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1. 06:02 AM - Corvair College #21 at Barnwell , S. C. (Barnwell Regional Airport)
2. 06:42 AM - Re: Corvair College #21 at Barnwell , S. C. (airlion)
3. 07:49 AM - How To Resize Airfoils (jarheadpilot82)
4. 10:04 AM - Re: Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !2 (V Groah)
5. 10:07 AM - Re: How To Resize Airfoils (dwilson)
6. 10:12 AM - Re: Push-pull set-up (V Groah)
7. 10:16 AM - Re: Re: How To Resize Airfoils (Jim Markle)
8. 10:54 AM - Re: Landing gear questions (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
9. 11:23 AM - Re: How To Resize Airfoils (Bill Church)
10. 12:09 PM - Re: Landing gear questions (Bill Church)
11. 12:57 PM - Dick N. (JOSEPH SWITHIN)
12. 01:17 PM - Re: How To Resize Airfoils (dwilson)
13. 02:02 PM - It rolls before it flies (Richard Schreiber)
14. 02:04 PM - FW: It rolls before it flies (Richard Schreiber)
15. 02:13 PM - Re: Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !2 (Jim Boyer)
16. 03:05 PM - Re: How To Resize Airfoils (Jerry Dotson)
17. 03:40 PM - Re: Re: How To Resize Airfoils (helspersew@aol.com)
18. 04:24 PM - How to Resize Airfoils - Windows Version (jarheadpilot82)
19. 04:33 PM - Re: Dick N. (Dick N)
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| Subject: | Corvair College #21 at Barnwell , S. C. |
When I posted the notice yesterday about Corvair College #21 to be held
at the Barnwell Regional Airport, I got some prompt reply's saying "sign
me up".
I should have made it clear that I do not handle registrations. William
Wynne made arangements some years back with Ken Pavlou who take's care
of registrations using a Paypal account. To register, go to
https://corvaircollege.wufoo.com/forms/corvair-college-21-registration/
I would suggest that anyone planning to be here take a look at the
airport web site for detailed information. It's
www.barnwellregionalairport.com
For many, many years, I have attended the annual Brodhead Pietenpol fly
in [ and the folk's there do a great job ]. I'm always asked "why don't
you fly your Piet to Brodhead"? My answer is "It's a long way across the
mountains". Yes, I know that Kevin fly's in from Texas, but he's younger
and tougher. :]
Perhaps it time to start having regional Pietenpol fly in's so people
who might not be able to attend Brodhead can come see their favorite
airplanes. This would in NO WAY be intended to compete with Brodhead.
What better time than to start with a Pietenpol fly in at Barnwell to
held in conjunction with the Corvair College. After all, some of the
engines that will be built here will go on Pietenpols.
If you have an interest in attending or would plan to fly in with your
Piet, please let me know so I can see if we have enough interest and can
start planning. Please reply directly to barnwellairport@bellsouth.net
This would in no way compete with the Corvair College.
My apoligies for such a long post. It will not happen again.
thanks,
P. F. Beck
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair College #21 at Barnwell , S. C. |
Great idea PF. Gardiner
--- On Tue, 9/13/11, Barnwell Regional Airport <barnwellairport@bellsouth.n
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From: Barnwell Regional Airport <barnwellairport@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College #21 at Barnwell , S. C.
