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1. 12:31 AM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (Update) (jarheadpilot82)
2. 03:13 AM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (Update) (Bill Church)
3. 03:30 AM - Re: Here I am...another new guy (Jack)
4. 05:17 AM - Anyone know who this is? (Jim Markle)
5. 05:26 AM - Re: Anyone know who this is? (Bill Church)
6. 05:30 AM - Re: Anyone know who this is? (Gene Rambo)
7. 05:44 AM - Re: Anyone know who this is? (tools)
8. 06:15 AM - Re: Anyone know who this is? (jarheadpilot82)
9. 06:42 AM - Re: Here I am...another new guy (airlion)
10. 07:02 AM - Re: Here I am...another new guy (Ken Bickers)
11. 07:04 AM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (Update) (K5YAC)
12. 07:07 AM - Re: Here I am...another new guy (Bill Church)
13. 07:11 AM - Re: Re: Mystery engine (Dan Yocum)
14. 07:47 AM - Re: Here I am...another new guy (TOM STINEMETZE)
15. 07:56 AM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (Update) (jarheadpilot82)
16. 08:00 AM - Re: Here I am...another new guy (kevinpurtee)
17. 08:05 AM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (Update) (kevinpurtee)
18. 08:18 AM - Re: Re: Here I am...another new guy (shad bell)
19. 08:27 AM - Re: Re: Wooden Lift Struts (Update) (Dick N)
20. 08:27 AM - Re: Here I am...another new guy (K5YAC)
21. 08:41 AM - Re: Re: Wooden Lift Struts (Update) (Michael Perez)
22. 09:06 AM - Re: Re: Here I am...another new guy (Jack Phillips)
23. 09:07 AM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (Update) (Bill Church)
24. 09:13 AM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (Update) (K5YAC)
25. 09:33 AM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (Update) (jarheadpilot82)
26. 10:27 AM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (Update) (K5YAC)
27. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: Wooden Lift Struts (Update) (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
28. 02:54 PM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (Update) (skellytown flyer)
29. 03:16 PM - Re: Mystery Engine - McCulloch? (kmordecai001@comcast.net)
30. 04:43 PM - Re: Re: Here I am...another new guy (helspersew@aol.com)
31. 04:58 PM - Re: Wooden Lift Struts (Update) (bender)
32. 05:06 PM - Re: Mystery Engine - McCulloch? (MyrickPiet)
33. 06:37 PM - Re: Here I am...another new guy (Pocono John)
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden Lift Struts (Update) |
All I can say is - wow! Those struts are beautiful and you have taken great pains
to document the process. Thanks!
One question- what is the weight of each strut at this point? Just curious.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden Lift Struts (Update) |
Wow.
Really well documented process.
Superb craftsmanship, Mark.
Really nice.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Here I am...another new guy |
John, welcome to the list! I'm not going to repeat all the very good
previous comments. I'm lucky to have more tools than I need including a
mill, lathe, mig, tig and oxy welders. For building the Piet there are
three I would not give up, a 12" disk sander, metal and wood band saws. I
use them more than any others.
Enjoy the build!
Jack
DSM
www.textors.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pocono John
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 8:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Here I am...another new guy
Hello everyone. I first wanted to build my own airplane in 2004. I bought
the Tony Bingelis books and some items from EAA (such as AC 43.13). I
conducted much research and decided the Pietenpol would be the perfect
airplane.
I've been reading the posts here for a long time and saved all the best and
most informative discussions I could find. My goal was to not bother you
with questions already answered. I'd like to thank you for all you've
contributed and I'd also like to thank those with web pages and videos. I
almost feel like I know you all. I recently joined the local EAA group, but
have not yet been able to meet anyone there.
So, I'm actually making preparations to use my two car garage (no heat
though; just studs and T111 siding).
I recently decided to use the Corvair engine, assuming I can find one. I've
read the WW conversion manual and been to all the sites involving that
engine. I hope to attend Corvair College #21 in November (hum, should I
bring my wife?).
I still have some questions, and perhaps since I'm starting with a clean
slate, maybe you'd like to make recommendations.
