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1. 03:01 AM - Re: Re: Miter Joints on ribs (Charles Campbell)
2. 03:09 AM - Re: cable tension (Charles Campbell)
3. 04:12 AM - Re: cable tension (helspersew@aol.com)
4. 04:18 AM - machined control horns? (j_dunavin)
5. 06:15 AM - Re: machined control horns? (Bill Church)
6. 06:48 AM - Re: machined control horns? (TOM STINEMETZE)
7. 07:36 AM - Ok, so I cheated and am doing this backwards. (tools)
8. 08:49 AM - Re: Ok, so I cheated and am doing this backwards. (Jack Phillips)
9. 09:19 AM - Re: Ok, so I cheated and am doing this backwards. (jarheadpilot82)
10. 10:16 AM - Re: Ok, so I cheated and am doing this backwards. (Ben Charvet)
11. 10:29 AM - Re: Re: machined control horns? (helspersew@aol.com)
12. 10:40 AM - Re: Ok, so I cheated and am doing this backwards. (tools)
13. 11:00 AM - Re: Re: machined control horns? (CozyGirrrl@aol.com)
14. 11:09 AM - Re: Re: Ok, so I cheated and am doing this backwards. (Ben Charvet)
15. 11:16 AM - Re: Re: machined control horns? (Ben Charvet)
16. 11:39 AM - "The Last Original" Fly's Again (dwilson)
17. 11:58 AM - Re: Ok, so I cheated and am doing this backwards. (K5YAC)
18. 12:04 PM - Re: machined control horns? (K5YAC)
19. 01:40 PM - Re: Ok, so I cheated and am doing this backwards. (aerocarjake)
20. 01:55 PM - Re: Re: machined control horns? (Doug Dever)
21. 02:04 PM - Re: Re: machined control horns? (TOM STINEMETZE)
22. 02:49 PM - rib wedges and one more question (Kyle85)
23. 02:49 PM - Re: Re: machined control horns? (Charles Campbell)
24. 04:17 PM - Re: rib wedges and one more question (Jack Phillips)
25. 04:31 PM - Re: Re: machined control horns? (helspersew@aol.com)
26. 04:33 PM - Re: Re: Ok, so I cheated and am doing this backwards. (Dick N)
27. 10:25 PM - cable tension (Oscar Zuniga)
28. 11:48 PM - Re: cable tension (bender)
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| Subject: | Re: Miter Joints on ribs |
Mark, I had Michael's video before I started my ribs but I did mine as you
did -- his way looked way too complicated for me. I wonder which is
stronger. According to the post regarding the joint test (with the sand
bags) it really doesn't matter -- the rib cap strip is going to break before
the joint, anyway.
----- Original Message -----
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 1:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Miter Joints on ribs
>
> Ohh, now look at that. Strange how we look at things differently. All of
> my verticals were butted to the ribs while the diagonals were fitted in
> between the verticals... opposite of yours. I guess there is no right or
> wrong way structurally, but that just looks more difficult to me, although
> it is essentially the same.
>
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353435#353435
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: cable tension |
Bob, the picture looks great. I will be glad when I get to that point.
I will figure that I am about 99.44 % complete.
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From: Bob edson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cable tension
We have the tail feathers covered,filled,primed and starting to paint
with Stuart system- it works great. Ready to start covering wings and
want to know what tension to put on the different cables. We have a
tension gage so what is the tension required? Bob picture
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| Subject: | Re: cable tension |
Oh no, not this again. Dan, yours is a G. Mine is a "twannnnggggggg". I for
get all the others.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
Sent: Wed, Sep 28, 2011 5:56 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cable tension
This has been discussed in the past the list - I'm sure it's in the
rchives. I think Pietenpol in the key of G is the answer. ;-)
Not too tight and not too loose. I think people have tightened with
heir fingers and then gone one more full turn.
It doesn't need much, that's for sure. I've heard people say 8lb to
0lb. I think 40lb might be too much. When I do my pre-flight I give
hem a strum and a low G is about right.
n 09/28/2011 04:36 PM, Bob edson wrote:
We have the tail feathers covered,filled,primed and starting to paint
with Stuart system- it works great. Ready to start covering wings and
want to know what tension to put on the different cables. We have a
tension gage so what is the tension required? Bob picture
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an Yocum
ermilab 630.840.6509
ocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
Sent: Wed, Sep 28, 2011 5:56 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cable tension
This has been discussed in the past the list - I'm sure it's in the
rchives. I think Pietenpol in the key of G is the answer. ;-)
Not too tight and not too loose. I think people have tightened with
heir fingers and then gone one more full turn.
