---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/17/11: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:57 AM - Re: Shock Cord (bubbleboy) 2. 04:24 AM - Re: Re: Shock Cord (Jack Phillips) 3. 04:40 AM - Re: Re: Control horns (Scott Knowlton) 4. 04:42 AM - Re: Shock Cord (bubbleboy) 5. 08:17 AM - Modified Seine Knot (Gary Boothe) 6. 08:40 AM - WACO fly-in (Troy, oh) (VanDy) 7. 09:31 AM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Jim Boyer) 8. 10:19 AM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Gary Boothe) 9. 12:05 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Michael Groah) 10. 01:12 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Jim Boyer) 11. 01:17 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Jim Boyer) 12. 01:22 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Gary Boothe) 13. 02:15 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Jack Phillips) 14. 02:16 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Gary Boothe) 15. 02:18 PM - Re: CG Question (Gary Boothe) 16. 02:29 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Gary Boothe) 17. 02:45 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (dgaldrich) 18. 03:53 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Jerry Dotson) 19. 04:20 PM - Re: Re: Modified Seine Knot (Gary Boothe) 20. 04:48 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Jim Boyer) 21. 05:27 PM - Re: Re: Modified Seine Knot (Gary Boothe) 22. 06:44 PM - Re: WACO fly-in (Troy, oh) (steve emo) 23. 06:58 PM - Re: Re: Control horns (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 24. 07:13 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (dgaldrich) 25. 07:52 PM - Re: Re: Control horns (Gary Boothe) 26. 11:45 PM - Re: Re: Control horns (mark lee) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord From: "bubbleboy" While on the subject of bungee chord, I have a mate who is ordering a pile of it so im going to buy mine now. Im building the straight axle and am wondering what approx length the chords need to be? Thank you in advance. Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352502#352502 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:43 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord I always order 20 feet of 1/2" bungee. You actually need about 6-7 feet per side, but you need enough of a "handle" to be able to tension it. 20 feet works out about right. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:55 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord --> While on the subject of bungee chord, I have a mate who is ordering a pile of it so im going to buy mine now. Im building the straight axle and am wondering what approx length the chords need to be? Thank you in advance. Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352502#352502 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:08 AM PST US From: "Scott Knowlton " Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control horns Kevin. Scary and a good point to make about welding. As I got in to the skill of gas welding my 16 year old was fascinated by the process and quickly became quite capable at making beautiful fishscale welds using our oxy/acetelyne rig (darn kids!). He moved on to welding galvanized fence rails into snow board and skateboard rails for his friends. While being impressed by his enthusiasm I became concerned about the possible harmfulness of the fumes when the galvanized coating spewed out a whitish dust . Quick research revealed that the dust is zinc and has really no harmful effects if inhaled other than possible short term nausea. What did catch my eye was that some of the other coatings on steel like cadmium and certain paints like zinc chromate are horribly toxic when they reach their melting point which is well below that of steel. Full ventilation or better yet removal of the coating is a must before hitting these with a torch. I remember William Wynn addressing this in his Corvair manual when talking about welding the engine. Let's be careful out there. Scott Knowlton. -----Original Message----- From: kevinpurtee Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control horns I sprayed zinc chromate inside and sloshed it around.... followed by my welder at work welding the metal tab on the piece. He was shocked and amazed when the internal zinc chromate caught on fire and starting spewing noxious gas at him. I learned about welding/painting sequence from that one. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352491#352491 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord From: "bubbleboy" Thank you Jack! Much appreciated. Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352506#352506 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:54 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot Let's see..so far I have accomplished the following: Build an engine, carve a prop, build a gas tank, sheet metal cowling, welding, electrical, flight controls, wing ribs & wings, fuselage..Why does learning this stupid knot, without the aid of the video, seem to over-shadow all the rest? Gary in Cool ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:19 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: WACO fly-in (Troy, oh) From: "VanDy" Anybody there or going? In headed down in a little bit with the little one Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352513#352513 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:31:17 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot OK Gary so how much of the Piet have you got covered this week? I remember you saying you were taking vacation and this was the time you were starting to cover. Cheers, Jim ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:19:56 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot Fortunately, Saturday was spent in a very productive re-wiring session with Mike Studer.S, M, & T was a washout as I accepted a job challenge in Phoenixso really didn=99t get started =98till Wednesday. All tail surfaces are covered, and I just finished stitching the H. Stab. Next weekend, my son, Ryan, is coming over to assist with the fuselage. Then I=99ll do some painting before starting cover on the wings. Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:28 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot OK Gary so how much of the Piet have you got covered this week? I remember you saying you were taking vacation and this was the time you were starting to cover. Cheers, Jim ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:05:26 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot From: Michael Groah That's awesome Gary! I'm glad to see you're getting that covering done, but slow down. How am I supposed to stay ahead of you when you're working so qu ickly? I guess I'll have to get my wings down this next weekend and start t heir covering. I've got the logos on the side of the fuselage and now I'll s tart laying out for the stripe or spears down the side. I'm looking forward t o seeing more pics of your covering as it moves forward. Mike Groah Tulare CA Sent from my iPhone



________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:15 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot All tail surfaces covered sounds good. Obviously you now have the Siene (sp ) knot all figured out. Since Mike and Vic are painting their Piet Green, a nd I plan on painting mine green. What color are you painting yours? I thin k you said Green too at one time. How about trim paint? Wings and fuselage , etc. all the same or wings and h orizontal tail white or version of white? You will=C2- be flying soon; I'm jealous. Actually got engine mount gussets made and mount is at welders so will be r eady to put on next week toward end of week. Also took off elevators and va rnished them; hadn't done that yet. Looking forward to hanging engine soon so I can finished wiring and get it running. What is this deal with Phoenix and job? Are you moving to Phoenix? Wow will this get the rumors started. Good progress Gary; keep it up. Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:17:08 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot Hi Mike, Boy does that look nice. Have you got the cowl painted yet? We are going to have to=C2- call Gary Speedy! He does more=C2- in one=C2- weekend th an I get accomplished in a month. You and Gary should both be flying soon at the rate you are going. Maybe ne xt years West Coast Piet gathering will have some North California Piets pr esent; that will be neat. Great progress Mike. Jim=C2- B. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:21 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot Gorgeous, Mike!! I like the cockpit coping, too! Gary Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Groah Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:03 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot That's awesome Gary! I'm glad to see you're getting that covering done, but slow down. How am I supposed to stay ahead of you when you're working so quickly? I guess I'll have to get my wings down this next weekend and start their covering. I've got the logos on the side of the fuselage and now I'll start laying out for the stripe or spears down the side. I'm looking forward to seeing more pics of your covering as it moves forward. Mike Groah Tulare CA ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:15:05 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot Use the video. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 11:16 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot Let's see..so far I have accomplished the following: Build an engine, carve a prop, build a gas tank, sheet metal cowling, welding, electrical, flight controls, wing ribs & wings, fuselage..Why does learning this stupid knot, without the aid of the video, seem to over-shadow all the rest? Gary in Cool ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:16:46 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot Mike, Jim, Curt, Ha-ha! In keeping with The Dan Helsper Tradition of Keeping Paint Schemes Secret, I have moved entirely away from green, and the new color is. Just finished stitching all the tail parts, so, Yes, I can say I=99ve got the knot down, now.even had a conversation with my wife while doing a few knots, though she may have found me unintelligible! The trip to Phoenix was just for worknot to look at moving there, though a move east of California may be in the offing, next year. Jim =93 keep me posted on your engine progress. I would like to come over and crew for you when the happy day comes! back to the shop. Gary Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 1:10 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot All tail surfaces covered sounds good. Obviously you now have the Siene (sp) knot all figured out. Since Mike and Vic are painting their Piet Green, and I plan on painting mine green. What color are you painting yours? I think you said Green too at one time. How about trim paint? Wings and fuselage , etc. all the same or wings and horizontal tail white or version of white? You will be flying soon; I'm jealous. Actually got engine mount gussets made and mount is at welders so will be ready to put on next week toward end of week. Also took off elevators and varnished them; hadn't done that yet. Looking forward to hanging engine soon so I can finished wiring and get it running. What is this deal with Phoenix and job? Are you moving to Phoenix? Wow will this get the rumors started. Good progress Gary; keep it up. Cheers, Jim B. 