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This has befuddeled me for several years. I thought I knew engines. I'm giving
the Piet list first chance to come up with an answer for me. Does anyone know
anything about the attached engine? Watercooled, 5 cyl radial, dual plugs,
Bosch injected, Garrett turbocharged, prop reduction belts. I suspect it is
a one-of but that's a LOT of work and expense. Any gearheads out there have some
ideas?
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Subject: | Re: Mystery engine |
Maybe a Wankel Rotary engine?
-----Original Message-----
>From: MyrickPiet <N762sierra@gmail.com>
>Sent: Sep 25, 2011 8:37 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mystery engine
>
>
>This has befuddeled me for several years. I thought I knew engines. I'm giving
the Piet list first chance to come up with an answer for me. Does anyone know
anything about the attached engine? Watercooled, 5 cyl radial, dual plugs,
Bosch injected, Garrett turbocharged, prop reduction belts. I suspect it is
a one-of but that's a LOT of work and expense. Any gearheads out there have
some ideas?
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353153#353153
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Mystery engine |
MyrickPiet wrote:
> This has befuddeled me for several years. I thought I knew engines. I'm giving
the Piet list first chance to come up with an answer for me. Does anyone
know anything about the attached engine? Watercooled, 5 cyl radial, dual plugs,
Bosch injected, Garrett turbocharged, prop reduction belts. I suspect it is
a one-of but that's a LOT of work and expense. Any gearheads out there have
some ideas?
It's not a Wankel because it has 5 injectors, Wankels only have one injector/ firing
per rev for each rotor and this has one bank of radial cylinders.
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Subject: | Re: Mystery engine |
Actually, I think that the radial engine is on a stand next to this engine, because
you don't see the cylinders in subsequent pictures.
I think that it is a single rotor rotary engine, but I am by no means an engine
expert. I am going to post the photos on a rotary engine forum and see what they
come up with.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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Subject: | Re: Mystery engine |
Notice how the turbo sends induction air into a rear plenum? This would seem to
indicate some sort of sleeve port for each cylinder to receive its charge.
Also it seems to be set up as a pusher engine because the turbo is fed from the
rear of the firewall and exhaust is facing the prop disc. I know this is not
Piet related but I owned a Piet for years and have followed this site for 11
years. You guys all seem like old pals who like a mental challenge.
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Subject: | Re: Fw: good flying video |
Hi Gardiner,
Thanks for the video; that looks like it would really be fun!!!
Jim B.
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Subject: | Here I am...another new guy |
Hello everyone. I first wanted to build my own airplane in 2004. I bought the Tony
Bingelis books and some items from EAA (such as AC 43.13). I conducted much
research and decided the Pietenpol would be the perfect airplane.
I've been reading the posts here for a long time and saved all the best and most
informative discussions I could find. My goal was to not bother you with questions
already answered. I'd like to thank you for all you've contributed and
I'd also like to thank those with web pages and videos. I almost feel like I know
you all. I recently joined the local EAA group, but have not yet been able
to meet anyone there.
So, I'm actually making preparations to use my two car garage (no heat though;
just studs and T111 siding).
I recently decided to use the Corvair engine, assuming I can find one. I've read
the WW conversion manual and been to all the sites involving that engine. I
hope to attend Corvair College #21 in November (hum, should I bring my wife?).
I still have some questions, and perhaps since I'm starting with a clean slate,
maybe you'd like to make recommendations.
I'd like to purchase raw lumber from Aircraft Spruce. Customer service seems good
from what I've read here. I want to make my own pieces, so I guess I go to
their site and just buy the lumber, not the 'kit', is that correct?
Should I worry about humidity with storing the wood? Should I keep it in the house?
Should I keep tabs on the humidity here (I'm close to Pocono Raceway in PA).
I had an elevated hobby room in the garage which I've now taken apart except the
floor. The floor would make a solid work bench which is basically 4X8 and I'll
cut out a 2 foot deep area on one (long) side, so lots of edge. I'm thinking
of mounting tools on the (new) table. I'm wondering if I go with the Tony Bingelis
recommendation of the 30 sq in table, what would I use the workbench for?
Space should be OK as my wife will park outside when (and if) the time comes.
