---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/12/11: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:17 AM - Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! (womenfly2) 2. 07:39 AM - Re: Kennedy Space Center Flyovers (TOM STINEMETZE) 3. 07:52 AM - Re: push-pull set-up (Jack Phillips) 4. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Push pull set-up (Doug Dever) 5. 08:35 AM - Corvair College #21 (Barnwell Regional Airport) 6. 09:43 AM - Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! (dwilson) 7. 10:16 AM - Re: Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! (Jeff Wilson) 8. 11:24 AM - Re: Corvair College #21 (airlion) 9. 12:29 PM - Re: Corvair College #21 (Charles Campbell) 10. 12:30 PM - Re: Re: Parts (shad bell) 11. 01:33 PM - Re: Corvair College #21 (Barnwell Regional Airport) 12. 04:06 PM - Re: Corvair College #21 (Barnwell Regional Airport) 13. 06:40 PM - Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! (Brett Phillips) 14. 09:22 PM - Re: Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !2 (jorge lizarraga) 15. 09:43 PM - Push-pull set-up (Oscar Zuniga) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! From: "womenfly2" Propeller craving-1 & 2 1. 2. Interesting. -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352030#352030 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:59 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Kennedy Space Center Flyovers AaaaaRrruugg! They say that the brain is the first thing to go. I can't remember what was second. At least I got the initials right. Tom do not archive ____ | ____ \8/ o/ \o >>> "Bill Church" 9/9/2011 4:57 PM >>> Tom, We know Mr. Purtee is very generous in giving rides in his Piet, but if you keep referring to him as Ken Perkins, he might not offer you another ride. Then again, maybe Kevin will take it as a compliment. BC ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:04 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: push-pull set-up Never criticise a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes. Then, go ahead and criticise. After all, you're a mile a way and you've got his shoes. Do Not Archive Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 11:29 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: push-pull set-up Ken, You're building from the plans, but you're not building to the plans...I'm not entirely sure why you feel the need to insist what you are doing is "to the plans" and then subsequently describe the reasons it's not being built to the plans. Confusing. The list is pretty constructive, and there is a tremendous amount of knowledge out there that will peek it's head out when asked for. Goofiness, jackassery, and the same old crazy-ass questions will generate plenty of ire (i.e. how many golf balls will it take to allow me to fly my rubber band powered Piet from my 26,000 ft airstrip, oh by the way I weigh 350 lbs, I built it entirely out of terneplate, it's low wing, and why won't you do the math and figure out why it won't fly!). I'm not saying you fell into that category..I think just venting there ;-) Anywho, it's your journey, it's your airplane...you can do whatever you would like with it. As long as it turns out safe for you and your passengers, and you enjoy it, excellent. Just don't keep calling it what it ain't.."to the plans". I'm sure it makes Bernard turn, and I can only imagine it's giving Dan a little more grey ;-) Ryan do not archive On Sep 11, 2011, at 2:03 AM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wrote: I am building the plane to plans. I decided to have external bell cranks. Regardless of the placement it is still a bell crank with all components as the plans dictate. The trim is for my weight as I figured I would need some stick pressure due to my weight! Yes... I used some wood on the bottom fuse for an inspection hole. Weather fabric or wood, still an inspection cover. Now matter what anyone wishes to mouth out, a bell crank is a bell crank as long as it has all the components to be a bell crank!!!! For those who wish to be purists, step forward and show me your "to plans" airplane. A step, door, storage compartment makes your plane anything but a pietenpol! SO...comment away as frankly I don't give a shit what others think. I was only asking the list for "input" not criticism! Hence why I shun when asking this list anything publicly. So before you fly away into the sunset and think this list is constructive, remember this. I have received feedback on my original question from three people! The rest of you....offer nothing but failed criticism because your glasses see it in one dimension! Touche' KMHeide --- On Sat, 9/10/11, Lawrence Williams wrote: From: Lawrence Williams Subject: Pietenpol-List: push-pull set-up Admittedly I haven't seen any pictures of your set-up but you speak of external bellcranks and some sort of elevator trim system yet keep insisting that it's "to the plans". Pray tell what plans you are using or what airplane you are building. Larry W. http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.-> - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:58 AM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Push pull set-up Hey, I was just sayin'---lol- I'm with you=0A-=0ADoug Dever=0AIn beauti ful Stow Ohio=0A-=0ADo Not Archive=0A=0AFrom: Jim Markle =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, September 11 , 2011 11:46 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Push pull set-up=0A=0A-- =0A=0AHe did.- Then immediately stated: "To each his own....but from this day forward the only Pietenpol I will EVER recognize/endorse as a REAL Pie tenpol will have a 4 banger up front..."=0A=0AI'm just sayin'....=0A=0A=0A =0A-----Original Message-----=0A=0AFrom: Doug Dever =0A=0ASent: Sep 11, 201 1 8:39 AM=0A=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol -List: Re: Push pull set-up=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AIf I remember right, didn't Bernard try a Ford Flathead V8?=0A=0ADoug Dever=0AIn beautiful Stow Ohio=0A=0A=0A=0ADo not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Push pull set-up=0A> From: billmz@cox.net=0A> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 17:54 :20 -0700=0A> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A> =0A> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Billy McCaskill" =0A> =0A> If you use t he 350 Chevy motor (hey, it's liquid cooled too!), then you probably will w ind up with not having to move the wing back and you'll have the cabanes ve rtical...=0A> =0A> do not archive=0A> =0A> --------=0A> Billy McCaskill=0A> Urbana, IL=0A> tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here:=0A> =0A> http://forums.matronic s.com/viewtopic.php?p=351931#351931=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A >=============0A> =0A> =0A> =0A--- --- -======================== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:59 AM PST US From: "Barnwell Regional Airport" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College #21 To all Pietenpol fans who are planning to use a corvair engine on their planes, the next corvair college [ #21 ] will be held at Barnwell Regional Airport, Barnwell, S. C. on November 11, 12, 13. For those who are not familiar with a corvair college, it is a gathering of aviation enthusiasts started by William Wynne in May of 2000 for those who want expert information on building a corvair engine. Some come to a college to build and test run their engines, some come to have their engine parts expertly examined, others come to look and learn. All go away having learned valuable information and having met numerous new friends. Because the colleges have gotten so popular, William has "twisted several arms" and has gotten other experts who have also graciously volunteered their time to attend and share their expertise. Roy Szarafinski, Dan Weseman, Mark Petuniuas, Emory Luth, Mark Langford, Joe Horton among others, are expected to be here this year as well as many past college attendees. More information is available at William's web site www.flycorvair.com Local information about facilities at the airport are at www.barnwellregionalairport.com . For any specific info, send an e-mail to barnwellairport@bellsouth and I'll answer promptly. P. F. Beck NX747PF This email was scanned by VIPRE version 4.0.4194 when it was sent, using definitions version 10453=00 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:43:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! From: "dwilson" Keri-Ann Vi Kapler has built a propeller blade duplicator similar to the one in the video. It works great if you have an original blade that you can use as a guide to "copy". I am building a jig for my router that I intend to" copy " the individual airfoil templates I create to rough out the blade stations for any propeller blade that you design. This will just rough out the airfoil shape, but will guide my carving and sanding tools to complete shaping the blades. I still intend to use the templates to check the progress of the "shaping" and finishing. So far I've experimented with a couple of pieces of 2X4 and it looks pretty good. I would really like to observe a real prop carver install the brass leading edge to the blades. Anyone know how that is done? Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352051#352051 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:59 AM PST US From: Jeff Wilson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! I've checked into covering the leading edge with brass and the short story is that it is nearly a lost art. Quite difficult to do and maintain. Then there's balancing. The clear laminate is much easier. Although not as ascetically appealing. If you find a DIY guide, let us all know. Jeff Wilson St. Louis, MO Sent from my iPhone On Sep 12, 2011, at 11:40 AM, "dwilson" wrote: > > Keri-Ann > > Vi Kapler has built a propeller blade duplicator similar to the one in the video. It works great if you have an original blade that you can use as a guide to "copy". I am building a jig for my router that I intend to" copy " the individual airfoil templates I create to rough out the blade stations for any propeller blade that you design. This will just rough out the airfoil shape, but