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1. 03:58 AM - Re: Kennedy Space Center Flyovers (Jerry Dotson)
2. 04:24 AM - Re: Shock Cord (Jack Phillips)
3. 04:28 AM - Push-pull....CG locations (helspersew@aol.com)
4. 07:17 AM - Re: Re: Push pull set-up (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
5. 07:26 AM - Re: Push-pull....CG locations (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
6. 07:45 AM - Re: Shock Cord (Don Emch)
7. 08:13 AM - Re: Re: Shock Cord (Gene Rambo)
8. 08:16 AM - Re: Shock Cord (bender)
9. 08:35 AM - Re: Push-pull....CG locations (Doug Dever)
10. 08:48 AM - Re: Shock Cord (Don Emch)
11. 09:23 AM - Re: Shock Cord (IT Girl)
12. 09:42 AM - Re: Re: Shock Cord (Jack Phillips)
13. 09:46 AM - Re: Re: Shock Cord (Jim Markle)
14. 10:35 AM - Re: Push-pull....CG locations (helspersew@aol.com)
15. 10:46 AM - Re: Re: Shock Cord (Doug Dever)
16. 11:01 AM - Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! (dwilson)
17. 11:31 AM - Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! (bender)
18. 11:42 AM - Re: Kennedy Space Center Flyovers (GliderMike)
19. 02:14 PM - push-pull set-up (Lawrence Williams)
20. 02:28 PM - Re: Re: Shock Cord (Charles Campbell)
21. 04:01 PM - (no subject) (RBush96589@aol.com)
22. 04:12 PM - Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! (helspersew@aol.com)
23. 05:02 PM - Re: Shock Cord (IT Girl)
24. 05:21 PM - Re: Re: Shock Cord (Doug Dever)
25. 05:32 PM - Re: Re: Shock Cord (Gboothe5)
26. 05:57 PM - Re: Push pull set-up (Billy McCaskill)
27. 06:46 PM - Re: Just ordering plans.....Questions (ribill7)
28. 06:58 PM - Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! (Jim Markle)
29. 07:27 PM - Can anyone identify this plane? (Piet2112)
30. 07:35 PM - Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! (Amsafetc)
31. 08:17 PM - Re: Can anyone identify this plane? (Michael Silvius)
32. 11:28 PM - Re: metal fittings (aussiegeorge)
33. 11:29 PM - Re: Shock Cord (IT Girl)
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| Subject: | Re: Kennedy Space Center Flyovers |
Ben,
Wow What a thrill that must have been. That brought back the memory of Apollo
11 launch in 1969. I watched it live through the windscreen of my trusty Luscombe
8A at 10,000 feet. That was quite a show. In those days they would let you
get to the west bank of the Indian River.
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59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop
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I used to use those plastic cable ties on my bungees, but broke enough of
them to seek an alternative. Now I use .041" stainless steel safety wire,
which works very well, biting down into the bungee well enough to hold
securely. I still use at least 3 safety wires in case one of them breaks.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shock Cord
Hi Jeff,
Like Jack, I also used 1/2". I concur that it is a real bear to stretch, but
necessary. Douwe Blumberg told me about these mega-jumbo plastic "wire ties"
that are sold at Home Depot in the heating and air conditioning department
(by the duct work). There is a special tool that they also sell to tighten
them. I used that tool to cinch the bungees together.
Ideally, one would need three men and a boy to help with this
bungee-stretching operation. I have done it alone, by first looping and
attaching one end to the axle by itself, then stretching and lacing, then
finishing by using that aforementioned tool to fasten the tail end. Very
difficult without the extra help to be sure.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: bender <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:54 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shock Cord
Hey Guys..
on the straight axle, i was wondering what size bungees you used..??
i remember the last plane i built i tried to use something like 1/2 inch and
discovered that it was almost impossible to wrap...preload... and adjust..
so i
ended up with about half hat size... like 1/4 inch stuff.
it was a lighter plane..
i'm thinking longer lengths of 5/16 or two lengths on each side.