I'd like to purchase raw lumber from Aircraft Spruce. Customer service seems
good from what I've read here. I want to make my own pieces, so I guess I go
to their site and just buy the lumber, not the 'kit', is that correct?
Should I worry about humidity with storing the wood? Should I keep it in the
house? Should I keep tabs on the humidity here (I'm close to Pocono Raceway
in PA).
I had an elevated hobby room in the garage which I've now taken apart except
the floor. The floor would make a solid work bench which is basically 4X8
and I'll cut out a 2 foot deep area on one (long) side, so lots of edge. I'm
thinking of mounting tools on the (new) table. I'm wondering if I go with
the Tony Bingelis recommendation of the 30 sq in table, what would I use the
workbench for? Space should be OK as my wife will park outside when (and if)
the time comes.
I plan to cut and shape wood in the garage. Ribs will be glued in the house
in my loft. When spring comes, I'll work on fuselage and tail in the garage.
If I find an engine, I can work on that during winter in the garage (I have
those ceiling mounted radiation heaters). I can also practice welding.
Here's a list of tools I plan to buy. I'm wondering though, if I have a
table saw, do I still need a band saw? Also, instead of an electric miter
saw, I'm thinking I'll buy the precision hand saw miter box (about $50).
Thoughts?
Bench grinder-Craftsman model 21124, a 6 inch 1/6 HP 2.1 amp (on sale for
$47.25, normally $70).
http://www.sears.com/craftsman-1-6-hp-6-34-bench-grinder-with-lamp-21124/p-0
0921124000P
Band saw-Powertec 9 inch 1/2 HP 2.5 amps.
http://www.amazon.com/POWERTEC-BS900-Band-Saw-9-Inch/dp/B00367WB0G
Belt sander-Porter-Cable #91036, 4" by 8" 5 amps
http://www.lowes.com/pd_91036-46069-PCB420SA_?PL=1&productId=3163789
Drill press-Craftsman 10" with laser trac (model 21900). 5 speeds at 6 amps,
2/3 HP.
http://www.sears.com/craftsman-10-34-bench-drill-press-with-laser-trac-reg-2
1900/p-00921900000P
Table saw-Craftsman 21807 with Laser trac is 15 amp, 10" job with 24" to
rip.
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00921807000P?keyword=craftsman+2180
7&sLevel=0&prop17=craftsman%2021807
Router-I can't decide between the Porter-Cable 690LR fixed base
http://www.amazon.com/Porter-Cable-690LR-Amp-Fixed-Base-Router/dp/B00005QEVQ
ad the DeWalt DW618PK
http://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DW618PK-Plunge-Fixed-Base-Variable-Speed/dp/B00
006JKXE
I have more on my mind, but I should probably get my workspace ready first.
I have to add that when I study the plans (I bought the complete set), I
feel like I'm getting in way over my head. I took a class in mechanical
drawing in college, and I've designed and built a few big projects, plus I
gutted and rebuilt a bathroom, so I hope I have some aptitude for this.
Let's put it this way, when I build something, I take all the parts out to
make sure I have everything and organize it.
I'm looking forward to this project. I'm glad to be here.
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| Subject: | Anyone know who this is? |
I know it's a long shot (and totally WAAAY off topic, sorry) but does anyone recognize
this pilot?
Looks familiar but I can't can't think of where I've seen him....
Thought I might take a chance and see if anyone knows him. Not sure which airline,
AA probably.
Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone know who this is? |
Is this the guy?
If so, I believe his name is Otto.
BC
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| Subject: | Anyone know who this is? |
not AA=2C they have gold bars
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> Date: Mon=2C 26 Sep 2011 04:49:13 -0400
> From: jim_markle@mindspring.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anyone know who this is?
>
> I know it's a long shot (and totally WAAAY off topic=2C sorry) but does a
nyone recognize this pilot?
>
> Looks familiar but I can't can't think of where I've seen him....
>
> Thought I might take a chance and see if anyone knows him. Not sure which
airline=2C AA probably.