=0A=0A =0A =0A=0AWhen I posted the notice yesterday about Corvair =0AColleg
e #21 to be held at the Barnwell Regional Airport, I got some prompt =0Arep
ly's saying "sign me up".=0A-=0AI should have made it clear that I do not
handle =0Aregistrations. William Wynne made arangements some years back wi
th Ken Pavlou =0Awho take's care of registrations using a Paypal account. T
o register, go to =0A=0Ahttps://corvaircollege.wufoo.com/forms/corvair-coll
ege-21-registration/ =0A=0A-=0AI would suggest that anyone planning to be
here =0Atake a look at the airport web site for detailed information. It's
www.barnwellregionalairport.com =0A=0A-=0AFor many, many years, I have a
ttended the annual =0ABrodhead Pietenpol fly in [ and the folk's there do a
great job ]. I'm always =0Aasked "why don't you fly your Piet to Brodhead"
? My answer is "It's a long way =0Aacross the mountains". Yes, I know that
Kevin fly's in from Texas, but he's =0Ayounger and tougher. :]=0A-=0APerh
aps it time to start having regional Pietenpol =0Afly in's so people-who
might not be able to attend Brodhead can come see =0Atheir favorite airplan
es. This would in-NO WAY-be intended to compete =0Awith Brodhead. =0A
-=0AWhat better time than to start with a Pietenpol fly =0Ain at Barnwell
to held in conjunction with the Corvair College. After all, some =0Aof the
engines that will be built here will go on Pietenpols.=0A-=0AIf you have
an interest in attending or would plan =0Ato fly in with your Piet, please
let me know so I can see if we have enough =0Ainterest and can start plann
ing. Please reply directly to barnwellairport@bellsouth.net-This =0Awould
in no way compete with the Corvair College.=0A-=0AMy apoligies for such
a long post. It will not =0Ahappen again.=0A-=0Athanks,=0A-=0AP. F. Bec
k
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| Subject: | How To Resize Airfoils |
There was a recent posting on the Pietenpol List by Dan Wilson asking help in resizing
a Clark Y Airfoil in different sizes for his propeller project by using
coordinates on an excel spreadsheet that he had provided. I did not respond
initially, because, frankly I did not know how to help him with Excel. I figured
that there were plenty of computer wizards out there that could help with what
he asked. When I saw that he did not receive a prompt response, I contacted
him, and we were able to accomplish what he needed. He was so impressed with
the results of what I was able to do with a different program, he suggested that
I put it down on paper, as it might help other prop cutters or other builders
out there. So here is how I helped Dan. First, the caveat. I am not an engineer.
I was a Liberal Arts major in college, and like to refer to myself as merely
a computer semi-literate. I tried to learn a CAD program this past weekend,
and I gave up because it made my head hurt, and I just did not understand
how to use it.
I may discuss or describe some things in this attached paper that some of the computer
experts and Mac experts may completely disagree with, but all I can say
is, it worked for me. While I am no engineer or computer expert and I cant figure
out a CAD program, what I am fairly proficient with is a Program that is
an Apple Product, called Pages. Before I go on, Let me say this. You may not
be a Mac user, but I would bet that you know someone that is a Mac user, and you
can get them to do this work for you. So, for all of you Windows users, please
take a look, or at least print this out and hand it to your Mac addict.....
I hope that it helps someone out there. If you still need help. please feel free
to email me, and I am happy to walk you through the method. It isn't really
hard once you have done it a few times.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| Subject: | Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !2 |
Jorge=2C
Good to hear from you. How are you doing with your Piet? I know it is a
big job and with a family and a job there is not always the time or money t
o do what you would want.
We are slowly moving along. Since we are just 40 miles apart we should vis
it more. We would like to come over some time and check out your progress.
Keep up the good work. Vic N414MV Tulare Ca
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From: flightwood@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !2
tanks for talk whit us these great idea copy blade for propeler . I like to
now if you have ha set of plans to make these copie machine router copie b
lades propeller i like to make one for my antique stile propeller tanks aga
in jorge from hanford
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From: dwilson <marwilson@charter.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !
Keri-Ann
Vi Kapler has built a propeller blade duplicator similar to the one in the
video. It works great if you have an original blade that you can use as a
guide to "copy". I am building a jig for my router that I intend to" copy
" the individual airfoil templates I create to rough out the blade station
s for any propeller blade that you design. This will just rough out the ai
rfoil shape=2C but will guide my carving and sanding tools to complete shap
ing the blades. I still intend to use the templates to check the progress
of the "shaping" and finishing. So far I've experimented with a couple of
pieces of 2X4 and it looks pretty good. I would really like to observe a
real prop carver install the brass leading edge to the blades. Anyone know
how that is done?
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: How To Resize Airfoils |
Terry, Great Job ! Your instructions were very easy to follow. Jim Markle,
what do you think ? You should be able to create templates for all of your propeller
stations with this method. Terry's method works perfectly, and it prints
to the exact size you need for making templates. If you would like to use
an airfoil other than the Clark Y for your prop all you need to do is crop a
picture of it and use this method to size it for the chord length at each station.
You can make as many as you want along the entire length of your prop blade
if that helped you get to down to the actual blade. I've got to get back
to the carving...