BTW ratings i found were
5/16......... 350 lbs
3/8............400 lbs
1/2............ 450 lbs
these are on a single strand of cord..... so more wraps of smaller cord
could be
as strong as fewer wraps of large cord with more control of tightness right
??
jeff
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| Subject: | Push-pull....CG locations |
watch your CG, the Piet even with a
Model-A and water filled Radiator up front comes out with and aft CG closes
to
the limit.
This is not always true. NX929DH is nose-heavy, have to input nose-up bunge
e trim to fly level. I also adjusted down the LE of the horizontal stab to
help raise the nose.
*Pilot weight: 150 Lbs.
*Model A, Gleaner Combine "diamond" block (8 lbs heavier)
*Brass radiator
*Vertical cabanes
*Jenny gear
Walt Bowe (Calif.) told me that his is nose heavy also.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Push pull set-up |
Agree, the wings will be moved back. I did add a extra length forward to of
f-set my weight. I guess I will find out shortly after I mount the tail sec
tion. Surly I don't need a 350 Chevrolet up front to offset my weight.....a
s least I don't think so yet!
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Push pull set-up
Didn't realize that the "tail strength" was something that needed to be add
ressed. So, with your built to the plans (apart from larger external bell c
rank, trim system, and fully sheeted plywood fuselage that only adds 1.45 l
bs aft of the pilot) Pietenpol, it will be interesting to see how far back
you have to move the wing..at 280, I guarantee it will have to com
e back, just curious to see how much.
Ryan
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On Sep 9, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Kenneth M. Heide wrote:
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>>> No- there is no extra weight behind the CG. Everything is to plans with
the trim system (aluminum) installed due to my weight 280lbs. Holding stic
k pressure it fine but I prefer trim to assist with that. Also, the weight
of my trim system is 1.45 lbs. acceptable to me, not excessive by any means
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with a Model-A and water filled Radiator up front comes out with and aft CG
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| Subject: | Re: Push-pull....CG locations |
Fat pilots like me love to fly too!
A few years ago I build from a kit the new LSA Challenger II from Quad Citi
es. This airplane was a rear pusher type using a 503 Rotax engine. Everythi
ng hangs behind/aft of the wing. After completing their factory kit, I had
to add 40 lbs to the nose section to get the front wheel to touch the groun
d! My mechanic and I were completely puzzled as the design create such a ta
il heavy aircraft.-
-KMHeide
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From: helspersew@aol.com <helspersew@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push-pull....CG locations
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=0A-watch your CG, the Piet even with a
=0AModel-A and water filled Radiator up front comes out with and aft CG clo
ses to
=0Athe limit.
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=0AThis is not always true.-NX929DH is nose-heavy, have to input nose-up
bungee trim to fly level. I also adjusted down the LE of the horizontal sta
b to help raise the nose.=0A=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0A*Pilot weight: 150 Lbs.=0A=0A
=0A*Model A, Gleaner Combine "diamond" block (8 lbs heavier)=0A=0A=0A*Brass
radiator=0A=0A=0A*Vertical cabanes=0A=0A=0A*Jenny gear=0A=0A=0A-=0A=0A
=0AWalt Bowe (Calif.) told me that his is nose heavy also.=0A=0A=0A-=0A
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A come-along, bloody fingers, and cussing are all requirements of the bungee operation
for me. I had to go to 5/8" and wrap really really tight.
Good Luck!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Yea=2C Don=2C but you've got the Piper-type gear don't you???
Gene
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord
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bungee operation for me. I had to go to 5/8" and wrap really really tight.
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I kinda thought this would be the answer....
i looked at the kitfox list and saw the use of a smaller size but longer lengths.....
more wraps....
seems that more wraps of easier to deal with cord would serve the same purpose..
i've been looking at all the flying and glider manuals too... for thoughts at that
time..
thanks gentleman
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Push-pull....CG locations |
Nice to know.- Mine should be about right then at a pilot weight of 170.