It doesn't need much, that's for sure. I've heard people say 8lb to
0lb. I think 40lb might be too much. When I do my pre-flight I give
hem a strum and a low G is about right.
n 09/28/2011 04:36 PM, Bob edson wrote:
We have the tail feathers covered,filled,primed and starting to paint
with Stuart system- it works great. Ready to start covering wings and
want to know what tension to put on the different cables. We have a
tension gage so what is the tension required? Bob picture
--
an Yocum
ermilab 630.840.6509
ocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | machined control horns? |
I thought that i saw someone on the forum who had machined one piece, solid horns.
They looked like .25 in. thick. Can anyone help me out here, or am i loosing
my mind?
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| Subject: | Re: machined control horns? |
Hmmm... I think that maybe the person who made the solid control horns (if they
did) might be the one who was losing their mind. Solid control horns - even if
made of aluminum - would weigh considerably more than the hollow, light gauge
steel horns shown in the plans, and with no discernible benefit. From a design
standpoint, in my opinion, the plans-built control horns are an excellent combination
of strength, lightness and beauty. Almost everyone that has made theirs
to the plans is surprised by how easy they actually are to build, and how
strong they are.
My 2 cents (that you didn't even ask for).
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: machined control horns? |
There was a company marketing these not too long back and I purchased a
set on eBay but then decided not to use them. You can have them for the
postage if you want them. E-mail me off list for details: toms at
mcpcity dot com
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
>>> "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin@hotmail.com> 9/29/2011 6:15 AM >>>
I thought that i saw someone on the forum who had machined one piece,
solid horns. They looked like .25 in. thick. Can anyone help me out here,
or am i loosing my mind?
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| Subject: | Ok, so I cheated and am doing this backwards. |
After 18 or so years of research on a Piet, and after taking my rather enterprising
son to Brodhead this year... he proclaimed he could buy one faster than I
can build one.
Him starting his last year at home, I figured he had a point so I set out looking
for one for us to fly while I build one.
Sort of remembering that one was going to be for sale at Brodhead, and disappointed
that I didn't see it there (it was there, I just didn't know which one) I
found by reading old posts that it was Dick Navratil's NX2RN (his first Piet,
blue and yellow with an A-65). Turns it, it's the exact configuration I want
to build, except I'm sort of leaning towards a Model A. However, I've never
thought having an aviation engine was a bad thing in a plane. Also, having no
light civil aviation experience and having never owned a plane... thought the
A-65 would be great!
So, I call Dick, fly to MN, he graciously picks me up, drives me way out to the
plane, I look it over (can't get a ride because Dick's biannual checkride is
out of date) and REALLY like it!
Here's my son's conditions. He wants a Piet, he didn't care about configuration,
but was insistent I didn't buy a project!
This plane was perfect. Tested but not old, solid as a rock, materials and workmanship
in the build perfectly documented and beyond question in my mind. So
I jump in it (it's the short fuse) and about cry. No way I can manipulate the
rudder.... I'm heartbroken. Dick says to taxi it around. I've never even
taxied a tailwheel plane in my LIFE! But, I decide to take him up on it. It
starts on one pull, and with the steerable tailwheel I realize the pedals aren't
too bad. I pull the trigger and strike a deal!
Now, second problem. Remember no projects? Not quite true, I AM the project.
Not only havn't I not taxied a tailwheel, I've never flown one either! Good
news, this plane is in MN. I right then start a month long stint in a hotel in
St Paul getting checked out a very similar plane... the venerable Airbus A-330...
Ya, I went to MN late Sep to get checked out in two planes. One with a wingspan
of the other's takeoff roll.
Now, going to say this here. This is a great plane. But it's NOTHING compared
to the man who agreed to let me buy it. Dick insisted it be freshly annualled.
He insisted on a few other nice things. He hauled my butt out to that airport
a dozen or more times. He had me over for dinner. In the buy, he agreed
to help me with the annual condition inspection if I bring it to Brodhead. He
agreed to letting me keep it in his hangar (possibly till next spring!) until
I can ferry it a thousand miles home. More than all of that, just one hell
of a great guy. One might say I bought a good friend and got a free plane in
the deal, but friends like that can't be bought at any price.