>
> Thanks
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone know who this is? |
American has silver bars and blue uniforms. The shoulder bars would be black and
silver though. Looks like a super 80 also.
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone know who this is? |
Tools,
I see those guys every week in London. They have dark blue epaulettes with silver
bars. And, yes, that is some MD-80 variant. Most likely a Super 80, but I do
not know the guy.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| Subject: | Re: Here I am...another new guy |
Well, it looks like you are 90% finished building and 110% to a finished Pietenpol.
Go for it and welcome aboard. cheers, Gardiner
--- On Sun, 9/25/11, Pocono John <tinmotion@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: Pocono John <tinmotion@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Here I am...another new guy
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, September 25, 2011, 9:12 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: "Pocono John" <tinmotion@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello everyone. I first wanted to build my own airplane in
> 2004. I bought the Tony Bingelis books and some items from
> EAA (such as AC 43.13). I conducted much research and
> decided the Pietenpol would be the perfect airplane.
>
> I've been reading the posts here for a long time and saved
> all the best and most informative discussions I could find.
> My goal was to not bother you with questions already
> answered. I'd like to thank you for all you've contributed
> and I'd also like to thank those with web pages and videos.
> I almost feel like I know you all. I recently joined the
> local EAA group, but have not yet been able to meet anyone
> there.
>
> So, I'm actually making preparations to use my two car
> garage (no heat though; just studs and T111 siding).
>
> I recently decided to use the Corvair engine, assuming I
> can find one. I've read the WW conversion manual and been to
> all the sites involving that engine. I hope to attend
> Corvair College #21 in November (hum, should I bring my
> wife?).
>
> I still have some questions, and perhaps since I'm starting
> with a clean slate, maybe you'd like to make
> recommendations.
>
> I'd like to purchase raw lumber from Aircraft Spruce.
> Customer service seems good from what I've read here. I want
> to make my own pieces, so I guess I go to their site and
> just buy the lumber, not the 'kit', is that correct?
>
> Should I worry about humidity with storing the wood? Should
> I keep it in the house? Should I keep tabs on the humidity
> here (I'm close to Pocono Raceway in PA).
>
> I had an elevated hobby room in the garage which I've now
> taken apart except the floor. The floor would make a
> solid work bench which is basically 4X8 and I'll cut out a 2
> foot deep area on one (long) side, so lots of edge. I'm
> thinking of mounting tools on the (new) table. I'm wondering
> if I go with the Tony Bingelis recommendation of the 30 sq
> in table, what would I use the workbench for? Space should
> be OK as my wife will park outside when (and if) the time
> comes.
>
> I plan to cut and shape wood in the garage. Ribs will be
> glued in the house in my loft. When spring comes, I'll work
> on fuselage and tail in the garage. If I find an engine, I
> can work on that during winter in the garage (I have those
> ceiling mounted radiation heaters). I can also practice
> welding.
>
> Here's a list of tools I plan to buy. I'm wondering though,
> if I have a table saw, do I still need a band saw? Also,
> instead of an electric miter saw, I'm thinking I'll buy the
> precision hand saw miter box (about $50). Thoughts?
>
> Bench grinder-Craftsman model 21124, a 6 inch 1/6 HP 2.1
> amp (on sale for $47.25, normally $70).
> http://www.sears.com/craftsman-1-6-hp-6-34-bench-grinder-with-lamp-21124/p-00921124000P
>
> Band saw-Powertec 9 inch 1/2 HP 2.5 amps.
> http://www.amazon.com/POWERTEC-BS900-Band-Saw-9-Inch/dp/B00367WB0G
>
> Belt sander-Porter-Cable #91036, 4" by 8" 5 amps
> http://www.lowes.com/pd_91036-46069-PCB420SA_?PL=1&productId=3163789
>
> Drill press-Craftsman 10" with laser trac (model 21900). 5
> speeds at 6 amps, 2/3 HP.
> http://www.sears.com/craftsman-10-34-bench-drill-press-with-laser-trac-reg-21900/p-00921900000P
>
> Table saw-Craftsman 21807 with Laser trac is 15 amp, 10"
> job with 24" to rip.
