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1. 07:17 AM - Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! (womenfly2)
2. 07:39 AM - Re: Kennedy Space Center Flyovers (TOM STINEMETZE)
3. 07:52 AM - Re: push-pull set-up (Jack Phillips)
4. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Push pull set-up (Doug Dever)
5. 08:35 AM - Corvair College #21 (Barnwell Regional Airport)
6. 09:43 AM - Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! (dwilson)
7. 10:16 AM - Re: Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! (Jeff Wilson)
8. 11:24 AM - Re: Corvair College #21 (airlion)
9. 12:29 PM - Re: Corvair College #21 (Charles Campbell)
10. 12:30 PM - Re: Re: Parts (shad bell)
11. 01:33 PM - Re: Corvair College #21 (Barnwell Regional Airport)
12. 04:06 PM - Re: Corvair College #21 (Barnwell Regional Airport)
13. 06:40 PM - Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! (Brett Phillips)
14. 09:22 PM - Re: Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !2 (jorge lizarraga)
15. 09:43 PM - Push-pull set-up (Oscar Zuniga)
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| Subject: | Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! |
Propeller craving-1 & 2
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2.
Interesting.
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| Subject: | Re: Kennedy Space Center Flyovers |
AaaaaRrruugg! They say that the brain is the first thing to go. I can't
remember what was second. At least I got the initials right.
Tom
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>>> "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca> 9/9/2011 4:57 PM >>>
Tom,
We know Mr. Purtee is very generous in giving rides in his Piet, but if
you keep referring to him as Ken Perkins, he might not offer you another
ride. Then again, maybe Kevin will take it as a compliment.
BC
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| Subject: | push-pull set-up |
Never criticise a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes. Then, go
ahead and criticise. After all, you're a mile a way and you've got his
shoes.
Do Not Archive
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: push-pull set-up
Ken,
You're building from the plans, but you're not building to the plans...I'm
not entirely sure why you feel the need to insist what you are doing is "to
the plans" and then subsequently describe the reasons it's not being built
to the plans. Confusing.
The list is pretty constructive, and there is a tremendous amount of
knowledge out there that will peek it's head out when asked for. Goofiness,
jackassery, and the same old crazy-ass questions will generate plenty of ire
(i.e. how many golf balls will it take to allow me to fly my rubber band
powered Piet from my 26,000 ft airstrip, oh by the way I weigh 350 lbs, I
built it entirely out of terneplate, it's low wing, and why won't you do the
math and figure out why it won't fly!). I'm not saying you fell into that
category..I think just venting there ;-)
Anywho, it's your journey, it's your airplane...you can do whatever you
would like with it. As long as it turns out safe for you and your
passengers, and you enjoy it, excellent. Just don't keep calling it what it
ain't.."to the plans". I'm sure it makes Bernard turn, and I can only
imagine it's giving Dan a little more grey ;-)
Ryan
do not archive
On Sep 11, 2011, at 2:03 AM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wrote:
I am building the plane to plans. I decided to have external bell cranks.
Regardless of the placement it is still a bell crank with all components as
the plans dictate. The trim is for my weight as I figured I would need some
stick pressure due to my weight!
Yes... I used some wood on the bottom fuse for an inspection hole. Weather
fabric or wood, still an inspection cover.
Now matter what anyone wishes to mouth out, a bell crank is a bell crank as
long as it has all the components to be a bell crank!!!! For those who wish
to be purists, step forward and show me your "to plans" airplane. A step,
door, storage compartment makes your plane anything but a pietenpol!
SO...comment away as frankly I don't give a shit what others think. I was
only asking the list for "input" not criticism! Hence why I shun when asking
this list anything publicly. So before you fly away into the sunset and
think this list is constructive, remember this. I have received feedback on
my original question from three people! The rest of you....offer nothing but
failed criticism because your glasses see it in one dimension!
Touche'
KMHeide
--- On Sat, 9/10/11, Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: push-pull set-up
Admittedly I haven't seen any pictures of your set-up but you speak of
external bellcranks and some sort of elevator trim system yet keep insisting
that it's "to the plans". Pray tell what plans you are using or what
airplane you are building.
