prop shop to re-pitch it to suit your needs I quote Shad For All That Is Holy DO NOT ARCHIVE! -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 now covering 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 Jay Anderson CloudCars prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351641#351641 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a68_726.jpg ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Prop Carving CD From: "dwilson" Here is a microsoft excel spreadsheet that will calculate the thickness, tangents, Angles, and length of the airfoil Chord at each station. I've attatched it as a PDF. The notes on the sheet should allow anyone to create their own spreadsheet, but if anyone wants the actual spreadsheet send me an email and I'll attach a copy for you. I also have a spreadsheet that calculates that dimensions of a Clark Y airfoil for any given Chord length. I simply draw the airfoils on graph paper. I need some CAD software to draw the airfoils... Dan Wison Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351715#351715 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/prop_carving_calculator_sheet1_557.pdf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.