---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/05/11: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:45 AM - Re: Re: TheStewart System (Jack) 2. 06:03 AM - Re: Re: TheStewart System (TOM STINEMETZE) 3. 08:26 AM - Re: NX53WE (Barry Davis) 4. 09:37 AM - Re: rib wedges and one more question (namrednos) 5. 09:57 AM - Re: rib wedges and one more question (TOM STINEMETZE) 6. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: TheStewart System (Jack) 7. 10:18 AM - Re: rib wedges and one more question (namrednos) 8. 10:57 AM - Re: Re: TheStewart System (Jim Boyer) 9. 12:09 PM - Re: Re: rib wedges and one more question (Ryan Mueller) 10. 12:22 PM - slow flying (Dan Yocum) 11. 12:32 PM - Re: slow flying (Ryan Mueller) 12. 12:41 PM - Re: slow flying (Jerry Dotson) 13. 01:06 PM - Re: Re: rib wedges and one more question (Charles Campbell) 14. 01:44 PM - Re: Re: rib wedges and one more question (Dave Abramson) 15. 01:59 PM - Re: Re: TheStewart System (Jeff Wilson) 16. 02:16 PM - Re: Re: TheStewart System (Ben Charvet) 17. 02:19 PM - Fw: New member (Marvin Haught) 18. 02:23 PM - Re: Re: TheStewart System (Ben Charvet) 19. 02:31 PM - Re: rib wedges and one more question (Bill Church) 20. 02:32 PM - Re: Fw: New member (Bill Church) 21. 02:34 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 09/17/11 (Robert Perry) 22. 04:07 PM - Re: Re: slow flying (Dan Yocum) 23. 04:42 PM - Re: Re: TheStewart System (airlion) 24. 05:41 PM - Re: rib wedges and one more question (namrednos) 25. 05:53 PM - Re: Re: TheStewart System (Jack Phillips) 26. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: TheStewart System (airlion) 27. 08:35 PM - Re: TheStewart System (coxwelljon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:45:56 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System Tom, I have not researched well yet, you could be correct. So many options for consideration. Jack DSM _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:16 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System Jack: I suspect you meant Poly Brush as Polytak is a very fast drying substance used to glue the fabric down. We were only allowed to put about 12" at a time down in class in order to get the fabric to soak it up prior to getting too tacky. Stinemetze >>> "Jack" 10/4/2011 12:13 PM >>> Shad, I'm close to covering and seriously considering Latex with (I believe Polytak) to adhere the fabric. Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:12 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System Jack: No, now that I read your post with a slightly more alert mind I see that you meant: Stick the fabric down with Polytak and then paint with latex. That's a good option and the correct choice of Polyfiber product. Since you are going to use latex anyway why not go with the Stewart's sticky stuff instead since it is waterborn and does not use that nasty MEK as a solvent? Stinemetze >>> "Jack" 10/5/2011 3:42 AM >>> Tom, I have not researched well yet, you could be correct. So many options for consideration. Jack DSM From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:16 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System Jack: I suspect you meant Poly Brush as Polytak is a very fast drying substance used to glue the fabric down. We were only allowed to put about 12" at a time down in class in order to get the fabric to soak it up prior to getting too tacky. Stinemetze >>> "Jack" 10/4/2011 12:13 PM >>> Shad, Im close to covering and seriously considering Latex with (I believe Polytak) to adhere the fabric. Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:21 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: NX53WE Painted the 6 Big Piets with the Stewart System. IMOP, it is regular poly paint. It has the paint, hardener and thinner. The thinner is water and evaporates away leaving a very tough 2 part paint. I painted about 4 nights per week for 6 months getting all 6 planes painted. Trying to get 5 of the 6 ready for Brodhead and Osh. we did not have the luxury of waiting for a perfect day to paint. I painted anyway, no matter what. You could only paint 4 coats at a time before drying, so it took 4 sesseions (afternoons) for each wing, fuselage, tail feathers, metal, struts, etc, etc, etc, etc. The temp and humidity varied from 20 degrees to 90 degrees in that time frame and humidity was from 100% to about 50%. On the cold days, we ran heat for about 45 min and heated the booth to over 100 degrees to try to heat the wing up. Still if the wing was too cold, the water would condense and run off the wing in puddles. Bottom line is this...The covering system is great and I will never use a MEK based system again. The waterborne paint is great if you have perfect conditions, but after the auto industry gets the paint perfected for millions of cars, we will benefit with airplane painting. By painting just one plane, maybe you will have several months to wait around for a couple of perfect days. If you weigh the paint as you mix and follow the instructions to the letter, you will have the toughest paint I have ever seen. Be sure to wear a good charcoal filter mask and change the pre-filter every 4 days of painting. Throw the mask away after a couple of months (or sooner if you had a bad cold) and buy a new one. Mold and gunk grow on the inside where you breathe. These are available thru any auto paint store for around $20. Can't be too safe as polyurethane paint will kill you. Barry NX973BP ps: waterborne not waterbased _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX53WE Bob: Question on the Stewart system of paints. I was under the impression that the Stuart system was water based up to the point where color was added. Then it became full hazmat suit and make up air required. If this impression is wrong I would really like to know about it. Thanks, Tom Stinemetze N328X >>> "Bob edson" 10/4/2011 7:12 AM >>> In answer to what paint we are useing it is the stuart system. It as a little pricey but it is water base with no odor and it is easy to work with. It makes a good tough finish and is very elastic. I am enjoying every minute of it. Have a great day, Bob ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:35 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rib wedges and one more question From: "namrednos" Hi everyone. I have been lurking behind the scenes and just started building my rib jig. I have scotch glued the pattern down to a flat board. The problem I am having is that I made a 4.75" long by 1" wide guide for the spars and one does not fit on the pattern. The front is fine but the back is too long. The pattern only has room for about 4.625" high spar. Do I plane off the back top corner of the spar or do I center the spar up and down on the pattern and change the rib profile to fit. Benches built, Rib wood received, building rib jig Scott L. Sonderman Do not archive -------- Scott Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354087#354087 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:34 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rib wedges and one more question Scott: How big are your spars? Mine will be 3/4 inch in width. Your question made me curious so I opened up my rib CAD drawing to check. I drew this up from the dimensions given in the plans so it should be pretty close. The height of the front spar worked out to 4.8 inches plus the wedge to take up the space. The rear spar was 4.67 inches which is quite close to what you were getting. The wedge is also much smaller than the front spar. Can't answer your question though as I have not built the wings yet. Tom Stinemetze N328X >>> "namrednos" 10/5/2011 11:35 AM >>> Hi everyone. I have been lurking behind the scenes and just started building my rib jig. I have scotch glued the pattern down to a flat board. The problem I am having is that I made a 4.75" long by 1" wide guide for the spars and one does not fit on the pattern. The front is fine but the back is too long. The