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1. 05:04 AM - Re: Push Pull Elevator? (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 06:50 AM - Pietenpol builders (olflyr45)
3. 06:50 AM - Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to GA (GliderMike)
4. 07:11 AM - GN-1 accident in CA (AircamperN11MS)
5. 09:27 AM - Re: GN-1 accident in CA (K5YAC)
6. 09:33 AM - Re: GN-1 accident in CA (AircamperN11MS)
7. 09:40 AM - Cabane fittings (Kringle)
8. 10:06 AM - Re: Re: GN-1 accident in CA (Michael Groah)
9. 10:17 AM - Re: Re: GN-1 accident in CA (V Groah)
10. 10:28 AM - Re: GN-1 accident in CA (AircamperN11MS)
11. 11:49 AM - Re: GN-1 accident in CA (Bill Church)
12. 12:11 PM - Re: Re: GN-1 accident in CA (Dave Abramson)
13. 12:15 PM - Re: Cabane fittings (Bill Church)
14. 12:29 PM - Re: Re: GN-1 accident in CA (Bryce Reid)
15. 12:43 PM - Re: Re: GN-1 accident in CA (Charles Campbell)
16. 12:46 PM - Re: Cabane fittings (Kringle)
17. 12:54 PM - Re: Cabane fittings (Bill Church)
18. 01:20 PM - Re: GN-1 accident in CA (K5YAC)
19. 01:33 PM - Re: GN-1 accident in CA (Bill Church)
20. 02:12 PM - Re: GN-1 accident in CA (K5YAC)
21. 02:46 PM - Re: Re: GN-1 accident in CA (Michael Groah)
22. 03:23 PM - Re: Re: GN-1 accident in CA (V Groah)
23. 03:38 PM - Re: GN-1 accident in CA (Bill Church)
24. 07:14 PM - Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to GA (tools)
25. 07:33 PM - Re: Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to GA (jim_markle@mindspring.com)
26. 07:47 PM - Re: Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to GA (Greg Cardinal)
27. 08:43 PM - Re: Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to GA (Dick N)
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| Subject: | Re: Push Pull Elevator? |
To quote Sgt. Shultz: I see nu-thing....I hear nu-thing.....
do not archive
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Thu, Oct 13, 2011 7:33 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Push Pull Elevator?
Cover your eyes, Dan!
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rom: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
kipgadd@earthlink.net
ent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:01 PM
o: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
ubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Push Pull Elevator?
Also, has anyone run the rudder control horn below the elevator to give a
ore straight line to the rudder bar? Again mine is already built that way
nd it seems to me there will be allot of twisting action of the rudder if
ot mounted centered. Thanks in advance!
Chris
Chris,
ttached is how I did mine. I like it but it hasn't flown yet.
ki
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| Subject: | Pietenpol builders |
If you are going to build a Pietenpol you can save 6 months of work. I have a
fuselage frame ready to cover and a complete set of tail surfaces ready to use.
Call 963-6978. Located in East Tennessee.
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| Subject: | Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to GA |
Beautiful airplane, and really nice photos. From the grin on his face, I think
Scott enjoyed the trip as much as you did. :D
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HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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| Subject: | GN-1 accident in CA |
This happened yesterday afternoon. The guy is OK and unhurt. I don't know him
but I believe this airplane to be a steel tube fuselage.
http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stories/ci_19107738
Perhaps someone in NorCal knows him.
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Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
A Continental C-85.
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
Mark,
Do you know the plane? I may have it confused with another one that used to be
near Venture CA.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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The cabane fittings on the 3 piece wing supplement plans appears to be different
than those shown on page 4 of the '34 plans. The '34 plans show an extra tab
on the fitting with a hole drilled in it for attachment of something. Can anyone
explain this to me?
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John
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
I heard Mike Giddings just got that plane.- I'm acquainted him through th
e car hobby.- He had another Piet (not sure if it was a GN 1 or not) that
was involved in an accident on the ground earlier this year where the wing
s were destroyed.- I heard he had bought this one to replace it. =0A=0A
=0AMike Groah=0ATulare CA=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:
AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.co
m=0ASent: Friday, October 14, 2011 9:31 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: G
MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>=0A=0AMark,=0A=0ADo you know the plane?- I
may have it confused with another one that used to be near Venture CA.=0A
=0A--------=0AScott Liefeld=0AFlying N11MS since March 1972=0ASteel Tube=0A
C-85-12=0AWire Wheels=0ABrodhead in 1996=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic onli
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
Is it possible that Mike Giddings has had another acident? The plane he re
cently aquired is a steel frame plane. I do not have Mike's email. If I di
d I would contact him to see how he is doing. I have been aquanted for 20
years. Vic Groah Tulare CA
From: dskogrover@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 accident in CA
I heard Mike Giddings just got that plane. I'm acquainted him through the
car hobby. He had another Piet (not sure if it was a GN 1 or not) that was
involved in an accident on the ground earlier this year where the wings we
re destroyed. I heard he had bought this one to replace it.