> http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00921807000P?keyword=craftsman+21807&sLevel=0&prop17=craftsman%2021807
>
> Router-I can't decide between the Porter-Cable 690LR fixed
> base
> http://www.amazon.com/Porter-Cable-690LR-Amp-Fixed-Base-Router/dp/B00005QEVQ
> ad the DeWalt DW618PK
> http://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DW618PK-Plunge-Fixed-Base-Variable-Speed/dp/B00006JKXE
>
> I have more on my mind, but I should probably get my
> workspace ready first. I have to add that when I study the
> plans (I bought the complete set), I feel like I'm getting
> in way over my head. I took a class in mechanical drawing in
> college, and I've designed and built a few big projects,
> plus I gutted and rebuilt a bathroom, so I hope I have some
> aptitude for this. Let's put it this way, when I build
> something, I take all the parts out to make sure I have
> everything and organize it.
>
> I'm looking forward to this project. I'm glad to be here.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353193#353193
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Email Forum -
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> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> List Contribution Web Site -
> -Matt
> Dralle, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Here I am...another new guy |
John,
Welcome aboard. You may have already thought of this, but I'd
recommend at least one other item: an inexpensive digital camera to
keep in your workshop. You'll want to take lots of pictures to
document your progress, as well as to occasionally post here. It will
also be very handy when you make the pilgrimage to Brodhead.
Cheers, Ken
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden Lift Struts (Update) |
Terry... I'm not sure on the weight, but I will find out. When they first came
out of the bag all glued up I thought they felt a little heavy, but once the
excess glue and blocked wood were trimmed they were noticeably lighter. I'll
try to put them on the scales this week. In case I forget to mention it later
on... these are 96" long, which is ~10" longer than I should need to fly. I
won't trim them until we are close to rigging them so I can leave some room for
possible damage or miscalculation. I suppose we could divide the total weight
by 8 and get a weight per foot. I'd be interested to know how they compare
to streamline tubing if anyone has some that can be weighed... or perhaps that
data is published somewhere.
Thanks for the compliments fellas!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Here I am...another new guy |
Welcome to the group, John.
When it comes to tools, everybody has their preferred methods.
Ideally, we would all have very spacious, fully equipped workshops (and an infinite
amount of free time and disposable income). However, in the real world, we
make do with what we have (well I do, anyway). It sounds as though you are faced
with starting from scratch, as far as equipping your workshop. While all
of the tools you have listed can be used to good advantage in building a Piet,
it isn't really necessary to have all of them. Many tasks can be accomplished
by several means, depending on the ingenuity of the builder. In my case, I built
up my woodworking tool collection over many years, prior to starting my Piet
so I didn't have to decide what tools to buy before starting (but still use
any excuse available to acquire a new toy... I mean tool). I chose to buy my
Sitka in rough-sawn planks, and milled it all myself, so a table saw was a necessity.
Aircraft Spruce and Wick's do not sell rough-sawn lumber, so if you want
to go that route, you'll have to find another source for your wood, and be
prepared to do your own grading. Buying your wood pre-milled would make the table
saw less critical to have. I do have a thickness planer, so I used it, but
it isn't totally necessary. I also have a (electric) miter saw, and so far have
used it to cut ZERO parts for my Piet. However, I have used my disc sander
for almost every piece. Rough cut the pieces to length, and fine tune the mitered
ends on the disc sander - works like a charm.
There are a lot of metal parts in this "all-wood" airplane, and you'll likely need
that bandsaw to cut out the metal parts (unless you have access to a metal
shop), but most of the metal parts will need to be made to fit the wooden structures
that you actually made, so they won't be required until a little later
in the project. My suggestion would be to acquire the tools as you need them,
rather than buying a whole shop full of tools in one shot. That way you can spend
a little time with each new tool, getting to know how each one works, before
cutting into your airplane parts.
