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1. 04:12 AM - Re: More Pietenpol Roots in Oklahoma (Jack Phillips)
2. 05:15 AM - NX53WE (Bob edson)
3. 05:51 AM - Re: More Pietenpol Roots in Oklahoma (K5YAC)
4. 06:20 AM - Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the 1x1 for (Bill Church)
5. 07:30 AM - Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the 1x1 for (PShipman)
6. 07:47 AM - Re: NX53WE (TOM STINEMETZE)
7. 07:53 AM - Re: Photo (kevinpurtee)
8. 08:45 AM - Re: Re: Photo (Jim Boyer)
9. 09:23 AM - Re: Photo (Piet2112)
10. 09:24 AM - Re: NX53WE (Bill Church)
11. 09:35 AM - TheStewart System (helspersew@aol.com)
12. 09:38 AM - Re: NX53WE (TOM STINEMETZE)
13. 09:48 AM - Re: TheStewart System (kevinpurtee)
14. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: TheStewart System (shad bell)
15. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: TheStewart System (Jack)
16. 10:20 AM - Re: TheStewart System (Ryan Mueller)
17. 10:26 AM - Re: Re: TheStewart System (Gboothe5)
18. 11:14 AM - Re: TheStewart System (TOM STINEMETZE)
19. 11:18 AM - Re: Re: TheStewart System (TOM STINEMETZE)
20. 11:44 AM - Stewart's Systems requirements (TOM STINEMETZE)
21. 12:25 PM - Re: Re: TheStewart System (helspersew@aol.com)
22. 02:06 PM - Re: TheStewart System (Doug Dever)
23. 02:09 PM - Re: TheStewart System (Doug Dever)
24. 03:49 PM - Re: TheStewart System (helspersew@aol.com)
25. 03:53 PM - Re: TheStewart System (skellytown flyer)
26. 06:19 PM - Re: Re: TheStewart System (Charles Campbell)
27. 06:29 PM - Re: Re: TheStewart System (Doug Dever)
28. 07:47 PM - Re: Re: TheStewart System (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | More Pietenpol Roots in Oklahoma |
Very Cool, Mark! It's nice to be able to keep the history alive, isn't it?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: More Pietenpol Roots in Oklahoma
I received a phone call earlier this evening from a girl named Angie Hyatt.
My first thought was, "ok, what are you selling Angie?" After she
introduced herself she went on to tell me that she lives in Owasso (a few
miles from me and my project) and that someone had forwarded her a copy of
my writing from the BPA Newsletter. Ok, now I'm listening! She said, "the
man in the photo standing in front of the Scout is my Great Grandfather,
Orrin Hoopman... do you know who he is?" I said, "well yes, I'm working on
an airplane that he drew the plans for." She replied, "Oh? You are
building a Pietenpol?" I explained that I am, hence the reason that I was
involved with the newsletter. She didn't have a full copy of the
newsletter, just the one page and she didn't seem to be fully aware of what
BPA is.
Anyhow, she went on to tell me that her Great Grandfather (Hoopman) used to
fly 10718 to go visit his girlfriend. She said, "Most of my family is in
Cherry Grove, Minnesota... my parents moved to Oklahoma with the Army just
before I was born." Angie's mother, Cathy Ryan lives just a few miles away
in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma... the same town where 10718 now resides... they
are going to go see it tomorrow.
Angie asked if she and her family could stop by to look at my project
sometime since we are right down the road. Of course I obliged. She added
that her Grandmother (Orrin Hoopman's daughter), Bernie Finke (wife of John
Finke) would be here this winter for a visit and asked if she could bring
her by to look as well. I told her I would fire up the heater.
Angie went to Brodhead in 1999 with her family and she said they had a
wonderful time, but she wasn't aware of the huge following for the design.
I told her that there is still a great interest in building and flying this
design, and that there is a fairly large group of people carrying on daily
discussions and debates about the very plans her Great Grandfather drew up.
Anyhow... I'm certainly no historian on all things Pietenpol, so we
exchanged our information and agreed to get together this week to look
things over. I did mention Chet Peek's book, "The Pietenpol Story"... she
said that she has a copy, but has never read it. I said, "You should, your
Great Grandfather and a man named Don Finke (maybe John's Dad?) are
mentioned quite a bit."
Very interesting and out of the blue phone call. This story is obviously
still developing, so I'll post an update at a later time.