Dan
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| Subject: | Push-pull set-up |
I see that you are now in Medford. I will have to try to visit next summer
when we go to our place in Silverton Ore. Meanwhile if you fly the Piet n
orth next spring stop in in Tulare Ca. We have a local airport and an extr
a bedroom and my wife makes home made tacos and enchiladas. You mentioned
friends in Hanford? That is just 30 miles from Tulare. Vic N414MV
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From: taildrags@hotmail.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push-pull set-up
Of course anyone who has seen Dick Navratil's gorgeous
Rotec-powered Piet noticed the outboard bellcranks and
elevator control cables. I don't know how much the Rotec
weighs but it must give him a bit of luxury of adding
things aft of the pilot's seat=2C compared to an aircraft
flat-four or even a Corvair=2C to balance the weight of the
radial out there. I'm just guessing here. Anyway=2C it
really gives his airplane a distinctive and old-timey
look. Also makes preflight inspection easy =3Bo)
As far as building to plans=2C didn't the very early Sky
Scout or Air Camper have outboard bellcranks for the
elevator cables? Maybe my memory is fading but I seem
to remember seeing them that way "back in the day".
As far as the original engine configuration=2C the saying
"real FBOs carry antifreeze" says it all.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford=2C OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: How To Resize Airfoils |
>
>Terry, Great Job ! Your instructions were very easy to follow. Jim Markle,
what do you think ?
First, I LOVE the pdf! That's great stuff!
Second, I'm wondering why I didn't think about "resizing" before! But then I've
had zero original ideas for any of my Piet project so why should this be any
different???? What an elegant solution though!
This is good information and thanks to all!!!
Jim
You should be able to create templates for all of your propeller stations with
this method. Terry's method works perfectly, and it prints to the exact size
you need for making templates. If you would like to use an airfoil other than
the Clark Y for your prop all you need to do is crop a picture of it and use
this method to size it for the chord length at each station. You can make as
many as you want along the entire length of your prop blade if that helped you
get to down to the actual blade. I've got to get back to the carving...
>
>Dan
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear questions |
Just asking a simple question.....
Is the wooded landing gear correctly place aft in relationship to the control of
the plane when landing? I though I read something about William Wynn making
the comment (regardless of engine selection) the gear set-up should be move more
Aft to proivide better ground control during landings and take-offs.
Constructive comments only, please!
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| Subject: | Re: How To Resize Airfoils |
Jim, the way you're going, your plane is probably going to end up looking like
... a Pietenpol.
But really ... ZERO original ideas?
Doesn't vacuum bagging count?
BC
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear questions |
In building the wooden landing gear "to the plans", the thing to keep in mind is
that the wooden gear, as drawn, was designed for use on the FGM fuselage, with
26" diameter wheels, without brakes. It should be perfectly positioned for
THAT application. The wooden gear can be used on the other two fuselages as well,
but with adjustments made as required.
It has been recommended many times that if brakes are used, the axle should be
moved forward a bit (maybe a couple of inches), relative to the CG. However, if
the axle is too far forward, the plane will not handle well on the ground, as
there will be too much weight aft of the wheels (the point of contact with the
immovable earth).
Effectively, the landing gear attachment points are fixed (located at the lift
strut attachment brackets, which are related to the fuselage structure, and ash
cross-piece, etc) and the axle position is adjustable (until you actually build
it). If you're building the "long" fuselage, you've got some head scratching
to do to figure out your landing gear attachment points, since they are not
shown in the drawings. By adjusting the lengths of the landing gear legs, the
axle position can be shifted fore or aft as needed. At the same time, the deck
angle can also be adjusted as needed to suit the diameter of wheels that you
have chosen for your plane.
There - that should be as clear as mud.
Bill C.
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Dick, Did you mail the copy of the fuse we talked about at Blakesburg? If so, Thanks
I look forward to receiving it. If you have not mailed it yet, please send
it to my home address, 4220 W. Southmor Road, Morris, IL 60450. Thanks for
the advice and encouragement.
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: How To Resize Airfoils |
Great Question ! I was asked how did you figure out how long the chord of the
airfoil was 24 inches away from the hub center. For those that are interested,
Go back and look at the drawing of the airfoil plan for my propeller. Notice
that the dimension of the front face of the propeller is 4.77 inches. The
thickness of the propeller at this station is 1. 27 inches. If you draw a diagonal
line from the leading edge to the trailing edge it forms a right triangle.
