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1. 12:53 AM - Re: Re: Control horns (Clif Dawson)
2. 09:18 AM - Re: Mitsubishi engine run up with prop! (shad bell)
3. 09:26 AM - Polyurethane paint coverage estimate (shad bell)
4. 10:59 AM - Re: Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !2 (V Groah)
5. 11:07 AM - Re: Polyurethane paint coverage estimate (Doug Dever)
6. 11:31 AM - Re: Polyurethane paint coverage estimate (shad bell)
7. 01:47 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (dwilson)
8. 02:14 PM - Re: Re: Modified Seine Knot (jim_markle@mindspring.com)
9. 02:45 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot2 (jorge lizarraga)
10. 05:45 PM - Re: Re: Modified Seine Knot (Jack)
11. 06:58 PM - Re: Polyurethane paint coverage estimate (Doug Dever)
12. 07:31 PM - Re: Re: Modified Seine Knot (Clif Dawson)
13. 07:56 PM - Re: Can anyone identify this plane? (PatrickW)
14. 08:20 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (dwilson)
15. 09:01 PM - Re: Re: Modified Seine Knot (Gary Boothe)
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Subject: | Re: Control horns |
Re Kevins post about welding zinc chromated horns.
You might want to read this;
http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/zincchromate/recognition.html
Zinc oxide is used topicaly in skin creams of all sorts, but;
http://www.sciencestuff.com/msds/C2997.html
Clif
You still need to be careful when working with zinc which is the
coating used during the galvanizing process and does contain trace
amounts of lead.
The one you have to watch out for is welding stainless, the process
liberates chrome which is toxic so you want to be really careful when
arc welding stainless.
By all means when in doubt consult the MSDS.
John
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Subject: | Mitsubishi engine run up with prop! |
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!- That will be yet another new piet/engine combinat
ion.-
Shad
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Subject: | Polyurethane paint coverage estimate |
Group, I was wondering how many gallons of paint it takes to paint a piet s
ized airplane (polyurethane, high gloss)-.- I have a small bipe I am bu
ilding, and I got a great price on 4 gallons of recently expired shelf life
gloss red aircraft paint (free).- With the price of paint especcially re
d, It would save me close to $500+.- All I would need would be to buy X a
mout of gals of white aero thane and use red as a trim color.- I really w
anted orange/white, but an orange-ish red and white would work to , on a ju
ngster replica.- Maybe do the Ernst Kessler style scheme for you Waldo Nu
ts.- I will sacrifice some of the paint to cover up a test panel to throw
out in the sun for a year or so of sun and weather exposure to see if it a
dheres and or cracks.
-
Shad
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Subject: | Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !2 |
I have been doing a lot of car touring and not much plane building this mon
th. Everything is painted and reassembled except the wings. We have sever
al hours on the engine and it checks out ok. Mike has started applying the
graphics. His machine broke down so I bought one. We had planed to be fa
ther along on that part. He is doing a great job. I like the design he ha
s come up with. I will car tour again next week then we will put the plane
in the car trailer and get the wings down and finish them.
We are having a problem with the hanger we were promised. It will not come
through. We will have to go to Visalia. Not too bad but not as convenien
t as Tulare. Costs more too.
I hope Mike will have time to put the rest of the graphics on the fuse soon
. Then we will send you some pictures. The main part is done.
Now that you have gotten all that doctor stuff done I hope you are making g
reat progress and we will see some great photos at the next Piet meet=2C ma
ybe a finished plane???? The great helper of yours should be pushing you
along.
Thanks for the note and for keeping in touch. The close bond with us west
coast builders is one of the things that keeps us going and makes it fun.
Thanks for the nudge. Vic
do not archive
From: boyerjrb@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !2
Hi Vic=2C
How are you and Mike doing on the covering and painting? How about some upd
ate pictures?
thanks and say Hi to Mike.
Jim
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Subject: | Re: Polyurethane paint coverage estimate |
If I remember right, (it's been a long time)-I think we used a little ove
r 1 1/2 gal on the Tri-Pacers we did.- That was after all the filler coat
s.- My dad got field approval to use automotive urethane.- We just put
a flex agent in the paint.- One of them that I know of still had the same
paint job 25yrs later.- No cracks.- Still shined.-- I do not remem
ber exactly how much weight it added.- I think about 20lbs over the cotto
n and dope it replaced.- When I get farther along I plan on doing 1 yd te
st panels to see what rout I want to go.=0A-=0AMy .02=0A-=0ADoug=0A=0AF
rom: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
=0ASent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 12:23 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Pol
yurethane paint coverage estimate=0A=0AGroup, I was wondering how many gall
ons of paint it takes to paint a piet sized airplane (polyurethane, high gl
oss)-.- I have a small bipe I am building, and I got a great price on 4
gallons of recently expired shelf life gloss red aircraft paint (free).-
With the price of paint especcially red, It would save me close to $500+.