pattern only has room for about 4.625" high spar. Do I plane off the back top corner of the spar or do I center the spar up and down on the pattern and change the rib profile to fit. Benches built, Rib wood received, building rib jig Scott L. Sonderman Do not archive -------- Scott ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:15:32 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System That sounds like a good option. Has anyone out there tried it over spar varnish? Jack DSM _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 8:00 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System Jack: No, now that I read your post with a slightly more alert mind I see that you meant: Stick the fabric down with Polytak and then paint with latex. That's a good option and the correct choice of Polyfiber product. Since you are going to use latex anyway why not go with the Stewart's sticky stuff instead since it is waterborn and does not use that nasty MEK as a solvent? Stinemetze >>> "Jack" 10/5/2011 3:42 AM >>> Tom, I have not researched well yet, you could be correct. So many options for consideration. Jack DSM _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:16 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System Jack: I suspect you meant Poly Brush as Polytak is a very fast drying substance used to glue the fabric down. We were only allowed to put about 12" at a time down in class in order to get the fabric to soak it up prior to getting too tacky. Stinemetze >>> "Jack" 10/4/2011 12:13 PM >>> Shad, I'm close to covering and seriously considering Latex with (I believe Polytak) to adhere the fabric. Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:18:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rib wedges and one more question From: "namrednos" I am going to make my spars out of 1" x 4-3/4" and then router out to make it lighter. I have heard of the spars being made of 3/4" by 4-3/4" and then no router. The cost for the fir is about the same but I think the 1" spar will be a little stronger. Scott -------- Scott Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354090#354090 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:57:24 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System He means distilled water and you can get it in gallon containers from your local Safeway/Raleys, etc. grocery store. Jim B. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:47 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rib wedges and one more question From: Ryan Mueller The spars, per "Drawing No 5" plans sheet, are 4 and 3/4" tall. The rest is taken up with the wedges... Ryan On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 11:35 AM, namrednos wrote: > > Hi everyone. I have been lurking behind the scenes and just started > building my rib jig. I have scotch glued the pattern down to a flat board. > The problem I am having is that I made a 4.75" long by 1" wide guide for the > spars and one does not fit on the pattern. The front is fine but the back is > too long. The pattern only has room for about 4.625" high spar. Do I plane > off the back top corner of the spar or do I center the spar up and down on > the pattern and change the rib profile to fit. > > Benches built, Rib wood received, building rib jig > Scott L. Sonderman > > Do not archive > > -------- > Scott > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354087#354087 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:22:37 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Pietenpol-List: slow flying Hi All, It's been beautiful fall weather around here the past couple of weeks so I've been taking every opportunity to head off into the wild blue yonder with N8031 to try to get my flying fix before the snow starts coming down. The last couple of times I've been up, I've been seeing just how slow I can run the engine and maintain altitude. I've been able to keep her flying at about 50mph at 1325RPM or so. What a nice ride. The wind isn't too bad and it almost makes me want to take out the earplugs. I'm saving gas, decreasing engine wear, and still enjoying the ride as much as if I were "zooming" along at 75mph. My question is this - is such a low RPM bad for the engine? Will it foul the plugs or anything else if I don't run it hotter? Thanks, Dan ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: slow flying From: Ryan Mueller For the flying you're doing, no. If you are worried about loading up the plugs....you are at full throttle on takeoff, and probably higher throttle settings at some point during your flights, no worries there. Otherwise, as long as she has oil pressure, enjoy! Ryan On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > Hi All, > > It's been beautiful fall weather around here the past couple of weeks so > I've been taking every opportunity to head off into the wild blue yonder > with N8031 to try to get my flying fix before the snow starts coming down. > > The last couple of times I've been up, I've been seeing just how slow I can > run the engine and maintain altitude. I've been able to keep her flying at > about 50mph at 1325RPM or so. What a nice ride. The wind isn't too bad and > it almost makes me want to take out the earplugs. > > I'm saving gas, decreasing engine wear, and still enjoying the ride as much > as if I were "zooming" along at 75mph. > > My question is this - is such a low RPM bad for the engine? Will it foul > the plugs or anything else if I don't run it hotter? > > Thanks, > Dan > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:35 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow flying From: "Jerry Dotson" Dan i don't see any way to damage the engine with a fixed pitch prop you can't lug it. It might oil foul plugs if the rings and valve guides are not in good shape. At that low a power setting there is a lot of vacuum on the cylinder side to suck oil past the clearances. My trusty Luscombe with an A-65 would foul plugs when I played around like that so I would go to full power for a minute or so and that cured the plug fouling. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 now covering 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 Jay Anderson CloudCars prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354103#354103 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:22 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rib wedges and one more question I suggest cutting it to fit. ----- Original Message ----- From: "namrednos" Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 12:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rib wedges and one more question > > Hi everyone. I have been lurking behind the scenes and just started > building my rib jig. I have scotch glued the pattern down to a flat board. > The problem I am having is that I made a 4.75" long by 1" wide guide for > the spars and one does not fit on the pattern. The front is fine but the > back is too long. The pattern only has room for about 4.625" high spar. Do > I plane off the back top corner of the spar or do I center the spar up and > down on the pattern and change the rib profile to fit. > > Benches built, Rib wood received, building rib jig > Scott L. Sonderman > > Do not archive > > -------- > Scott > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354087#354087 > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:44:32 PM PST US From: "Dave Abramson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: rib wedges and one more question Here is what I did.... I cut a 2 1/2" pieces of spar material, and glued it to the pattern so it was part of the fixture.... No doubt my ribs will fit!!!! Good Luck!!!!! dave do not archive > > Hi everyone. I have been lurking behind the scenes and just started > building my rib jig. I have scotch glued the pattern down to a flat board. > The problem I am having is that I made a 4.75" long by 1" wide guide for > the spars and one does not fit on the pattern. The front is fine but the > back is too long. The pattern only has room for about 4.625" high spar. Do > I plane off the back top corner of the spar or do I center the spar up and > down on the pattern and change the rib profile to fit. > > Benches built, Rib wood received, building rib jig > Scott L. Sonderman > > Do not archive > > -------- > Scott > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354087#354087 > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:38 PM PST US From: Jeff Wilson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System One of the best things about the Stewart System is that the fabric adhesive can be used over anything. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 5, 2011, at 12:13 PM, "Jack" wrote: > That sounds like a good option. Has anyone out there tried it over spar v arnish? > > Jack > > DSM > > > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 8:00 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System > > > Jack: > > No, now that I read your post with a slightly more alert mind I see that y ou meant: Stick the fabric down with Polytak and then paint with latex. Th at's a good option and the correct choice of Polyfiber product. Since you a re going to use latex anyway why not go with the Stewart's sticky stuff inst ead since it is waterborn and does not use that nasty MEK as a solvent? > > Stinemetze > > > >>> "Jack" 10/5/2011 3:42 AM >>> > Tom, > > I have not researched well yet, you could be correct. So many options for consideration. > > Jack > > DSM > > > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE > Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:16 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System > > > Jack: > > I suspect you meant Poly Brush as Polytak is a very fast drying substance u sed to glue the fabric down. We were only allowed to put about 12" at a tim e down in class in order to get the fabric to soak it up prior to getting to o tacky. > > Stinemetze > > > >>> "Jack" 10/4/2011 12:13 PM >>> > Shad, > > I=99m close to covering and seriously considering Latex with (I beli eve Polytak) to adhere the fabric. > > Jack > > DSM > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:16:33 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System the ecobond is great, and doesn't stink. Works great with Latex too! Ben On 10/4/2011 1:24 PM, Gboothe5 wrote: > > Jack, > > I'm doing something similar, only with Stewart's EcoBond, with > Benjamin Moore zero VOC Aura brand paint. Sample looks good, and some > parts are primed, but I'm not far enough down the road to say more. I > do like the EcoBond... > > Gary > > *From:*owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jack > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:13 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System > > Shad, > > I'm close to covering and seriously considering Latex with (I believe > Polytak) to adhere the fabric. > > Jack > > DSM > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *shad > bell > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 04, 2011 12:02 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System > > Check out Randy Bush's piet, he used Stewarts Paint. Just talked to > him a few weeks ago about it. It is high gloss, similar to the > aerothane look. He said it took some getting used to for his spray, > thinning technique. Still need a charcol resporator. Only diffrence > is Stewarts is WATERBORN polyurethane not solevent based. It uses > diluted water for thinner, not mek or other solevents. Randy could > be of much more info I am sure. > > --- On *Tue, 10/4/11, kevinpurtee //* wrote: > > > From: kevinpurtee > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 12:45 PM > > > > > I dunno, Dan. I don't recall you saying anything about "glossy" in > the Lost Papers. Not sure it's an issue. > > do not archive. > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=-= the many List utilities > such as List sp; --> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ht= -Matt .matronics.com/contribution" > target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contr=============== > > > > > * * > * * > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > * * > *http://forums.matronics.com* > * * > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > * * > * * > * * > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > ** > ** > ** > *http://forums.matronics.com* > ** > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > ** > * * > * > > > * -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:31 PM PST US From: Marvin Haught Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: New member -------- Original Message -------- Subject: New member From: Marvin Haught Hello Folks - I'm a new member on the group - invited by the Edson's from Branson, MO. I am a Stewart Systems Distributor, located in Huntsville, AR. I don't plan on using the group to sell product - just answer questions if asked and clarify techniques for covering and painted if needed. I've been a Pietenpol fan most of my life, and one day, before I'm too danged old to fly any more, would love to either buy a project or build. But, like a lot of other habitual builders of stuff, if I could quit work right now, it is doubtful I would live long enough to complete the projects I've got stacked up now! Anyway, my company name is Aircraft Fabric& Finishes, LLC, P.O. Box 419, 1227 Airport Road, Huntsville, AR 72740 - Cell 479-586-4241 in case anyone wants to contact me offline. The company email is aircraftfinishes@gmail.com. I will be glad to answer any questions anyone might have, on line or off line. I also do sheet metal work, specializing in compound shapes. As to fabric work, I will contract to come to your place for a 3 day work session to teach the Stewart System to you right on your aircraft parts. Contact me offline for costs. M. Haught aircraftfinishes@gmail.com -- H.Marvin Haught Jr. Haught& Associates, Inc Huntsville, AR 72740 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:26 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System Assuming you are talking about Ecobond, yes I used it over spar varnish. Poly-tak probably would have been a problem. Ben On 10/5/2011 1:13 PM, Jack wrote: > > That sounds like a good option. Has anyone out there tried it over > spar varnish? > > Jack > > DSM > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *TOM > STINEMETZE > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 05, 2011 8:00 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System > > **Jack:** > > **No, now that I read your post with a slightly more alert mind I see > that you meant: Stick the fabric down with Polytak and then paint > with latex. That's a good option and the correct choice of Polyfiber > product. Since you are going to use latex anyway why not go with the > Stewart's sticky stuff instead since it is waterborn and does not use > that nasty MEK as a solvent?** > > **Stinemetze** > > > >>> "Jack" 10/5/2011 3:42 AM >>> > > Tom, > > I have not researched well yet, you could be correct. So many options > for consideration. > > Jack > > DSM > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *TOM > STINEMETZE > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:16 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System > > **Jack:** > > **I suspect you meant Poly Brush as Polytak is a very fast drying > substance used to glue the fabric down. We were only allowed to put > about 12" at a time down in class in order to get the fabric to soak > it up prior to getting too tacky.