---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/04/11: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:12 AM - Re: More Pietenpol Roots in Oklahoma (Jack Phillips) 2. 05:15 AM - NX53WE (Bob edson) 3. 05:51 AM - Re: More Pietenpol Roots in Oklahoma (K5YAC) 4. 06:20 AM - Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the 1x1 for (Bill Church) 5. 07:30 AM - Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the 1x1 for (PShipman) 6. 07:47 AM - Re: NX53WE (TOM STINEMETZE) 7. 07:53 AM - Re: Photo (kevinpurtee) 8. 08:45 AM - Re: Re: Photo (Jim Boyer) 9. 09:23 AM - Re: Photo (Piet2112) 10. 09:24 AM - Re: NX53WE (Bill Church) 11. 09:35 AM - TheStewart System (helspersew@aol.com) 12. 09:38 AM - Re: NX53WE (TOM STINEMETZE) 13. 09:48 AM - Re: TheStewart System (kevinpurtee) 14. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: TheStewart System (shad bell) 15. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: TheStewart System (Jack) 16. 10:20 AM - Re: TheStewart System (Ryan Mueller) 17. 10:26 AM - Re: Re: TheStewart System (Gboothe5) 18. 11:14 AM - Re: TheStewart System (TOM STINEMETZE) 19. 11:18 AM - Re: Re: TheStewart System (TOM STINEMETZE) 20. 11:44 AM - Stewart's Systems requirements (TOM STINEMETZE) 21. 12:25 PM - Re: Re: TheStewart System (helspersew@aol.com) 22. 02:06 PM - Re: TheStewart System (Doug Dever) 23. 02:09 PM - Re: TheStewart System (Doug Dever) 24. 03:49 PM - Re: TheStewart System (helspersew@aol.com) 25. 03:53 PM - Re: TheStewart System (skellytown flyer) 26. 06:19 PM - Re: Re: TheStewart System (Charles Campbell) 27. 06:29 PM - Re: Re: TheStewart System (Doug Dever) 28. 07:47 PM - Re: Re: TheStewart System (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:12:36 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: More Pietenpol Roots in Oklahoma Very Cool, Mark! It's nice to be able to keep the history alive, isn't it? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:07 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: More Pietenpol Roots in Oklahoma I received a phone call earlier this evening from a girl named Angie Hyatt. My first thought was, "ok, what are you selling Angie?" After she introduced herself she went on to tell me that she lives in Owasso (a few miles from me and my project) and that someone had forwarded her a copy of my writing from the BPA Newsletter. Ok, now I'm listening! She said, "the man in the photo standing in front of the Scout is my Great Grandfather, Orrin Hoopman... do you know who he is?" I said, "well yes, I'm working on an airplane that he drew the plans for." She replied, "Oh? You are building a Pietenpol?" I explained that I am, hence the reason that I was involved with the newsletter. She didn't have a full copy of the newsletter, just the one page and she didn't seem to be fully aware of what BPA is. Anyhow, she went on to tell me that her Great Grandfather (Hoopman) used to fly 10718 to go visit his girlfriend. She said, "Most of my family is in Cherry Grove, Minnesota... my parents moved to Oklahoma with the Army just before I was born." Angie's mother, Cathy Ryan lives just a few miles away in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma... the same town where 10718 now resides... they are going to go see it tomorrow. Angie asked if she and her family could stop by to look at my project sometime since we are right down the road. Of course I obliged. She added that her Grandmother (Orrin Hoopman's daughter), Bernie Finke (wife of John Finke) would be here this winter for a visit and asked if she could bring her by to look as well. I told her I would fire up the heater. Angie went to Brodhead in 1999 with her family and she said they had a wonderful time, but she wasn't aware of the huge following for the design. I told her that there is still a great interest in building and flying this design, and that there is a fairly large group of people carrying on daily discussions and debates about the very plans her Great Grandfather drew up. Anyhow... I'm certainly no historian on all things Pietenpol, so we exchanged our information and agreed to get together this week to look things over. I did mention Chet Peek's book, "The Pietenpol Story"... she said that she has a copy, but has never read it. I said, "You should, your Great Grandfather and a man named Don Finke (maybe John's Dad?) are mentioned quite a bit." Very interesting and out of the blue phone call. This story is obviously still developing, so I'll post an update at a later time. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353984#353984 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:10 AM PST US From: "Bob edson" Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX53WE In answer to what paint we are useing it is the stuart system. It as a little pricey but it is water base with no odor and it is easy to work with. It makes a good tough finish and is very elastic. I am enjoying every minute of it. Have a great day, Bob ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More Pietenpol Roots in Oklahoma From: "K5YAC" Yes Jack, it is nice... and it makes the journey more interesting as well. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353997#353997 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the 1x1 for From: "Bill Church" Perry, After reading your question I took a look at the Aircraft Spruce website to see what exactly is included in the "Fuselage Kit", and all I could find was the product number and a price. Same for the "Wing Kit". That seems odd for two items totalling almost $1500. Funny thing is that the "Stab and Elevator Kit" and the "Fin and Rudder Kit" each have a breakdown of the parts included in the kits, whereas the larger kits have no breakdown. Until recently, Aircraft Spruce offered only one wood kit for the Pietenpol, which was supposedly all of the spruce needed to build the plane (minus the capstrips for the ribs, for some reason). I believe that the wood kit was based on the sheet that Mark posted. Not long ago, the individual kits were introduced, and the full kit was no longer offered. On the Aircraft Spruce website there IS a disclaimer that says that the kits are based on a list provided to them years ago, and may or may not be correct, and that it is the buyer's responsibility to ensure that the materials included in the kit are correct. That sounds like a good rule to follow when buying ANYTHING, but I'm curious as to how one is to verify the sizes and quantities if none are listed. In the case of the Plywood Kit, one really should check carefully, since the "Plywood Kit" includes 10 sheets of plywood, and there simply is not that much plywood required to build a Pietenpol (unless you need to make everything THREE times instead of the normal two :) ). So, to get back to your question... without knowing exactly what was included in your "Fuselage Kit", it's hard to say what all the 1" x 1" would be for. I would assume that Aircraft Spruce sent you a breakdown of all the items included in your kit. If so, why don't you scan a copy (or take a photo) and post it here so that we can see exactly what you got. If the "extra" wood really is extra, the question is "Did you pay for the extra wood, or was it a bonus?". If it is extra (as in "not required"), and you did pay for it, then why is it part of the kit? Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353998#353998 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Kit from Aircraft Spruce ... what's all the 1x1 for From: "PShipman" Bill, Thanks for the note back! I appreciate comments on the AS changes over the years. Do note that the "complete kit" is still available in the catalog ... would have been much more interesting if we'd seen it earlier in the process. As far as the manifest ... it clearly lists 1 fuselage kit ... with absolutely no breakdown of items ... this is probably why I've always ended up broke ... never check those things. Anyway ... life is a great puzzle and that is why it is so much fun! Perry -------- Perry Shipman Lakeside, CA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354001#354001 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:04 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX53WE Bob: Question on the Stewart system of paints. I was under the impression that the Stuart system was water based up to the point where color was added. Then it became full hazmat suit and make up air required. If this impression is wrong I would really like to know about it. Thanks, Tom Stinemetze N328X >>> "Bob edson" 10/4/2011 7:12 AM >>> In answer to what paint we are useing it is the stuart system. It as a little pricey but it is water base with no odor and it is easy to work with. It makes a good tough finish and is very elastic. I am enjoying every minute of it. Have a great day, Bob ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo From: "kevinpurtee" you too, Curt??? But you're right. I should never be seen unclothed. @Ben - Nice shot! do not archive. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354007#354007 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:14 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo boy talk about a tough crowd! Jim B. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo From: "Piet2112" kevinpurtee wrote: > you too, Curt??? > > But you're right. I should never be seen unclothed. > > @Ben - Nice shot! > > do not archive. Kevin, I totally agree! do not archive. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354024#354024 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: NX53WE From: "Bill Church" Tom, Check out Stewart's website for more info. Their coatings are water-borne, so there are no hazardous solvents. I don't think there's any need for a haz-mat suit. http://www.stewartsystems.aero/benefits.aspx Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354025#354025 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: TheStewart System From: helspersew@aol.com Hi Tom, The Stewart System color coats are really neat. There is the color part, th e hardener part, and added to that is water. At that point it starts the cu ring process, and I found that the available spray time (if I remember righ t) is about 45 minutes. A spray suit is recommended, because the overspray is sticky. Outside air supply is not needed, only the same canister-type re spirator that is used for spraying the primer coats. After spraying, everyt hing is cleaned up with warm water. I found it to be very easy to work with . I don't understand the chemistry, but the end result (I think this is the claim of the Stewarts) is a true polyurethane. My finish was not as glossy , because of my lowsy equipment and skill level. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 9:47 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX53WE Bob: Question on the Stewart system of paints. I was under the impression that the Stuart system was water based up to the point where color was added. T hen it became full hazmat suit and make up air required. If this impressio n is wrong I would really like to know about it. Thanks, Tom Stinemetze N328X >>> "Bob edson" 10/4/2011 7:12 AM >>> In answer to what paint we are useing it is the stuart system. It as a litt le pricey but it is water base with no odor and it is easy to work with. It makes a good tough finish and is very elastic. I am enjoying every minute of it. Have a great day, Bob -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:02 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: NX53WE Thanks Bill. I am very interrested in this system. Tom do not archive >>> "Bill Church" 10/4/2011 11:21 AM >>> > Tom, Check out Stewart's website for more info. Their coatings are water-borne, so there are no hazardous solvents. I don't think there's any need for a haz-mat suit. http://www.stewartsystems.aero/benefits.aspx Bill C. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System From: "kevinpurtee" I dunno, Dan. I don't recall you saying anything about "glossy" in the Lost Papers. Not sure it's an issue. do not archive. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354030#354030 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:59 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System Check out Randy Bush's piet, he used Stewarts Paint.- Just talked to him a few weeks ago about it.- It is high gloss, similar to the aerothane loo k.- He said it took some getting used to for his spray, thinning techniqu e.- Still need a charcol resporator.- Only diffrence is Stewarts is WAT ERBORN polyurethane-not solevent based.- It uses diluted water for thin ner, not mek or other solevents.-- Randy could be of much more info I a m sure.- --- On Tue, 10/4/11, kevinpurtee wrote: From: kevinpurtee Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System il> I dunno, Dan.- I don't recall you saying anything about "glossy" in the L ost Papers.- Not sure it's an issue. do not archive. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354030#354030 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:48 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System Shad, I'm close to covering and seriously considering Latex with (I believe Polytak) to adhere the fabric. Jack DSM _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 12:02 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System Check out Randy Bush's piet, he used Stewarts Paint. Just talked to him a few weeks ago about it. It is high gloss, similar to the aerothane look. He said it took some getting used to for his spray, thinning technique. Still need a charcol resporator. Only diffrence is Stewarts is WATERBORN polyurethane not solevent based. It uses diluted water for thinner, not mek or other solevents. Randy could be of much more info I am sure. --- On Tue, 10/4/11, kevinpurtee wrote: From: kevinpurtee Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System > I dunno, Dan. I don't recall you saying anything about "glossy" in the Lost Papers. Not sure it's an issue. do not archive. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=-= the many List utilities such as List sp; --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ht= -Matt .matronics.com/contribution" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contr=============== ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TheStewart System From: Ryan Mueller And despite the self-deprecation, it still looks beautiful. I'm sure there will be at least one Piet at Brodhead next year that will copy that good looking color scheme.... Ryan do not archive On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:32 AM, wrote: > Hi Tom, > > The Stewart System color coats are really neat. There is the color part, > the hardener part, and added to that is water. At that point it starts the > curing process, and I found that the available spray time (if I remember > right) is about 45 minutes. A spray suit is recommended, because the > overspray is sticky. Outside air supply is not needed, only the same > canister-type respirator that is used for spraying the primer coats. After > spraying, everything is cleaned up with warm water. I found it to be very > easy to work with. I don't understand the chemistry, but the end result (I > think this is the claim of the Stewarts) is a true polyurethane. My finish > was not as glossy, because of my lowsy equipment and skill level. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TOM STINEMETZE > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 9:47 am > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX53WE > > *Bob:* > ** > *Question on the Stewart system of paints. I was under the impression > that the Stuart system was water based up to the point where color was > added. Then it became full hazmat suit and make up air required. If this > impression is wrong I would really like to know about it.* > ** > *Thanks,* > *Tom Stinemetze* > *N328X* > > > >>> "Bob edson" 10/4/2011 7:12 AM >>> > In answer to what paint we are useing it is the stuart system. It as a > little pricey but it is water base with no odor and it is easy to work with. > It makes a good tough finish and is very elastic. I am enjoying every minute > of it. Have a great day, Bob > > * > > " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > p://forums.matronics.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:59 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System Jack, I'm doing something similar, only with Stewart's EcoBond, with Benjamin Moore zero VOC Aura brand paint. Sample looks good, and some parts are primed, but I'm not far enough down the road to say more. I do like the EcoBond. Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:13 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System Shad, I'm close to covering and seriously considering Latex with (I believe Polytak) to adhere the fabric. Jack DSM _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 12:02 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System Check out Randy Bush's piet, he used Stewarts Paint. Just talked to him a few weeks ago about it. It is high gloss, similar to the aerothane look. He said it took some getting used to for his spray, thinning technique. Still need a charcol resporator. Only diffrence is Stewarts is WATERBORN polyurethane not solevent based. It uses diluted water for thinner, not mek or other solevents. Randy could be of much more info I am sure. --- On Tue, 10/4/11, kevinpurtee wrote: From: kevinpurtee Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System > I dunno, Dan. I don't recall you saying anything about "glossy" in the Lost Papers. Not sure it's an issue. do not archive. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=-= the many List utilities such as List sp; --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ht= -Matt .matronics.com/contribution" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contr=============== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:20 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TheStewart System Dan: Thanks for that reply. I have an e-mail in to the Stewart's folks with the same question and I hope I get the same answer. I will post their reply to the list when I receive it. Anyway, I got the information that the color coat required a full respirator from the teacher at an EAA Sportair Workshop on fabric covering. She is a professional aircraft painter so I gave her input serious weight. However, I will also state that the PolyFiber folks provided all of the materials used in the workshop so there may have been some bias sneak in - not necessarily intentional. Considering the potential health effects, I believe it is good to have the right dope on this (so to speak.) Tom Stinemetze N328X McPherson, Ks. >>> 10/4/2011 11:32 AM >>> Hi Tom, The Stewart System color coats are really neat. There is the color part, the hardener part, and added to that is water. At that point it starts the curing process, and I found that the available spray time (if I remember right) is about 45 minutes. A spray suit is recommended, because the overspray is sticky. Outside air supply is not needed, only the same canister-type respirator that is used for spraying the primer coats. After spraying, everything is cleaned up with warm water. I found it to be very easy to work with. I don't understand the chemistry, but the end result (I think this is the claim of the Stewarts) is a true polyurethane. My finish was not as glossy, because of my lowsy equipment and skill level. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:48 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System Jack: I suspect you meant Poly Brush as Polytak is a very fast drying substance used to glue the fabric down. We were only allowed to put about 12" at a time down in class in order to get the fabric to soak it up prior to getting too tacky. Stinemetze >>> "Jack" 10/4/2011 12:13 PM >>> Shad, Im close to covering and seriously considering Latex with (I believe Polytak) to adhere the fabric. Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:01 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stewart's Systems requirements As promised, here is the reply from the Stewart's Systems representative. Tom When shooting our EkoPoly catalyzed top coat all you need is a charcoal respirator. No need for fresh air. Regards, Jason Gerard Stewart Systems 1-888-356-7659 www.stewartsystems.aero ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:25:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System From: helspersew@aol.com Actually, its a darn good thing I am so lousy at paining. My finish came ou t within original design parameters= Dull Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive -----Original Message----- From: kevinpurtee Sent: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 11:48 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System il> I dunno, Dan. I don't recall you saying anything about "glossy" in the Los t apers. Not sure it's an issue. do not archive. -------- evin "Axel" Purtee X899KP ustin/Georgetown, TX ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354030#354030 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:45 PM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TheStewart System You are correct Dan.- It is a true urethane.- The one part stuff you bu y for wood etc. is not.- I'm not sure of the catalyst.- In solvent base d it's an isocyanate, which is a known carcinogen. (Reason for the suit as it is absorbed through the skin and especially mucus membranes)- I am ver y skeptical of water based paints.- They have not been able to come up wi th a durable one in the automotive industry yet.- Time will tell.=0A- =0ABTW- I thought your finish was much better than acceptable.- At least in the pics:)=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "helspersew@ aol.com" =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tu esday, October 4, 2011 12:32 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: TheStewart Syste m=0A=0A=0AHi Tom,=0A=0AThe Stewart System color coats are really neat. Ther e is the color part, the hardener part, and added to that is water. At that point it starts the curing process, and I found that the available spray t ime (if I remember right) is about 45 minutes. A spray suit is recommended, because the overspray is sticky. Outside air supply is not needed, only th e same canister-type respirator that is used for spraying the primer coats. After spraying, everything is cleaned up with warm water. I found it to be very easy to work with. I don't understand the chemistry, but the end resu lt (I think this is the claim of the Stewarts) is a true polyurethane. My f inish was not as glossy, because of my lowsy equipment and skill level. =0A =0ADan Helsper=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A-=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFro m: TOM STINEMETZE =0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 9:47 am=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-Lis t: NX53WE=0A=0A=0ABob:=0A-=0AQuestion on the Stewart system of paints.- I was under the impression that the Stuart system was water based up to th e point where color was added.- Then it became full hazmat suit and make up air required.- If this impression is wrong I would really like to know about it.=0A-=0AThanks,=0ATom Stinemetze=0AN328X=0A=0A=0A>>> "Bob edson" 10/4/2011 7:12 AM >>>=0A=0AIn answer to what pai nt we are useing it is the stuart system. It as a little pricey but it is w ater base with no odor and it is easy to work with. It makes a good tough f inish and is very elastic. I am enjoying every minute of it.--- Have a great day,-- Bob=0A" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigat or?Pietenpol-Listp://forums.matronics.comblank>http://www.matronics.c ======================= ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:09:33 PM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TheStewart System It's not the solvents in the solvent based urethanes that are nasty. (provi ded you use an approved respirator with adiquate ventalation.)