So, Dick helps me find a tailwheel instructor at Osceola (where the plane is) and
patiently waits around on a couple trips while I get an endorsement. Two rides
in a 180hp Super Decathalon (in the front seat) and I have an endorsement.
YIKES. Took one more ride in the back seat of a 110hp BRAND NEW Champ. Uh,
that thing had a moving map display with terrain alerting! It's better than
the map in a $100 million dollar Airbus! Very gusty, feel better.... but still...
yikes.
Two days ago I run the Piet up and down the grass strip with the tail up... wow.
First few tries I aborted way early in that process. But figured it out reasonably
quick. Yesterday Dick takes me up for a few landings. THAT HELPED a
TON. So, under no pressure at all (it was a BEAUTIFUL day), the builder and
my son there watching, only a few hours after my type rating ride with the FAA
in an Airbus A330, I flew the Piet!
What a day. Nearly 20 years of waiting for that, I flew solo for the first time
since Mar 1, 1999 (and that was a A-4), my first light civil flight since July
of 1982, I got to fly a Piet.
I'm flying the Airbus to Barcelona tomorrow, so hope to get up next week to ferry
the Piet back. Going to be a fun few days for my son and I.
I would be interested in recommendations for fuel and overnight stops between St
Paul and Chatt TN if anyone knows that route well.
Don't worry, this has completely increased my resolve to get cracking on my Piet.
Not giving up on that at all. Besides, don't want to fight my son for time
in the plane!
Cheers,
Tools
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Congratulations on buying Dick's Pietenpol, and on finally learning how to
fly a REAL airplane, one without a training wheel on the front.
As for good stops along your trip, one place that is pretty much in a direct
line between Mineapolis and Chattanooga that I've landed is Mattoon,
Illinois (MTO). They have a nice grass runway and a great restaurant on the
field (try their Elephant Ear sandwich).
Slightly out of your way, but worth the deviation, is Poplar Grove, Illinois
(C77). Two good grass runways there, along with the friendliest FBO
(particularly to Pietenpol people) I've ever seen.
Closer to Chattanooga, try Tullahoma, Tennessee (THA). They have a nice
2900' grass runway in addition to two paved runways, and the Staggerwing
Museum is on the field. Self-Service Fuel. The Jack Daniels Distillery is
only 11 miles away, and the George Dickel Distillery is even closer.
Good Luck!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:34 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ok, so I cheated and am doing this backwards.
After 18 or so years of research on a Piet, and after taking my rather
enterprising son to Brodhead this year... he proclaimed he could buy one
faster than I can build one.
Him starting his last year at home, I figured he had a point so I set out
looking for one for us to fly while I build one.
Sort of remembering that one was going to be for sale at Brodhead, and
disappointed that I didn't see it there (it was there, I just didn't know
which one) I found by reading old posts that it was Dick Navratil's NX2RN
(his first Piet, blue and yellow with an A-65). Turns it, it's the exact
configuration I want to build, except I'm sort of leaning towards a Model A.
However, I've never thought having an aviation engine was a bad thing in a
plane. Also, having no light civil aviation experience and having never
owned a plane... thought the A-65 would be great!
So, I call Dick, fly to MN, he graciously picks me up, drives me way out to
the plane, I look it over (can't get a ride because Dick's biannual
checkride is out of date) and REALLY like it!
Here's my son's conditions. He wants a Piet, he didn't care about
configuration, but was insistent I didn't buy a project!
This plane was perfect. Tested but not old, solid as a rock, materials and
workmanship in the build perfectly documented and beyond question in my
mind. So I jump in it (it's the short fuse) and about cry. No way I can
manipulate the rudder.... I'm heartbroken. Dick says to taxi it around.
I've never even taxied a tailwheel plane in my LIFE! But, I decide to take
him up on it. It starts on one pull, and with the steerable tailwheel I
realize the pedals aren't too bad. I pull the trigger and strike a deal!
Now, second problem. Remember no projects? Not quite true, I AM the
project. Not only havn't I not taxied a tailwheel, I've never flown one
either! Good news, this plane is in MN. I right then start a month long
stint in a hotel in St Paul getting checked out a very similar plane... the
venerable Airbus A-330...
Ya, I went to MN late Sep to get checked out in two planes. One with a
wingspan of the other's takeoff roll.