Larry W.
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| Subject: | Re: Push pull set-up |
Hey, I was just sayin'---lol- I'm with you=0A-=0ADoug Dever=0AIn beauti
ful Stow Ohio=0A-=0ADo Not Archive=0A=0AFrom: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mind
spring.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, September 11
, 2011 11:46 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Push pull set-up=0A=0A--
=0A=0AHe did.- Then immediately stated: "To each his own....but from this
day forward the only Pietenpol I will EVER recognize/endorse as a REAL Pie
tenpol will have a 4 banger up front..."=0A=0AI'm just sayin'....=0A=0A=0A
=0A-----Original Message-----=0A=0AFrom: Doug Dever =0A=0ASent: Sep 11, 201
1 8:39 AM=0A=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol
-List: Re: Push pull set-up=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AIf I remember right,
didn't Bernard try a Ford Flathead V8?=0A=0ADoug Dever=0AIn beautiful Stow
Ohio=0A=0A=0A=0ADo not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re:
Push pull set-up=0A> From: billmz@cox.net=0A> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 17:54
:20 -0700=0A> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A> =0A> --> Pietenpol-List
message posted by: "Billy McCaskill" <billmz@cox.net>=0A> =0A> If you use t
he 350 Chevy motor (hey, it's liquid cooled too!), then you probably will w
ind up with not having to move the wing back and you'll have the cabanes ve
rtical...=0A> =0A> do not archive=0A> =0A> --------=0A> Billy McCaskill=0A>
Urbana, IL=0A> tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon=0A> =0A>
=0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here:=0A> =0A> http://forums.matronic
s.com/viewtopic.php?p=351931#351931=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A
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| Subject: | Corvair College #21 |
To all Pietenpol fans who are planning to use a corvair engine on their
planes, the next corvair college [ #21 ] will be held at Barnwell
Regional Airport, Barnwell, S. C. on November 11, 12, 13.
For those who are not familiar with a corvair college, it is a gathering
of aviation enthusiasts started by William Wynne in May of 2000 for
those who want expert information on building a corvair engine. Some
come to a college to build and test run their engines, some come to have
their engine parts expertly examined, others come to look and learn. All
go away having learned valuable information and having met numerous new
friends.
Because the colleges have gotten so popular, William has "twisted
several arms" and has gotten other experts who have also graciously
volunteered their time to attend and share their expertise. Roy
Szarafinski, Dan Weseman, Mark Petuniuas, Emory Luth, Mark Langford, Joe
Horton among others, are expected to be here this year as well as many
past college attendees.
More information is available at William's web site www.flycorvair.com
Local information about facilities at the airport are at
www.barnwellregionalairport.com .
For any specific info, send an e-mail to barnwellairport@bellsouth and
I'll answer promptly.
P. F. Beck
NX747PF
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| Subject: | Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! |
Keri-Ann
Vi Kapler has built a propeller blade duplicator similar to the one in the video.
It works great if you have an original blade that you can use as a guide to
"copy". I am building a jig for my router that I intend to" copy " the individual
airfoil templates I create to rough out the blade stations for any propeller
blade that you design. This will just rough out the airfoil shape, but
will guide my carving and sanding tools to complete shaping the blades. I still
intend to use the templates to check the progress of the "shaping" and finishing.
So far I've experimented with a couple of pieces of 2X4 and it looks
pretty good. I would really like to observe a real prop carver install the brass
leading edge to the blades. Anyone know how that is done?
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! |
I've checked into covering the leading edge with brass and the short story is that
it is nearly a lost art.
Quite difficult to do and maintain. Then there's balancing.
The clear laminate is much easier. Although not as ascetically appealing.
If you find a DIY guide, let us all know.
Jeff Wilson
St. Louis, MO
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 12, 2011, at 11:40 AM, "dwilson" <marwilson@charter.net> wrote:
>
> Keri-Ann
>
> Vi Kapler has built a propeller blade duplicator similar to the one in the video.
