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1. 03:57 AM - Re: Shock Cord (bubbleboy)
2. 04:24 AM - Re: Re: Shock Cord (Jack Phillips)
3. 04:40 AM - Re: Re: Control horns (Scott Knowlton)
4. 04:42 AM - Re: Shock Cord (bubbleboy)
5. 08:17 AM - Modified Seine Knot (Gary Boothe)
6. 08:40 AM - WACO fly-in (Troy, oh) (VanDy)
7. 09:31 AM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Jim Boyer)
8. 10:19 AM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Gary Boothe)
9. 12:05 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Michael Groah)
10. 01:12 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Jim Boyer)
11. 01:17 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Jim Boyer)
12. 01:22 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Gary Boothe)
13. 02:15 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Jack Phillips)
14. 02:16 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Gary Boothe)
15. 02:18 PM - Re: CG Question (Gary Boothe)
16. 02:29 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Gary Boothe)
17. 02:45 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (dgaldrich)
18. 03:53 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Jerry Dotson)
19. 04:20 PM - Re: Re: Modified Seine Knot (Gary Boothe)
20. 04:48 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Jim Boyer)
21. 05:27 PM - Re: Re: Modified Seine Knot (Gary Boothe)
22. 06:44 PM - Re: WACO fly-in (Troy, oh) (steve emo)
23. 06:58 PM - Re: Re: Control horns (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
24. 07:13 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (dgaldrich)
25. 07:52 PM - Re: Re: Control horns (Gary Boothe)
26. 11:45 PM - Re: Re: Control horns (mark lee)
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While on the subject of bungee chord, I have a mate who is ordering a pile of it
so im going to buy mine now. Im building the straight axle and am wondering
what approx length the chords need to be?
Thank you in advance.
Scotty
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Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair
engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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I always order 20 feet of 1/2" bungee. You actually need about 6-7 feet per
side, but you need enough of a "handle" to be able to tension it. 20 feet
works out about right.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:55 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord
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While on the subject of bungee chord, I have a mate who is ordering a pile
of it so im going to buy mine now. Im building the straight axle and am
wondering what approx length the chords need to be?
Thank you in advance.
Scotty
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Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start
fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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| Subject: | Re: Control horns |
Kevin. Scary and a good point to make about welding. As I got in to the skill
of gas welding my 16 year old was fascinated by the process and quickly became
quite capable at making beautiful fishscale welds using our oxy/acetelyne rig
(darn kids!). He moved on to welding galvanized fence rails into snow board
and skateboard rails for his friends. While being impressed by his enthusiasm
I became concerned about the possible harmfulness of the fumes when the galvanized
coating spewed out a whitish dust . Quick research revealed that the
dust is zinc and has really no harmful effects if inhaled other than possible
short term nausea. What did catch my eye was that some of the other coatings
on steel like cadmium and certain paints like zinc chromate are horribly toxic
when they reach their melting point which is well below that of steel. Full
ventilation or better yet removal of the coating is a must before hitting these
with a torch. I remember William Wynn addressing this in his Corvair manual
when talking about welding the engine.
Let's be careful out there.
Scott Knowlton.
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From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control horns
I sprayed zinc chromate inside and sloshed it around....
followed by my welder at work welding the metal tab on the piece. He was shocked
and amazed when the internal zinc chromate caught on fire and starting spewing
noxious gas at him.
I learned about welding/painting sequence from that one.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Thank you Jack! Much appreciated.
Scotty
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Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair
engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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| Subject: | Modified Seine Knot |
Let's see..so far I have accomplished the following: Build an engine, carve
a prop, build a gas tank, sheet metal cowling, welding, electrical, flight
controls, wing ribs & wings, fuselage..Why does learning this stupid knot,
without the aid of the video, seem to over-shadow all the rest?
Gary in Cool
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| Subject: | WACO fly-in (Troy, oh) |
Anybody there or going? In headed down in a little bit with the little one
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| Subject: | Re: Modified Seine Knot |
OK Gary so how much of the Piet have you got covered this week? I remember you
saying you were taking vacation and this was the time you were starting to cover.