- Btw dan, did you have to move your wing at all to compensate?- Cabane
s in your pics seem pretty vertical to me.=0A=0A=0AFrom: "helspersew@aol.co
m" <helspersew@aol.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday
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er filled Radiator up front comes out with and aft CG closes to =0Athe limi
t.=0A=0AThis is not always true.-NX929DH is nose-heavy, have to input nos
e-up bungee trim to fly level. I also adjusted down the LE of the horizonta
l stab to help raise the nose.=0A=0A*Pilot weight: 150 Lbs.=0A*Model A, Gle
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Yes Gene...With the steel tube gear it really is a much different comparison.
The nice thing about the straight axle is you can add some more wraps if needed.
With my gear that is difficult to do, not much room. The next Pietenpol I
build (Ha Ha) is going to have the straight axle.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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We started with the bungee... used a come along and a gator with a wench and lots
of clamps to get it stretched adequately. We also had wire safety lines,
and plastic zip ties. After last summer, we just switched to springs. The bungee
was too much drama when it failed.
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Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
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Were you the Wench, Shelley?
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Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of IT Girl
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 12:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord
We started with the bungee... used a come along and a gator with a wench and
lots of clamps to get it stretched adequately. We also had wire safety
lines, and plastic zip ties. After last summer, we just switched to
springs. The bungee was too much drama when it failed.
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Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
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>We started with the bungee... used a come along and a gator with a wench and lots
of clamps to get it stretched adequately.
[Jim] I have a come along and plenty of clamps but I don't want to get my ex-wife
involved....
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| Subject: | Re: Push-pull....CG locations |
Doug,
Wings are to plans. Cabanes vertical.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Doug Dever <helio400@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:35 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Push-pull....CG locations
Nice to know. Mine should be about right then at a pilot weight of 170. B
tw dan, did you have to move your wing at all to compensate? Cabanes in yo
ur pics seem pretty vertical to me.
From: "helspersew@aol.com" <helspersew@aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 7:26 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push-pull....CG locations
watch your CG, the Piet even with a
Model-A and water filled Radiator up front comes out with and aft CG closes
to
the limit.
This is not always true. NX929DH is nose-heavy, have to input nose-up bunge
e trim to fly level. I also adjusted down the LE of the horizontal stab to
help raise the nose.
*Pilot weight: 150 Lbs.
*Model A, Gleaner Combine "diamond" block (8 lbs heavier)
*Brass radiator
*Vertical cabanes
*Jenny gear
Walt Bowe (Calif.) told me that his is nose heavy also.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Yeah,- brings back memories of our Tri-Pacer.- Certainly got my attenti
on!=0A-=0ADoug Dever=0AIn beautiful Stow Ohio=0A=0AFrom: IT Girl <shlizbt
h@gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, September
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with the bungee... used a come along and a gator with a wench and lots of
clamps to get it stretched- adequately.- We also had wire safety lines,
and plastic zip ties.- After last summer, we just switched to springs.
- The bungee was too much drama when it failed.=0A=0A--------=0AShelley T
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| Subject: | Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! |
Visualizing the front view of the prop, I get it. Drawing the Leading and Trailing
edges on the side of the blank, got that too ! What the airfoil at each
station looks like if you were looking down the blade from the tip to the hub,
well that was more difficult for me to see. Here is what I came up with and
my plan to remove just the right amount of material to end up with a propeller.
I've mounted a digital caliper to the drill press so I can drill a series of
1/16 inch holes along a line on the face of the prop blank at each station.
The digital caliper should allow me to control the depth of the hole to with-in
about 1/8 of and inch from the actual airfoil surface. The wood remaining
can be removed with the angle grinder or orbital sander. Any thoughts or suggestions.
I'm going to try the lancelot blade from King Arthur Tools mounted in a 4 1/2 inch
angle grinder.
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| Subject: | Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! |
i had fun with the chainsaw method...
