---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/22/11: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:57 AM - undercamber (airlion) 2. 10:32 AM - Re: undercamber (Dan Yocum) 3. 01:35 PM - Re: undercamber (airlion) 4. 02:05 PM - Re: Retractable sliding step (Ryan Mueller) 5. 02:42 PM - Re: Retractable sliding step (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 6. 04:38 PM - Re: Retractable sliding step (helspersew@aol.com) 7. 05:13 PM - Rebuilding an A-65 (Dave Nielsen) 8. 05:42 PM - Re: Rebuilding an A-65 (Isablcorky@aol.com) 9. 05:43 PM - Re: Rebuilding an A-65 (Isablcorky@aol.com) 10. 10:42 PM - Re: Rebuilding an A-65 (bender) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:54 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Pietenpol-List: undercamber Why did Bernie put the undercamber on his airfoil? what does it do to the flight characteristics, and what would happen if I installed a filler strip to make it flat? Cheers, Gardiner ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:32:45 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: undercamber Gardiner, Do you have the 1932 Flying and Glider Manual? It's a good read and outlines why Bernard used the airfoil that he did. He experimented with a lot of them and this one was the best he could find. It's based loosely on the Jenny airfoil, but is closer to one designed by Eiffel, if I recall correctly. The reason the Piet is faster than a Cub is because of the FC-10 airfoil. Anyway, the manual is cheap - $6.95 + S&H from the EAA online store: http://www.shopeaa.com/1932flyingandglidermanual.aspx Cheers, Dan PS Stop dilly-dallying with "what-ifs" and get back to building! ;-) On 09/22/2011 11:55 AM, airlion wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: airlion > > Why did Bernie put the undercamber on his airfoil? what does it do to the flight > characteristics, and what would happen if I installed a filler strip to make it > flat? Cheers, Gardiner > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:35:20 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: undercamber While I am building my ribs(only 6 more to go) I just keep thinking all kind of what ifs. I should be able to start assembling my wings soon. Thanks for the reply Dan. Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: Dan Yocum Sent: Thu, September 22, 2011 1:30:14 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: undercamber Gardiner, Do you have the 1932 Flying and Glider Manual? It's a good read and outlines why Bernard used the airfoil that he did. He experimented with a lot of them and this one was the best he could find. It's based loosely on the Jenny airfoil, but is closer to one designed by Eiffel, if I recall correctly. The reason the Piet is faster than a Cub is because of the FC-10 airfoil. Anyway, the manual is cheap - $6.95 + S&H from the EAA online store: http://www.shopeaa.com/1932flyingandglidermanual.aspx Cheers, Dan PS Stop dilly-dallying with "what-ifs" and get back to building! ;-) On 09/22/2011 11:55 AM, airlion wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: airlion > > Why did Bernie put the undercamber on his airfoil? what does it do to the >flight > characteristics, and what would happen if I installed a filler strip to make it > flat? Cheers, Gardiner > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:05:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Retractable sliding step From: Ryan Mueller Looks good....just curious....which plans page has the step on it? I think I forgot to order that one, just want to pick up a copy from the family...thanks, Ryan On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:33 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wrote: > > Members: > > Here are some photos I made of my step which I created last year. The key > here is light wall tubing slid inside another tube. The buttons are called > step buttons found in aluminum canes or crutches. They will allow for my > step to slide out and lock into the correct 6" length. Then push the button > in and they slide back into the sleeve. I placed this set-up as as far back > as I could under my seat. Used small pieces of ash bolted through my 1/4" > thick floor! > > So now... flame away as I added MORE weight to the rear of the fuse! I will > have the nicest easy to get into..outside control horned..looking Pietenpol > "brick" in the country! However, I am keeping it to plans! > > > *KMHeide* > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:42:34 PM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Retractable sliding step ..it comes as a suppliment when you order the gear leg plans, the orginal gear legs.... no stinking cub landing gear here! KMHeide --- On Thu, 9/22/11, Ryan Mueller wrote: > From: Ryan Mueller > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Retractable sliding step > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, September 22, 2011, 4:02 PM > Looks good....just curious....which plans > page has the step on it? I think I forgot to order that one, > just want to pick up a copy from the family...thanks, > Ryan > > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:33 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP > wrote: > > > Members: > Here are some photos > I made of my step which I created last year. The key here is > light wall tubing slid inside another tube. The buttons are > called step buttons found in aluminum canes or crutches. > They will allow for my step to slide out and lock into the > correct 6" length. Then push the button in and they > slide back into the sleeve. I placed this set-up as as far > back as I could under my seat. Used small pieces of ash > bolted through my 1/4" thick floor! > > So now... flame away > as I added MORE weight to the rear of the fuse! I will have > the nicest easy to get into..outside control horned..looking > Pietenpol "brick" in the country! However, I > am keeping it to plans! > > KMHeide > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Retractable sliding step From: helspersew@aol.com Ryan, I thought I had made this all clear, when I discovered that "lost page" a c ouple of years ago.......you need to monitor the list more attentively..... . Sorry to be so harsh. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Sent: Thu, Sep 22, 2011 4:42 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Retractable sliding step com> ..it comes as a suppliment when you order the gear leg plans, the orginal g ear egs.... no stinking cub landing gear here! KMHeide -- On Thu, 9/22/11, Ryan Mueller wrote: > From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Retractable sliding step To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Date: Thursday, September 22, 2011, 4:02 PM Looks good....just curious....which plans page has the step on it? I think I forgot to order that one, just want to pick up a copy from the family...thanks, Ryan On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:33 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wrote: Members: Here are some photos I made of my step which I created last year. The key here is light wall tubing slid inside another tube. The buttons are called step buttons found in aluminum canes or crutches. They will allow for my step to slide out and lock into the correct 6" length. Then push the button in and they slide back into the sleeve. I placed this set-up as as far back as I could under my seat. Used small pieces of ash bolted through my 1/4" thick floor! So now... flame away as I added MORE weight to the rear of the fuse! I will have the nicest easy to get into..outside control horned..looking Pietenpol "brick" in the country! However, I am keeping it to plans! KMHeide -======================== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rebuilding an A-65 From: Dave Nielsen I am rebuilding an A-65 with practically all new parts. Can anyone tell me if there is a specific orientation to the pistons and the connecting rod? T he con rods have the oil holes in the bottom. Do the con rod numbers face t he mags or the prop? How about the pistons. Or does it make a difference? "Bat Cave" Dave -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Mueller Sent: Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:05 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Retractable sliding step Looks good....just curious....which plans page has the step on it? I think I forgot to order that one, just want to pick up a copy from the family...t hanks, Ryan On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:33 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wrote: Members: Here are some photos I made of my step which I created last year. The key h ere is light wall tubing slid inside another tube. The buttons are called s tep buttons found in aluminum canes or crutches. They will allow for my ste p to slide out and lock into the correct 6" length. Then push the button in and they slide back into the sleeve. I placed this set-up as as far back a s I could under my seat. Used small pieces of ash bolted through my 1/4" th ick floor! So now... flame away as I added MORE weight to the rear of the fuse! I will have the nicest easy to get into..outside control horned..looking Pietenpo l "brick" in the country! However, I am keeping it to plans! KMHeide -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:47 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rebuilding an A-65 In a message dated 9/22/2011 7:13:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sentuchows@aol.com writes: I am rebuilding an A-65 with practically all new parts. Can anyone tell me if there is a specific orientation to the pistons and the connecting rod? The con rods have the oil holes in the bottom. Do the con rod numbers face the mags or the prop? How about the pistons. Or does it make a difference? "Bat Cave" Dave -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Mueller Sent: Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:05 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Retractable sliding step Looks good....just curious....which plans page has the step on it? I think I forgot to order that one, just want to pick up a copy from the family...thanks, Ryan On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:33 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <_kmheidecpo@yahoo.com_ (mailto:kmheidecpo@yahoo.com) > wrote: Members: Here are some photos I made of my step which I created last year. The key here is light wall tubing slid inside another tube. The buttons are called step buttons found in aluminum canes or crutches. They will allow for my step to slide out and lock into the correct 6" length. Then push the button in and they slide back into the sleeve. I placed this set-up as as far back as I could under my seat. Used small pieces of ash bolted through my 1/4" thick floor! So now... flame away as I added MORE weight to the rear of the fuse! I will have the nicest easy to get into..outside control horned..looking Pietenpol "brick" in the country! However, I am keeping it to plans! KMHeide " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:51 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rebuilding an A-65 In a message dated 9/22/2011 7:13:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sentuchows@aol.com writes: I am rebuilding an A-65 with practically all new parts. Can anyone tell me if there is a specific orientation to the pistons and the connecting rod? The con rods have the oil holes in the bottom. Do the con rod numbers face the mags or the prop? How about the pistons. Or does it make a difference? "Bat Cave" Dave -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Mueller Sent: Thu, Sep 22, 2011 5:05 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Retractable sliding step Looks good....just curious....which plans page has the step on it? I think I forgot to order that one, just want to pick up a copy from the family...thanks, Ryan On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:33 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <_kmheidecpo@yahoo.com_ (mailto:kmheidecpo@yahoo.com) > wrote: Members: Here are some photos I made of my step which I created last year. The key here is light wall tubing slid inside another tube. The buttons are called step buttons found in aluminum canes or crutches. They will allow for my step to slide out and lock into the correct 6" length. Then push the button in and they slide back into the sleeve. I placed this set-up as as far back as I could under my seat. Used small pieces of ash bolted through my 1/4" thick floor! So now... flame away as I added MORE weight to the rear of the fuse! I will have the nicest easy to get into..outside control horned..looking Pietenpol "brick" in the country! However, I am keeping it to plans! KMHeide " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) Buy yourself a service manual and enroll in a mechanics trade school ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rebuilding an A-65 From: "bender" i have manuals at the hangar... i'll take a look jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353021#353021 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.