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In answer to what paint we are useing it is the stuart system. It as a
little pricey but it is water base with no odor and it is easy to work
with. It makes a good tough finish and is very elastic. I am enjoying
every minute of it. Have a great day, Bob
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| Subject: | Re: More Pietenpol Roots in Oklahoma |
Yes Jack, it is nice... and it makes the journey more interesting as well.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the |
1x1 for
Perry,
After reading your question I took a look at the Aircraft Spruce website to see
what exactly is included in the "Fuselage Kit", and all I could find was the
product number and a price. Same for the "Wing Kit". That seems odd for two items
totalling almost $1500. Funny thing is that the "Stab and Elevator Kit" and
the "Fin and Rudder Kit" each have a breakdown of the parts included in the
kits, whereas the larger kits have no breakdown. Until recently, Aircraft Spruce
offered only one wood kit for the Pietenpol, which was supposedly all of the
spruce needed to build the plane (minus the capstrips for the ribs, for some
reason). I believe that the wood kit was based on the sheet that Mark posted.
Not long ago, the individual kits were introduced, and the full kit was no longer
offered. On the Aircraft Spruce website there IS a disclaimer that says that
the kits are based on a list provided to them years ago, and may or may not
be correct, and that it is the buyer's responsibility to ensure that the materials
included in the kit are correct. That sounds like a good rule to follow
when buying ANYTHING, but I'm curious as to how one is to verify the sizes and
quantities if none are listed. In the case of the Plywood Kit, one really should
check carefully, since the "Plywood Kit" includes 10 sheets of plywood, and
there simply is not that much plywood required to build a Pietenpol (unless
you need to make everything THREE times instead of the normal two :) ).
So, to get back to your question... without knowing exactly what was included in
your "Fuselage Kit", it's hard to say what all the 1" x 1" would be for. I would
assume that Aircraft Spruce sent you a breakdown of all the items included
in your kit. If so, why don't you scan a copy (or take a photo) and post it
here so that we can see exactly what you got. If the "extra" wood really is extra,
the question is "Did you pay for the extra wood, or was it a bonus?". If
it is extra (as in "not required"), and you did pay for it, then why is it part
of the kit?
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the |
1x1 for
Bill,
Thanks for the note back! I appreciate comments on the AS changes over the years.
Do note that the "complete kit" is still available in the catalog ... would have
been much more interesting if we'd seen it earlier in the process.
As far as the manifest ... it clearly lists 1 fuselage kit ... with absolutely
no breakdown of items ... this is probably why I've always ended up broke ...
never check those things.
Anyway ... life is a great puzzle and that is why it is so much fun!
Perry
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Lakeside, CA
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Bob:
Question on the Stewart system of paints. I was under the impression that
the Stuart system was water based up to the point where color was added.
Then it became full hazmat suit and make up air required. If this
impression is wrong I would really like to know about it.
Thanks,
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
>>> "Bob edson" <robertse@centurytel.net> 10/4/2011 7:12 AM >>>
In answer to what paint we are useing it is the stuart system. It as a
little pricey but it is water base with no odor and it is easy to work
with. It makes a good tough finish and is very elastic. I am enjoying
every minute of it. Have a great day, Bob
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you too, Curt???
But you're right. I should never be seen unclothed.
@Ben - Nice shot!
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boy talk about a tough crowd!
Jim B.
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kevinpurtee wrote:
> you too, Curt???
>
> But you're right. I should never be seen unclothed.
>
> @Ben - Nice shot!
>
> do not archive.
Kevin, I totally agree!
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Tom,
Check out Stewart's website for more info. Their coatings are water-borne, so there
are no hazardous solvents. I don't think there's any need for a haz-mat suit.
http://www.stewartsystems.aero/benefits.aspx
Bill C.
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| Subject: | TheStewart System |
Hi Tom,
The Stewart System color coats are really neat. There is the color part, th
e hardener part, and added to that is water. At that point it starts the cu
ring process, and I found that the available spray time (if I remember righ
t) is about 45 minutes. A spray suit is recommended, because the overspray
is sticky. Outside air supply is not needed, only the same canister-type re
spirator that is used for spraying the primer coats. After spraying, everyt
hing is cleaned up with warm water. I found it to be very easy to work with
. I don't understand the chemistry, but the end result (I think this is the
claim of the Stewarts) is a true polyurethane. My finish was not as glossy
, because of my lowsy equipment and skill level.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
Sent: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 9:47 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX53WE
Bob:
Question on the Stewart system of paints. I was under the impression that
the Stuart system was water based up to the point where color was added. T
hen it became full hazmat suit and make up air required. If this impressio
n is wrong I would really like to know about it.
