---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/10/11: 33 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:58 AM - Re: Kennedy Space Center Flyovers (Jerry Dotson) 2. 04:24 AM - Re: Shock Cord (Jack Phillips) 3. 04:28 AM - Push-pull....CG locations (helspersew@aol.com) 4. 07:17 AM - Re: Re: Push pull set-up (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 5. 07:26 AM - Re: Push-pull....CG locations (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 6. 07:45 AM - Re: Shock Cord (Don Emch) 7. 08:13 AM - Re: Re: Shock Cord (Gene Rambo) 8. 08:16 AM - Re: Shock Cord (bender) 9. 08:35 AM - Re: Push-pull....CG locations (Doug Dever) 10. 08:48 AM - Re: Shock Cord (Don Emch) 11. 09:23 AM - Re: Shock Cord (IT Girl) 12. 09:42 AM - Re: Re: Shock Cord (Jack Phillips) 13. 09:46 AM - Re: Re: Shock Cord (Jim Markle) 14. 10:35 AM - Re: Push-pull....CG locations (helspersew@aol.com) 15. 10:46 AM - Re: Re: Shock Cord (Doug Dever) 16. 11:01 AM - Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! (dwilson) 17. 11:31 AM - Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! (bender) 18. 11:42 AM - Re: Kennedy Space Center Flyovers (GliderMike) 19. 02:14 PM - push-pull set-up (Lawrence Williams) 20. 02:28 PM - Re: Re: Shock Cord (Charles Campbell) 21. 04:01 PM - (no subject) (RBush96589@aol.com) 22. 04:12 PM - Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! (helspersew@aol.com) 23. 05:02 PM - Re: Shock Cord (IT Girl) 24. 05:21 PM - Re: Re: Shock Cord (Doug Dever) 25. 05:32 PM - Re: Re: Shock Cord (Gboothe5) 26. 05:57 PM - Re: Push pull set-up (Billy McCaskill) 27. 06:46 PM - Re: Just ordering plans.....Questions (ribill7) 28. 06:58 PM - Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! (Jim Markle) 29. 07:27 PM - Can anyone identify this plane? (Piet2112) 30. 07:35 PM - Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! (Amsafetc) 31. 08:17 PM - Re: Can anyone identify this plane? (Michael Silvius) 32. 11:28 PM - Re: metal fittings (aussiegeorge) 33. 11:29 PM - Re: Shock Cord (IT Girl) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:58:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Kennedy Space Center Flyovers From: "Jerry Dotson" Ben, Wow What a thrill that must have been. That brought back the memory of Apollo 11 launch in 1969. I watched it live through the windscreen of my trusty Luscombe 8A at 10,000 feet. That was quite a show. In those days they would let you get to the west bank of the Indian River. do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 now covering 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 Jay Anderson CloudCars prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351874#351874 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:49 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Shock Cord I used to use those plastic cable ties on my bungees, but broke enough of them to seek an alternative. Now I use .041" stainless steel safety wire, which works very well, biting down into the bungee well enough to hold securely. I still use at least 3 safety wires in case one of them breaks. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 7:59 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shock Cord Hi Jeff, Like Jack, I also used 1/2". I concur that it is a real bear to stretch, but necessary. Douwe Blumberg told me about these mega-jumbo plastic "wire ties" that are sold at Home Depot in the heating and air conditioning department (by the duct work). There is a special tool that they also sell to tighten them. I used that tool to cinch the bungees together. Ideally, one would need three men and a boy to help with this bungee-stretching operation. I have done it alone, by first looping and attaching one end to the axle by itself, then stretching and lacing, then finishing by using that aforementioned tool to fasten the tail end. Very difficult without the extra help to be sure. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: bender Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:54 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shock Cord Hey Guys.. on the straight axle, i was wondering what size bungees you used..?? i remember the last plane i built i tried to use something like 1/2 inch and discovered that it was almost impossible to wrap...preload... and adjust.. so i ended up with about half hat size... like 1/4 inch stuff. it was a lighter plane.. i'm thinking longer lengths of 5/16 or two lengths on each side. BTW ratings i found were 5/16......... 350 lbs 3/8............400 lbs 1/2............ 450 lbs these are on a single strand of cord..... so more wraps of smaller cord could be as strong as fewer wraps of large cord with more control of tightness right ?? jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351822#351822 " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:28:42 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push-pull....CG locations From: helspersew@aol.com watch your CG, the Piet even with a Model-A and water filled Radiator up front comes out with and aft CG closes to the limit. This is not always true. NX929DH is nose-heavy, have to input nose-up bunge e trim to fly level. I also adjusted down the LE of the horizontal stab to help raise the nose. *Pilot weight: 150 Lbs. *Model A, Gleaner Combine "diamond" block (8 lbs heavier) *Brass radiator *Vertical cabanes *Jenny gear Walt Bowe (Calif.) told me that his is nose heavy also. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:57 AM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Push pull set-up Agree, the wings will be moved back. I did add a extra length forward to of f-set my weight. I guess I will find out shortly after I mount the tail sec tion. Surly I don't need a 350 Chevrolet up front to offset my weight.....a s least I don't think so yet! =C2-KMHeide --- On Sat, 9/10/11, Ryan Mueller wrote: From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Push pull set-up Didn't realize that the "tail strength" was something that needed to be add ressed. So, with your built to the plans (apart from larger external bell c rank, trim system, and fully sheeted plywood fuselage that only adds 1.45 l bs aft of the pilot) Pietenpol, it will be interesting to see how far back you have to move the wing..at 280, I guarantee it will have to com e back, just curious to see how much. Ryan do not archive On Sep 9, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Kenneth M. Heide wrote: o.com> > > Thanks you for your input, much appreciated. > > I used a wood 1/8 bottom for an inspection access and tail strength (assu rance). > > KMH Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 9, 2011, at 2:06 PM, "womenfly2" wrote: > m> >> >> >>> No- there is no extra weight behind the CG. Everything is to plans with the trim system (aluminum) installed due to my weight 280lbs. Holding stic k pressure it fine but I prefer trim to assist with that. Also, the weight of my trim system is 1.45 lbs. acceptable to me, not excessive by any means ! >> >> >> .... including the plywood bottom? anyway, watch your CG, the Piet even with a Model-A and water filled Radiator up front comes out with and aft CG closes to the limit. >> >> -------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351825#351825 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > t S WEB FORUMS - on Web Site - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:59 AM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Push-pull....CG locations Fat pilots like me love to fly too! A few years ago I build from a kit the new LSA Challenger II from Quad Citi es. This airplane was a rear pusher type using a 503 Rotax engine. Everythi ng hangs behind/aft of the wing. After completing their factory kit, I had to add 40 lbs to the nose section to get the front wheel to touch the groun d! My mechanic and I were completely puzzled as the design create such a ta il heavy aircraft.- -KMHeide --- On Sat, 9/10/11, helspersew@aol.com wrote: From: helspersew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push-pull....CG locations =0A =0A-watch your CG, the Piet even with a =0AModel-A and water filled Radiator up front comes out with and aft CG clo ses to =0Athe limit. =0A =0AThis is not always true.-NX929DH is nose-heavy, have to input nose-up bungee trim to fly level. I also adjusted down the LE of the horizontal sta b to help raise the nose.=0A=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0A*Pilot weight: 150 Lbs.=0A=0A =0A*Model A, Gleaner Combine "diamond" block (8 lbs heavier)=0A=0A=0A*Brass radiator=0A=0A=0A*Vertical cabanes=0A=0A=0A*Jenny gear=0A=0A=0A-=0A=0A =0AWalt Bowe (Calif.) told me that his is nose heavy also.=0A=0A=0A-=0A =0A=0ADan Helsper=0A=0A=0APuryear, TN =========================0A =0A=0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord From: "Don Emch" A come-along, bloody fingers, and cussing are all requirements of the bungee operation for me. I had to go to 5/8" and wrap really really tight. Good Luck! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351886#351886 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:42 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord Yea=2C Don=2C but you've got the Piper-type gear don't you??? Gene do not archive > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord > From: EmchAir@aol.com > Date: Sat=2C 10 Sep 2011 07:43:22 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > A come-along=2C bloody fingers=2C and cussing are all requirements of the bungee operation for me. I had to go to 5/8" and wrap really really tight. > Good Luck! > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351886#351886 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord From: "bender" I kinda thought this would be the answer.... i looked at the kitfox list and saw the use of a smaller size but longer lengths..... more wraps.... seems that more wraps of easier to deal with cord would serve the same purpose.. i've been looking at all the flying and glider manuals too... for thoughts at that time.. thanks gentleman jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351887#351887 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:16 AM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Push-pull....CG locations Nice to know.- Mine should be about right then at a pilot weight of 170. - Btw dan, did you have to move your wing at all to compensate?- Cabane s in your pics seem pretty vertical to me.=0A=0A=0AFrom: "helspersew@aol.co m" =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday , September 10, 2011 7:26 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Push-pull....CG loc ations=0A=0A=0A=0A-watch your CG, the Piet even with a =0AModel-A and wat er filled Radiator up front comes out with and aft CG closes to =0Athe limi t.=0A=0AThis is not always true.-NX929DH is nose-heavy, have to input nos e-up bungee trim to fly level. I also adjusted down the LE of the horizonta l stab to help raise the nose.=0A=0A*Pilot weight: 150 Lbs.=0A*Model A, Gle aner Combine "diamond" block (8 lbs heavier)=0A*Brass radiator=0A*Vertical cabanes=0A*Jenny gear=0A=0AWalt Bowe (Calif.) told me that his is nose heav ==== ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord From: "Don Emch" Yes Gene...With the steel tube gear it really is a much different comparison. The nice thing about the straight axle is you can add some more wraps if needed. With my gear that is difficult to do, not much room. The next Pietenpol I build (Ha Ha) is going to have the straight axle. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351890#351890 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:53 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord From: "IT Girl" We started with the bungee... used a come along and a gator with a wench and lots of clamps to get it stretched adequately. We also had wire safety lines, and plastic zip ties. After last summer, we just switched to springs. The bungee was too much drama when it failed. -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351895#351895 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:28 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord Were you the Wench, Shelley? Do Not Archive Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of IT Girl Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 12:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord We started with the bungee... used a come along and a gator with a wench and lots of clamps to get it stretched adequately. We also had wire safety lines, and plastic zip ties. After last summer, we just switched to springs. The bungee was too much drama when it failed. -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351895#351895 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:00 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord > >We started with the bungee... used a come along and a gator with a wench and lots of clamps to get it stretched adequately. [Jim] I have a come along and plenty of clamps but I don't want to get my ex-wife involved.... ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Push-pull....CG locations From: helspersew@aol.com Doug, Wings are to plans. Cabanes vertical. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Doug Dever Sent: Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:35 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Push-pull....CG locations Nice to know. Mine should be about right then at a pilot weight of 170. B tw dan, did you have to move your wing at all to compensate? Cabanes in yo ur pics seem pretty vertical to me. From: "helspersew@aol.com" Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 7:26 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push-pull....CG locations watch your CG, the Piet even with a Model-A and water filled Radiator up front comes out with and aft CG closes to the limit. This is not always true. NX929DH is nose-heavy, have to input nose-up bunge e trim to fly level. I also adjusted down the LE of the horizontal stab to help raise the nose. *Pilot weight: 150 Lbs. *Model A, Gleaner Combine "diamond" block (8 lbs heavier) *Brass radiator *Vertical cabanes *Jenny gear Walt Bowe (Calif.) told me that his is nose heavy also. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenp ol-List t=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com low target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:44 AM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord Yeah,- brings back memories of our Tri-Pacer.- Certainly got my attenti on!=0A-=0ADoug Dever=0AIn beautiful Stow Ohio=0A=0AFrom: IT Girl =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 12:21 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord=0A=0A--> Piete npol-List message posted by: "IT Girl" =0A=0AWe started with the bungee... used a come along and a gator with a wench and lots of clamps to get it stretched- adequately.- We also had wire safety lines, and plastic zip ties.- After last summer, we just switched to springs. - The bungee was too much drama when it failed.=0A=0A--------=0AShelley T umino=0AIT Girl=0Awife of "Axel"=0ANX899KP=0A=0ADO NOT ARCHIVE=0A =0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/v - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, L ======= ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! From: "dwilson" Visualizing the front view of the prop, I get it. Drawing the Leading and Trailing edges on the side of the blank, got that too ! What the airfoil at each station looks like if you were looking down the blade from the tip to the hub, well that was more difficult for me to see. Here is what I came up with and my plan to remove just the right amount of material to end up with a propeller. I've mounted a digital caliper to the drill press so I can drill a series of 1/16 inch holes along a line on the face of the prop blank at each station. The digital caliper should allow me to control the depth of the hole to with-in about 1/8 of and inch from the actual airfoil surface. The wood remaining can be removed with the angle grinder or orbital sander. Any thoughts or suggestions. I'm going to try the lancelot blade from King Arthur Tools mounted in a 4 1/2 inch angle grinder. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351908#351908 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/prop_plan_view_133.pdf ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! From: "bender" i had fun with the chainsaw method... jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351909#351909 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Kennedy Space Center Flyovers From: "GliderMike" Dan, There is an airport in Western Oklahoma - Clinton Sherman - that has 13,500 ft of runway. It used to be an Air Force Base, and was de-commissioned in the '60's. There is a control tower there (or at least used to be) that was open from 7 or 8 am til 5 or 6 pm weekdays. I made 3 take offs and landings to a full stop, with a climb to 1,000 ft agl in between each take off in the 1957 Cessna 182 I used to own, several years ago. -------- HOMEBUILDER Will WORK for Spruce Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351910#351910 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:01 PM PST US From: Lawrence Williams Subject: Pietenpol-List: push-pull set-up Admittedly I haven't seen any pictures of your set-up but you speak of external bellcranks and some sort of elevator trim system yet keep insisting that it's "to the plans". Pray tell what plans you are using or what airplane you are building. Larry W. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:44 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord Doug, back in the 80's I rebuilt a Tri-Pacer and made a tail dragger out of it. I put new bungees on. Someone had devised a tool that we passed around to others that were rebuilding Tri-Pacers -- with that tool it was no trouble at all. I have forgotten what it was like. C ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Dever To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 1:44 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord Yeah, brings back memories of our Tri-Pacer. Certainly got my attention! Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio From: IT Girl To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 12:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord We started with the bungee... used a come along and a gator with a wench and lots of clamps to get it stretched adequately. We also had wire safety lines, and plastic zip ties. After last summer, we just switched to springs. The bungee was too much drama when it failed. -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351895#351895 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:02 PM PST US From: RBush96589@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) hello all, I just finished reading the latest update on flycorvair.com from William Wynne. the last part of the update tells of how close he and his father came to being in tower number two on 9/11/2001.it is an interesting story and makes you come to realize how fortunate many of us are. with the tenth anniversary of that day coming up tomorrow and with the war that it led to still going on got me to thinking how lucky I am to be where I am and to be able to build fly and enjoy my own airplane.and also as a stepfather of a son who did a tour of afghanistan with the army in the middle of it all.I would like to say thank you to the members of this list who have served their country through this war and in those past. I don't think you hear it often enough. Beutiful morning to fly here in west TN. Randy Bush NX294RB Miss Le Bec ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! From: helspersew@aol.com Hi Dan, It sounds like that would work. It also sounds like you bettta be beeerrrrr y careful when you drill those holes so they don't get too deep. If it were me, I would do as our good amigo from south of the border, Santi ago from Argentina did. He made templates from cardboard of the airfoils at each station, and split them at the leading edge and trailing edge lines. Then, when you started getting close (with the chainsaw) you could keep try ing the templates at each blade station. Shouldn't be too hard. .....but th at's me. I am sure you will be successful in whatever method you choose. Any special reason you chose the Clark Y? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN. -----Original Message----- From: dwilson Sent: Sat, Sep 10, 2011 1:01 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! Visualizing the front view of the prop, I get it. Drawing the Leading and railing edges on the side of the blank, got that too ! What the airfoil at ach station looks like if you were looking down the blade from the tip to t he ub, well that was more difficult for me to see. Here is what I came up wit h nd my plan to remove just the right amount of material to end up with a ropeller. I've mounted a digital caliper to the drill press so I can drill a eries of 1/16 inch holes along a line on the face of the prop blank at eac h tation. The digital caliper should allow me to control the depth of the ho le o with-in about 1/8 of and inch from the actual airfoil surface. The wood emaining can be removed with the angle grinder or orbital sander. Any thou ghts r suggestions. I'm going to try the lancelot blade from King Arthur Tools mounted in a 4 1 /2 nch angle grinder. ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351908#351908 ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/prop_plan_view_133.pdf -======================== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord From: "IT Girl" Jack.... I love you too! -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351928#351928 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:21:55 PM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord I don't remember it being too much trouble. An A & P friend did it for us. I do=2C however=2C remember it getting my attention when it broke! I had just touched down and the nose gear wasn'rt even down yet. I didn't get my adrenaline pumping as much as the 2 in flight electrical fires thoug h. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio From: cncampbell@windstream.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord Doug=2C back in the 80's I rebuilt a Tri-Pacer and made a tail dragger out of it. I put new bungees on. Someone had devised a tool that we passed ar ound to others that were rebuilding Tri-Pacers -- with that tool it was no trouble at all. I have forgotten what it was like. C ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Dever Sent: Saturday=2C September 10=2C 2011 1:44 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord Yeah=2C brings back memories of our Tri-Pacer. Certainly got my attention ! Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio From: IT Girl Sent: Saturday=2C September 10=2C 2011 12:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord We started with the bungee... used a come along and a gator with a wench an d lots of clamps to get it stretched adequately. We also had wire safety lines=2C and plastic zip ties. After last summer=2C we just switched to sp rings. The bungee was too much drama when it failed. -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "=3BAxel"=3B NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351895#351895 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:41 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord Maybe you had TWO wenches.? Do not archive! From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Dever Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 5:19 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord I don't remember it being too much trouble. An A & P friend did it for us. I do, however, remember it getting my attention when it broke! I had just touched down and the nose gear wasn'rt even down yet. I didn't get my adrenaline pumping as much as the 2 in flight electrical fires though. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio _____ From: cncampbell@windstream.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord Doug, back in the 80's I rebuilt a Tri-Pacer and made a tail dragger out of it. I put new bungees on. Someone had devised a tool that we passed around to others that were rebuilding Tri-Pacers -- with that tool it was no trouble at all. I have forgotten what it was like. C ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Dever Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 1:44 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord Yeah, brings back memories of our Tri-Pacer. Certainly got my attention! Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio From: IT Girl Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 12:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord We started with the bungee... used a come along and a gator with a wench and lots of clamps to get it stretched adequately. We also had wire safety lines, and plastic zip ties. After last summer, we just switched to springs. The bungee was too much drama when it failed. -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351895#351895 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Push pull set-up From: "Billy McCaskill" If you use the 350 Chevy motor (hey, it's liquid cooled too!), then you probably will wind up with not having to move the wing back and you'll have the cabanes vertical... do not archive -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351931#351931 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Just ordering plans.....Questions From: "ribill7" Hey thanks to everybody that gave some input......... Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351933#351933 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:37 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! Any idea HOW Santiago (or anyone) created the templates for each station? Software? -----Original Message----- From: helspersew@aol.com Sent: Sep 10, 2011 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! Hi Dan, It sounds like that would work. It also sounds like you bettta be beeerrrrry careful when you drill those holes so they don't get too deep. If it were me, I would do as our good amigo from south of the border, Santiago from Argentina did. He made templates from cardboard of the airfoils at each station, and split them at the leading edge and trailing edge lines. Then, when you started getting close (with the chainsaw) you could keep trying the templates at each blade station. Shouldn't be too hard. .....but that's me. I am sure you will be successful in whatever method you choose. Any special reason you chose the Clark Y? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN. -----Original Message----- From: dwilson Sent: Sat, Sep 10, 2011 1:01 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! Visualizing the front view of the prop, I get it. Drawing the Leading and Trailing edges on the side of the blank, got that too ! What the airfoil at each station looks like if you were looking down the blade from the tip to the hub, well that was more difficult for me to see. Here is what I came up with and my plan to remove just the right amount of material to end up with a propeller. I've mounted a digital caliper to the drill press so I can drill a series of 1/16 inch holes along a line on the face of the prop blank at each station. The digital caliper should allow me to control the depth of the hole to with-in about 1/8 of and inch from the actual airfoil surface. The wood remaining can be removed with the angle grinder or orbital sander. Any thoughts or suggestions. I'm going to try the lancelot blade from King Arthur Tools mounted in a 4 1/2 inch angle grinder. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351908#351908 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/prop_plan_view_133.pdf " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:54 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Can anyone identify this plane? From: "Piet2112" My father discovered it in a building near his house. Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351937#351937 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0673_611.jpg ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:40 PM PST US From: Amsafetc Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! As difficult as it may become the idea of carving my own prop is certainly enticing. A couple of planks 76 inches long and 8 inches wide some titebond 3 and an electric chain saw. I got the saw, sawhorses,clamps,benches all I need is the profile and lots of who knows what to start hacking away and removing all the pieces that don't look like a propeller. Once that task is complete I should be left with a propeller Right. No biggie. I been thinkin on it for some time just need to get the wood and get gluon. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2011, at 9:55 PM, Jim Markle wrote: > > Any idea HOW Santiago (or anyone) created the templates for each station? Software? > > -----Original Message----- > > From: helspersew@aol.com > > Sent: Sep 10, 2011 6:09 PM > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! > > > > > > > > > Hi Dan, > > > > > > It sounds like that would work. It also sounds like you bettta be beeerrrrry careful when you drill those holes so they don't get too deep. > > > > > > If it were me, I would do as our good amigo from south of the border, Santiago from Argentina did. He made templates from cardboard of the airfoils at each station, and split them at the leading edge and trailing edge lines. Then, when you started getting close (with the chainsaw) you could keep trying the templates at each blade station. Shouldn't be too hard. .....but that's me. > > > > > > I am sure you will be successful in whatever method you choose. > > > > > > Any special reason you chose the Clark Y? > > > > > > Dan Helsper > > > Puryear, TN. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dwilson > > To: pietenpol-list > > Sent: Sat, Sep 10, 2011 1:01 pm > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! > > > > > > > Visualizing the front view of the prop, I get it. Drawing the Leading and > Trailing edges on the side of the blank, got that too ! What the airfoil at > each station looks like if you were looking down the blade from the tip to the > hub, well that was more difficult for me to see. Here is what I came up with > and my plan to remove just the right amount of material to end up with a > propeller. I've mounted a digital caliper to the drill press so I can drill a > series of 1/16 inch holes along a line on the face of the prop blank at each > station. The digital caliper should allow me to control the depth of the hole > to with-in about 1/8 of and inch from the actual airfoil surface. The wood > remaining can be removed with the angle grinder or orbital sander. Any thoughts > or suggestions. > > I'm going to try the lancelot blade from King Arthur Tools mounted in a 4 1/2 > inch angle grinder. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351908#351908 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/prop_plan_view_133.pdf > > > > > " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > p://forums.matronics.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:42 PM PST US From: "Michael Silvius" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Can anyone identify this plane? Curt: See page 48 of the 1933 Flying and Glider Manual... Given the unique rudder and wire braced wings I am thinking Henderson Longster. http://www.rcflyg.se/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=16299&d=1290073384 http://media.photobucket.com/image/henderson+longster+/tempuskenny/Motorcycles/WAAAM%20Motorcycles/080415HendersonMCEnginein1930Homebu.jpg Michael Silvius ----- Original Message ----- From: "Piet2112" > > My father discovered it in a building near his house. > > Curt Merdan > Flower Mound, TX > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0673_611.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:53 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: metal fittings From: "aussiegeorge" Hi all just put a you tube up showing how to bend the elevator fitting at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB9E43TuaFM Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351943#351943 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord From: "IT Girl" Well... Kevin was there too :) [quote="gboothe5(at)comcast.net"]Maybe you had TWO wenches? Do not archive! From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Dever Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 5:19 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Re: Shock Cord I don't remember it being too much trouble. An A & P friend did it for us. I do, however, remember it getting my attention when it broke! I had just touched down and the nose gear wasn'rt even down yet. I didn't get my adrenaline pumping as much as the 2 in flight electrical fires though. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio From: cncampbell@windstream.net To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Re: Shock Cord Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 17:26:01 -0400 Doug, back in the 80's I rebuilt a Tri-Pacer and made a tail dragger out of it. I put new bungees on. Someone had devised a tool that we passed around to others that were rebuilding Tri-Pacers -- with that tool it was no trouble at all. I have forgotten what it was like. C > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Doug Dever (helio400@yahoo.com) > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com (pietenpol-list@matronics.com) > > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 1:44 PM > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord > > > Yeah, brings back memories of our Tri-Pacer. Certainly got my attention! > > > > Doug Dever > > In beautiful Stow Ohio > > > > From: IT Girl > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com (pietenpol-list@matronics.com) > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 12:21 PM > Subject: Re: Shock Cord > > > We started with the bungee... used a come along and a gator with a wench and lots of clamps to get it stretched adequately. We also had wire safety lines, and plastic zip ties. After last summer, we just switched to springs. 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