- All I would need would be to buy X amout of gals of white aero thane an
d use red as a trim color.- I really wanted orange/white, but an orange-i
sh red and white would work to , on a jungster replica.- Maybe do the Ern
st Kessler style scheme for you Waldo Nuts.- I will sacrifice some of the
paint to cover up a test panel to throw out in the sun for a year or so of
sun and weather exposure to see if it adheres and or cracks.=0A=0AShad =0A
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Subject: | Re: Polyurethane paint coverage estimate |
Thanks Doug, I was thinking total finish coats would add up to about 4-5 ga
ls.- I don't think the difference in weight would be too bad, considering
it would only take about 1 1/2 cross coats to hide the silver, when using
the same paint I have, 2 coats is usually enough on the jets, some times 3.
- It is a pain it the a$$ to strip though.
-
Shad
--- On Sun, 9/18/11, Doug Dever <helio400@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Doug Dever <helio400@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Polyurethane paint coverage estimate
If I remember right, (it's been a long time)-I think we used a little ove
r 1 1/2 gal on the Tri-Pacers we did.- That was after all the filler coat
s.- My dad got field approval to use automotive urethane.- We just put
a flex agent in the paint.- One of them that I know of still had the same
paint job 25yrs later.- No cracks.- Still shined.-- I do not remem
ber exactly how much weight it added.- I think about 20lbs over the cotto
n and dope it replaced.- When I get farther along I plan on doing 1 yd te
st panels to see what rout I want to go.
-
My .02
-
Doug
From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 12:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Polyurethane paint coverage estimate
Group, I was wondering how many gallons of paint it takes to paint a piet s
ized airplane (polyurethane, high gloss)-.- I have a small bipe I am bu
ilding, and I got a great price on 4 gallons of recently expired shelf life
gloss red aircraft paint (free).- With the price of paint especcially re
d, It would save me close to $500+.- All I would need would be to buy X a
mout of gals of white aero thane and use red as a trim color.- I really w
anted orange/white, but an orange-ish red and white would work to , on a ju
ngster replica.- Maybe do the Ernst Kessler style scheme for you Waldo Nu
ts.- I will sacrifice some of the paint to cover up a test panel to throw
out in the sun for a year or so of sun and weather exposure to see if it a
dheres and or cracks.
-
Shad
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Subject: | Re: Modified Seine Knot |
During Oshkosh there is a wing jig available that is used to teach rib stitching.
Would there be any interest in having such a jig available to learn how to
tie these knots during Broadhead?
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Subject: | Re: Modified Seine Knot |
Yes
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modified Seine Knot
Sent: Sep 18, 2011 4:43 PM
During Oshkosh there is a wing jig available that is used to teach rib stitching.
Would there be any interest in having such a jig available to learn how to
tie these knots during Broadhead?
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Subject: | Modified Seine Knot2 |
just another wonderfull museum pice from these piet lovers great job guys c
on grat I whisch my looks like but bery far back seyou in the air flyboys ,
jorge from hanfor
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From: Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot
That's awesome Gary!- I'm glad to see you're getting that covering done,
but slow down. How am I supposed to stay ahead of you when you're working s
o quickly?- I guess I'll have to get my wings down this next weekend and
start their covering.- I've got the logos on the side of the fuselage and
now I'll start laying out for the stripe or spears down the side. I'm look
ing forward to seeing more pics of your covering as it moves forward.
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
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Subject: | Re: Modified Seine Knot |
That would be great Dan. As you know I've spent some time on the jig at
OSH.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dwilson
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 3:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modified Seine Knot
During Oshkosh there is a wing jig available that is used to teach rib
stitching. Would there be any interest in having such a jig available to
learn how to tie these knots during Broadhead?