Thanks,
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
>>> "Bob edson" <robertse@centurytel.net> 10/4/2011 7:12 AM >>>
In answer to what paint we are useing it is the stuart system. It as a litt
le pricey but it is water base with no odor and it is easy to work with. It
makes a good tough finish and is very elastic. I am enjoying every minute
of it. Have a great day, Bob
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Thanks Bill. I am very interrested in this system.
Tom
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>>> "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca> 10/4/2011 11:21 AM >>>
>
Tom,
Check out Stewart's website for more info. Their coatings are water-borne,
so there are no hazardous solvents. I don't think there's any need for a
haz-mat suit.
http://www.stewartsystems.aero/benefits.aspx
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: TheStewart System |
I dunno, Dan. I don't recall you saying anything about "glossy" in the Lost Papers.
Not sure it's an issue.
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| Subject: | Re: TheStewart System |
Check out Randy Bush's piet, he used Stewarts Paint.- Just talked to him
a few weeks ago about it.- It is high gloss, similar to the aerothane loo
k.- He said it took some getting used to for his spray, thinning techniqu
e.- Still need a charcol resporator.- Only diffrence is Stewarts is WAT
ERBORN polyurethane-not solevent based.- It uses diluted water for thin
ner, not mek or other solevents.-- Randy could be of much more info I a
m sure.-
--- On Tue, 10/4/11, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System
il>
I dunno, Dan.- I don't recall you saying anything about "glossy" in the L
ost Papers.- Not sure it's an issue.
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| Subject: | Re: TheStewart System |
Shad,
I'm close to covering and seriously considering Latex with (I believe
Polytak) to adhere the fabric.
Jack
DSM
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System
Check out Randy Bush's piet, he used Stewarts Paint. Just talked to him a
few weeks ago about it. It is high gloss, similar to the aerothane look.
He said it took some getting used to for his spray, thinning technique.
Still need a charcol resporator. Only diffrence is Stewarts is WATERBORN
polyurethane not solevent based. It uses diluted water for thinner, not mek
or other solevents. Randy could be of much more info I am sure.
--- On Tue, 10/4/11, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil
<http://us.mc657.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> >
I dunno, Dan. I don't recall you saying anything about "glossy" in the Lost
Papers. Not sure it's an issue.
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| Subject: | Re: TheStewart System |
And despite the self-deprecation, it still looks beautiful. I'm sure there
will be at least one Piet at Brodhead next year that will copy that good
looking color scheme....
Ryan
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On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:32 AM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> The Stewart System color coats are really neat. There is the color part,
> the hardener part, and added to that is water. At that point it starts the
> curing process, and I found that the available spray time (if I remember
> right) is about 45 minutes. A spray suit is recommended, because the
> overspray is sticky. Outside air supply is not needed, only the same
> canister-type respirator that is used for spraying the primer coats. After
> spraying, everything is cleaned up with warm water. I found it to be very
> easy to work with. I don't understand the chemistry, but the end result (I
> think this is the claim of the Stewarts) is a true polyurethane. My finish
> was not as glossy, because of my lowsy equipment and skill level.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 9:47 am
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX53WE
>
> *Bob:*
> **
> *Question on the Stewart system of paints. I was under the impression
> that the Stuart system was water based up to the point where color was
> added. Then it became full hazmat suit and make up air required. If this
> impression is wrong I would really like to know about it.*
> **
> *Thanks,*
> *Tom Stinemetze*
> *N328X*
>
>
> >>> "Bob edson" <robertse@centurytel.net> 10/4/2011 7:12 AM >>>
> In answer to what paint we are useing it is the stuart system. It as a
> little pricey but it is water base with no odor and it is easy to work with.
> It makes a good tough finish and is very elastic. I am enjoying every minute
> of it. Have a great day, Bob
>
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| Subject: | Re: TheStewart System |
Jack,
I'm doing something similar, only with Stewart's EcoBond, with Benjamin
Moore zero VOC Aura brand paint. Sample looks good, and some parts are
primed, but I'm not far enough down the road to say more. I do like the
EcoBond.
Gary
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Shad,
I'm close to covering and seriously considering Latex with (I believe
Polytak) to adhere the fabric.