As far as the workbench goes, I'm not sure what you're talking about - you plan
to use a 4' x 8' floor as your workbench, with a 2 foot deep cutout on one side,
and mount your tools on the workbench? You will eventually need a workbench
about 15 feet long to build your fuselage on. Like Jack suggested, you should
probably build 2 benches 8 feet long, and about 30 inches wide (you will need
the full 24 inches for the fuselage, and you'll want a bit of extra room - but
not too much - 4 feet is too wide to reach across). Here's a link to some plans
for simple but effective workbenches (but as I said, I'd suggest making them
about 6" wider - even though that means spending a few extra bucks for the
extra plywood)
http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/worktabl/tablefig.htm
As for your workspace, a 2 car garage should work just fine for most of the build.
I only have a 1 1/2, and although it's squishy at times, it works. I have,
however heard that people sometimes use garages to store cars - weird idea. I
live further North than you, and I can work almost year round, by making use
of a small space heater in the winter - it all depends on your desire to get things
built. In my case, I use whatever time is available to me, so if that happens
in the winter months, then that's when I build (the T-88 just takes longer
to cure in colder temps).
Oh, one more thing... unlike a bathroom reno, there shouldn't be any sewer connections
on the Piet (assuming you build to the plans).
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Mystery engine |
On 09/25/2011 01:36 PM, MyrickPiet wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "MyrickPiet"<N762sierra@gmail.com>
>
> Notice how the turbo sends induction air into a rear plenum? This would seem
to indicate some sort of sleeve port for each cylinder to receive its charge.
Also it seems to be set up as a pusher engine because the turbo is fed from
the rear of the firewall and exhaust is facing the prop disc. I know this is
not Piet related but I owned a Piet for years and have followed this site for
11 years. You guys all seem like old pals who like a mental challenge.
>
What are you sayin'? That we're mentally challenged? Are youse talkin'
to me? Hey!
Just kidding, of course. ;-)
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Here I am...another new guy |
One more welcome to the group, John. If one of does not know the answer
to your "soon to be discovered" questions - then the question probably
does not deserve answering. Just remember to BUILD TO THE PLANS, or
mostly to the plans, or at least use them as a general guideline - -
Otherwise you don't get to call it a Pietenpol. Oh one other tool you
might want to consider as it has been very useful to me. That is an
X-acto miter box and back saw. This is a hobby sized miter box and saw
that allows very precise cuts in some hard to get to places. Not too
expensive either.
Best wishes on your build!
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
Long fuse, corvair, split axel gear, 3-piece wing, spruce, Ken Perkins
parts, etc., etc. 6-years into a 5-year project
>>> "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca> 9/26/2011 9:04 AM >>>
Welcome to the group, John.
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden Lift Struts (Update) |
Mark,
FWIW, here are the weights for some aluminum struts for sale on the web. I will
curious to see how yours come out in weight comparison. But the aluminum does
not look near as nice as yours!
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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One quick thought on shipping: I'm certain that I've made UPS, FedEx and USPS
profitable during lean years by ordering materials as needed vs. making fewer
large orders. I haven't done the math, but I know shipping costs are a significant
part of the total cost of the airplane.
Of course, storing the stuff long term also has costs.
Having said all that, I'm buying materials for the next project exactly the way
I did for the Piet: as needed, in small quantities, with lots of shipping costs.
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Wow! Stunning, Mark.
And you're right, that's a lot of work. I won't do all that if I end up replacing
mine :D .
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Almost a third of Dad's cost was shipping if I remember correctly.
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Shad
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From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Here I am...another new guy
il>
One quick thought on shipping:- I'm certain that I've made UPS, FedEx and
USPS profitable during lean years by ordering materials as needed vs. maki
ng fewer large orders.- I haven't done the math, but I know shipping cost
s are a significant part of the total cost of the airplane.-
Of course, storing the stuff long term also has costs.
Having said all that, I'm buying materials for the next project exactly the
way I did for the Piet: as needed, in small quantities, with lots of shipp
ing costs.
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Terry
Where on the web did you find those aluminum struts.
Thanks
Dick N.
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> Mark,
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> FWIW, here are the weights for some aluminum struts for sale on the web. I
> will curious to see how yours come out in weight comparison. But the
> aluminum does not look near as nice as yours!