Now, going to say this here. This is a great plane. But it's NOTHING
compared to the man who agreed to let me buy it. Dick insisted it be
freshly annualled. He insisted on a few other nice things. He hauled my
butt out to that airport a dozen or more times. He had me over for dinner.
In the buy, he agreed to help me with the annual condition inspection if I
bring it to Brodhead. He agreed to letting me keep it in his hangar
(possibly till next spring!) until I can ferry it a thousand miles home.
More than all of that, just one hell of a great guy. One might say I bought
a good friend and got a free plane in the deal, but friends like that can't
be bought at any price.
So, Dick helps me find a tailwheel instructor at Osceola (where the plane
is) and patiently waits around on a couple trips while I get an endorsement.
Two rides in a 180hp Super Decathalon (in the front seat) and I have an
endorsement. YIKES. Took one more ride in the back seat of a 110hp BRAND
NEW Champ. Uh, that thing had a moving map display with terrain alerting!
It's better than the map in a $100 million dollar Airbus! Very gusty, feel
better.... but still... yikes.
Two days ago I run the Piet up and down the grass strip with the tail up...
wow. First few tries I aborted way early in that process. But figured it
out reasonably quick. Yesterday Dick takes me up for a few landings. THAT
HELPED a TON. So, under no pressure at all (it was a BEAUTIFUL day), the
builder and my son there watching, only a few hours after my type rating
ride with the FAA in an Airbus A330, I flew the Piet!
What a day. Nearly 20 years of waiting for that, I flew solo for the first
time since Mar 1, 1999 (and that was a A-4), my first light civil flight
since July of 1982, I got to fly a Piet.
I'm flying the Airbus to Barcelona tomorrow, so hope to get up next week to
ferry the Piet back. Going to be a fun few days for my son and I.
I would be interested in recommendations for fuel and overnight stops
between St Paul and Chatt TN if anyone knows that route well.
Don't worry, this has completely increased my resolve to get cracking on my
Piet. Not giving up on that at all. Besides, don't want to fight my son
for time in the plane!
Cheers,
Tools
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353516#353516
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| Subject: | Re: Ok, so I cheated and am doing this backwards. |
Tools,
Nicely done! Let me know when you get it back home and I will drive up to see it.
Congrats to you and your son.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| Subject: | Re: Ok, so I cheated and am doing this backwards. |
I did something similar and bought a Baby Ace half-way through my
build. Nice thing about airplanes like the one you bought.. if you dont
break it, it will probably be worth the same price when you finish your
project. My motivation was to be ready to test-fly when the time came.
As much fun as your first flight in NX2RN was, your first flight in an
airplane you built yourself will be even better. You also have the
opportunity to know what you like/don't like/or could improve on when
you build your own. Enjoy!
Ben Charvet
Titusville, Fl
On 9/29/2011 10:34 AM, tools wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tools"<n0kkj@yahoo.com>
>
> After 18 or so years of research on a Piet, and after taking my rather enterprising
son to Brodhead this year... he proclaimed he could buy one faster than
I can build one.
>
> Him starting his last year at home, I figured he had a point so I set out looking
for one for us to fly while I build one.
>
> Sort of remembering that one was going to be for sale at Brodhead, and disappointed
that I didn't see it there (it was there, I just didn't know which one)
I found by reading old posts that it was Dick Navratil's NX2RN (his first Piet,
blue and yellow with an A-65). Turns it, it's the exact configuration I want
to build, except I'm sort of leaning towards a Model A. However, I've never
thought having an aviation engine was a bad thing in a plane. Also, having
no light civil aviation experience and having never owned a plane... thought the
A-65 would be great!
>
> So, I call Dick, fly to MN, he graciously picks me up, drives me way out to the
plane, I look it over (can't get a ride because Dick's biannual checkride is
out of date) and REALLY like it!
>
> Here's my son's conditions. He wants a Piet, he didn't care about configuration,
but was insistent I didn't buy a project!
>
> This plane was perfect. Tested but not old, solid as a rock, materials and workmanship
in the build perfectly documented and beyond question in my mind.
So I jump in it (it's the short fuse) and about cry. No way I can manipulate
the rudder.... I'm heartbroken. Dick says to taxi it around. I've never even
taxied a tailwheel plane in my LIFE! But, I decide to take him up on it. It
starts on one pull, and with the steerable tailwheel I realize the pedals aren't
too bad. I pull the trigger and strike a deal!