I plan to cut and shape wood in the garage. Ribs will be glued in the house in
my loft. When spring comes, I'll work on fuselage and tail in the garage. If I
find an engine, I can work on that during winter in the garage (I have those
ceiling mounted radiation heaters). I can also practice welding.
Here's a list of tools I plan to buy. I'm wondering though, if I have a table saw,
do I still need a band saw? Also, instead of an electric miter saw, I'm thinking
I'll buy the precision hand saw miter box (about $50). Thoughts?
Bench grinder-Craftsman model 21124, a 6 inch 1/6 HP 2.1 amp (on sale for $47.25,
normally $70).
http://www.sears.com/craftsman-1-6-hp-6-34-bench-grinder-with-lamp-21124/p-00921124000P
Band saw-Powertec 9 inch 1/2 HP 2.5 amps.
http://www.amazon.com/POWERTEC-BS900-Band-Saw-9-Inch/dp/B00367WB0G
Belt sander-Porter-Cable #91036, 4" by 8" 5 amps
http://www.lowes.com/pd_91036-46069-PCB420SA_?PL=1&productId=3163789
Drill press-Craftsman 10" with laser trac (model 21900). 5 speeds at 6 amps, 2/3
HP.
http://www.sears.com/craftsman-10-34-bench-drill-press-with-laser-trac-reg-21900/p-00921900000P
Table saw-Craftsman 21807 with Laser trac is 15 amp, 10" job with 24" to rip.
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00921807000P?keyword=craftsman+21807&sLevel=0&prop17=craftsman%2021807
Router-I can't decide between the Porter-Cable 690LR fixed base
http://www.amazon.com/Porter-Cable-690LR-Amp-Fixed-Base-Router/dp/B00005QEVQ
ad the DeWalt DW618PK
http://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DW618PK-Plunge-Fixed-Base-Variable-Speed/dp/B00006JKXE
I have more on my mind, but I should probably get my workspace ready first. I have
to add that when I study the plans (I bought the complete set), I feel like
I'm getting in way over my head. I took a class in mechanical drawing in college,
and I've designed and built a few big projects, plus I gutted and rebuilt
a bathroom, so I hope I have some aptitude for this. Let's put it this way,
when I build something, I take all the parts out to make sure I have everything
and organize it.
I'm looking forward to this project. I'm glad to be here.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353193#353193
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Subject: | Re: Here I am...another new guy |
Welcome where are you located?
Actually and aside from long rips I think my most used saw is the electric miter.
I would not discount it at all. I didn't get my drill press and band saw until
much later in the process. The miter one of the first to be purchased and
most highly used
Just the way it worked in my shop
Do not archive.
Less ya wanna
Safe in the morning and dangerous throughout the day
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 25, 2011, at 9:12 PM, "Pocono John" <tinmotion@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone. I first wanted to build my own airplane in 2004. I bought the
Tony Bingelis books and some items from EAA (such as AC 43.13). I conducted much
research and decided the Pietenpol would be the perfect airplane.
>
> I've been reading the posts here for a long time and saved all the best and most
informative discussions I could find. My goal was to not bother you with questions
already answered. I'd like to thank you for all you've contributed and
I'd also like to thank those with web pages and videos. I almost feel like I
know you all. I recently joined the local EAA group, but have not yet been able
to meet anyone there.
>
> So, I'm actually making preparations to use my two car garage (no heat though;
just studs and T111 siding).
>
> I recently decided to use the Corvair engine, assuming I can find one. I've read
the WW conversion manual and been to all the sites involving that engine.
I hope to attend Corvair College #21 in November (hum, should I bring my wife?).
>
> I still have some questions, and perhaps since I'm starting with a clean slate,
maybe you'd like to make recommendations.
>
> I'd like to purchase raw lumber from Aircraft Spruce. Customer service seems
good from what I've read here. I want to make my own pieces, so I guess I go to
their site and just buy the lumber, not the 'kit', is that correct?
>
> Should I worry about humidity with storing the wood? Should I keep it in the
house? Should I keep tabs on the humidity here (I'm close to Pocono Raceway in
PA).