The chord is the hypotenuse of the right triangle. Remember A squared plus
B squared = C squared. In my example 4.77 squared + 1.27 squared = 24.36.
The square root of 24.36 = 4.93 inches. I think this is on the spreadsheet that
I attached earlier. And there are no dumb questions. Had I not asked how to
size airfoils, I'd still be scratching my head instead of making saw dust. I
needed a little help from the group. Thank You !
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| Subject: | It rolls before it flies |
Good People...
Here are some shots of Jim "Pickle Man" Haklin's Slovakian Pietenpol. Last Saturday
Jim and his Pietenpol were stars in the annual Valparaiso Indiana , Orville
Redenbacher Popcorn Festival Parade. He did a great job with stearing on the
parade route w/o one ground loop, and yes He did not disconcert the masses.
Jim is close to engine start up now so first flight should not be far off.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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| Subject: | FW: It rolls before it flies |
Lets try this again with pictures this time!
Richard Schreiber
lmforge@earthlink.net
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From: Richard Schreiber
Sent: 9/13/2011 3:59:50 PM
Subject: It rolls before it flies
Good People...
Here are some shots of Jim "Pickle Man" Haklin's Slovakian Pietenpol. Last Saturday
Jim and his Pietenpol were stars in the annual Valparaiso Indiana , Orville
Redenbacher Popcorn Festival Parade. He did a great job with stearing on the
parade route w/o one ground loop, and yes He did not disconcert the masses.
Jim is close to engine start up now so first flight should not be far off.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !2 |
Hi Vic,
How are you and Mike doing on the covering and painting? How about some update
pictures?
thanks and say Hi to Mike.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: How To Resize Airfoils |
I have a program called Profili 2 that will plot about 1000 different airfoils.
It originated in Italy. It was developed for ribs but will do exactly what you
guys are talking about. I think you can download it free but it won't print
or save. Basically you tell it
1 airfoil and chord width at start or big end
2 airfoil and chord width at small end
3 tell it how many ribs or templates you want
4 OK
Now you can print the drawings or in my case I export them to DXF files for cutting
on my router. I am not trying to sell the product just showing what is out
there. I just went to the web site and the basic program I have is 15 Euros.
I have used the program for 10 years to make rib sets models .... sailplanes
and powered.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop
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| Subject: | Re: How To Resize Airfoils |
Dan,
Why did you choose the Clark Y?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: dwilson <marwilson@charter.net>
Sent: Tue, Sep 13, 2011 3:17 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How To Resize Airfoils
Great Question ! I was asked how did you figure out how long the chord of
the
irfoil was 24 inches away from the hub center. For those that are interest
ed,
o back and look at the drawing of the airfoil plan for my propeller. Notic
e
hat the dimension of the front face of the propeller is 4.77 inches. The
hickness of the propeller at this station is 1. 27 inches. If you draw a
iagonal line from the leading edge to the trailing edge it forms a right
riangle. The chord is the hypotenuse of the right triangle. Remember A
quared plus B squared = C squared. In my example 4.77 squared + 1.27 squ
ared =
4.36. The square root of 24.36 = 4.93 inches. I think this is on the
preadsheet that I attached earlier. And there are no dumb questions. Had I
not
sked how to size airfoils, I'd still be scratching my head instead of makin
g
aw dust. I needed a little help from the group. Thank You !
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| Subject: | How to Resize Airfoils - Windows Version |
I spoke at length with Dan Wilson today and he convinced me to do a similar how-to
guide for Windows users. So check back in a couple of days. My goal is to
do it with freeware, so it costs nothing for you to do this.
Nothing against Profili. I just like free better. Check back in a day or so.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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Hi Joe
Sorry for the delay, yes it went out yesterday. Sorry for the delay.
It went to the address on the card you gave me.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: JOSEPH SWITHIN
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 2:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dick N.
Dick, Did you mail the copy of the fuse we talked about at Blakesburg?
If so, Thanks I look forward to receiving it. If you have not mailed it
yet, please send it to my home address, 4220 W. Southmor Road, Morris,
IL 60450. Thanks for the advice and encouragement.
Joe
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