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As Jack and Bill have said... a couple of workbenches that can be fastened together
would be a great idea. This first thing I built for this project were two
4' x 8' workbenches and the height was determined by MY height, not the standard
table or workbench height. That is something else you should consider...
I don't know if you are shorter or taller than average, but make the benched
comfortable to YOU and you won't fatigue as easily during those long standing
sessions.
I used 2x4s, 4x4s, cheap ply for the shelves and cabinet grade birch for the tops.
I also cut, drilled and tapped some 1" aluminum stock and installed them
into the bottom of the legs and then threaded 3/8"-16 bolts with big washers for
leveling feet. Leveling feet are great any time, but expecially when you get
around to pairing them up for the fuse assembly.
4' x 16'... straight and level. Can you believe that tiny stack of wood will build
the fuse?
Once everything was leveled, I used a few pieces of cheap plywood as gussets and
screwed the table legs together in the middle. You can kind of make out the
big rectangular gusset if you look closely at the two center legs.
To second (or third) the train of thought on tooling... if you buy things up front
that you THINK you'll need, you will not only tie up resources (might not
be a problem for you), but you may look back and say... I wish I would have got
the model with the [fill in the blank], or you may wish a certain tool wasn't
in your way at all while it collects dust. Just something to consider.
My shop/hangar started out with only a few tools I inherited from my Grandpa and
now, only two-and a half years later it is fairly well equipped. At the time
this photo was taken, I had my plans and was awaiting capstrip for ribs. You
don't need much to get started.
Your shop will stay well equipped if you keep an eye out for this mean hombre.
He is known as the Markler, and he always leaves you feeling a wee bit violated
(is that the right word) after a visit. Just look at him... that mean scowl
as he says, "I'm taking this."
Just kidding... Jim is a swell guy and we love him around here. He has been a
BIG help on my project.
Enough tom-foolery... back to work.
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Mark Chouinard
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden Lift Struts (Update) |
http://carlsonaircraft.com/struts.html
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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One of the advantages of making your workbench table top 30" wide is that it
leaves you a piece of plywood about 18" wide which can be added under the
workbench to make a nice shelf for storing wood or anything else. Here is a
picture of my workbench with the fuselage assembled on top of it:
And here you can see the shelf under the workbench:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
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Welcome to the group, John.
When it comes to tools, everybody has their preferred methods.
Ideally, we would all have very spacious, fully equipped workshops (and an
infinite amount of free time and disposable income). However, in the real
world, we make do with what we have (well I do, anyway). It sounds as though
you are faced with starting from scratch, as far as equipping your workshop.
While all of the tools you have listed can be used to good advantage in
building a Piet, it isn't really necessary to have all of them. Many tasks
can be accomplished by several means, depending on the ingenuity of the
builder. In my case, I built up my woodworking tool collection over many
years, prior to starting my Piet so I didn't have to decide what tools to
buy before starting (but still use any excuse available to acquire a new
toy... I mean tool). I chose to buy my Sitka in rough-sawn planks, and
milled it all myself, so a table saw was a necessity. Aircraft Spruce and
Wick's do not sell rough-sawn lumber, so if you want to go that route,
you'll have to find another sou!
rce for your wood, and be prepared to do your own grading. Buying your wood
pre-milled would make the table saw less critical to have. I do have a
thickness planer, so I used it, but it isn't totally necessary. I also have
a (electric) miter saw, and so far have used it to cut ZERO parts for my
Piet. However, I have used my disc sander for almost every piece. Rough cut
the pieces to length, and fine tune the mitered ends on the disc sander -
works like a charm.
There are a lot of metal parts in this "all-wood" airplane, and you'll
likely need that bandsaw to cut out the metal parts (unless you have access
to a metal shop), but most of the metal parts will need to be made to fit
the wooden structures that you actually made, so they won't be required
until a little later in the project. My suggestion would be to acquire the
tools as you need them, rather than buying a whole shop full of tools in one
shot. That way you can spend a little time with each new tool, getting to
know how each one works, before cutting into your airplane parts.