** > > **Stinemetze** > > > >>> "Jack" 10/4/2011 12:13 PM >>> > > Shad, > > I'm close to covering and seriously considering Latex with (I believe > Polytak) to adhere the fabric. > > Jack > > DSM > > * * > * * > * * > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > ** > ** > *http://forums.matronics.com* > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > * * > * > > > * -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rib wedges and one more question From: "Bill Church" This has been discussed several times in the past. If you search the archives you will easily find references. In any case, the short answer is, yes, the rib design doesn't really allow enough room to fit the full 4 3/4" rear spar. The best approach is to either bevel the top edge of the rear spar to fit the rib, or to reduce the overall height of the rear spar to fit with a square cut on the top - your choice. As an example, if the height of the rear spar was reduced from 4 3/4" down to 4 5/8", the resulting spar would still retain 92 percent of the bending strength of the original spar. The spar with the beveled top edge will retain slightly more strength than the square cut spar, but will be more difficult to cut. The rear spars carry less of the loading than the front spars anyway, so the slight reduction will not be a problem. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354116#354116 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:32:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: New member From: "Bill Church" good to know. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354117#354117 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:00 PM PST US From: Robert Perry Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 09/17/11 Please change my email address to dpilot88@gmail.com. Thanks. Bob Perry -----Original Message----- >From: Pietenpol-List Digest Server >Sent: Sep 18, 2011 3:00 AM >To: Pietenpol-List Digest List >Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 09/17/11 > >* > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > >Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the >two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted >in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes >and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version >of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor >such as Notepad or with a web browser. > >HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 11-09-17&Archive=Pietenpol > >Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 11-09-17&Archive=Pietenpol > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Pietenpol-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sat 09/17/11: 26 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > >Today's Message Index: >---------------------- > > 1. 03:57 AM - Re: Shock Cord (bubbleboy) > 2. 04:24 AM - Re: Re: Shock Cord (Jack Phillips) > 3. 04:40 AM - Re: Re: Control horns (Scott Knowlton) > 4. 04:42 AM - Re: Shock Cord (bubbleboy) > 5. 08:17 AM - Modified Seine Knot (Gary Boothe) > 6. 08:40 AM - WACO fly-in (Troy, oh) (VanDy) > 7. 09:31 AM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Jim Boyer) > 8. 10:19 AM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Gary Boothe) > 9. 12:05 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Michael Groah) > 10. 01:12 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Jim Boyer) > 11. 01:17 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Jim Boyer) > 12. 01:22 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Gary Boothe) > 13. 02:15 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Jack Phillips) > 14. 02:16 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Gary Boothe) > 15. 02:18 PM - Re: CG Question (Gary Boothe) > 16. 02:29 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Gary Boothe) > 17. 02:45 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (dgaldrich) > 18. 03:53 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Jerry Dotson) > 19. 04:20 PM - Re: Re: Modified Seine Knot (Gary Boothe) > 20. 04:48 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (Jim Boyer) > 21. 05:27 PM - Re: Re: Modified Seine Knot (Gary Boothe) > 22. 06:44 PM - Re: WACO fly-in (Troy, oh) (steve emo) > 23. 06:58 PM - Re: Re: Control horns (AMsafetyC@aol.com) > 24. 07:13 PM - Re: Modified Seine Knot (dgaldrich) > 25. 07:52 PM - Re: Re: Control horns (Gary Boothe) > 26. 11:45 PM - Re: Re: Control horns (mark lee) > > > >________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > >Time: 03:57:51 AM PST US >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord >From: "bubbleboy" > > >While on the subject of bungee chord, I have a mate who is ordering a pile of it >so im going to buy mine now. Im building the straight axle and am wondering >what approx length the chords need to be? > >Thank you in advance. > >Scotty > >-------- >Tamworth, Australia >Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > >www.scottyspietenpol.com > >Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair >engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352502#352502 > > >________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > >Time: 04:24:43 AM PST US >From: "Jack Phillips" >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord > > >I always order 20 feet of 1/2" bungee. You actually need about 6-7 feet per >side, but you need enough of a "handle" to be able to tension it. 20 feet >works out about right. > >Jack Phillips >NX899JP >Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy >Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:55 AM >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord > >--> > >While on the subject of bungee chord, I have a mate who is ordering a pile >of it so im going to buy mine now. Im building the straight axle and am >wondering what approx length the chords need to be? > >Thank you in advance. > >Scotty > >-------- >Tamworth, Australia >Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > >www.scottyspietenpol.com > >Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start >fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352502#352502 > > >________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ > > >Time: 04:40:08 AM PST US >From: "Scott Knowlton " >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control horns > > >Kevin. Scary and a good point to make about welding. As I got in to the skill >of gas welding my 16 year old was fascinated by the process and quickly became >quite capable at making beautiful fishscale welds using our oxy/acetelyne rig >(darn kids!). He moved on to welding galvanized fence rails into snow board >and skateboard rails for his friends. While being impressed by his enthusiasm >I became concerned about the possible harmfulness of the fumes when the galvanized >coating spewed out a whitish dust . Quick research revealed that the >dust is zinc and has really no harmful effects if inhaled other than possible >short term nausea. What did catch my eye was that some of the other coatings >on steel like cadmium and certain paints like zinc chromate are horribly toxic >when they reach their melting point which is well below that of steel. Full >ventilation or better yet removal of the coating is a must before hitting these >with a torch. I remember William Wynn addressing this in his Corvair manual >when talking about welding the engine. >Let's be careful out there. >Scott Knowlton. > >-----Original Message----- >From: kevinpurtee >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control horns > > >I sprayed zinc chromate inside and sloshed it around.... > >followed by my welder at work welding the metal tab on the piece. He was shocked >and amazed when the internal zinc chromate caught on fire and starting spewing >noxious gas at him. > >I learned about welding/painting sequence from that one. > >-------- >Kevin "Axel" Purtee >NX899KP >Austin/Georgetown, TX > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352491#352491 > > >________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ > > >Time: 04:42:55 AM PST US >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord >From: "bubbleboy" > > >Thank you Jack! Much appreciated. > >Scotty > >-------- >Tamworth, Australia >Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > >www.scottyspietenpol.com > >Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair >engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352506#352506 > > >________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ > > >Time: 08:17:54 AM PST US >From: "Gary Boothe" >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot > >Let's see..so far I have accomplished the following: Build an engine, carve >a prop, build a gas tank, sheet metal cowling, welding, electrical, flight >controls, wing ribs & wings, fuselage..Why does learning this stupid knot, >without the aid of the video, seem to over-shadow all the rest? > > >Gary in Cool > > >________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ > > >Time: 08:40:19 AM PST US >Subject: Pietenpol-List: WACO fly-in (Troy, oh) >From: "VanDy" > > >Anybody there or going? In headed down in a little bit with the little one > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352513#352513 > > >________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ > > >Time: 09:31:17 AM PST US >From: Jim Boyer >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot > > >OK Gary so how much of the Piet have you got covered this week? I remember you >saying you were taking vacation and this was the time you were starting to cover. > > >Cheers, > >Jim > > >________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ > > >Time: 10:19:56 AM PST US >From: "Gary Boothe" >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot > >Fortunately, Saturday was spent in a very productive re-wiring session >with Mike Studer.S, M, & T was a washout as I accepted a job >challenge in Phoenixso really didn=99t get started >=98till Wednesday. All tail surfaces are covered, and I just >finished stitching the H. Stab. Next weekend, my son, Ryan, is coming >over to assist with the fuselage. Then I=99ll do some painting >before starting cover on the wings. > > >Gary > > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim >Boyer >Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:28 AM >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot > > >OK Gary so how much of the Piet have you got covered this week? I >remember you saying you were taking vacation and this was the time you >were starting to cover. > >Cheers, > >Jim > > >________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ > > >Time: 12:05:26 PM PST US >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot >From: Michael Groah > >That's awesome Gary! I'm glad to see you're getting that covering done, but > slow down. How am I supposed to stay ahead of you when you're working so qu >ickly? I guess I'll have to get my wings down this next weekend and start t >heir covering. I've got the logos on the side of the fuselage and now I'll s >tart laying out for the stripe or spears down the side. I'm looking forward t >o seeing more pics of your covering as it moves forward. > >Mike Groah >Tulare CA > > >Sent from my iPhone > >

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> >________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ > > >Time: 01:12:15 PM PST US >From: Jim Boyer >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot > > >All tail surfaces covered sounds good. Obviously you now have the Siene (sp >) knot all figured out. Since Mike and Vic are painting their Piet Green, a >nd I plan on painting mine green. What color are you painting yours? I thin >k you said Green too at one time. > >How about trim paint? Wings and fuselage , etc. all the same or wings and h >orizontal tail white or version of white? > >You will=C2- be flying soon; I'm jealous. > > >Actually got engine mount gussets made and mount is at welders so will be r >eady to put on next week toward end of week. Also took off elevators and va >rnished them; hadn't done that yet. Looking forward to hanging engine soon >so I can finished wiring and get it running. > > >What is this deal with Phoenix and job? Are you moving to Phoenix? Wow will > this get the rumors started. > > >Good progress Gary; keep it up. > >Cheers, > >Jim B. > > >________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ > > >Time: 01:17:08 PM PST US >From: Jim Boyer >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot > > >Hi Mike, > >Boy does that look nice. Have you got the cowl painted yet? We are going to > have to=C2- call Gary Speedy! He does more=C2- in one=C2- weekend th >an I get accomplished in a month. > > >You and Gary should both be flying soon at the rate you are going. Maybe ne >xt years West Coast Piet gathering will have some North California Piets pr >esent; that will be neat. > > >Great progress Mike. > >Jim=C2- B. > > >________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ > > >Time: 01:22:21 PM PST US >From: "Gary Boothe" >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot > > >Gorgeous, Mike!! I like the cockpit coping, too! > >Gary >Do not archive > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael >Groah >Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:03 PM >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot > >That's awesome Gary! I'm glad to see you're getting that covering done, but >slow down. How am I supposed to stay ahead of you when you're working so >quickly? I guess I'll have to get my wings down this next weekend and start >their covering. I've got the logos on the side of the fuselage and now I'll >start laying out for the stripe or spears down the side. I'm looking forward >to seeing more pics of your covering as it moves forward. > >Mike Groah >Tulare CA > > >________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ > > >Time: 02:15:05 PM PST US >From: "Jack Phillips" >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot > >Use the video. > > > _____ > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe >Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 11:16 AM >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot > > >Let's see..so far I have accomplished the following: Build an engine, carve >a prop, build a gas tank, sheet metal cowling, welding, electrical, flight >controls, wing ribs & wings, fuselage..Why does learning this stupid knot, >without the aid of the video, seem to over-shadow all the rest? > > >Gary in Cool > > >________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ > > >Time: 02:16:46 PM PST US >From: "Gary Boothe" >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot > >Mike, Jim, Curt, > > >Ha-ha! In keeping with The Dan Helsper Tradition of Keeping Paint >Schemes Secret, I have moved entirely away from green, and the new color >is. > > >Just finished stitching all the tail parts, so, Yes, I can say >I=99ve got the knot down, now.even had a conversation >with my wife while doing a few knots, though she may have found me >unintelligible! > > >The trip to Phoenix was just for worknot to look at moving >there, though a move east of California may be in the offing, next >year. > > >Jim =93 keep me posted on your engine progress. I would like to >come over and crew for you when the happy day comes! back to >the shop. > > >Gary > >Do not archive > > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim >Boyer >Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 1:10 PM >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot > > >All tail surfaces covered sounds good. Obviously you now have the Siene >(sp) knot all figured out. Since Mike and Vic are painting their Piet >Green, and I plan on painting mine green. What color are you painting >yours? I think you said Green too at one time. > >How about trim paint? Wings and fuselage , etc. all the same or wings >and horizontal tail white or version of white? > >You will be flying soon; I'm jealous. > > >Actually got engine mount gussets made and mount is at welders so will >be ready to put on next week toward end of week. Also took off elevators >and varnished them; hadn't done that yet. Looking forward to hanging >engine soon so I can finished wiring and get it running. > > >What is this deal with Phoenix and job? Are you moving