Jack
DSM
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Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System
Check out Randy Bush's piet, he used Stewarts Paint. Just talked to him a
few weeks ago about it. It is high gloss, similar to the aerothane look.
He said it took some getting used to for his spray, thinning technique.
Still need a charcol resporator. Only diffrence is Stewarts is WATERBORN
polyurethane not solevent based. It uses diluted water for thinner, not mek
or other solevents. Randy could be of much more info I am sure.
--- On Tue, 10/4/11, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil
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I dunno, Dan. I don't recall you saying anything about "glossy" in the Lost
Papers. Not sure it's an issue.
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| Subject: | Re: TheStewart System |
Dan:
Thanks for that reply. I have an e-mail in to the Stewart's folks with
the same question and I hope I get the same answer. I will post their
reply to the list when I receive it. Anyway, I got the information that
the color coat required a full respirator from the teacher at an EAA
Sportair Workshop on fabric covering. She is a professional aircraft
painter so I gave her input serious weight. However, I will also state
that the PolyFiber folks provided all of the materials used in the
workshop so there may have been some bias sneak in - not necessarily
intentional. Considering the potential health effects, I believe it is
good to have the right dope on this (so to speak.)
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
McPherson, Ks.
>>> <helspersew@aol.com> 10/4/2011 11:32 AM >>>
Hi Tom,
The Stewart System color coats are really neat. There is the color part,
the hardener part, and added to that is water. At that point it starts the
curing process, and I found that the available spray time (if I remember
right) is about 45 minutes. A spray suit is recommended, because the
overspray is sticky. Outside air supply is not needed, only the same
canister-type respirator that is used for spraying the primer coats. After
spraying, everything is cleaned up with warm water. I found it to be very
easy to work with. I don't understand the chemistry, but the end result (I
think this is the claim of the Stewarts) is a true polyurethane. My finish
was not as glossy, because of my lowsy equipment and skill level.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Jack:
I suspect you meant Poly Brush as Polytak is a very fast drying
substance used to glue the fabric down. We were only allowed to put
about 12" at a time down in class in order to get the fabric to soak it
up prior to getting too tacky.
Stinemetze
>>> "Jack" <jack@textors.com> 10/4/2011 12:13 PM >>>
Shad,
Im close to covering and seriously considering Latex with (I believe
Polytak) to adhere the fabric.
Jack
DSM
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As promised, here is the reply from the Stewart's Systems representative.
Tom
When shooting our EkoPoly catalyzed top coat all you need is a charcoal
respirator. No need for fresh air.
Regards,
Jason Gerard
Stewart Systems
1-888-356-7659
www.stewartsystems.aero
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Actually, its a darn good thing I am so lousy at paining. My finish came ou
t within original design parameters= Dull
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Sent: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 11:48 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System
il>
I dunno, Dan. I don't recall you saying anything about "glossy" in the Los
t
apers. Not sure it's an issue.
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You are correct Dan.- It is a true urethane.- The one part stuff you bu
y for wood etc. is not.- I'm not sure of the catalyst.- In solvent base
d it's an isocyanate, which is a known carcinogen. (Reason for the suit as
it is absorbed through the skin and especially mucus membranes)- I am ver
y skeptical of water based paints.- They have not been able to come up wi
th a durable one in the automotive industry yet.- Time will tell.=0A-
=0ABTW- I thought your finish was much better than acceptable.- At least
in the pics:)=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "helspersew@
aol.com" <helspersew@aol.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tu
esday, October 4, 2011 12:32 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: TheStewart Syste
m=0A=0A=0AHi Tom,=0A=0AThe Stewart System color coats are really neat. Ther
e is the color part, the hardener part, and added to that is water. At that
point it starts the curing process, and I found that the available spray t
ime (if I remember right) is about 45 minutes. A spray suit is recommended,
because the overspray is sticky. Outside air supply is not needed, only th
e same canister-type respirator that is used for spraying the primer coats.