As far as the workbench goes, I'm not sure what you're talking about - you
plan to use a 4' x 8' floor as your workbench, with a 2 foot deep cutout on
one side, and mount your tools on the workbench? You will eventually need a
workbench about 15 feet long to build your fuselage on. Like Jack suggested,
you should probably build 2 benches 8 feet long, and about 30 inches wide
(you will need the full 24 inches for the fuselage, and you'll want a bit of
extra room - but not too much - 4 feet is too wide to reach across). Here's
a link to some plans for simple but effective workbenches (but as I said,
I'd suggest making them about 6" wider - even though that means spending a
few extra bucks for the extra plywood)
http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/worktabl/tablefig.htm
As for your workspace, a 2 car garage should work just fine for most of the
build. I only have a 1 1/2, and although it's squishy at times, it works. I
have, however heard that people sometimes use garages to store cars - weird
idea. I live further North than you, and I can work almost year round, by
making use of a small space heater in the winter - it all depends on your
desire to get things built. In my case, I use whatever time is available to
me, so if that happens in the winter months, then that's when I build (the
T-88 just takes longer to cure in colder temps).
Oh, one more thing... unlike a bathroom reno, there shouldn't be any sewer
connections on the Piet (assuming you build to the plans).
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden Lift Struts (Update) |
One thing to keep in mind, regarding the weights of various struts, is that the
only truly relevant weight will be the OVERALL weight of the completed strut
(including end fittings). Different strut materials will require different fittings
at each end - some heavier than others. For instance, steel struts can have
the end fittings welded in place, whereas aluminum or wooden struts will require
bolted connections (which are always heavier than welds). Therefore the
real comparison should be between the completed strut assemblies.
Just sayin'.
Bill C.
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Bill Church wrote:
> the real comparison should be between the completed strut assemblies.
True.
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Dick,
Michael got the online source right.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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It has come to my attention (again) that embedded images do not play well for e-mail
readers. I am a web reader and I really don't like the way that the attachment
feature screws up the web formatting, so I choose to embed images when
I can. Sorry if this messes things up for those of you that receive e-mails
or the daily digest.
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Mark,
Some really great work on those struts except you got the light wood on the
wrong side.
nice job Mark
John
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Those arr beautiful, and I know it will work. but it would be interesting to make
a short test section with the end fittings you are going to use and pull them
on some type test rig and see what the ultimate yield is. I wish I had done
something like that on my aluminum ones just for fun. might be a good winter
project but then I don't really have a way to pull test them either.Raymond. do
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| Subject: | Re: Mystery Engine - McCulloch? |
In=C2-Volume 2, Number 3 of Torque Meter, the Journal of the Aircraft Eng
ine Historical Society, Kevin Cameron wrote:=C2-"In 1963, McCulloch began
to consider whether a derivative and civilized two stroke might find sales
in=C2-light aviation.=C2- In the early 1970's they revealed a water co
oled turbocharged 5 cylinder=C2-radial two stroke.=C2- It's diameter wa
s small because it had no valve mechanism atop it's heads, (spark plugs wer
e steeply angled=C2-as well) and it was of short stroke design.=C2- =C2
-.....developed 270 sea level horsepower from 188.7 cubic inches and util
ized direct injection. .........maximum permissible speed of 4,200 rpm.
This sound like it could be it! =C2- =C2-
Dave Mordecai
NX520SF
Panacea, FL
=C2-( Does anyone know anything about the attached engine? =C2-Watercoo
led, 5 cyl radial, dual plugs,
Bosch injected, Garrett turbocharged, prop reduction belts. =C2-I suspect
it is
a one-of but that's a LOT of work and expense. =C2-Any gearheads out ther
e have some
ideas?
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It always seemed that whenever I tried to anticipate things too far into th
e future, it never worked out. Now-a-days especially, personal situations c
hange at "the drop of a hat". Better to do what Kev has done.......when you
need it, buy it.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Sent: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:01 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Here I am...another new guy
il>
One quick thought on shipping: I'm certain that I've made UPS, FedEx and U
SPS
rofitable during lean years by ordering materials as needed vs. making fewe
r
arge orders. I haven't done the math, but I know shipping costs are a
ignificant part of the total cost of the airplane.