to Phoenix? Wow >will this get the rumors started. > > >Good progress Gary; keep it up. > >Cheers, > >Jim B. > > >3D============== >3D============== >3D============== >3D >3D============== >3D============== >3D============== >3D >3D============== >3D============== >3D============== >3D >3D============== >3D============== >3D============== >3D > > >________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ > > >Time: 02:18:19 PM PST US >From: "Gary Boothe" >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: CG Question > >Larry, > > >She's looking great! Sorry, I don't have much input on W&B, except, if it's >not too difficult, I think I would prefer to be a little more forward of the >aft limit. Keep us posted.. > > >Gary > > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry >Morlock >Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 7:12 PM >Subject: Pietenpol-List: CG Question > > >I have a question on CG limits. I have just completed the weight and >balance calculations on my Pietenpol (Model A engine, one piece wing, see >attached). My CG is within the limit of no more than 20 inches behind the >wing leading edge - just barely. Is there any value to moving the wing back >another inch so it has some margin ahead of the 20 inch limit? > > >Here's the numbers I calculated: > > >Empty weight with oil and water - 710 lbs > >CG with 200 lb pilot and 10 gallons of fuel - 19.9 in behind LE > >CG with 170 lb passenger - 20.1 in behind LE > > >The cabanes are already 2.5 inches back from vertical. Theoretically, I am >OK with the wing as it is, but would it be better to have it more toward the >center of the allowable CG range? > > >Appreciate any thoughts. > > > Larry Morlock > > >________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ > > >Time: 02:29:01 PM PST US >From: "Gary Boothe" >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot > >That's what I did, Jack! Took that laptop and set right next to me while >making the first row of knots. After 6 or 8 replays I had it down. > > >Gary > > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack >Phillips >Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 2:11 PM >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot > > >Use the video. > > > _____ > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe >Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 11:16 AM >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot > >Let's see..so far I have accomplished the following: Build an engine, carve >a prop, build a gas tank, sheet metal cowling, welding, electrical, flight >controls, wing ribs & wings, fuselage..Why does learning this stupid knot, >without the aid of the video, seem to over-shadow all the rest? > > >Gary in Cool > > >________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ > > >Time: 02:45:32 PM PST US >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modified Seine Knot >From: "dgaldrich" > > >The Stewart Systems guys use what they call the Beech Staggerwing knot. It's simpler >and just as effective, or so they say. > >If you'd like, I'll airmail my wife out to help. She's assisted at the Polyfiber >demo area at SnF teaching the knot. > >Dave > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352539#352539 > > >________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ > > >Time: 03:53:36 PM PST US >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modified Seine Knot >From: "Jerry Dotson" > > >I used the Beech Staggerwing knot. Worked for me. My hands are still sore. I used >a light leather glove to pull with. We finished Thursday. My brother helped >all the way. He is the one that works cheap and wears overalls! I think he counted >about 600 ties. > >-------- >Jerry Dotson >59 Daniel Johnson Rd >Baker, FL 32531 > >Started building NX510JD July, 2009 >now covering >21" wheels >Lycoming O-235 >Jay Anderson CloudCars prop > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352541#352541 > > >Attachments: > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_7228_179.jpg > > >________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ > > >Time: 04:20:50 PM PST US >From: "Gary Boothe" >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modified Seine Knot > > >WOW! You gave her up without a fight! ; -) > >Thanks, anyhow, Dave, she'd just confuse me, now.... > >Do not archive > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dgaldrich >Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 2:43 PM >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modified Seine Knot > >--> > >The Stewart Systems guys use what they call the Beech Staggerwing knot. >It's simpler and just as effective, or so they say. > >If you'd like, I'll airmail my wife out to help. She's assisted at the >Polyfiber demo area at SnF teaching the knot. > >Dave > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352539#352539 > > >________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ > > >Time: 04:48:04 PM PST US >From: Jim Boyer >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot > > >I know Gary; I picked green before I even knew Don Emch was painting his Piet Green. >Now there are so many that are Green I may have to paint mine fuchia or >something. > > >I would really appreciate the help with getting the engine goine; will let you >know of my progress on it. > >Jim B. > > >________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ > > >Time: 05:27:11 PM PST US >From: "Gary Boothe" >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modified Seine Knot > > >Know what you mean about the sore hands! Reminds me of the first day on the >commercial fishing boat when I was 15...took weeks to heal up! Hope I can >find some help for the wings...maybe I should take Dave up on his offer to >send his wife out. I don't think mine will go for it... > >Do not archive > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson >Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 3:51 PM >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modified Seine Knot > >--> > >I used the Beech Staggerwing knot. Worked for me. My hands are still sore. I >used a light leather glove to pull with. We finished Thursday. My brother >helped all the way. He is the one that works cheap and wears overalls! I >think he counted about 600 ties. > >-------- >Jerry Dotson >59 Daniel Johnson Rd >Baker, FL 32531 > >Started building NX510JD July, 2009 >now covering >21" wheels >Lycoming O-235 >Jay Anderson CloudCars prop > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352541#352541 > > >Attachments: > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_7228_179.jpg > > >________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ > > >Time: 06:44:05 PM PST US >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: WACO fly-in (Troy, oh) >From: steve emo > >was there > >On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 11:38 AM, VanDy wrote: > >> matthew.vandervort@gmail.com> >> >> Anybody there or going? In headed down in a little bit with the little one >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352513#352513 >> >> > >________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ > > >Time: 06:58:28 PM PST US >From: AMsafetyC@aol.