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:19 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: CG Question Larry, She's looking great! Sorry, I don't have much input on W&B, except, if it's not too difficult, I think I would prefer to be a little more forward of the aft limit. Keep us posted.. Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Morlock Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 7:12 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: CG Question I have a question on CG limits. I have just completed the weight and balance calculations on my Pietenpol (Model A engine, one piece wing, see attached). My CG is within the limit of no more than 20 inches behind the wing leading edge - just barely. Is there any value to moving the wing back another inch so it has some margin ahead of the 20 inch limit? Here's the numbers I calculated: Empty weight with oil and water - 710 lbs CG with 200 lb pilot and 10 gallons of fuel - 19.9 in behind LE CG with 170 lb passenger - 20.1 in behind LE The cabanes are already 2.5 inches back from vertical. Theoretically, I am OK with the wing as it is, but would it be better to have it more toward the center of the allowable CG range? Appreciate any thoughts. Larry Morlock ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:01 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot That's what I did, Jack! Took that laptop and set right next to me while making the first row of knots. After 6 or 8 replays I had it down. Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 2:11 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot Use the video. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 11:16 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot Let's see..so far I have accomplished the following: Build an engine, carve a prop, build a gas tank, sheet metal cowling, welding, electrical, flight controls, wing ribs & wings, fuselage..Why does learning this stupid knot, without the aid of the video, seem to over-shadow all the rest? Gary in Cool ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:45:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modified Seine Knot From: "dgaldrich" The Stewart Systems guys use what they call the Beech Staggerwing knot. It's simpler and just as effective, or so they say. If you'd like, I'll airmail my wife out to help. She's assisted at the Polyfiber demo area at SnF teaching the knot. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352539#352539 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modified Seine Knot From: "Jerry Dotson" I used the Beech Staggerwing knot. Worked for me. My hands are still sore. I used a light leather glove to pull with. We finished Thursday. My brother helped all the way. He is the one that works cheap and wears overalls! I think he counted about 600 ties. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 now covering 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 Jay Anderson CloudCars prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352541#352541 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_7228_179.jpg ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:50 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modified Seine Knot WOW! You gave her up without a fight! ; -) Thanks, anyhow, Dave, she'd just confuse me, now.... Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dgaldrich Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 2:43 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modified Seine Knot --> The Stewart Systems guys use what they call the Beech Staggerwing knot. It's simpler and just as effective, or so they say. If you'd like, I'll airmail my wife out to help. She's assisted at the Polyfiber demo area at SnF teaching the knot. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352539#352539 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:04 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot I know Gary; I picked green before I even knew Don Emch was painting his Piet Green. Now there are so many that are Green I may have to paint mine fuchia or something. I would really appreciate the help with getting the engine goine; will let you know of my progress on it. Jim B. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:11 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modified Seine Knot Know what you mean about the sore hands! Reminds me of the first day on the commercial fishing boat when I was 15...took weeks to heal up! Hope I can find some help for the wings...maybe I should take Dave up on his offer to send his wife out. I don't think mine will go for it... Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 3:51 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modified Seine Knot --> I used the Beech Staggerwing knot. Worked for me. My hands are still sore. I used a light leather glove to pull with. We finished Thursday. My brother helped all the way. He is the one that works cheap and wears overalls! I think he counted about 600 ties. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 now covering 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 Jay Anderson CloudCars prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352541#352541 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_7228_179.jpg ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: WACO fly-in (Troy, oh) From: steve emo was there On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 11:38 AM, VanDy wrote: > matthew.vandervort@gmail.com> > > Anybody there or going? In headed down in a little bit with the little one > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352513#352513 > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:28 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control horns You still need to be careful when working with zinc which is the coating used during the galvanizing process and does contain trace amounts of lead. Although there are not long term effects from the white zinc smoke, there is still the possibility of zinc fume fever. Not overly dangerous but you really do not want to induce a fever either. Its just not a smart thing to do. Drinking milk following the exposure will permit the production of mucus which will attract and collect the zinc and metallic particulate and permit it to be ejected from the body through coughing. The one you have to watch out for is welding stainless, the process liberates chrome which is toxic so you want to be really careful when arc welding stainless. Sorry to be so long winded about it, however, what good is a great airplane if you're not around to fly it. By all means when in doubt consult the MSDS. This has been your safety man minute and lecture for today, plese sign off on the attached sheet verifying your attendance and participation in our safety meeting. John Do not archive, you just need to learn it ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modified Seine Knot From: "dgaldrich" Sue loves the left coast and might even go voluntarily. She spend 33 years teaching language arts (aka English) to teenagers so her mental health is still in question... She's so gonna kill me when she reads this thread.... Dave really, really, do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352552#352552 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:52 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control horns Damn, John.you should get a job as a Safety Consultant. Do not archive Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control horns You still need to be careful when working with zinc which is the coating used during the galvanizing process and does contain trace amounts of lead. Although there are not long term effects from the white zinc smoke, there is still the possibility of zinc fume fever. Not overly dangerous but you really do not want to induce a fever either. Its just not a smart thing to do. Drinking milk following the exposure will permit the production of mucus which will attract and collect the zinc and metallic particulate and permit it to be ejected from the body through coughing. The one you have to watch out for is welding stainless, the process liberates chrome which is toxic so you want to be really careful when arc welding stainless. Sorry to be so long winded about it, however, what good is a great airplane if you're not around to fly it. By all means when in doubt consult the MSDS. This has been your safety man minute and lecture for today, plese sign off on the attached sheet verifying your attendance and participation in our safety meeting. John Do not archive, you just need to learn it ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control horns From: mark lee Years ago at a remote mine in Utah our welder needed to use some steel that was galvanized. I got a good lung full when the slight breeze shifted and i t wasn't pleasant. It may not be really dangerous but I thought I was in real trouble for a minute. We were able to continue after we ground the galvanizing off further away from the welds. Once was enough for me. On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Damn, John=85you should get a job as a Safety Consultant=85**** > > ** ** > > Do not archive**** > > Gary**** > > ** ** > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of * > AMsafetyC@aol.com > *Sent:* Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:56 PM > > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control horns**** > > ** ** > > You still need to be careful when working with zinc which is the coating > used during the galvanizing process and does contain trace amounts of > lead. Although there are not long term effects from the white zinc smoke , > there is still the possibility of zinc fume fever. Not overly dangerous b ut > you really do not want to induce a fever either. Its just not a smart th ing > to do. Drinking milk following the exposure will permit the production of > mucus which will attract and collect the zinc and metallic particulate an d > permit it to be ejected from the body through coughing. **** > > **** > > The one you have to watch out for is welding stainless, the process > liberates chrome which is toxic so you want to be really careful when ar c > welding stainless.**** > > **** > > Sorry to be so long winded about it, however, what good is a great airpla ne > if you're not around to fly it. **** > > **** > > By all means when in doubt consult the MSDS.**** > > **** > > This has been your safety man minute and lecture for today, plese sign of f > on the attached sheet verifying your attendance and participation in our > safety meeting.**** > > **** > > John**** > > **** > > Do not archive, you just need to learn it**** > > **** > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.