- It's the isocyanate catalyst.- Nasty, nasty.=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________________ ______=0AFrom: TOM STINEMETZE =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matro nics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 2:11 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol- List: TheStewart System=0A=0A=0ADan:=0A-=0AThanks for that reply.- I ha ve an e-mail in to the Stewart's folks with the same question and I hope I get the same answer.- I will post their reply to the list when I receive it.- Anyway, I got the information that the color coat required a full re spirator from the teacher at an EAA Sportair Workshop on fabric covering. - She is a professional aircraft painter so I gave her input serious weig ht.- However, I will also state that the PolyFiber folks provided all of the materials used in the workshop so there may have been some bias sneak i n - not necessarily intentional.- Considering the potential health effect s, I believe it is good to have the right dope on this-(so to speak.)=0A -=0ATom Stinemetze=0AN328X=0AMcPherson, Ks.=0A=0A=0A>>> 10/4/2011 11:32 AM >>>=0AHi Tom,=0A=0AThe Stewart System color coats ar e really neat. There is the color part, the hardener part, and added to tha t is water. At that point it starts the curing process, and I found that th e available spray time (if I remember right) is about 45 minutes. A spray s uit is recommended, because the overspray is sticky. Outside air supply is not needed, only the same canister-type respirator that is used for sprayin g the primer coats. After spraying, everything is cleaned up with warm wate r. I found it to be very easy to work with. I don't understand the chemistr y, but the end result (I think this is the claim of the Stewarts) is a true polyurethane. My finish was not as glossy, because of my lowsy equipment a ========= ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TheStewart System From: helspersew@aol.com And speaking of the devil, I heard from Gene Rambo the other day. He has re vealed to me the name he has chosen for his Piet. It will be dubbed "CopyT" , in obvious reference to his blatant replication of my paint scheme. This catchy logo will be painted on the black engine cowl. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Mueller Sent: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 12:20 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TheStewart System And despite the self-deprecation, it still looks beautiful. I'm sure there will be at least one Piet at Brodhead next year that will copy that good lo oking color scheme.... Ryan do not archive On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:32 AM, wrote: Hi Tom, The Stewart System color coats are really neat. There is the color part, th e hardener part, and added to that is water. At that point it starts the cu ring process, and I found that the available spray time (if I remember righ t) is about 45 minutes. A spray suit is recommended, because the overspray is sticky. Outside air supply is not needed, only the same canister-type re spirator that is used for spraying the primer coats. After spraying, everyt hing is cleaned up with warm water. I found it to be very easy to work with . I don't understand the chemistry, but the end result (I think this is the claim of the Stewarts) is a true polyurethane. My finish was not as glossy , because of my lowsy equipment and skill level. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 9:47 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX53WE Bob: Question on the Stewart system of paints. I was under the impression that the Stuart system was water based up to the point where color was added. T hen it became full hazmat suit and make up air required. If this impressio n is wrong I would really like to know about it. Thanks, Tom Stinemetze N328X >>> "Bob edson" 10/4/2011 7:12 AM >>> In answer to what paint we are useing it is the stuart system. It as a litt le pricey but it is water base with no odor and it is easy to work with. It makes a good tough finish and is very elastic. I am enjoying every minute of it. Have a great day, Bob " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ://forums.matronics.com lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System From: "skellytown flyer" I've seen some pretty finishes from that stuff but I'm still trying to figure out where you buy that diluted water? : Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354064#354064 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:36 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System I thought the same thing! C ----- Original Message ----- From: "skellytown flyer" Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 6:51 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System > > > I've seen some pretty finishes from that stuff but I'm still trying to > figure out where you buy that diluted water? : > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354064#354064 > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:36 PM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System I think he meant distilled:)=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: skellytown flyer =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matroni cs.com=0ASent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 6:51 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: n flyer" =0A=0AI've seen some pretty finishes from t hat stuff but I'm still trying to figure out where you buy that diluted wat er? :=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matroni -======================== ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:04 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System I didn't know they made surgical gloves that big! Clif Shad, I'm close to covering and seriously considering Latex Jack DSM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.