>
> I had an elevated hobby room in the garage which I've now taken apart except
the floor. The floor would make a solid work bench which is basically 4X8 and
I'll cut out a 2 foot deep area on one (long) side, so lots of edge. I'm thinking
of mounting tools on the (new) table. I'm wondering if I go with the Tony
Bingelis recommendation of the 30 sq in table, what would I use the workbench
for? Space should be OK as my wife will park outside when (and if) the time comes.
>
> I plan to cut and shape wood in the garage. Ribs will be glued in the house in
my loft. When spring comes, I'll work on fuselage and tail in the garage. If
I find an engine, I can work on that during winter in the garage (I have those
ceiling mounted radiation heaters). I can also practice welding.
>
> Here's a list of tools I plan to buy. I'm wondering though, if I have a table
saw, do I still need a band saw? Also, instead of an electric miter saw, I'm
thinking I'll buy the precision hand saw miter box (about $50). Thoughts?
>
> Bench grinder-Craftsman model 21124, a 6 inch 1/6 HP 2.1 amp (on sale for $47.25,
normally $70).
> http://www.sears.com/craftsman-1-6-hp-6-34-bench-grinder-with-lamp-21124/p-00921124000P
>
> Band saw-Powertec 9 inch 1/2 HP 2.5 amps.
> http://www.amazon.com/POWERTEC-BS900-Band-Saw-9-Inch/dp/B00367WB0G
>
> Belt sander-Porter-Cable #91036, 4" by 8" 5 amps
> http://www.lowes.com/pd_91036-46069-PCB420SA_?PL=1&productId=3163789
>
> Drill press-Craftsman 10" with laser trac (model 21900). 5 speeds at 6 amps,
2/3 HP.
> http://www.sears.com/craftsman-10-34-bench-drill-press-with-laser-trac-reg-21900/p-00921900000P
>
> Table saw-Craftsman 21807 with Laser trac is 15 amp, 10" job with 24" to rip.
> http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00921807000P?keyword=craftsman+21807&sLevel=0&prop17=craftsman%2021807
>
> Router-I can't decide between the Porter-Cable 690LR fixed base
> http://www.amazon.com/Porter-Cable-690LR-Amp-Fixed-Base-Router/dp/B00005QEVQ
> ad the DeWalt DW618PK
> http://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DW618PK-Plunge-Fixed-Base-Variable-Speed/dp/B00006JKXE
>
> I have more on my mind, but I should probably get my workspace ready first. I
have to add that when I study the plans (I bought the complete set), I feel like
I'm getting in way over my head. I took a class in mechanical drawing in college,
and I've designed and built a few big projects, plus I gutted and rebuilt
a bathroom, so I hope I have some aptitude for this. Let's put it this way,
when I build something, I take all the parts out to make sure I have everything
and organize it.
>
> I'm looking forward to this project. I'm glad to be here.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353193#353193
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Here I am...another new guy |
Hello John, and welcome to the best group of airplane builders on the
planet! I'm glad to see you've already gotten the Tony Bingelis books -
they are invaluable as a resource to the Pietenpol Builder. Read them
thoroughly and most of your questions will be answered. The rest you can
probably find answers for form this group (often, totally contradictory
answers, but that's not necessarily a bad thing - it just requires you to
sort out the good ideas from the not so good).
As for bringing your wife to Corvair College, while I myself have not
attended a Corvair College, I've heard nothing but good things about them
and would doubt that your wife would be anything but welcome. Anytime you
can get your wife involved in your project, it can only be beneficial.
I bought most of my spruce from Aircraft Spruce, but a substantial amount
from Wickes Aircraft. I found both to provide good quality wood, but Wickes
often seemed to be able to deliver much more quickly. I also bought bulk
pieces of wood as well as capstrips milled to size and here I would say you
are much further ahead to buy the milled lumber rather than rip the pieces
yourself from lumber. The additional cost is more than offset by the waste
that you will turn into sawdust, and the milled pieces are very accurate.
Just determine the lengths you will need and order so many 1/4" x 1/2"
capstrips and 1" x 1" longerons, etc.
If possible, store your wood somewhere with relatively constant humidity. I
kept mine in my basement (where I also built the airplane). You will have
far less problems with warping if you keep it somewhere with fairly stable
humidity. If you must store it outdoors, keep it off the ground and
covered. Inside would be best.