will guide my carving and sanding tools to complete shaping the blades. I still intend to use the templates to check the progress of the "shaping" and finishing. So far I've experimented with a couple of pieces of 2X4 and it looks pretty good. I would really like to observe a real prop carver install the brass leading edge to the blades. Anyone know how that is done? > > > Dan > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352051#352051 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:24:20 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College #21 Hi PF. Please list me as an attendee for college 21. Cheers. Gardiner Mason --- On Mon, 9/12/11, Barnwell Regional Airport wrote: From: Barnwell Regional Airport Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College #21 =0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0ATo all Pietenpol fans who =0Aare planning to use a corv air engine on their planes, the next corvair college [ =0A#21 ]- will be held at =0A=0A Barnwell =0A Regional=0A Airport , Barnwell, S. C. on Novemb er 11, =0A12, 13.=0A =0A- =0AFor those who are not =0Afamiliar with a cor vair college, it is a gathering of aviation enthusiasts =0Astarted by Willi am Wynne in May of 2000 for those who want expert information on =0Abuildin g a corvair engine. Some come to a college to build and test run their =0Ae ngines, some come to have their engine parts expertly examined, others come to =0Alook and learn. All go away having learned valuable information and having met =0Anumerous new friends. =0A- =0ABecause the colleges have =0Agotten so popular, William has "twisted several arms" and has gotten- -other experts who have also graciously =0Avolunteered their time to atte nd and share their expertise. Roy Szarafinski, Dan =0AWeseman, Mark Petuniu as, Emory Luth, Mark Langford, Joe Horton among others, are =0Aexpected to be here this year as well as many past college attendees. =0A =0A- =0AMor e information is =0Aavailable at William's web site www.flycorvair.com - -Local =0Ainformation about facilities at the airport are at www.barnwell regionalairport.com . =0A- =0AFor any specific info, send =0Aan e-mail to barnwellairport@bellsouth and I'll answer =0Apromptly. =0A- =0AP. F. =0A Beck =0ANX747PF This email was scanned by VIPRE version 4.0.4194 when it was sent, using de finitions version 10453 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:29:16 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College #21 Mr. Beck, please sign me up for attendance at Corvair college #21. Chuck Campbell, 229 Brooks Landing Drive, Winston-Salem, NC 27106 Just received a Dan Weseman 5th Bearing kit. Hope to have my Corvair ready to run at the college. Chuck NX 10003 ----- Original Message ----- From: Barnwell Regional Airport To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:33 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College #21 To all Pietenpol fans who are planning to use a corvair engine on their planes, the next corvair college [ #21 ] will be held at Barnwell Regional Airport, Barnwell, S. C. on November 11, 12, 13. For those who are not familiar with a corvair college, it is a gathering of aviation enthusiasts started by William Wynne in May of 2000 for those who want expert information on building a corvair engine. Some come to a college to build and test run their engines, some come to have their engine parts expertly examined, others come to look and learn. All go away having learned valuable information and having met numerous new friends. Because the colleges have gotten so popular, William has "twisted several arms" and has gotten other experts who have also graciously volunteered their time to attend and share their expertise. Roy Szarafinski, Dan Weseman, Mark Petuniuas, Emory Luth, Mark Langford, Joe Horton among others, are expected to be here this year as well as many past college attendees. More information is available at William's web site www.flycorvair.com Local information about facilities at the airport are at www.barnwellregionalairport.com . For any specific info, send an e-mail to barnwellairport@bellsouth and I'll answer promptly. P. F. Beck NX747PF This email was scanned by VIPRE version 4.0.4194 when it was sent, using definitions version 10453 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:07 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Parts Matt You cant do dat, Thats what dad and I were contemplating building next .- Unless..........they do away with tat damned ole 3rd class medical for a private. then it will probably be a w-10 tailwind.