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control horns > >You still need to be careful when working with zinc which is the coating >used during the galvanizing process and does contain trace amounts of lead. >Although there are not long term effects from the white zinc smoke, there >is still the possibility of zinc fume fever. Not overly dangerous but you >really do not want to induce a fever either. Its just not a smart thing to >do. Drinking milk following the exposure will permit the production of >mucus which will attract and collect the zinc and metallic particulate and >permit it to be ejected from the body through coughing. > >The one you have to watch out for is welding stainless, the process >liberates chrome which is toxic so you want to be really careful when arc >welding stainless. > >Sorry to be so long winded about it, however, what good is a great airplane > if you're not around to fly it. > >By all means when in doubt consult the MSDS. > >This has been your safety man minute and lecture for today, plese sign off >on the attached sheet verifying your attendance and participation in our >safety meeting. > >John > >Do not archive, you just need to learn it > >________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ > > >Time: 07:13:31 PM PST US >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modified Seine Knot >From: "dgaldrich" > > >Sue loves the left coast and might even go voluntarily. She spend 33 years teaching >language arts (aka English) to teenagers so her mental health is still in >question... > >She's so gonna kill me when she reads this thread.... > >Dave > >really, really, do not archive > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352552#352552 > > >________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ > > >Time: 07:52:52 PM PST US >From: "Gary Boothe" >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control horns > >Damn, John.you should get a job as a Safety Consultant. > > >Do not archive > >Gary > > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >AMsafetyC@aol.com >Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:56 PM >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control horns > > >You still need to be careful when working with zinc which is the coating >used during the galvanizing process and does contain trace amounts of lead. >Although there are not long term effects from the white zinc smoke, there is >still the possibility of zinc fume fever. Not overly dangerous but you >really do not want to induce a fever either. Its just not a smart thing to >do. Drinking milk following the exposure will permit the production of mucus >which will attract and collect the zinc and metallic particulate and permit >it to be ejected from the body through coughing. > > >The one you have to watch out for is welding stainless, the process >liberates chrome which is toxic so you want to be really careful when arc >welding stainless. > > >Sorry to be so long winded about it, however, what good is a great airplane >if you're not around to fly it. > > >By all means when in doubt consult the MSDS. > > >This has been your safety man minute and lecture for today, plese sign off >on the attached sheet verifying your attendance and participation in our >safety meeting. > > >John > > >Do not archive, you just need to learn it > > >________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ > > >Time: 11:45:07 PM PST US >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control horns >From: mark lee > >Years ago at a remote mine in Utah our welder needed to use some steel that >was galvanized. I got a good lung full when the slight breeze shifted and i >t >wasn't pleasant. It may not be really dangerous but I thought I was in real >trouble for a minute. We were able to continue after we ground the >galvanizing off further away from the welds. Once was enough for me. > >On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > >> Damn, John=85you should get a job as a Safety Consultant=85**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Do not archive**** >> >> Gary**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: >> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of * >> AMsafetyC@aol.com >> *Sent:* Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:56 PM >> >> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control horns**** >> >> ** ** >> >> You still need to be careful when working with zinc which is the coating >> used during the galvanizing process and does contain trace amounts of >> lead. Although there are not long term effects from the white zinc smoke >, >> there is still the possibility of zinc fume fever. Not overly dangerous b >ut >> you really do not want to induce a fever either. Its just not a smart th >ing >> to do. Drinking milk following the exposure will permit the production of >> mucus which will attract and collect the zinc and metallic particulate an >d >> permit it to be ejected from the body through coughing. **** >> >> **** >> >> The one you have to watch out for is welding stainless, the process >> liberates chrome which is toxic so you want to be really careful when ar >c >> welding stainless.**** >> >> **** >> >> Sorry to be so long winded about it, however, what good is a great airpla >ne >> if you're not around to fly it. **** >> >> **** >> >> By all means when in doubt consult the MSDS.**** >> >> **** >> >> This has been your safety man minute and lecture for today, plese sign of >f >> on the attached sheet verifying your attendance and participation in our >> safety meeting.**** >> >> **** >> >> John**** >> >> **** >> >> Do not archive, you just need to learn it**** >> >> **** >> >> * * >> >> * * >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://forums.matronics.com* >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >> >> ** >> >> * * >> >> * >> >========== >========== >========== >========== >> * >> >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:07:44 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow flying Alright! On those days when I've got no particular place to go, 50-55mph is a real nice speed to get there. Thanks! Dan -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Oct 5, 2011, at 2:39 PM, "Jerry Dotson" wrote: > > Dan i don't see any way to damage the engine with a fixed pitch prop you can't lug it. It might oil foul plugs if the rings and valve guides are not in good shape. At that low a power setting there is a lot of vacuum on the cylinder side to suck oil past the clearances. My trusty Luscombe with an A-65 would foul plugs when I played around like that so I would go to full power for a minute or so and that cured the plug fouling. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > now covering > 21" wheels > Lycoming O-235 > Jay Anderson CloudCars prop > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354103#354103 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:46 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System Hi all, I am building my ribs as I speak and I did not put a wedge in while =0Abuilding. After ribs were complete I then put wedges in to to measure 4 an 3/4 =0Afrom the bottom capstrip.=0A=0ARibs are complete and now I mate them to the spars. Gardiner=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom : Jack =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, O ctober 5, 2011 1:13:14 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart Sys tem=0A=0A =0AThat sounds like a good option. Has anyone out there tried i t over spar =0Avarnish?=0AJack=0ADSM=0A =0A=0A_____________________________ ___=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-p ietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE=0ASent: Wed nesday, October 05, 2011 8:00 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubje ct: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System=0A =0AJack:=0A =0ANo, now tha t I read your post with a slightly more alert mind I see that you =0Ameant: Stick the fabric down with Polytak and then paint with latex. That ' s =0Aa good option and the correct choice of Polyfiber product. Since you ar e going =0Ato use latex anyway why not go with the Stewart ' s sticky stuff instead since =0Ait is waterborn and does not use that nasty MEK as a solv ent?=0A =0AStinemetze=0A=0A=0A>>> "Jack" < jack@textors.com > 10/5/2011 3:4 2 AM >>>=0ATom,=0AI have not researched well yet, you could be correct. So many options for =0Aconsideration.