For workbenches, I made two 30" x 96" workbenches which could be bolted
together to make a 16' long x 30" wide table. This was big enough to
construct the fuselage on, and the 30" width was perfect, allowing plenty of
room to work, and allowing easy reach across the table, where if you make
the table 48" wide you will have trouble reaching across it.
As for tools, I rarely used my table saw (except for when I was ripping
stock to make capstrips - once I realized how nice the milled capstrips were
I never used the table saw again). I only used a router to route the wing
spars. I used the bandsaw extensively, both a 12" wood-cutting Craftsman
Bandsaw and a 6" Grizzly metal-cutting bandsaw. The most useful wood
working tools I found to be the bandsaw and the beltsander. You will also
need a welding rig of some sort. I bought the Smith OxyAcetylen rig from
Aircraft Spruce and found it entirely satisfactory. The drill press will be
necessary as well.
Do you have your plans yet? Have you thought about all the other decisions
besides powerplant that will need to be made? Long or short fuselage?
One-piece or 3-piece wing? Split gear or straight axle gear, etc.?
I envy you to have all this before you. It will open your life to a whole
new world.
Good Luck!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pocono John
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 9:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Here I am...another new guy
Hello everyone. I first wanted to build my own airplane in 2004. I bought
the Tony Bingelis books and some items from EAA (such as AC 43.13). I
conducted much research and decided the Pietenpol would be the perfect
airplane.
I've been reading the posts here for a long time and saved all the best and
most informative discussions I could find. My goal was to not bother you
with questions already answered. I'd like to thank you for all you've
contributed and I'd also like to thank those with web pages and videos. I
almost feel like I know you all. I recently joined the local EAA group, but
have not yet been able to meet anyone there.
So, I'm actually making preparations to use my two car garage (no heat
though; just studs and T111 siding).
I recently decided to use the Corvair engine, assuming I can find one. I've
read the WW conversion manual and been to all the sites involving that
engine. I hope to attend Corvair College #21 in November (hum, should I
bring my wife?).
I still have some questions, and perhaps since I'm starting with a clean
slate, maybe you'd like to make recommendations.
I'd like to purchase raw lumber from Aircraft Spruce. Customer service seems
good from what I've read here. I want to make my own pieces, so I guess I go
to their site and just buy the lumber, not the 'kit', is that correct?
Should I worry about humidity with storing the wood? Should I keep it in the
house? Should I keep tabs on the humidity here (I'm close to Pocono Raceway
in PA).
I had an elevated hobby room in the garage which I've now taken apart except
the floor. The floor would make a solid work bench which is basically 4X8
and I'll cut out a 2 foot deep area on one (long) side, so lots of edge. I'm
thinking of mounting tools on the (new) table. I'm wondering if I go with
the Tony Bingelis recommendation of the 30 sq in table, what would I use the
workbench for? Space should be OK as my wife will park outside when (and if)
the time comes.
I plan to cut and shape wood in the garage. Ribs will be glued in the house
in my loft. When spring comes, I'll work on fuselage and tail in the garage.
If I find an engine, I can work on that during winter in the garage (I have
those ceiling mounted radiation heaters). I can also practice welding.
Here's a list of tools I plan to buy. I'm wondering though, if I have a
table saw, do I still need a band saw? Also, instead of an electric miter
saw, I'm thinking I'll buy the precision hand saw miter box (about $50).
Thoughts?
Bench grinder-Craftsman model 21124, a 6 inch 1/6 HP 2.1 amp (on sale for
$47.25, normally $70).
http://www.sears.com/craftsman-1-6-hp-6-34-bench-grinder-with-lamp-21124/p-0
0921124000P
Band saw-Powertec 9 inch 1/2 HP 2.5 amps.
http://www.amazon.com/POWERTEC-BS900-Band-Saw-9-Inch/dp/B00367WB0G
Belt sander-Porter-Cable #91036, 4" by 8" 5 amps
http://www.lowes.com/pd_91036-46069-PCB420SA_?PL=1&productId=3163789
Drill press-Craftsman 10" with laser trac (model 21900). 5 speeds at 6 amps,
2/3 HP.
http://www.sears.com/craftsman-10-34-bench-drill-press-with-laser-trac-reg-2
1900/p-00921900000P
Table saw-Craftsman 21807 with Laser trac is 15 amp, 10" job with 24" to
rip.