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Kennedy Space Center Flyovers |
Dan, There is an airport in Western Oklahoma - Clinton Sherman - that has 13,500
ft of runway. It used to be an Air Force Base, and was de-commissioned in the
'60's. There is a control tower there (or at least used to be) that was open
from 7 or 8 am til 5 or 6 pm weekdays. I made 3 take offs and landings to a
full stop, with a climb to 1,000 ft agl in between each take off in the 1957
Cessna 182 I used to own, several years ago.
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HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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| Subject: | push-pull set-up |
Admittedly I haven't seen any pictures of your set-up but you speak of external
bellcranks and some sort of elevator trim system yet keep insisting that it's
"to the plans". Pray tell what plans you are using or what airplane you are building.
Larry W.
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Doug, back in the 80's I rebuilt a Tri-Pacer and made a tail dragger out
of it. I put new bungees on. Someone had devised a tool that we passed
around to others that were rebuilding Tri-Pacers -- with that tool it
was no trouble at all. I have forgotten what it was like. C
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From: Doug Dever
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord
Yeah, brings back memories of our Tri-Pacer. Certainly got my
attention!
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: IT Girl <shlizbth@gmail.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 12:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord
We started with the bungee... used a come along and a gator with a
wench and lots of clamps to get it stretched adequately. We also had
wire safety lines, and plastic zip ties. After last summer, we just
switched to springs. The bungee was too much drama when it failed.
--------
Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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hello all,
I just finished reading the latest update on flycorvair.com from William
Wynne.
the last part of the update tells of how close he and his father came
to being in tower number two on 9/11/2001.it is an interesting story and
makes you come to realize how
fortunate many of us are.
with the tenth anniversary of that day coming up tomorrow and with the
war that it led to
still going on got me to thinking how lucky I am to be where I am and to be
able to build
fly and enjoy my own airplane.and also as a stepfather of a son who did a
tour of afghanistan
with the army in the middle of it all.I would like to say thank you to the
members of this list who have served their country through this war and in
those past. I don't think you hear it often enough.
Beutiful morning to fly here in west TN.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
Miss Le Bec
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Hi Dan,
It sounds like that would work. It also sounds like you bettta be beeerrrrr
y careful when you drill those holes so they don't get too deep.
If it were me, I would do as our good amigo from south of the border, Santi
ago from Argentina did. He made templates from cardboard of the airfoils at
each station, and split them at the leading edge and trailing edge lines.
Then, when you started getting close (with the chainsaw) you could keep try
ing the templates at each blade station. Shouldn't be too hard. .....but th
at's me.
I am sure you will be successful in whatever method you choose.
Any special reason you chose the Clark Y?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
-----Original Message-----
From: dwilson <marwilson@charter.net>
Sent: Sat, Sep 10, 2011 1:01 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !
Visualizing the front view of the prop, I get it. Drawing the Leading and
railing edges on the side of the blank, got that too ! What the airfoil at
ach station looks like if you were looking down the blade from the tip to t
he
ub, well that was more difficult for me to see. Here is what I came up wit
h
nd my plan to remove just the right amount of material to end up with a
ropeller. I've mounted a digital caliper to the drill press so I can drill
a
eries of 1/16 inch holes along a line on the face of the prop blank at eac
h
tation. The digital caliper should allow me to control the depth of the ho
le
o with-in about 1/8 of and inch from the actual airfoil surface. The wood
emaining can be removed with the angle grinder or orbital sander. Any thou
ghts
r suggestions.
I'm going to try the lancelot blade from King Arthur Tools mounted in a 4 1
/2
nch angle grinder.
ead this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351908#351908
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Jack.... I love you too!
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IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
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I don't remember it being too much trouble. An A & P friend did it for us.
I do=2C however=2C remember it getting my attention when it broke!
I had just touched down and the nose gear wasn'rt even down yet. I didn't
get my adrenaline pumping as much as the 2 in flight electrical fires thoug
h.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: cncampbell@windstream.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord
Doug=2C back in the 80's I rebuilt a Tri-Pacer and made a tail dragger out
of it. I put new bungees on. Someone had devised a tool that we passed ar
ound to others that were rebuilding Tri-Pacers -- with that tool it was no
trouble at all. I have forgotten what it was like. C
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From: Doug Dever
Sent: Saturday=2C September 10=2C 2011 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord
Yeah=2C brings back memories of our Tri-Pacer. Certainly got my attention
!