It works great if you have an original blade that you can use as a guide
to "copy". I am building a jig for my router that I intend to" copy " the individual
airfoil templates I create to rough out the blade stations for any propeller
blade that you design. This will just rough out the airfoil shape, but
will guide my carving and sanding tools to complete shaping the blades. I
still intend to use the templates to check the progress of the "shaping" and finishing.
So far I've experimented with a couple of pieces of 2X4 and it looks
pretty good. I would really like to observe a real prop carver install the
brass leading edge to the blades. Anyone know how that is done?
>
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> Dan
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> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352051#352051
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair College #21 |
Hi PF. Please list me as an attendee for college 21. Cheers. Gardiner Mason
--- On Mon, 9/12/11, Barnwell Regional Airport <barnwellairport@bellsouth.n
et> wrote:
From: Barnwell Regional Airport <barnwellairport@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College #21
=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0ATo all Pietenpol fans who =0Aare planning to use a corv
air engine on their planes, the next corvair college [ =0A#21 ]- will be
held at =0A=0A Barnwell =0A Regional=0A Airport , Barnwell, S. C. on Novemb
er 11, =0A12, 13.=0A =0A- =0AFor those who are not =0Afamiliar with a cor
vair college, it is a gathering of aviation enthusiasts =0Astarted by Willi
am Wynne in May of 2000 for those who want expert information on =0Abuildin
g a corvair engine. Some come to a college to build and test run their =0Ae
ngines, some come to have their engine parts expertly examined, others come
to =0Alook and learn. All go away having learned valuable information and
having met =0Anumerous new friends. =0A- =0ABecause the colleges have
=0Agotten so popular, William has "twisted several arms" and has gotten-
-other experts who have also graciously =0Avolunteered their time to atte
nd and share their expertise. Roy Szarafinski, Dan =0AWeseman, Mark Petuniu
as, Emory Luth, Mark Langford, Joe Horton among others, are =0Aexpected to
be here this year as well as many past college attendees. =0A =0A- =0AMor
e information is =0Aavailable at William's web site www.flycorvair.com -
-Local =0Ainformation about facilities at the airport are at www.barnwell
regionalairport.com . =0A- =0AFor any specific info, send =0Aan e-mail to
barnwellairport@bellsouth and I'll answer =0Apromptly. =0A- =0AP. F. =0A
Beck =0ANX747PF
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair College #21 |
Mr. Beck, please sign me up for attendance at Corvair college #21.
Chuck Campbell, 229 Brooks Landing Drive, Winston-Salem, NC 27106 Just
received a Dan Weseman 5th Bearing kit. Hope to have my Corvair ready
to run at the college. Chuck NX 10003
----- Original Message -----
From: Barnwell Regional Airport
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:33 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College #21
To all Pietenpol fans who are planning to use a corvair engine on
their planes, the next corvair college [ #21 ] will be held at Barnwell
Regional Airport, Barnwell, S. C. on November 11, 12, 13.
For those who are not familiar with a corvair college, it is a
gathering of aviation enthusiasts started by William Wynne in May of
2000 for those who want expert information on building a corvair engine.
Some come to a college to build and test run their engines, some come to
have their engine parts expertly examined, others come to look and
learn. All go away having learned valuable information and having met
numerous new friends.
Because the colleges have gotten so popular, William has "twisted
several arms" and has gotten other experts who have also graciously
volunteered their time to attend and share their expertise. Roy
Szarafinski, Dan Weseman, Mark Petuniuas, Emory Luth, Mark Langford, Joe
Horton among others, are expected to be here this year as well as many
past college attendees.
More information is available at William's web site www.flycorvair.com
Local information about facilities at the airport are at
www.barnwellregionalairport.com .
For any specific info, send an e-mail to barnwellairport@bellsouth and
I'll answer promptly.
P. F. Beck
NX747PF
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Matt You cant do dat, Thats what dad and I were contemplating building next
.- Unless..........they do away with tat damned ole 3rd class medical for
a private. then it will probably be a w-10 tailwind.- Saw one this weeke
nd at a fly in, 150hp and man did it move!