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00921807000P?keyword=craftsman+2180
7&sLevel=0&prop17=craftsman%2021807
Router-I can't decide between the Porter-Cable 690LR fixed base
http://www.amazon.com/Porter-Cable-690LR-Amp-Fixed-Base-Router/dp/B00005QEVQ
ad the DeWalt DW618PK
http://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DW618PK-Plunge-Fixed-Base-Variable-Speed/dp/B00
006JKXE
I have more on my mind, but I should probably get my workspace ready first.
I have to add that when I study the plans (I bought the complete set), I
feel like I'm getting in way over my head. I took a class in mechanical
drawing in college, and I've designed and built a few big projects, plus I
gutted and rebuilt a bathroom, so I hope I have some aptitude for this.
Let's put it this way, when I build something, I take all the parts out to
make sure I have everything and organize it.
I'm looking forward to this project. I'm glad to be here.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353193#353193
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Subject: | Here I am...another new guy |
John,
Welcome! You will do just fine. The skills you need that you don't already
have you will pick up, little by little....and your two car garage is OK.
Although all two car garages are not created equal, you can see in the
attached that it all works out. I have been on my project about 3 1/2 years,
now. On the weekends, I roll my wife's car out, and move the big piece of
whateverI'mworkingon into that area. In this garage, I have two table saws
(you only need one), band saw, drill press, bench grinder, sand blast
cabinet, planer, 3 work benches, and two rolling stands for the wings. The
area above the roll-up door also has an abandoned Zenith 601 center section
and tail parts, plus a bunch of aluminum. Piet wings are built and barely
visible above the car. It all goes to prove the old saying, "If you build
it, you will find the room." Oh...that's not an old saying? Well, someday it
will be.
My advice - quit thinking and reading, and get to work! ...and, if you email
me off-list, I would be happy to tell you how much I love my Corvair engine!
Happy building,
Gary from Cool
Here's a challenge: See if you can beat my record time for building wing
ribs!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pocono John
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Here I am...another new guy
--> <tinmotion@yahoo.com>
Hello everyone. I first wanted to build my own airplane in 2004. I bought
the Tony Bingelis books and some items from EAA (such as AC 43.13). I
conducted much research and decided the Pietenpol would be the perfect
airplane.
I've been reading the posts here for a long time and saved all the best and
most informative discussions I could find. My goal was to not bother you
with questions already answered. I'd like to thank you for all you've
contributed and I'd also like to thank those with web pages and videos. I
almost feel like I know you all. I recently joined the local EAA group, but
have not yet been able to meet anyone there.
So, I'm actually making preparations to use my two car garage (no heat
though; just studs and T111 siding).
I recently decided to use the Corvair engine, assuming I can find one. I've
read the WW conversion manual and been to all the sites involving that
engine. I hope to attend Corvair College #21 in November (hum, should I
bring my wife?).
I still have some questions, and perhaps since I'm starting with a clean
slate, maybe you'd like to make recommendations.
I'd like to purchase raw lumber from Aircraft Spruce. Customer service seems
good from what I've read here. I want to make my own pieces, so I guess I go
to their site and just buy the lumber, not the 'kit', is that correct?
Should I worry about humidity with storing the wood? Should I keep it in the
house? Should I keep tabs on the humidity here (I'm close to Pocono Raceway
in PA).
I had an elevated hobby room in the garage which I've now taken apart except
the floor. The floor would make a solid work bench which is basically 4X8
and I'll cut out a 2 foot deep area on one (long) side, so lots of edge. I'm
thinking of mounting tools on the (new) table. I'm wondering if I go with
the Tony Bingelis recommendation of the 30 sq in table, what would I use the
workbench for? Space should be OK as my wife will park outside when (and if)
the time comes.
I plan to cut and shape wood in the garage. Ribs will be glued in the house
in my loft. When spring comes, I'll work on fuselage and tail in the garage.
If I find an engine, I can work on that during winter in the garage (I have
those ceiling mounted radiation heaters). I can also practice welding.