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: IT Girl <shlizbth@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday=2C September 10=2C 2011 12:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord
We started with the bungee... used a come along and a gator with a wench an
d lots of clamps to get it stretched adequately. We also had wire safety
lines=2C and plastic zip ties. After last summer=2C we just switched to sp
rings. The bungee was too much drama when it failed.
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IT Girl
wife of "=3BAxel"=3B
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Maybe you had TWO wenches.?
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Dever
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 5:19 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord
I don't remember it being too much trouble. An A & P friend did it for us.
I do, however, remember it getting my attention when it broke!
I had just touched down and the nose gear wasn'rt even down yet. I didn't
get my adrenaline pumping as much as the 2 in flight electrical fires
though.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
_____
From: cncampbell@windstream.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord
Doug, back in the 80's I rebuilt a Tri-Pacer and made a tail dragger out of
it. I put new bungees on. Someone had devised a tool that we passed around
to others that were rebuilding Tri-Pacers -- with that tool it was no
trouble at all. I have forgotten what it was like. C
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Dever <mailto:helio400@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord
Yeah, brings back memories of our Tri-Pacer. Certainly got my attention!
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: IT Girl <shlizbth@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 12:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord
We started with the bungee... used a come along and a gator with a wench and
lots of clamps to get it stretched adequately. We also had wire safety
lines, and plastic zip ties. After last summer, we just switched to
springs. The bungee was too much drama when it failed.
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IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
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If you use the 350 Chevy motor (hey, it's liquid cooled too!), then you probably
will wind up with not having to move the wing back and you'll have the cabanes
vertical...
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Hey thanks to everybody that gave some input.........
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Any idea HOW Santiago (or anyone) created the templates for each station? Software?
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From: helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Sep 10, 2011 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !
Hi Dan,
It sounds like that would work. It also sounds like you bettta be beeerrrrry careful
when you drill those holes so they don't get too deep.
If it were me, I would do as our good amigo from south of the border, Santiago
from Argentina did. He made templates from cardboard of the airfoils at each station,
and split them at the leading edge and trailing edge lines. Then, when
you started getting close (with the chainsaw) you could keep trying the templates
at each blade station. Shouldn't be too hard. .....but that's me.
I am sure you will be successful in whatever method you choose.
Any special reason you chose the Clark Y?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
-----Original Message-----
From: dwilson <marwilson@charter.net>
Sent: Sat, Sep 10, 2011 1:01 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !
Visualizing the front view of the prop, I get it. Drawing the Leading and
Trailing edges on the side of the blank, got that too ! What the airfoil at
each station looks like if you were looking down the blade from the tip to the
hub, well that was more difficult for me to see. Here is what I came up with
and my plan to remove just the right amount of material to end up with a
propeller. I've mounted a digital caliper to the drill press so I can drill a
series of 1/16 inch holes along a line on the face of the prop blank at each
station. The digital caliper should allow me to control the depth of the hole
to with-in about 1/8 of and inch from the actual airfoil surface. The wood
remaining can be removed with the angle grinder or orbital sander. Any thoughts
or suggestions.
I'm going to try the lancelot blade from King Arthur Tools mounted in a 4 1/2
inch angle grinder.
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| Subject: | Can anyone identify this plane? |
My father discovered it in a building near his house.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! |
As difficult as it may become the idea of carving my own prop is certainly enticing.
A couple of planks 76 inches long and 8 inches wide some titebond 3 and
an electric chain saw.
I got the saw, sawhorses,clamps,benches all I need is the profile and lots of who
knows what to start hacking away and removing all the pieces that don't look
like a propeller. Once that task is complete I should be left with a propeller
Right. No biggie. I been thinkin on it for some time just need to get the wood
and get gluon.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 10, 2011, at 9:55 PM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> Any idea HOW Santiago (or anyone) created the templates for each station? Software?