Cheers,
Jim
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| Subject: | Modified Seine Knot |
Fortunately, Saturday was spent in a very productive re-wiring session
with Mike Studer.S, M, & T was a washout as I accepted a job
challenge in Phoenixso really didn=99t get started
=98till Wednesday. All tail surfaces are covered, and I just
finished stitching the H. Stab. Next weekend, my son, Ryan, is coming
over to assist with the fuselage. Then I=99ll do some painting
before starting cover on the wings.
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Boyer
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot
OK Gary so how much of the Piet have you got covered this week? I
remember you saying you were taking vacation and this was the time you
were starting to cover.
Cheers,
Jim
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| Subject: | Modified Seine Knot |
That's awesome Gary! I'm glad to see you're getting that covering done, but
slow down. How am I supposed to stay ahead of you when you're working so qu
ickly? I guess I'll have to get my wings down this next weekend and start t
heir covering. I've got the logos on the side of the fuselage and now I'll s
tart laying out for the stripe or spears down the side. I'm looking forward t
o seeing more pics of your covering as it moves forward.
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
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| Subject: | Re: Modified Seine Knot |
All tail surfaces covered sounds good. Obviously you now have the Siene (sp
) knot all figured out. Since Mike and Vic are painting their Piet Green, a
nd I plan on painting mine green. What color are you painting yours? I thin
k you said Green too at one time.
How about trim paint? Wings and fuselage , etc. all the same or wings and h
orizontal tail white or version of white?
You will=C2- be flying soon; I'm jealous.
Actually got engine mount gussets made and mount is at welders so will be r
eady to put on next week toward end of week. Also took off elevators and va
rnished them; hadn't done that yet. Looking forward to hanging engine soon
so I can finished wiring and get it running.
What is this deal with Phoenix and job? Are you moving to Phoenix? Wow will
this get the rumors started.
Good progress Gary; keep it up.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Modified Seine Knot |
Hi Mike,
Boy does that look nice. Have you got the cowl painted yet? We are going to
have to=C2- call Gary Speedy! He does more=C2- in one=C2- weekend th
an I get accomplished in a month.
You and Gary should both be flying soon at the rate you are going. Maybe ne
xt years West Coast Piet gathering will have some North California Piets pr
esent; that will be neat.
Great progress Mike.
Jim=C2- B.
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| Subject: | Modified Seine Knot |
Gorgeous, Mike!! I like the cockpit coping, too!
Gary
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Groah
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot
That's awesome Gary! I'm glad to see you're getting that covering done, but
slow down. How am I supposed to stay ahead of you when you're working so
quickly? I guess I'll have to get my wings down this next weekend and start
their covering. I've got the logos on the side of the fuselage and now I'll
start laying out for the stripe or spears down the side. I'm looking forward
to seeing more pics of your covering as it moves forward.
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
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| Subject: | Modified Seine Knot |
Use the video.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 11:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot
Let's see..so far I have accomplished the following: Build an engine, carve
a prop, build a gas tank, sheet metal cowling, welding, electrical, flight
controls, wing ribs & wings, fuselage..Why does learning this stupid knot,
without the aid of the video, seem to over-shadow all the rest?
Gary in Cool
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| Subject: | Modified Seine Knot |
Mike, Jim, Curt,
Ha-ha! In keeping with The Dan Helsper Tradition of Keeping Paint
Schemes Secret, I have moved entirely away from green, and the new color
is.
Just finished stitching all the tail parts, so, Yes, I can say
I=99ve got the knot down, now.even had a conversation
with my wife while doing a few knots, though she may have found me
unintelligible!
The trip to Phoenix was just for worknot to look at moving
there, though a move east of California may be in the offing, next
year.
Jim =93 keep me posted on your engine progress. I would like to
come over and crew for you when the happy day comes! back to
the shop.