Here's a list of tools I plan to buy. I'm wondering though, if I have a
table saw, do I still need a band saw? Also, instead of an electric miter
saw, I'm thinking I'll buy the precision hand saw miter box (about $50).
Thoughts?
Bench grinder-Craftsman model 21124, a 6 inch 1/6 HP 2.1 amp (on sale for
$47.25, normally $70).
http://www.sears.com/craftsman-1-6-hp-6-34-bench-grinder-with-lamp-21124/p-0
0921124000P
Band saw-Powertec 9 inch 1/2 HP 2.5 amps.
http://www.amazon.com/POWERTEC-BS900-Band-Saw-9-Inch/dp/B00367WB0G
Belt sander-Porter-Cable #91036, 4" by 8" 5 amps
http://www.lowes.com/pd_91036-46069-PCB420SA_?PL=1&productId=3163789
Drill press-Craftsman 10" with laser trac (model 21900). 5 speeds at 6 amps,
2/3 HP.
http://www.sears.com/craftsman-10-34-bench-drill-press-with-laser-trac-reg-2
1900/p-00921900000P
Table saw-Craftsman 21807 with Laser trac is 15 amp, 10" job with 24" to
rip.
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00921807000P?keyword=craftsman+2180
7&sLevel=0&prop17=craftsman%2021807
Router-I can't decide between the Porter-Cable 690LR fixed base
http://www.amazon.com/Porter-Cable-690LR-Amp-Fixed-Base-Router/dp/B00005QEVQ
ad the DeWalt DW618PK
http://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DW618PK-Plunge-Fixed-Base-Variable-Speed/dp/B00
006JKXE
I have more on my mind, but I should probably get my workspace ready first.
I have to add that when I study the plans (I bought the complete set), I
feel like I'm getting in way over my head. I took a class in mechanical
drawing in college, and I've designed and built a few big projects, plus I
gutted and rebuilt a bathroom, so I hope I have some aptitude for this.
Let's put it this way, when I build something, I take all the parts out to
make sure I have everything and organize it.
I'm looking forward to this project. I'm glad to be here.
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Subject: | Re: Here I am...another new guy |
Welcome John!
As for tooling, I think we are probably each a little different in our approach,
so our preference in tools differs a bit. For example, I LOVE my band saw.
I started my project by constructing my wing ribs, as many do (unless your last
name rhymes with Boothe)... anyhow, I used my band saw and belt/disc sander
pretty heavily. In fact, I still do. I also use the drill press, table saw,
miter saw, metal band saw, table router, etc all the time... but I didn't start
out with them. I'll agree with John... the miter saw is a dandy. You'll love
it when you get to the fuse and where other larger pieces need to be cut.
I didn't find it to be the best tool for wing rib parts.
A suggestion if I may... get what you need to get going on your project. I would
obviously recommend starting with wing ribs since they are relatively cheap,
smaller in size than most assemblies and can really test your desire to build.
I found them to be a lot of fun, but was really glad to get them done and move
on to other assemblies. Anyhow, as you pound out the ribs, you can study
the drawings and consider what you will need next (tool wise). Keep a lookout
on Craigslist for tools... I've found some really good buys on there.
Most importantly, have fun... it isn't a race. We look forward to reading about
your progress.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | Re: Here I am...another new guy |
John,
It sounds to me that your thoughtful planning has you on your way to a good
start. If you've managed to listen to all the misfits on this list "for a
long time", then I wouldn't worry about getting in "over" your head....You'
ve passed the test!!! The drawings seem daunting at first, but all the inf
o you need is there. Just take on one small project at a time, and keep plo
dding through until one day you will be surprised that there is nothing mor
e to do except to fly it. This list is a wealth of information, so feel fre
e to tap into it. And if we see that you're doing something generally seen
as unairworthy, you will be summarily flamed (in a nice way). One question
you had was "then what will I use the workbench for? Mine was 32 ft. long a
nd always filled with something or another. One of the undeniable truths of
life is, that one can never have enough workbench space. You will not need
a wood-cutting band saw, but having a planer is great for shaping all form
s of scrap into usable pieces.
Welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Pocono John <tinmotion@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, Sep 25, 2011 8:16 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Here I am...another new guy
Hello everyone. I first wanted to build my own airplane in 2004. I bought t
he
ony Bingelis books and some items from EAA (such as AC 43.13). I conducted
much
esearch and decided the Pietenpol would be the perfect airplane.
I've been reading the posts here for a long time and saved all the best and
most
nformative discussions I could find. My goal was to not bother you with
uestions already answered. I'd like to thank you for all you've contributed
and
'd also like to thank those with web pages and videos. I almost feel like I
now you all. I recently joined the local EAA group, but have not yet been a
ble
o meet anyone there.
So, I'm actually making preparations to use my two car garage (no heat thou
gh;
ust studs and T111 siding).
I recently decided to use the Corvair engine, assuming I can find one. I've
read
he WW conversion manual and been to all the sites involving that engine. I
hope
o attend Corvair College #21 in November (hum, should I bring my wife?).
I still have some questions, and perhaps since I'm starting with a clean sl
ate,
aybe you'd like to make recommendations.
I'd like to purchase raw lumber from Aircraft Spruce. Customer service seem
s
ood from what I've read here. I want to make my own pieces, so I guess I go
to
heir site and just buy the lumber, not the 'kit', is that correct?
Should I worry about humidity with storing the wood? Should I keep it in th
e
ouse? Should I keep tabs on the humidity here (I'm close to Pocono Raceway
in
A).
I had an elevated hobby room in the garage which I've now taken apart excep
t the
loor. The floor would make a solid work bench which is basically 4X8 and I
'll
ut out a 2 foot deep area on one (long) side, so lots of edge. I'm thinking
of
ounting tools on the (new) table. I'm wondering if I go with the Tony Binge
lis
ecommendation of the 30 sq in table, what would I use the workbench for? Sp
ace
hould be OK as my wife will park outside when (and if) the time comes.
I plan to cut and shape wood in the garage. Ribs will be glued in the house
in
y loft. When spring comes, I'll work on fuselage and tail in the garage. If
I
ind an engine, I can work on that during winter in the garage (I have those
eiling mounted radiation heaters). I can also practice welding.
Here's a list of tools I plan to buy. I'm wondering though, if I have a tab
le
aw, do I still need a band saw? Also, instead of an electric miter saw, I'm
hinking I'll buy the precision hand saw miter box (about $50). Thoughts?
Bench grinder-Craftsman model 21124, a 6 inch 1/6 HP 2.1 amp (on sale for
47.25, normally $70).
ttp://www.sears.com/craftsman-1-6-hp-6-34-bench-grinder-with-lamp-21124/p-0
0921124000P
Band saw-Powertec 9 inch 1/2 HP 2.5 amps.
ttp://www.amazon.com/POWERTEC-BS900-Band-Saw-9-Inch/dp/B00367WB0G
Belt sander-Porter-Cable #91036, 4" by 8" 5 amps
ttp://www.lowes.com/pd_91036-46069-PCB420SA_?PL=1&productId=3163789
Drill press-Craftsman 10" with laser trac (model 21900). 5 speeds at 6 amps
, 2/3
P.
ttp://www.sears.com/craftsman-10-34-bench-drill-press-with-laser-trac-reg-2
1900/p-00921900000P
Table saw-Craftsman 21807 with Laser trac is 15 amp, 10" job with 24" to ri
p.
ttp://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00921807000P?keyword=craftsman+21
807&sLevel=0&prop17=craftsman%2021807
Router-I can't decide between the Porter-Cable 690LR fixed base
ttp://www.amazon.com/Porter-Cable-690LR-Amp-Fixed-Base-Router/dp/B00005QEVQ
d the DeWalt DW618PK
ttp://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DW618PK-Plunge-Fixed-Base-Variable-Speed/dp/B00
006JKXE
I have more on my mind, but I should probably get my workspace ready first.
I
ave to add that when I study the plans (I bought the complete set), I feel
like
'm getting in way over my head. I took a class in mechanical drawing in
ollege, and I've designed and built a few big projects, plus I gutted and
ebuilt a bathroom, so I hope I have some aptitude for this. Let's put it th
is
ay, when I build something, I take all the parts out to make sure I have
verything and organize it.