- Saw one this weeke nd at a fly in, 150hp and man did it move! - Shad ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:30 PM PST US From: "Barnwell Regional Airport" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College #21 Registration is at https://corvaircollege.wufoo.com/forms/corvair-college-21-registration . Cal Hoffman ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Campbell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:26 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College #21 Mr. Beck, please sign me up for attendance at Corvair college #21. Chuck Campbell, 229 Brooks Landing Drive, Winston-Salem, NC 27106 Just received a Dan Weseman 5th Bearing kit. Hope to have my Corvair ready to run at the college. Chuck NX 10003 This email was scanned by VIPRE version 4.0.4194 when it was sent, using definitions version 10455=00 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:12 PM PST US From: "Barnwell Regional Airport" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College #21 Chuck, I was not aware that Cal had answered your e-mail, so let me give a little more detailed explanation. The way the registration has been set up for years, is that each person registers throught Ken Pavlou who collects all money through a Paypal account. [ we have no way to collect the money ] and just before the College starts, he will send me the collected money, a list of and an address of each person and their e-mail addresses, along with a name badge for each. There is a page our airport web site [ www.barnwellregionalairport.com ] giving more detailed information. All money collected goes to pay for food, drinks and supplies. All of us here at the airport are volunteers. If you have any specific questions, ask away and I'll answer promptly. I can asure you that your will enjoy the college. Thanks, P. F. Beck ----- Original Message ----- From: Barnwell Regional Airport To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 4:30 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College #21 Registration is at https://corvaircollege.wufoo.com/forms/corvair-college-21-registration . Cal Hoffman ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Campbell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:26 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College #21 Mr. Beck, please sign me up for attendance at Corvair college #21. Chuck Campbell, 229 Brooks Landing Drive, Winston-Salem, NC 27106 Just received a Dan Weseman 5th Bearing kit. Hope to have my Corvair ready to run at the college. Chuck NX 10003 This email was scanned by VIPRE version 4.0.4194 when it was sent, using definitions version 10455 This email was scanned by VIPRE version 4.0.4194 when it was sent, using definitions version 10456=00 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! From: "Brett Phillips" While watching the videos Keri Ann posted, I ran into this gem. The methods used by the workers in this video are almost as fascinating as their youth and skills. Enjoy! Part One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9UbnJlhrHA Part Two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR3e8waXuWk Part Three: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS-XqOsxBHY Brett Phillips Strasburg, VA NX311GP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352106#352106 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:56 PM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !2 tanks for talk whit us these great idea copy blade for propeler . I like to now if you have ha set of plans to make these copie machine router copie b lades propeller i like to make one for my antique stile propeller tanks aga in jorge from hanford --- On Mon, 9/12/11, dwilson wrote: From: dwilson Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! Keri-Ann Vi Kapler has built a propeller blade duplicator similar to the one in the video.- It works great if you have an original blade that you can use as a guide to "copy".- I am building a jig for my router that I intend to" c opy "- the individual airfoil templates I create to rough out the blade s tations for any propeller blade that you design.- This will just rough ou t the airfoil shape, but will guide my carving and sanding tools to complet e shaping the blades.- I still intend to use the templates to check the p rogress of the "shaping" and finishing.- So far I've experimented with a couple of pieces of 2X4 and it looks pretty good.---I would really li ke to observe a real prop carver install the brass leading edge to the blad es.- Anyone know how that is done? Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352051#352051 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:04 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push-pull set-up Of course anyone who has seen Dick Navratil's gorgeous Rotec-powered Piet noticed the outboard bellcranks and elevator control cables. I don't know how much the Rotec weighs but it must give him a bit of luxury of adding things aft of the pilot's seat=2C compared to an aircraft flat-four or even a Corvair=2C to balance the weight of the radial out there. I'm just guessing here. Anyway=2C it really gives his airplane a distinctive and old-timey look. Also makes preflight inspection easy =3Bo) As far as building to plans=2C didn't the very early Sky Scout or Air Camper have outboard bellcranks for the elevator cables? Maybe my memory is fading but I seem to remember seeing them that way "back in the day". As far as the original engine configuration=2C the saying "real FBOs carry antifreeze" says it all. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford=2C OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.