>
> Now, second problem. Remember no projects? Not quite true, I AM the project.
Not only havn't I not taxied a tailwheel, I've never flown one either! Good
news, this plane is in MN. I right then start a month long stint in a hotel
in St Paul getting checked out a very similar plane... the venerable Airbus A-330...
>
> Ya, I went to MN late Sep to get checked out in two planes. One with a wingspan
of the other's takeoff roll.
>
> Now, going to say this here. This is a great plane. But it's NOTHING compared
to the man who agreed to let me buy it. Dick insisted it be freshly annualled.
He insisted on a few other nice things. He hauled my butt out to that airport
a dozen or more times. He had me over for dinner. In the buy, he agreed
to help me with the annual condition inspection if I bring it to Brodhead.
He agreed to letting me keep it in his hangar (possibly till next spring!) until
I can ferry it a thousand miles home. More than all of that, just one hell
of a great guy. One might say I bought a good friend and got a free plane in
the deal, but friends like that can't be bought at any price.
>
> So, Dick helps me find a tailwheel instructor at Osceola (where the plane is)
and patiently waits around on a couple trips while I get an endorsement. Two
rides in a 180hp Super Decathalon (in the front seat) and I have an endorsement.
YIKES. Took one more ride in the back seat of a 110hp BRAND NEW Champ.
Uh, that thing had a moving map display with terrain alerting! It's better than
the map in a $100 million dollar Airbus! Very gusty, feel better.... but still...
yikes.
>
> Two days ago I run the Piet up and down the grass strip with the tail up... wow.
First few tries I aborted way early in that process. But figured it out
reasonably quick. Yesterday Dick takes me up for a few landings. THAT HELPED
a TON. So, under no pressure at all (it was a BEAUTIFUL day), the builder and
my son there watching, only a few hours after my type rating ride with the FAA
in an Airbus A330, I flew the Piet!
>
> What a day. Nearly 20 years of waiting for that, I flew solo for the first time
since Mar 1, 1999 (and that was a A-4), my first light civil flight since
July of 1982, I got to fly a Piet.
>
> I'm flying the Airbus to Barcelona tomorrow, so hope to get up next week to ferry
the Piet back. Going to be a fun few days for my son and I.
>
> I would be interested in recommendations for fuel and overnight stops between
St Paul and Chatt TN if anyone knows that route well.
>
> Don't worry, this has completely increased my resolve to get cracking on my Piet.
Not giving up on that at all. Besides, don't want to fight my son for time
in the plane!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tools
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353516#353516
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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Officially, there are two things that every real Pietenpol has.
* Hollow steel control horns, per plans
* Small leather patch glued to leading edge of vertical stabilizer where up
per elevator control cable touches
Final word.
Don't kill the messenger.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 8:15 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: machined control horns?
>
Hmmm... I think that maybe the person who made the solid control horns (if
they
id) might be the one who was losing their mind. Solid control horns - even
if
ade of aluminum - would weigh considerably more than the hollow, light gaug
e
teel horns shown in the plans, and with no discernible benefit. From a desi
gn
tandpoint, in my opinion, the plans-built control horns are an excellent
ombination of strength, lightness and beauty. Almost everyone that has made
heirs to the plans is surprised by how easy they actually are to build, and
how
trong they are.
My 2 cents (that you didn't even ask for).
Bill C.
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No doubt having Dick's bird to reference while I build (hence the excitement about
it being configured so closely to how I want to build) will be invaluable.
As well as being more prepared to flying it. I agree, flying one I built is
the next big thrill in my flying world.
I made a very serious omission in my initial writeup in that I forgot to mention
how warm a welcome I got in MSP from both the EAA community and the Piet guys
especially.
Dick was also super gracious in that he came and hauled my butt to the weekly meetings
in his hangar in Crystal, where the club Piet is being built. I got 75%
done (thought I had one more visit.... dammit!) with mortising in the hinges
in the horizontal stab/elevators. Lots of fun and great to get some hands on
several nights.
Was also treated to a ride way down to his EAA chapter's hangar and meeting everyone
there and a temporary pass to enter the SAC... Really a lot of great guys.