-
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair College #21 |
Registration is at
https://corvaircollege.wufoo.com/forms/corvair-college-21-registration .
Cal Hoffman
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Campbell
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College #21
Mr. Beck, please sign me up for attendance at Corvair college #21.
Chuck Campbell, 229 Brooks Landing Drive, Winston-Salem, NC 27106 Just
received a Dan Weseman 5th Bearing kit. Hope to have my Corvair ready
to run at the college. Chuck NX 10003
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair College #21 |
Chuck,
I was not aware that Cal had answered your e-mail, so let me give a
little more detailed explanation.
The way the registration has been set up for years, is that each person
registers throught Ken Pavlou who collects all money through a Paypal
account. [ we have no way to collect the money ] and just before the
College starts, he will send me the collected money, a list of and an
address of each person and their e-mail addresses, along with a name
badge for each.
There is a page our airport web site [ www.barnwellregionalairport.com
] giving more detailed information.
All money collected goes to pay for food, drinks and supplies. All of us
here at the airport are volunteers.
If you have any specific questions, ask away and I'll answer promptly.
I can asure you that your will enjoy the college.
Thanks,
P. F. Beck
----- Original Message -----
From: Barnwell Regional Airport
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College #21
Registration is at
https://corvaircollege.wufoo.com/forms/corvair-college-21-registration .
Cal Hoffman
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Campbell
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College #21
Mr. Beck, please sign me up for attendance at Corvair college #21.
Chuck Campbell, 229 Brooks Landing Drive, Winston-Salem, NC 27106 Just
received a Dan Weseman 5th Bearing kit. Hope to have my Corvair ready
to run at the college. Chuck NX 10003
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| Subject: | Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! |
While watching the videos Keri Ann posted, I ran into this gem. The methods used
by the workers in this video are almost as fascinating as their youth and skills.
Enjoy!
Part One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9UbnJlhrHA
Part Two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR3e8waXuWk
Part Three: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS-XqOsxBHY
Brett Phillips
Strasburg, VA
NX311GP
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| Subject: | Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !2 |
tanks for talk whit us these great idea copy blade for propeler . I like to
now if you have ha set of plans to make these copie machine router copie b
lades propeller i like to make one for my antique stile propeller tanks aga
in jorge from hanford
--- On Mon, 9/12/11, dwilson <marwilson@charter.net> wrote:
From: dwilson <marwilson@charter.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !
Keri-Ann
Vi Kapler has built a propeller blade duplicator similar to the one in the
video.- It works great if you have an original blade that you can use as
a guide to "copy".- I am building a jig for my router that I intend to" c
opy "- the individual airfoil templates I create to rough out the blade s
tations for any propeller blade that you design.- This will just rough ou
t the airfoil shape, but will guide my carving and sanding tools to complet
e shaping the blades.- I still intend to use the templates to check the p
rogress of the "shaping" and finishing.- So far I've experimented with a
couple of pieces of 2X4 and it looks pretty good.---I would really li
ke to observe a real prop carver install the brass leading edge to the blad
es.- Anyone know how that is done?
Dan
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Of course anyone who has seen Dick Navratil's gorgeous
Rotec-powered Piet noticed the outboard bellcranks and
elevator control cables. I don't know how much the Rotec
weighs but it must give him a bit of luxury of adding
things aft of the pilot's seat=2C compared to an aircraft
flat-four or even a Corvair=2C to balance the weight of the
radial out there. I'm just guessing here. Anyway=2C it
really gives his airplane a distinctive and old-timey
look. Also makes preflight inspection easy =3Bo)
As far as building to plans=2C didn't the very early Sky
Scout or Air Camper have outboard bellcranks for the
elevator cables? Maybe my memory is fading but I seem
to remember seeing them that way "back in the day".
As far as the original engine configuration=2C the saying
"real FBOs carry antifreeze" says it all.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford=2C OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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