After spraying, everything is cleaned up with warm water. I found it to be
very easy to work with. I don't understand the chemistry, but the end resu
lt (I think this is the claim of the Stewarts) is a true polyurethane. My f
inish was not as glossy, because of my lowsy equipment and skill level. =0A
=0ADan Helsper=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A-=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFro
m: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@m
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t: NX53WE=0A=0A=0ABob:=0A-=0AQuestion on the Stewart system of paints.-
I was under the impression that the Stuart system was water based up to th
e point where color was added.- Then it became full hazmat suit and make
up air required.- If this impression is wrong I would really like to know
about it.=0A-=0AThanks,=0ATom Stinemetze=0AN328X=0A=0A=0A>>> "Bob edson"
<robertse@centurytel.net> 10/4/2011 7:12 AM >>>=0A=0AIn answer to what pai
nt we are useing it is the stuart system. It as a little pricey but it is w
ater base with no odor and it is easy to work with. It makes a good tough f
inish and is very elastic. I am enjoying every minute of it.--- Have
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It's not the solvents in the solvent based urethanes that are nasty. (provi
ded you use an approved respirator with adiquate ventalation.)- It's the
isocyanate catalyst.- Nasty, nasty.=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________________
______=0AFrom: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matro
nics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 2:11 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-
List: TheStewart System=0A=0A=0ADan:=0A-=0AThanks for that reply.- I ha
ve an e-mail in to the Stewart's folks with the same question and I hope I
get the same answer.- I will post their reply to the list when I receive
it.- Anyway, I got the information that the color coat required a full re
spirator from the teacher at an EAA Sportair Workshop on fabric covering.
- She is a professional aircraft painter so I gave her input serious weig
ht.- However, I will also state that the PolyFiber folks provided all of
the materials used in the workshop so there may have been some bias sneak i
n - not necessarily intentional.- Considering the potential health effect
s, I believe it is good to have the right dope on this-(so to speak.)=0A
-=0ATom Stinemetze=0AN328X=0AMcPherson, Ks.=0A=0A=0A>>> <helspersew@aol.c
om> 10/4/2011 11:32 AM >>>=0AHi Tom,=0A=0AThe Stewart System color coats ar
e really neat. There is the color part, the hardener part, and added to tha
t is water. At that point it starts the curing process, and I found that th
e available spray time (if I remember right) is about 45 minutes. A spray s
uit is recommended, because the overspray is sticky. Outside air supply is
not needed, only the same canister-type respirator that is used for sprayin
g the primer coats. After spraying, everything is cleaned up with warm wate
r. I found it to be very easy to work with. I don't understand the chemistr
y, but the end result (I think this is the claim of the Stewarts) is a true
polyurethane. My finish was not as glossy, because of my lowsy equipment a
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And speaking of the devil, I heard from Gene Rambo the other day. He has re
vealed to me the name he has chosen for his Piet. It will be dubbed "CopyT"
, in obvious reference to his blatant replication of my paint scheme. This
catchy logo will be painted on the black engine cowl.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 12:20 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TheStewart System
And despite the self-deprecation, it still looks beautiful. I'm sure there
will be at least one Piet at Brodhead next year that will copy that good lo
oking color scheme....
Ryan
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On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:32 AM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
Hi Tom,
The Stewart System color coats are really neat. There is the color part, th
e hardener part, and added to that is water. At that point it starts the cu
ring process, and I found that the available spray time (if I remember righ
t) is about 45 minutes. A spray suit is recommended, because the overspray
is sticky. Outside air supply is not needed, only the same canister-type re
spirator that is used for spraying the primer coats. After spraying, everyt
hing is cleaned up with warm water. I found it to be very easy to work with
. I don't understand the chemistry, but the end result (I think this is the
claim of the Stewarts) is a true polyurethane. My finish was not as glossy
, because of my lowsy equipment and skill level.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
Sent: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 9:47 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX53WE
Bob:
Question on the Stewart system of paints. I was under the impression that
the Stuart system was water based up to the point where color was added. T
hen it became full hazmat suit and make up air required. If this impressio
n is wrong I would really like to know about it.
Thanks,
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
>>> "Bob edson" <robertse@centurytel.net> 10/4/2011 7:12 AM >>>
In answer to what paint we are useing it is the stuart system. It as a litt
le pricey but it is water base with no odor and it is easy to work with. It
makes a good tough finish and is very elastic. I am enjoying every minute
of it. Have a great day, Bob
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I've seen some pretty finishes from that stuff but I'm still trying to figure out
where you buy that diluted water? :
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I thought the same thing! C
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Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 6:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System
> <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
>
> I've seen some pretty finishes from that stuff but I'm still trying to
> figure out where you buy that diluted water? :
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I think he meant distilled:)=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A
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cs.com=0ASent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 6:51 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List:
n flyer" <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>=0A=0AI've seen some pretty finishes from t
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I didn't know they made surgical gloves that big!
Clif
Shad,
I'm close to covering and seriously considering Latex
Jack
DSM
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