Of course, storing the stuff long term also has costs.
Having said all that, I'm buying materials for the next project exactly the
way
did for the Piet: as needed, in small quantities, with lots of shipping co
sts.
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evin "Axel" Purtee
X899KP
ustin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden Lift Struts (Update) |
not to scientific but i took a section of the small aluminum strut and drilled
a 5/16 hole 1/2 "from each end, added a bolt ...loose with no filler or reinforcement
and attached it to a 3 ton hoist and a 4800lb tug... only a cable on
each end around the bolts..just as the tug broke ground the aluminum gave away
at a bolt hole..
made me feel ok... knowing i actually had ends to spread the load on the real thing..
those wood struts are beautiful...
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Mystery Engine - McCulloch? |
The Piet guys come thru! Thank you Dave Mordecai in FL. If I could award a prize
you would probably win it. Sounds very much like the right one. I have
passed on the information to the Oklahoma Science Museum where the engine is
on display with many question marks.
(Does anyone know anything about the attached engine? Watercooled, 5 cyl radial,
dual plugs,
Bosch injected, Garrett turbocharged, prop reduction belts. I suspect it is
a one-of but that's a LOT of work and expense. Any gearheads out there have some
ideas?
> [b]
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Thank you everyone for the warm welcome and your ideas. I take constructive criticism
well, so feel free to speak your mind.
As far as tools, I wanted to research and see what is out there and learn the language.
I'll definitely hold off buying until I need it, but at least the research
is done and I have a model number in mind. The funny thing is now when I'm
out with my wife, I park so we have to go through the tool department.
My garage has 22' X 19' of working space I can use. It has two doors, 7' high.
Here are my responses to some of your questions/comments:
JACK
I do have the plan's (plus supplements, the booklet...everything I could order).
I want the long fuselage. Are the plans I have for long? How can I tell?
I prefer a one piece wing. If I can put the wing together in warm weather, then
bring it and the fuselage to a final assembly location, that should work. Are
there things I should consider besides the space saving convenience of three
wing sections?
I prefer the straight axle wooden gear (looks nice), but wondering if it's rough
on the plane. Split axle appears to provide more cushion. Not sure what I'll
do.
GARY
You're sure good at utilizing your garage space. I'm impressed!
MARK
Thanks. I plan to cut in the garage and since we're getting into cold weather,
I'll assemble each rib in the house and since there's no rush, I'll use one of
the techniques from websites I've seen to clamp gussets. I probably am thinking
too much, but I want to have the layout established. Thanks for the Craigs
list idea. Thanks for the photos of your work bench..
DAVE
Flew at Bar Harbor? CLE Chief?
KEN
We have so many digital cameras here, and all junk. I sure miss the days of 35mm.
I'm going to try to find something that takes good photos. I tried a camera
tonight; took some test photos of what's left of my old hobby room.
BILL
Yes, I'm starting from scratch with tools. I'm amazed at how many things I've built
with just some basics: Circular and jig saw and my trusty variable speed/reversible
drill. You wrote "As far as the workbench goes, I'm not sure what you're
talking about - you plan to use a 4' x 8' floor as your workbench, with
a 2 foot deep cutout on one side, and mount your tools on the workbench?"...what
I meant was I thought that would serve as an area to place tools or mount a
vise (odds and ends?). For ribs and fuselage, I'll build a table specifically
for that such as the one EAA 100 designed. I may still build the Tony Bingelis
30" X 30" tool table. I guess I'll see what happens.
TOM
Thanks for the hobby miter box suggestion.
I'm attaching a couple of photos to try this out and see if the camera is a piece
of junk like my others. This is what remains of my hobby room in which I built
model rockets. I can either chuck it, or use it as an area to put tools or
do miscellaneous work; still thinking.
YIKES! I'm looking at the preview and looks like I'm going to have to buy another
camera. Oh well!
OK, not going to think too much. I'll get some milled wood, some from Wicks and
Spruce and compare them. Meanwhile, I'll build the rib jig (as soon as I get
the garage ready).
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