=0AJack=0ADSM=0A =0A=0A_________________ _______________=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com =0A[ma ilto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE =0ASent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:16 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.c om=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System=0A =0AJack:=0A =0AI suspect you meant Poly Brush as Polytak is a very fast drying substance us ed =0Ato glue the fabric down. We were only allowed to put about 12" at a time down =0Ain class in order to get the fabric to soak it up prior to get ting too tacky.=0A =0AStinemetze=0A=0A=0A>>> "Jack" < jack@textors.com > 10 /4/2011 12:13 PM >>>=0AShad,=0AI=99m close to covering and seriously considering Latex with (I believe Polytak) =0Ato adhere the fabric.=0AJack =0ADSM=0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A ================ =0A ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:23 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rib wedges and one more question From: "namrednos" Bill C. Thank you for your answer. I will cut the rear spar pattern down to fit in the spar pattern. Thanks again Scott do not archive -------- Scott Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354143#354143 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:35 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System 9 of your ribs have wedges, Gardiner. Jack Phillips _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System Hi all, I am building my ribs as I speak and I did not put a wedge in while building. After ribs were complete I then put wedges in to to measure 4 an 3/4 from the bottom capstrip. Ribs are complete and now I mate them to the spars. Gardiner _____ From: Jack Sent: Wed, October 5, 2011 1:13:14 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System That sounds like a good option. Has anyone out there tried it over spar varnish? Jack DSM _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 8:00 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System Jack: No, now that I read your post with a slightly more alert mind I see that you meant: Stick the fabric down with Polytak and then paint with latex. That ' s a good option and the correct choice of Polyfiber product. Since you are going to use latex anyway why not go with the Stewart ' s sticky stuff instead since it is waterborn and does not use that nasty MEK as a solvent? Stinemetze >>> "Jack" < jack@textors.com > 10/5/2011 3:42 AM >>> Tom, I have not researched well yet, you could be correct. So many options for consideration. Jack DSM _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:16 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System Jack: I suspect you meant Poly Brush as Polytak is a very fast drying substance used to glue the fabric down. We were only allowed to put about 12" at a time down in class in order to get the fabric to soak it up prior to getting too tacky. Stinemetze >>> "Jack" < jack@textors.com > 10/4/2011 12:13 PM >>> Shad, I'm close to covering and seriously considering Latex with (I believe Polytak) to adhere the fabric. Jack DSM http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matro=================== ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:17 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System They all have wedges now. I think it is easier to fill it in after the fact than =0Ato fill in while gluing the whowe thing=0A=0A=0A__________________ ______________=0AFrom: Jack Phillips =0ATo: pietenp ol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, October 5, 2011 8:51:18 PM=0ASubject: RE : Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System=0A=0A =0A9 of your ribs have wedges , Gardiner.=0A =0AJack Phillips=0A =0A =0A=0A______________________________ __=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pi etenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion=0ASent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 7:40 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System=0A =0AHi all, I am building my ribs a s I speak and I did not put a wedge in while =0Abuilding. After ribs were c omplete I then put wedges in to to measure 4 an 3/4 =0Afrom the bottom caps trip.=0ARibs are complete and now I mate them to the spars. Gardiner=0A=0A_ _______________________________=0A =0AFrom:Jack =0ATo: pi etenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, October 5, 2011 1:13:14 PM=0ASubjec t: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System=0AThat sounds like a good opti on. Has anyone out there tried it over spar =0Avarnish?=0AJack=0ADSM=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-serv er@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On B ehalf Of TOM STINEMETZE=0ASent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 8:00 AM=0ATo: p ietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart S ystem=0A =0AJack:=0A =0ANo, now that I read your post with a slightly more alert mind I see that you =0Ameant: Stick the fabric down with Polytak and then paint with latex. That ' s =0Aa good option and the correct choice o f Polyfiber product. Since you are going =0Ato use latex anyway why not go with the Stewart ' s sticky stuff instead since =0Ait is waterborn and doe s not use that nasty MEK as a solvent?=0A =0AStinemetze=0A=0A=0A>>> "Jack" < jack@textors.com > 10/5/2011 3:42 AM >>>=0ATom,=0AI have not researched w ell yet, you could be correct. So many options for =0Aconsideration.=0AJac k=0ADSM=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpo l-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronic s.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE=0ASent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:16 P M=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Stewart System=0A =0AJack:=0A =0AI suspect you meant Poly Brush as Polytak is a very fast drying substance used =0Ato glue the fabric down. We were o nly allowed to put about 12" at a time down =0Ain class in order to get the fabric to soak it up prior to getting too tacky.=0A =0AStinemetze=0A=0A=0A >>> "Jack" < jack@textors.com > 10/4/2011 12:13 PM >>>=0AShad,=0AI=99 m close to covering and seriously considering Latex with (I believe Polytak ) =0Ato adhere the fabric.=0AJack=0ADSM=0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matroni cs.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www. matronics.com/contribution=0A =0Ahttp://www.matro======== =============0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.mat =0A ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:53 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: TheStewart System From: "coxwelljon" the ecobond is great, and doesn't stink. Works great with Latex too! I am planning on using 3M Fastbond 30-NF water based contact cement and Latex paint. I have researched this some and find that Fastbond may be the same product as the Ekobond. I cannot guarantee that but I have a friend that used the stewart system and we are going to do some experimentation with some left over Ekobond and Fastbond. Fastbond is considerably cheaper but hard to find in small quantities. I got mine through Granger (http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/3M-Contact-Adhesive-3XH48) at about $40 per quart. You can get it for around $50 per gal in 5 gal quantities. It comes in green and neutral just like the Stewart System. I plan to use a high grade of white latex for an undercoat as it has the highest percentage of titanium dioxide which is a refractory and reflects ultra violet. (Titanium dioxide is used to get very bright whites and is used in sun screen for UV protection) and then a color coat over that. My friend was quite happy with the Stewart System but found it is very susceptible to humidity at lower temperatures. He got a blush that actually changed the color and had to redo a wing. He is using a maroon base with cream trim He was doing it in the basement of a solar home which only had wood heat. I think the lower temperature meant a higher relative humidity. I know some epoxy formulations will blush at high humidity. -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354156#354156 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.