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Subject: | Polyurethane paint coverage estimate |
To give you an idea. I did a '63 Ford Falcon Convertable last summer. A s
hade less than 3 quarts of color and a Gallon of clear. And we put 5 good
wet coats of clear on. (needed to wet sand and buff to mirror finnish). T
hat was=2C of course=2C doing all the door jams and door edges where most o
f the paint is lost. There is very little loss on an aircraft because it's
mostly flat panels. Keep in mind though=2C With a high pressure gun only
about 30-40% of the paint sticks to the surface. The rest is lost. Using
an HVLP=2C 60-70% of the paint sticks.
So if you were to "use" 3 gal of paint on an airplane=2C only 1 gal is actu
ally "on" it. Minus the solvents. So=2C weight wise it's not as much as y
ou would think.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: aviatorbell@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Polyurethane paint coverage estimate
Thanks Doug=2C I was thinking total finish coats would add up to about 4-5
gals. I don't think the difference in weight would be too bad=2C consideri
ng it would only take about 1 1/2 cross coats to hide the silver=2C when us
ing the same paint I have=2C 2 coats is usually enough on the jets=2C some
times 3. It is a pain it the a$$ to strip though.
Shad
--- On Sun=2C 9/18/11=2C Doug Dever <helio400@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Doug Dever <helio400@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Polyurethane paint coverage estimate
If I remember right=2C (it's been a long time) I think we used a little ove
r 1 1/2 gal on the Tri-Pacers we did. That was after all the filler coats.
My dad got field approval to use automotive urethane. We just put a flex
agent in the paint. One of them that I know of still had the same paint j
ob 25yrs later. No cracks. Still shined. I do not remember exactly how
much weight it added. I think about 20lbs over the cotton and dope it repl
aced. When I get farther along I plan on doing 1 yd test panels to see wha
t rout I want to go.
My .02
Doug
From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday=2C September 18=2C 2011 12:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Polyurethane paint coverage estimate
Group=2C I was wondering how many gallons of paint it takes to paint a piet
sized airplane (polyurethane=2C high gloss) . I have a small bipe I am bu
ilding=2C and I got a great price on 4 gallons of recently expired shelf li
fe gloss red aircraft paint (free). With the price of paint especcially re
d=2C It would save me close to $500+. All I would need would be to buy X a
mout of gals of white aero thane and use red as a trim color. I really wan
ted orange/white=2C but an orange-ish red and white would work to =2C on a
jungster replica. Maybe do the Ernst Kessler style scheme for you Waldo Nu
ts. I will sacrifice some of the paint to cover up a test panel to throw o
ut in the sun for a year or so of sun and weather exposure to see if it adh
eres and or cracks.
Shad
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Subject: | Re: Modified Seine Knot |
It's not anything like this, is it?
Clif
>
> During Oshkosh there is a wing jig available that is used to teach rib
> stitching. Would there be any interest in having such a jig available to
> learn how to tie these knots during Broadhead?
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Subject: | Re: Can anyone identify this plane? |
>From the odd curvature of the forward tube of the rudder, and the narrow landing
gear, it's possible that this is a Albany-Washowski variant of a Longster.
Radius of the rudder curve would have matched that of a maple tree in old Mr Washowski's
back yard near Albany, MN, around that time.
The engine isn't original, of course, assuming that's what this is. That looks
like a VW in the picture. Don't think there were VW's back then (or plastic
fuel tanks). Don't see the 3 cylinder Anzani's very much.
No telling what kind of interesting stuff can be found in old Minnesota barns...
- Pat
--------
Patrick Hoyt
601XLb/Corvair
N63PZ - 99.999% done....
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Subject: | Re: Modified Seine Knot |
I was thinking about building a jig. I'd use three or four piet ribs and actually
tak the fabric to the jig. I thought it would be a good idea to leave the
ends open just so you could see how one single length of rib lacing chord wraps
around the rib and secures both the top and bottom of the fabric. I think
it would be great for those that have not rib stitched and wanted to learn how.
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Subject: | Re: Modified Seine Knot |
3 or 4 ribs!! That'd take at least a year!
Gary in Cool
Do not archive - for Heaven's sake!
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dwilson
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 8:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modified Seine Knot
I was thinking about building a jig. I'd use three or four piet ribs and
actually tak the fabric to the jig. I thought it would be a good idea to
leave the ends open just so you could see how one single length of rib
lacing chord wraps around the rib and secures both the top and bottom of the
fabric. I think it would be great for those that have not rib stitched and
wanted to learn how.
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