Kinda funny, but being a former military pilot and lifelong aviation junky anyway,
I've been to TONS of airshows, mostly big, and some small. Well, went to
Osceola's yearly airshow (this year combined with a car show) and coincidently
ran into no less than six people I knew (all met within the previous week or
two). I ran into two people I knew at Oshkosh two years ago, but that's it over
the last 30 or so years of airshows. VERY friendly and open folks.
Thanks to everyone for making a month long stint in a hotel a VERY memorable and
fun time (and I've got a number of these month and longer stints in hotels,
ships and shacks in the dessert under my belt)!
Tools
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three if I hear the purists correctly!
* Model A Ford engine
Chrissi & Randi
_www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/)
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop
In a message dated 9/29/2011 12:30:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
helspersew@aol.com writes:
Officially, there are two things that every real Pietenpol has.
* Hollow steel control horns, per plans
* Small leather patch glued to leading edge of vertical stabilizer where
upper elevator control cable touches
Final word.
Don't kill the messenger.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 8:15 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: machined control horns?
<_billspiet@sympatico.ca_ (mailto:billspiet@sympatico.ca) >
Hmmm... I think that maybe the person who made the solid control horns (if
they
did) might be the one who was losing their mind. Solid control horns -
even if
made of aluminum - would weigh considerably more than the hollow, light
gauge
steel horns shown in the plans, and with no discernible benefit. From a
design
standpoint, in my opinion, the plans-built control horns are an excellent
combination of strength, lightness and beauty. Almost everyone that has
made
theirs to the plans is surprised by how easy they actually are to build,
and how
strong they are.
My 2 cents (that you didn't even ask for).
Bill C.
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All you describe doesn't compare to showing up at Brodhead and seeing 30
guys you know!
Ben
On 9/29/2011 1:38 PM, tools wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tools"<n0kkj@yahoo.com>
>
> No doubt having Dick's bird to reference while I build (hence the excitement
about it being configured so closely to how I want to build) will be invaluable.
As well as being more prepared to flying it. I agree, flying one I built
is the next big thrill in my flying world.
>
> I made a very serious omission in my initial writeup in that I forgot to mention
how warm a welcome I got in MSP from both the EAA community and the Piet guys
especially.
>
> Dick was also super gracious in that he came and hauled my butt to the weekly
meetings in his hangar in Crystal, where the club Piet is being built. I got
75% done (thought I had one more visit.... dammit!) with mortising in the hinges
in the horizontal stab/elevators. Lots of fun and great to get some hands
on several nights.
>
> Was also treated to a ride way down to his EAA chapter's hangar and meeting everyone
there and a temporary pass to enter the SAC... Really a lot of great
guys.
>
> Kinda funny, but being a former military pilot and lifelong aviation junky anyway,
I've been to TONS of airshows, mostly big, and some small. Well, went to
Osceola's yearly airshow (this year combined with a car show) and coincidently
ran into no less than six people I knew (all met within the previous week or
two). I ran into two people I knew at Oshkosh two years ago, but that's it
over the last 30 or so years of airshows. VERY friendly and open folks.
>
> Thanks to everyone for making a month long stint in a hotel a VERY memorable
and fun time (and I've got a number of these month and longer stints in hotels,
ships and shacks in the dessert under my belt)!
>
> Tools
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353532#353532
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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Now you're making me feel bad. I don't have the leather patches or the
Model A Ford on my Piet. I DO have a model A truck in the garage, does
that count?
Ben
DO NOT ARCHIVE
On 9/29/2011 1:57 PM, CozyGirrrl@aol.com wrote:
> three if I hear the purists correctly!
> * Model A Ford engine
> Chrissi & Randi
> www.CozyGirrrl.com <http://www.cozygirrrl.com/>
> CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
> Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop
> In a message dated 9/29/2011 12:30:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> helspersew@aol.com writes:
>
> Officially, there are two things that every real Pietenpol has.
> * Hollow steel control horns, per plans
> * Small leather patch glued to leading edge of vertical stabilizer
> where upper elevator control cable touches
> Final word.
> Don't kill the messenger.
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
> do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 8:15 am
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: machined control horns?
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church"<billspiet@sympatico.ca <mailto:billspiet@sympatico.ca>>
>
> Hmmm... I think that maybe the person who made the solid control horns (if
they
> did) might be the one who was losing their mind. Solid control horns - even
if
> made of aluminum - would weigh considerably more than the hollow, light gauge
> steel horns shown in the plans, and with no discernible benefit. From a design
> standpoint, in my opinion, the plans-built control horns are an excellent
> combination of strength, lightness and beauty. Almost everyone that has made
> theirs to the plans is surprised by how easy they actually are to build,
and how
> strong they are.