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: helspersew@aol.com
>
> Sent: Sep 10, 2011 6:09 PM
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> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !
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> Hi Dan,
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> It sounds like that would work. It also sounds like you bettta be beeerrrrry
careful when you drill those holes so they don't get too deep.
>
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>
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>
> If it were me, I would do as our good amigo from south of the border, Santiago
from Argentina did. He made templates from cardboard of the airfoils at each
station, and split them at the leading edge and trailing edge lines. Then, when
you started getting close (with the chainsaw) you could keep trying the templates
at each blade station. Shouldn't be too hard. .....but that's me.
>
>
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>
> I am sure you will be successful in whatever method you choose.
>
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>
> Any special reason you chose the Clark Y?
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> Dan Helsper
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>
> Puryear, TN.
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>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: dwilson <marwilson@charter.net>
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> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>
> Sent: Sat, Sep 10, 2011 1:01 pm
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !
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> Visualizing the front view of the prop, I get it. Drawing the Leading and
> Trailing edges on the side of the blank, got that too ! What the airfoil at
> each station looks like if you were looking down the blade from the tip to the
> hub, well that was more difficult for me to see. Here is what I came up with
> and my plan to remove just the right amount of material to end up with a
> propeller. I've mounted a digital caliper to the drill press so I can drill
a
> series of 1/16 inch holes along a line on the face of the prop blank at each
> station. The digital caliper should allow me to control the depth of the hole
> to with-in about 1/8 of and inch from the actual airfoil surface. The wood
> remaining can be removed with the angle grinder or orbital sander. Any thoughts
> or suggestions.
>
> I'm going to try the lancelot blade from King Arthur Tools mounted in a 4 1/2
> inch angle grinder.
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351908#351908
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| Subject: | Re: Can anyone identify this plane? |
Curt:
See page 48 of the 1933 Flying and Glider Manual...
Given the unique rudder and wire braced wings I am thinking Henderson
Longster.
http://www.rcflyg.se/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=16299&d=1290073384
http://media.photobucket.com/image/henderson+longster+/tempuskenny/Motorcycles/WAAAM%20Motorcycles/080415HendersonMCEnginein1930Homebu.jpg
Michael Silvius
----- Original Message -----
From: "Piet2112" <curtdm@gmail.com>
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> My father discovered it in a building near his house.
>
> Curt Merdan
> Flower Mound, TX
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Hi all just put a you tube up showing how to bend the elevator fitting at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB9E43TuaFM
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Well... Kevin was there too :)
[quote="gboothe5(at)comcast.net"]Maybe you had TWO wenches?
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Dever
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 5:19 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Re: Shock Cord
I don't remember it being too much trouble. An A & P friend did it for us. I do,
however, remember it getting my attention when it broke!
I had just touched down and the nose gear wasn'rt even down yet. I didn't get
my adrenaline pumping as much as the 2 in flight electrical fires though.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: cncampbell@windstream.net
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Shock Cord
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 17:26:01 -0400
Doug, back in the 80's I rebuilt a Tri-Pacer and made a tail dragger out of it.
I put new bungees on. Someone had devised a tool that we passed around to others
that were rebuilding Tri-Pacers -- with that tool it was no trouble at all.
I have forgotten what it was like. C
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Doug Dever (helio400@yahoo.com)
>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com (pietenpol-list@matronics.com)
>
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 1:44 PM
>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord
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Yeah, brings back memories of our Tri-Pacer. Certainly got my attention!
>
>
>
> Doug Dever
>
> In beautiful Stow Ohio
>
>
>
> From: IT Girl
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com (pietenpol-list@matronics.com)
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 12:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Shock Cord
>
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> We started with the bungee... used a come along and a gator with a wench and
lots of clamps to get it stretched adequately. We also had wire safety lines,
and plastic zip ties. After last summer, we just switched to springs. The
bungee was too much drama when it failed.
>
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> Shelley Tumino
> IT Girl
> wife of "Axel"
> NX899KP
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