Gary
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Boyer
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot
All tail surfaces covered sounds good. Obviously you now have the Siene
(sp) knot all figured out. Since Mike and Vic are painting their Piet
Green, and I plan on painting mine green. What color are you painting
yours? I think you said Green too at one time.
How about trim paint? Wings and fuselage , etc. all the same or wings
and horizontal tail white or version of white?
You will be flying soon; I'm jealous.
Actually got engine mount gussets made and mount is at welders so will
be ready to put on next week toward end of week. Also took off elevators
and varnished them; hadn't done that yet. Looking forward to hanging
engine soon so I can finished wiring and get it running.
What is this deal with Phoenix and job? Are you moving to Phoenix? Wow
will this get the rumors started.
Good progress Gary; keep it up.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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Larry,
She's looking great! Sorry, I don't have much input on W&B, except, if it's
not too difficult, I think I would prefer to be a little more forward of the
aft limit. Keep us posted..
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Morlock
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 7:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: CG Question
I have a question on CG limits. I have just completed the weight and
balance calculations on my Pietenpol (Model A engine, one piece wing, see
attached). My CG is within the limit of no more than 20 inches behind the
wing leading edge - just barely. Is there any value to moving the wing back
another inch so it has some margin ahead of the 20 inch limit?
Here's the numbers I calculated:
Empty weight with oil and water - 710 lbs
CG with 200 lb pilot and 10 gallons of fuel - 19.9 in behind LE
CG with 170 lb passenger - 20.1 in behind LE
The cabanes are already 2.5 inches back from vertical. Theoretically, I am
OK with the wing as it is, but would it be better to have it more toward the
center of the allowable CG range?
Appreciate any thoughts.
Larry Morlock
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| Subject: | Modified Seine Knot |
That's what I did, Jack! Took that laptop and set right next to me while
making the first row of knots. After 6 or 8 replays I had it down.
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 2:11 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot
Use the video.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 11:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot
Let's see..so far I have accomplished the following: Build an engine, carve
a prop, build a gas tank, sheet metal cowling, welding, electrical, flight
controls, wing ribs & wings, fuselage..Why does learning this stupid knot,
without the aid of the video, seem to over-shadow all the rest?
Gary in Cool
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| Subject: | Re: Modified Seine Knot |
The Stewart Systems guys use what they call the Beech Staggerwing knot. It's simpler
and just as effective, or so they say.
If you'd like, I'll airmail my wife out to help. She's assisted at the Polyfiber
demo area at SnF teaching the knot.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Modified Seine Knot |
I used the Beech Staggerwing knot. Worked for me. My hands are still sore. I used
a light leather glove to pull with. We finished Thursday. My brother helped
all the way. He is the one that works cheap and wears overalls! I think he counted
about 600 ties.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop
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| Subject: | Re: Modified Seine Knot |
WOW! You gave her up without a fight! ; -)
Thanks, anyhow, Dave, she'd just confuse me, now....
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dgaldrich
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 2:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modified Seine Knot
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The Stewart Systems guys use what they call the Beech Staggerwing knot.
It's simpler and just as effective, or so they say.
If you'd like, I'll airmail my wife out to help. She's assisted at the
Polyfiber demo area at SnF teaching the knot.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Modified Seine Knot |
I know Gary; I picked green before I even knew Don Emch was painting his Piet Green.
Now there are so many that are Green I may have to paint mine fuchia or
something.
I would really appreciate the help with getting the engine goine; will let you
know of my progress on it.
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Modified Seine Knot |
Know what you mean about the sore hands! Reminds me of the first day on the
commercial fishing boat when I was 15...took weeks to heal up! Hope I can
find some help for the wings...maybe I should take Dave up on his offer to
send his wife out. I don't think mine will go for it...