>
> My 2 cents (that you didn't even ask for).
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| Subject: | "The Last Original" Fly's Again |
Was just informed that the Last Original flew today at the Brodhead airport. Rebuilt
Corvair fired on the first blade. They are going to try and post a video
soon.
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What a story! Good luck with your new bird, and your project.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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I am ONE of the people that have made them, but I've decided not to use them.
Primarily because they would require some welding that would later be covered
by fabric... in other words, not easily inspectable. They turned out looking
nice, but that wasn't the point really.
Take my word for it and fabricate a set according to plans. They really are easy
and very strong. And yes, lighter to boot.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Congrats..... one of the best posts I have read in quite a while....... flying
and friendships, very nice.........
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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You forgot to include anifreeze:)
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
Do not archive
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: machined control horns?
From: helspersew@aol.com
Officially=2C there are two things that every real Pietenpol has.
* Hollow steel control horns=2C per plans
* Small leather patch glued to leading edge of vertical stabilizer where up
per elevator control cable touches
Final word.
Don't kill the messenger.
Dan Helsper
Puryear=2C TN
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Thu=2C Sep 29=2C 2011 8:15 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: machined control horns?
>
Hmmm... I think that maybe the person who made the solid control horns (if
they
did) might be the one who was losing their mind. Solid control horns - even
if
made of aluminum - would weigh considerably more than the hollow=2C light g
auge
steel horns shown in the plans=2C and with no discernible benefit. From a d
esign
standpoint=2C in my opinion=2C the plans-built control horns are an excelle
nt
combination of strength=2C lightness and beauty. Almost everyone that has m
ade
theirs to the plans is surprised by how easy they actually are to build=2C
and how
strong they are.
My 2 cents (that you didn't even ask for).
Bill C.
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And a pretty young thang to sit in the front seat.
AN (i.e. Aircraft Nut)
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____ | ____
\8/
o/ \o
>>> Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com> 9/29/2011 3:52 PM >>>
You forgot to include anifreeze:)
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
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| Subject: | rib wedges and one more question |
Hello once again, just getting ready to start my wing c-section soon. My first
question is do I install wedges between the rib and the spar, like the plans call
for? OR do i oversize the spar and taper it down to facilitate the ribs. I
do remember somthing awhile back about using plywood spacers, but can't seem
to dig it up on the archives. Also, do I need to put the ribs with the extra supports
on the rib root and on the outer portion of the center section? Thanks
again
-Kyle[/list]
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That should be "....horizontal stabilizer...." not vertical.
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Dever
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:52 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: machined control horns?
You forgot to include anifreeze:)
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
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To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: machined control horns?
From: helspersew@aol.com
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:27:21 -0400
Officially, there are two things that every real Pietenpol has.
* Hollow steel control horns, per plans
* Small leather patch glued to leading edge of vertical stabilizer
where upper elevator control cable touches
Final word.
Don't kill the messenger.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 8:15 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: machined control horns?
<billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Hmmm... I think that maybe the person who made the solid control horns
(if they
did) might be the one who was losing their mind. Solid control horns -
even if
made of aluminum - would weigh considerably more than the hollow, light
gauge
steel horns shown in the plans, and with no discernible benefit. From a
design
standpoint, in my opinion, the plans-built control horns are an
excellent
combination of strength, lightness and beauty. Almost everyone that has
made
theirs to the plans is surprised by how easy they actually are to build,
and how
strong they are.
My 2 cents (that you didn't even ask for).
Bill C.
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| Subject: | rib wedges and one more question |
Kyle,
I used spruce wedges. A beveled spar would work fine, but is adding a
considerable amount of weight for no benefit (in between the ribs).
You need the ribs with extra support at the root and tip to withstand the
tension of the fabric, which can exert an incredible amount of force.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kyle85
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rib wedges and one more question
Hello once again, just getting ready to start my wing c-section soon. My
first question is do I install wedges between the rib and the spar, like the
plans call for? OR do i oversize the spar and taper it down to facilitate
the ribs. I do remember somthing awhile back about using plywood spacers,
but can't seem to dig it up on the archives. Also, do I need to put the ribs
with the extra supports on the rib root and on the outer portion of the
center section? Thanks again
-Kyle[/list]
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oops
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-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 4:49 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: machined control horns?