I'm looking forward to this project. I'm glad to be here.
ead this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353193#353193
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Subject: | Wooden Lift Struts (Update) |
A few weeks ago we had some discussion about wooden lift struts. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=83802&highlight
Since that time I have been working on assembling lift struts that would match
the cabane struts Jim Markle helped me assemble in his vacuum bagging system.
I know that we all like photos, so I'll try to keep the words short and just
offer a handful of photos. Enjoy!
Planed laminates of spruce and cherry for the cabanes.
Even the master was blown away at my choice of materials.
After running the edges through the jointer.
Shaped using the table saw and table router... softened the sharp breaks with a
little sanding effort.
System 3 gloss varnish applied.
The cabanes were laminated with full width planks of cherry. I thought this approach
might be a bit too heavy for the lift struts, so I chose to rabbet the
spruce planks on my table router and cut cherry inserts, which will allow me to
achieve the same look with less weight.
Rabbeting the spruce planks.
All prepped for further assembly.
All the parts fabricated. The original plan called for 9 pieces for each strut...
in the end, there would be 13. Some of those are a trade secret... if I told
ya, I'd have to... well, you know.
My vacuum bagging setup. It works great.
The first two planks in the bag with the cherry inserts being glued.
A better look at the best (easiest, cleanest, most even) clamp available. I am
pulling 20"Hg, which is the equivalent of 10psi... those planks are 96" long
by ~2" wide... 2 x 96 = 192... multiply by 10psi and that equates to 1920 pounds
of pressure applied to that plank in an absolutely even manner. I didn't even
get my hands dirty... try that with clamps.
All glued up. After this photo was taken, I ran these through the planer to make
them all uniform.
After the outer caps were all glued up with their inserts in place, I figured I
better take a very controlled approach to the rest of the assembly. Trying to
stack two caps with three pieces in between would be too easy to screw up.
So I chose to install the spruce leading edge strips in order to use this part
as a guide when installing the remaining parts. This approach worked well.
In all, there were 12 vacuum bagging operations... all of which required curing
time... this is why these took a couple of weeks.
Plywood cores being installed.
My friend Brian Fisher helping me spread epoxy... a lot of epoxy.
All glued up, but looking rough.
After running them through the planer.
After squaring up the trailing edge, which needs to be uniform in order to achieve
a matched cut on both sides.
All ready to go to the table saw... the most difficult and critical operation.
As the penciled note reads, I plan to cut in 3/8" @ 15*.
[img]http://www.patriotdigital.net/images/Struts/img-20110925-00273.jpg[/img]
A big sigh of relief... the table saw operations are done and they look good.
A few passes through the table router using a 1/2" round bit and the leading edges
were done.
The full set shown with their predecessor, a cabane strut. I'll still need to
do a bit of sanding to smooth out the sharp breaks left by the power tools, but
otherwise they are 90% done. The most difficult tasks are completed... a little
sanding and varnish and they will be done.
Thanks for looking!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | Re: Here I am...another new guy |
Welcome John
One of the truly worthwhile things about this list is the broad spectrum of experience
and the availability of good ideas and alternate ways of doing things.
A couple of things to consider in addition to the previous postings.
1. Consider alternate sources of wood. There are some lumber yards (few and far
between but some do exist) that have sitka spruce in sizes that work. Since
you have 43-13, you can grade it yourself. 43-13 also provides alternate species
of wood that some people on this very board have used with success. I got
enough sitka to build, literally, 2 Pietenpols, from a boatyard that builds
and restores wooden boats. Alternate sources of wood will require a decent table
saw to mill to the required sizes. And yes, I made a LOT of sawdust, several
Hefty bags worth.
2. I consider a miter saw a necessity to build ribs. I made a master set of sticks
and used the saw to duplicate 40 more using a stop block. That way, fitting
a jig full of sticks took almost no time. One jig can produce two ribs a
day if all the pieces are premade.
3. Many, maybe most, metal pieces are easily done on a band saw and drill press.
4. Getting your wife involved is a GOOD thing. If she likes knitting and the
like, get her to learn the infamous modified seine knot and help with the fabric.
And make absolutely sure you use a Corvair, house paint, and the Riblett airfoil....
:-)
Dave Aldrich
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