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 3:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modified Seine Knot
--> <jdotson@centurylink.net>
I used the Beech Staggerwing knot. Worked for me. My hands are still sore. I
used a light leather glove to pull with. We finished Thursday. My brother
helped all the way. He is the one that works cheap and wears overalls! I
think he counted about 600 ties.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop
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| Subject: | Re: WACO fly-in (Troy, oh) |
was there
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 11:38 AM, VanDy <matthew.vandervort@gmail.com>wrote:
> matthew.vandervort@gmail.com>
>
> Anybody there or going? In headed down in a little bit with the little one
>
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| Subject: | Re: Control horns |
You still need to be careful when working with zinc which is the coating
used during the galvanizing process and does contain trace amounts of lead.
Although there are not long term effects from the white zinc smoke, there
is still the possibility of zinc fume fever. Not overly dangerous but you
really do not want to induce a fever either. Its just not a smart thing to
do. Drinking milk following the exposure will permit the production of
mucus which will attract and collect the zinc and metallic particulate and
permit it to be ejected from the body through coughing.
The one you have to watch out for is welding stainless, the process
liberates chrome which is toxic so you want to be really careful when arc
welding stainless.
Sorry to be so long winded about it, however, what good is a great airplane
if you're not around to fly it.
By all means when in doubt consult the MSDS.
This has been your safety man minute and lecture for today, plese sign off
on the attached sheet verifying your attendance and participation in our
safety meeting.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Modified Seine Knot |
Sue loves the left coast and might even go voluntarily. She spend 33 years teaching
language arts (aka English) to teenagers so her mental health is still in
question...
She's so gonna kill me when she reads this thread....
Dave
really, really, do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352552#352552
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| Subject: | Re: Control horns |
Damn, John.you should get a job as a Safety Consultant.
Do not archive
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control horns
You still need to be careful when working with zinc which is the coating
used during the galvanizing process and does contain trace amounts of lead.
Although there are not long term effects from the white zinc smoke, there is
still the possibility of zinc fume fever. Not overly dangerous but you
really do not want to induce a fever either. Its just not a smart thing to
do. Drinking milk following the exposure will permit the production of mucus
which will attract and collect the zinc and metallic particulate and permit
it to be ejected from the body through coughing.
The one you have to watch out for is welding stainless, the process
liberates chrome which is toxic so you want to be really careful when arc
welding stainless.
Sorry to be so long winded about it, however, what good is a great airplane
if you're not around to fly it.
By all means when in doubt consult the MSDS.
This has been your safety man minute and lecture for today, plese sign off
on the attached sheet verifying your attendance and participation in our
safety meeting.
John
Do not archive, you just need to learn it
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| Subject: | Re: Control horns |
Years ago at a remote mine in Utah our welder needed to use some steel that
was galvanized. I got a good lung full when the slight breeze shifted and i
t
wasn't pleasant. It may not be really dangerous but I thought I was in real
trouble for a minute. We were able to continue after we ground the
galvanizing off further away from the welds. Once was enough for me.
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Damn, John=85you should get a job as a Safety Consultant=85****
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> Gary****
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> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *
> AMsafetyC@aol.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:56 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control horns****
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> You still need to be careful when working with zinc which is the coating
> used during the galvanizing process and does contain trace amounts of
> lead. Although there are not long term effects from the white zinc smoke
,
> there is still the possibility of zinc fume fever. Not overly dangerous b
ut
> you really do not want to induce a fever either. Its just not a smart th
ing
> to do. Drinking milk following the exposure will permit the production of
> mucus which will attract and collect the zinc and metallic particulate an
d
> permit it to be ejected from the body through coughing. ****
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> The one you have to watch out for is welding stainless, the process
> liberates chrome which is toxic so you want to be really careful when ar
c
> welding stainless.****
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> Sorry to be so long winded about it, however, what good is a great airpla
ne
> if you're not around to fly it. ****
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> By all means when in doubt consult the MSDS.****
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> This has been your safety man minute and lecture for today, plese sign of
f
> on the attached sheet verifying your attendance and participation in our
> safety meeting.****
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> John****
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> Do not archive, you just need to learn it****
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