That should be "....horizontal stabilizer...." not vertical.
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Dever
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:52 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: machined control horns?
You forgot to include anifreeze:)
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
Do not archive
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: machined control horns?
From: helspersew@aol.com
Officially, there are two things that every real Pietenpol has.
* Hollow steel control horns, per plans
* Small leather patch glued to leading edge of vertical stabilizer where up
per elevator control cable touches
Final word.
Don't kill the messenger.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 8:15 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: machined control horns?
>
Hmmm... I think that maybe the person who made the solid control horns (if
they
id) might be the one who was losing their mind. Solid control horns - even
if
ade of aluminum - would weigh considerably more than the hollow, light gaug
e
teel horns shown in the plans, and with no discernible benefit. From a desi
gn
tandpoint, in my opinion, the plans-built control horns are an excellent
ombination of strength, lightness and beauty. Almost everyone that has made
heirs to the plans is surprised by how easy they actually are to build, and
how
trong they are.
My 2 cents (that you didn't even ask for).
Bill C.
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Thanks Mike
I'm reaaly going to miss that Pietenpol, it's going to be tough not hearing
that put put. Now I'll listen to that Rotec instead.
Dick N.
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From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ok, so I cheated and am doing this backwards.
>
> No doubt having Dick's bird to reference while I build (hence the
> excitement about it being configured so closely to how I want to build)
> will be invaluable. As well as being more prepared to flying it. I
> agree, flying one I built is the next big thrill in my flying world.
>
> I made a very serious omission in my initial writeup in that I forgot to
> mention how warm a welcome I got in MSP from both the EAA community and
> the Piet guys especially.
>
> Dick was also super gracious in that he came and hauled my butt to the
> weekly meetings in his hangar in Crystal, where the club Piet is being
> built. I got 75% done (thought I had one more visit.... dammit!) with
> mortising in the hinges in the horizontal stab/elevators. Lots of fun and
> great to get some hands on several nights.
>
> Was also treated to a ride way down to his EAA chapter's hangar and
> meeting everyone there and a temporary pass to enter the SAC... Really a
> lot of great guys.
>
> Kinda funny, but being a former military pilot and lifelong aviation junky
> anyway, I've been to TONS of airshows, mostly big, and some small. Well,
> went to Osceola's yearly airshow (this year combined with a car show) and
> coincidently ran into no less than six people I knew (all met within the
> previous week or two). I ran into two people I knew at Oshkosh two years
> ago, but that's it over the last 30 or so years of airshows. VERY
> friendly and open folks.
>
> Thanks to everyone for making a month long stint in a hotel a VERY
> memorable and fun time (and I've got a number of these month and longer
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I think I've posted this reply before, but here's what I did on
Scout when re-rigging the struts and wings. I set up the wing
geometry the way I wanted it (washout and dihedral), then tensioned
the strut X-brace cables to where they were nice and snug but not
tight enough to worry me. How's that for scientific? I then
used a simple cable tensiometer from the local marine supply
house (sailboats) to make sure all the cable tensions were about equal.
You can do the same by twanging to see if they sound the same.
Same thing for the tail brace cables. You should note that all
the cables pull against one another to hold the assembly in rigid
geometric relationship to one another and that's all. If you
over-tension them, you begin to distort things or pre-load them
in ways that are not intended. The essence of geometric and
structural bracing is to prevent things from getting started in
a direction that you don't want them to go, because once they
get started in that direction, things become (as we engineers
say) "asymptotic" or "divergent". So you're not trying to
tighten your suspenders so tight that you jam your chin into
your crotch, so to speak... you're just trying to hold them in
place so that everything stays in proper geometric relationship
to everything else.
This is a case where enough is just right, but more is not always
better and not enough can be disastrous. And remember that
Bernard Pietenpol did not own a computer or a calculator and
that he died of natural causes after flying numerous
experimental aircraft of his own design, as a test pilot of
each of them. May we emulate him, and enjoy life as a result.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: cable tension |
i love the part where mr pietenpol died of natural causes.....
i soloed in the first plane i built..... and when folks ask who will do the test
flights on my Piet i say ...me of course...just like the late Mr Pietenpol
jeff
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