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
From: AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
Sent: Friday=2C October 14=2C 2011 9:31 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 accident in CA
y.org>
Mark=2C
Do you know the plane? I may have it confused with another one that used t
o be near Venture CA.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
Let me know what you guys find out. I always hate to see someone have that kind
of bad luck.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
Looks like N762S.
If I recall correctly, this plane was offered for sale not too long ago.
O-200 powered, I believe.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30367102@N03/2846001424/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30367102@N03/2846001392/
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
Hey! That is my buddies hanger in Santa maria!
That plane was in Lompoc, Ca. for a while too!
0-200 powered. he was storing it for a friend and I think it was sold....
Small world!!!!!
Dave
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill
Church
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 11:47 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 accident in CA
Looks like N762S.
If I recall correctly, this plane was offered for sale not too long ago.
O-200 powered, I believe.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30367102@N03/2846001424/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30367102@N03/2846001392/
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane fittings |
John,
The 1934 drawings show the fittings with tabs for the diagonal cross-bracing wires
that run between the front and rear cabanes on the right hand side.
By the time the plans for the 3-piece wing were drawn up, the use of diagonal tube
bracing (running between the upper motor mount fittings and the top ends of
the front cabanes) replaced that diagonal cables, making access to the front
cockpit much easier (but still not easy).
There is a note on the 3-piece wing plan that confirms this.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
Wow that plan was for sale 1/2 mile from me, I was going to buy it but, it
just sold the day before i was going to make an offer. Dose anyone know what
happened?
On Oct 14, 2011 1:52 PM, "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> Looks like N762S.
> If I recall correctly, this plane was offered for sale not too long ago.
> O-200 powered, I believe.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/30367102@N03/2846001424/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/30367102@N03/2846001392/
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> Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
Lost power after takeoff. No other info. C
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From: Bryce Reid
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 accident in CA
Wow that plan was for sale 1/2 mile from me, I was going to buy it
but, it just sold the day before i was going to make an offer. Dose
anyone know what happened?
On Oct 14, 2011 1:52 PM, "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
<billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Looks like N762S.
If I recall correctly, this plane was offered for sale not too long
ago.
O-200 powered, I believe.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30367102@N03/2846001424/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30367102@N03/2846001392/
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane fittings |
I found this pic on westcoastpiet under Jack Textor. Can I assume because he is
using this style fitting he is going to add the wires?
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane fittings |
That sounds like a question for Jack.
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
No, I do not know the airplane or Mr. Giddings.
I looked up a registration of an Air Camper to Mike Giddings and it listed a "Continental
C-85" as the powerplant. I did not realize he had more than one, so
this may have been on his previous airplane. Sorry if I added any confusion.
Hey, at least it wasn't a Corvair, right? This thread would be BLOWING UP if it
were one of those crumby crank snappers. LOL!
If anyone knows what happened to the C-85 (first event I assume) or the O-200,
we'd all be interested in knowing.
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=139227
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
Sure enough, O-200 in that airplane, which is registered as a "Pietenpol Aircamper"
built by Robert Spink.
I found a listing on the C-85 aircraft... registered to Mike Giddens. It was registered
as a "Collins Pietenpol-Parasol", certified in 1981 and had a C-85.
Not sure if that was the other airplane or not... just a listing I found. Can't
find any details on what happened to it though.
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
The c85 powered plane was his first Piet.- It ran away from him after han
d propping and ran between two buildings. Both wings were totally destroyed
.- I think one or two ribs were left unbroken but that was all. All the o
ther ribs and the spars were destroyed.- =0A=0A=0AHere is a pic of the fi
rst Piet:- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: K5YAC
<hangar10@cox.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, Octob
er 14, 2011 2:09 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 accident in CA=0A
re enough, O-200 in that airplane, which is registered as a "Pietenpol Airc
amper" built by Robert Spink.- =0A=0AI found a listing on the C-85 aircra
ft... registered to Mike Giddens.- It was registered as a "Collins Pieten
pol-Parasol", certified in 1981 and had a C-85.- Not sure if that was the
other airplane or not... just a listing I found.- Can't find any details
on what happened to it though.=0A=0A--------=0AMark Chouinard=0AWings, Cen
ter Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
I see several spellings of Mike Giddens but Giddens is the way the name is
spelled in my car club roster. He is listed as living in Novato Ca. Mike
is a great guy and does not deserve this much grief. I am sorry to here o
f this unfortunate incident. Maybe there will be enough parts from the two
planes to make one?? If you are reading this Mike we are sooo sorry for
the mishap. What a huge bummer Vic
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 accident in CA
The c85 powered plane was his first Piet. It ran away from him after hand
propping and ran between two buildings. Both wings were totally destroyed.
