---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 10/03/11: 33 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:52 AM - Re: Aerolite glue (Bill Church) 2. 09:21 AM - Re: GN-1 short vid (Dan Yocum) 3. 11:08 AM - Photo (kevinpurtee) 4. 11:24 AM - Re: Photo (Dave Abramson) 5. 11:40 AM - Re: Photo (K5YAC) 6. 11:48 AM - NX53WE (Bob edson) 7. 11:59 AM - Re: Photo (TOM STINEMETZE) 8. 12:06 PM - Re: Photo (Jim Boyer) 9. 12:10 PM - Re: NX53WE (Jim Boyer) 10. 12:33 PM - Re: NX53WE (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 11. 01:52 PM - Re: NX53WE (K5YAC) 12. 02:08 PM - Re: Photo (kevinpurtee) 13. 02:27 PM - Re: Photo (Bill Church) 14. 02:28 PM - Re: Photo (kevinpurtee) 15. 02:30 PM - Re: Photo (kevinpurtee) 16. 02:32 PM - Re: Photo (K5YAC) 17. 02:40 PM - Re: Re: Photo (Greg Cardinal) 18. 02:48 PM - Re: Photo (Bill Church) 19. 03:06 PM - Re: Re: Photo (Jim Boyer) 20. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: Photo (Jim Boyer) 21. 03:22 PM - Re: NX53WE (helspersew@aol.com) 22. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: Photo (Ben Charvet) 23. 04:07 PM - Re: Photo (Jerry Dotson) 24. 07:11 PM - Re: Photo (Piet2112) 25. 08:57 PM - Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the 1x1 for (PShipman) 26. 09:15 PM - Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the 1x1 for (K5YAC) 27. 09:17 PM - Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the 1x1 for (K5YAC) 28. 09:27 PM - Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the 1x1 for (PShipman) 29. 09:37 PM - Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the 1x1 for (K5YAC) 30. 09:53 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the 1x1 for (Ryan Mueller) 31. 10:08 PM - More Pietenpol Roots in Oklahoma (K5YAC) 32. 10:13 PM - Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the 1x1 fo (K5YAC) 33. 10:27 PM - Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the 1x1 fo (PShipman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aerolite glue From: "Bill Church" Two points: 1) Rodney, when building a laminated spar or longeron, the grain directions of the laminated strips should match. In the case of a spar, the resultant grain should be horizontal, when the spar is standing upright. In other words, if you look at the spar installed in the wing, the grain lines should look like a very tall deck of cards (grain lines about 3/4" long). In the case of longerons, since they are usually square, so the orientation isn't an issue. The grain direction of the individual layers should stack on top of each other. and 2) Very nice to see a post from Graham Hansen. As always, full of well thought out, useful, practical advice, based on personal experience and logic. Thanks for sharing, Graham. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353869#353869 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:34 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 short vid Great stuff, Larry! Congrats on getting her back in the air. do not archive On 10/02/2011 08:49 PM, TriScout wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "TriScout" > > ..well, I flew the GN-1 last month and happened to have a little camera in my pocket, so I captured some crude video during my maiden flight in it. It really isn't a "maiden" flight since it's been flying since 1980, but it is first hop w/it's 4th A65...as well as my first tailwheel flight in awhile...so it felt maiden enough to me. I tried to play w/editing software on my Vista..seems easy enough...what a blast. I felt like 16 again on first solo. I have 2 flts in it, then back on the road for a couple weeks. In HKG as I write this. My wife put it on "you-chube".. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFxpVnC4VqQ > > Larry > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353835#353835 > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:08:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Photo From: "kevinpurtee" Did a static display at our airport on Saturday. Guy with a 1929 MG brought it for a photo. do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353905#353905 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_picture_of_fbg_and_mg_108.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:24:53 AM PST US From: "Dave Abramson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Photo Hi Kevin! I am building one of those M-Type Mg's (that is a "Brooklands 12/12 replica" Mine is in boxes and was wondering if you can send that picture to my e-mail address? Would like it for reference!!!! Cheers! Dave davea@symbolicdisplays.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kevinpurtee Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:06 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Photo Did a static display at our airport on Saturday. Guy with a 1929 MG brought it for a photo. do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353905#353905 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_picture_of_fbg_and_mg_108.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:40:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo From: "K5YAC" Cool pic Kevin. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353911#353911 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:19 AM PST US From: "Bob edson" Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX53WE I think you will be able to see our piet,we have the tail feathers painted. Bob ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:59:49 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Photo Yeah, Kevin. Cool pic but TOO SMALL! How's a guy gonna make a wallpaper out of that? Stinemetze do not archive >>> "kevinpurtee" 10/3/2011 1:06 PM >>> Did a static display at our airport on Saturday. Guy with a 1929 MG brought it for a photo. do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:06:52 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Photo Hi Kevin, Looks good but wouldn't it be neat if you could pose in period clothes. Jim B. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:27 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX53WE Bob very nice colors and glossy too! What paint are you using? Whole Piet should be beautiful. Jim B. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:33:56 PM PST US From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: NX53WE Great colors and shine Bob....can't wait to see the whole plane. Brian SLC-UT Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob edson Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX53WE I think you will be able to see our piet,we have the tail feathers painted. Bob ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: NX53WE From: "K5YAC" Dang! I really like blue and yellow too! Although I've been forbidden to have any thoughts of color scheme, in the back of my mind those two colors are one of my favorite combinations. I saw a blue and yellow Culver Cadet on our field last year that I really liked... dropped everything just to watch it taxi, fuel and take back off. Oh well, you weren't the first and I won't be the last if I choose that combo. Looks really beautiful! Please tell us what you are using. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353927#353927 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:08:57 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo From: "kevinpurtee" I was in period clothes, Jim, but I wasn't in the picture. I was wearing an absolutely adorable, red-sequined, strapless, flapper dress with .... uh.... well.... uh.... never mind... (sorry) please do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353930#353930 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo From: "Bill Church" I assume you had a cream colored purse and shoes, to go with the red dress ... you know, to match the plane. BC do not archive this either Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353933#353933 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo From: "kevinpurtee" Ok. Let's see if I can attach a larger, but not too large version. Trying to keep Ryan from getting mad at me 'cause I can never remember the instructions for posting reasonably sized photos. do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353934#353934 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/medium_mg_150.jpg ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo From: "kevinpurtee" That's better. How'd you know, Bill? You weren't even there. again, do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353935#353935 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:32:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo From: "K5YAC" Bill was there, you just didn't recognize him because he was in drag too. I on the other hand was NOT there... just going on what I was told. Yep, that is a much better (and Mueller approved) photo. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353936#353936 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:34 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo And notice how the crowd is ignoring the fabulous MG and flocking to the Pietenpol... Greg Cardinal Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevinpurtee" Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 4:26 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo > > > Ok. Let's see if I can attach a larger, but not too large version. > Trying to keep Ryan from getting mad at me 'cause I can never remember the > instructions for posting reasonably sized photos. > > do not archive > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353934#353934 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/medium_mg_150.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:38 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo From: "Bill Church" Just a lucky assumption, based on my knowledge of your impeccable sense of fashion and style, Kevin. BC do not archive (again) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353941#353941 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:45 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo shoot, there for a minute I thought we were going to see Shelley in a really pretty dress. Jim B. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:57 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo Much better photo Kevin; cool looking car too. Jim B. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX53WE From: helspersew@aol.com I like it I like it!! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Bob edson Sent: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 1:49 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX53WE I think you will be able to see our piet,we have the tail feathers painted . Bob ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:26 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo The "it" boy of the skies! Ben On 10/3/2011 5:06 PM, kevinpurtee wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "kevinpurtee" > > I was in period clothes, Jim, but I wasn't in the picture. I was wearing an absolutely adorable, red-sequined, strapless, flapper dress with .... uh.... well.... uh.... never mind... > > (sorry) > > please do not archive > > -------- > Kevin"Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353930#353930 > > -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:07:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo From: "Jerry Dotson" Large pictures are easy to view. Just right click on the photo then left click view picture Cool picture too. When I saw the first pic my thought was the price of pixels must have gone sky high from the size of that one. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 now covering 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 Jay Anderson CloudCars prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353948#353948 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo From: "Piet2112" [quote="boyerjrb(at)comcast.net"]Hi Kevin, Looks good but wouldn't it be neat if you could pose in period clothes. Jim B. > [b] If Kevin were to pose, it should be in clothes, period. Curt Merdan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353966#353966 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the 1x1 for From: "PShipman" I know I am missing something very obvious ... but ... Unwrapping and inventorying the fuselage kit from Aircraft Spruce reveals 16 pieces of 1" x 1" x 25" ... AND ... 11 pieces of 1" x 1" x 37". Plus there is all the normal wood to build the "improved" 1932 design ... Are the extra pieces for building a stronger/heavier fuselage for a larger engine? An inquiring (and confused) mind wants to know :P -------- Perry Shipman Lakeside, CA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353977#353977 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the 1x1 for From: "K5YAC" Sounds like tail section parts. If AS&S hasn't changed the part list too much, the attached document should be helpful. I've copied the following text from a previous thread I posted a while back. ----- I know this wasn't requested, but with several new interested parties on the boards, I figured I'd offer a list that has been very helpful to me. This might be published elsewhere, but it was forwarded to me by someone here (probably Markle) and I reference it often when trying to decide which pieces to use for certain assemblies. The original list that I received was compiled by Bob McKinley. I think he must have been one of the Ohio guys as there was a Buckeye Piet sketch in the margin, but I'm not sure. Certainly someone here knows of him. The list I recieved was a scanned image of an old document that was typed up on a typewriter, and some of the notes were difficult to make out. If I had that file I would offer it too, but I'm afraid I've deleted it, or at least misplaced it among all my Pietenpol goodies. Anyhow, I used Bob's list to inventory my wood package when it was delivered. It was pretty close to right on... the spar thickness was different (3/4" instead of 1"), and Aircraft Spruce offered a couple of additional parts in the tail section (I've noted all of these on the new list), otherwise it is very handy in helping to sort out all the parts one might need to assemble this airplane, whether you choose to purchase a wood package or cut your own parts. All of Bob's notes are included in the notes section, but I've added a few of my own to this modern version too IN BOLD. I hope this helps some of you as much as it has helped me. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353979#353979 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/material_list_158.pdf ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the 1x1 for From: "K5YAC" Oh, now I see FUSELAGE kit... I was thinking that you received the entire package. I'm not sure what items are included in the wood package, but the list should be helpful none the less. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353980#353980 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the 1x1 for From: "PShipman" Mark ... thanks much for the list ... all of the fuselage items are there but in addition there are the short 1 x 1 pieces that I mentioned ... far more than called for ... Pretty sure these are not for the tail as the tail kit has the longer pieces mentioned in the list, not these short ones ... If nothing else ... we have some really nice extra wood! AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION :) ... the blueprints are not terrible clear on the wood/size to use to frame up the seats (other than the white ash pieces) ... can you give us an idea of what to use there? Thanks -------- Perry Shipman Lakeside, CA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353981#353981 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the 1x1 for From: "K5YAC" Can't help you there... I haven't built my seats yet and don't have my plans handy. Perhaps someone else will help. As for the plans not being terribly clear... it is surprising how much information is there... you may have to look in more than one place. I'm not saying that the dimension you are looking for IS there, but it wouldn't surprise me to find that other measurements might be interpolated to arrive a the one you are looking for. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353982#353982 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the 1x1 for From: Ryan Mueller Long day, don't care to sift through the plans for you....but I would say: if the plans don't see terribly clear....spend a little more time looking. Find sheets that might have related views....the information is there. Kinda like putting together a puzzle sometimes...and very satisfying when you see the big picture Ryan do not archive On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 11:25 PM, PShipman wrote: > > Mark ... thanks much for the list ... all of the fuselage items are there > but in addition there are the short 1 x 1 pieces that I mentioned ... far > more than called for ... > > Pretty sure these are not for the tail as the tail kit has the longer > pieces mentioned in the list, not these short ones ... > > If nothing else ... we have some really nice extra wood! > > AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION :) ... the blueprints are not terrible clear on the > wood/size to use to frame up the seats (other than the white ash pieces) ... > can you give us an idea of what to use there? > > Thanks > > -------- > Perry Shipman > Lakeside, CA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353981#353981 > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:54 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: More Pietenpol Roots in Oklahoma From: "K5YAC" I received a phone call earlier this evening from a girl named Angie Hyatt. My first thought was, "ok, what are you selling Angie?" After she introduced herself she went on to tell me that she lives in Owasso (a few miles from me and my project) and that someone had forwarded her a copy of my writing from the BPA Newsletter. Ok, now I'm listening! She said, "the man in the photo standing in front of the Scout is my Great Grandfather, Orrin Hoopman... do you know who he is?" I said, "well yes, I'm working on an airplane that he drew the plans for." She replied, "Oh? You are building a Pietenpol?" I explained that I am, hence the reason that I was involved with the newsletter. She didn't have a full copy of the newsletter, just the one page and she didn't seem to be fully aware of what BPA is. Anyhow, she went on to tell me that her Great Grandfather (Hoopman) used to fly 10718 to go visit his girlfriend. She said, "Most of my family is in Cherry Grove, Minnesota... my parents moved to Oklahoma with the Army just before I was born." Angie's mother, Cathy Ryan lives just a few miles away in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma... the same town where 10718 now resides... they are going to go see it tomorrow. Angie asked if she and her family could stop by to look at my project sometime since we are right down the road. Of course I obliged. She added that her Grandmother (Orrin Hoopman's daughter), Bernie Finke (wife of John Finke) would be here this winter for a visit and asked if she could bring her by to look as well. I told her I would fire up the heater. Angie went to Brodhead in 1999 with her family and she said they had a wonderful time, but she wasn't aware of the huge following for the design. I told her that there is still a great interest in building and flying this design, and that there is a fairly large group of people carrying on daily discussions and debates about the very plans her Great Grandfather drew up. Anyhow... I'm certainly no historian on all things Pietenpol, so we exchanged our information and agreed to get together this week to look things over. I did mention Chet Peek's book, "The Pietenpol Story"... she said that she has a copy, but has never read it. I said, "You should, your Great Grandfather and a man named Don Finke (maybe John's Dad?) are mentioned quite a bit." Very interesting and out of the blue phone call. This story is obviously still developing, so I'll post an update at a later time. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353984#353984 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the 1x1 fo From: "K5YAC" Perry, I see you have met Ryan, our resident "short fuse". LOL! But he is right, it is like a big puzzle. A LOT of things don't seem real evident at first glance, or even second or third for that matter, but it's all there. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353985#353985 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the 1x1 fo From: "PShipman" i must say that what is fun about this IS the big puzzle aspect of it! There was a comment made that there was really a lot of buried information in the plans, etc. Sure finding that to be true. Every time I read back over a sheet I see something new. Also reading the notes from the 1932 articles have a lot of insights. Must say that this project is like a great wife (I've been married to a great one for forty years ) ... every day this is something new to discover! -------- Perry Shipman Lakeside, CA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353986#353986 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.