I think one or two ribs were left unbroken but that was all. All the other
ribs and the spars were destroyed.
Here is a pic of the first Piet:
From: K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net>
Sent: Friday=2C October 14=2C 2011 2:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 accident in CA
Sure enough=2C O-200 in that airplane=2C which is registered as a "Pietenpo
l Aircamper" built by Robert Spink.
I found a listing on the C-85 aircraft... registered to Mike Giddens. It w
as registered as a "Collins Pietenpol-Parasol"=2C certified in 1981 and had
a C-85. Not sure if that was the other airplane or not... just a listing
I found. Can't find any details on what happened to it though.
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
Mike,
That photo attachment didn't seem to work.
BC
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> The c85 powered plane was his first Piet. It ran away from him after hand propping
and ran between two buildings. Both wings were totally destroyed. I think
one or two ribs were left unbroken but that was all. All the other ribs and
the spars were destroyed.
>
> Here is a pic of the first Piet:
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| Subject: | Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to GA |
Ya, it was clearly a life event. So, guess what I did today?
Keep in mind I have seven THOUSAND flight hours, a couple of type ratings, SEVENTEEN
FORMAL aircraft training programs under my belt, 250 traps, about a thousand
hours of flight engineer time and this is really the first time this has
EVER happened for me....
I went flying for FUN. My son and I jumped in an airplane and flew around waving
at people we know. I didn't have the greatest landing, so I back taxied and
did it again!
One point three hours of just pure fun. Not going anywhere, didn't have to get
there, didn't have any reason to be there but because we wanted to and love to
fly.
I know this may seem a bit mundane to a group that is diametrically opposite...
in that this plane isn't really good for ANY reason other than fun. So I guess
I'm in the right genre.
Insofar as it being a beautiful plane, THANKS, YA, but, send those sentiments to
Dick N! I love it, but have only gotten it more dirty since I've owned it!
Dick built the PERFECT plane for us. And it totally increases my resolve to
build one of my own.
Cheers,
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to |
GA
I'm framing this one....
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to GA
Sent: Oct 14, 2011 10:12 PM
Ya, it was clearly a life event. So, guess what I did today?
Keep in mind I have seven THOUSAND flight hours, a couple of type ratings, SEVENTEEN
FORMAL aircraft training programs under my belt, 250 traps, about a thousand
hours of flight engineer time and this is really the first time this has
EVER happened for me....
I went flying for FUN. My son and I jumped in an airplane and flew around waving
at people we know. I didn't have the greatest landing, so I back taxied and
did it again!
One point three hours of just pure fun. Not going anywhere, didn't have to get
there, didn't have any reason to be there but because we wanted to and love to
fly.
I know this may seem a bit mundane to a group that is diametrically opposite...
in that this plane isn't really good for ANY reason other than fun. So I guess
I'm in the right genre.
Insofar as it being a beautiful plane, THANKS, YA, but, send those sentiments to
Dick N! I love it, but have only gotten it more dirty since I've owned it!
Dick built the PERFECT plane for us. And it totally increases my resolve to
build one of my own.
Cheers,
Tools
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And another one succumbs to the "Pietenpol Enlightenment"...
----- Original Message -----
From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 9:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to
GA
>
> Ya, it was clearly a life event. So, guess what I did today?
>
> Keep in mind I have seven THOUSAND flight hours, a couple of type ratings,
> SEVENTEEN FORMAL aircraft training programs under my belt, 250 traps,
> about a thousand hours of flight engineer time and this is really the
> first time this has EVER happened for me....
>
> I went flying for FUN. My son and I jumped in an airplane and flew around
> waving at people we know. I didn't have the greatest landing, so I back
> taxied and did it again!
>
> One point three hours of just pure fun. Not going anywhere, didn't have
> to get there, didn't have any reason to be there but because we wanted to
> and love to fly.
>
> I know this may seem a bit mundane to a group that is diametrically
> opposite... in that this plane isn't really good for ANY reason other than
> fun. So I guess I'm in the right genre.
>
> Insofar as it being a beautiful plane, THANKS, YA, but, send those
> sentiments to Dick N! I love it, but have only gotten it more dirty since
> I've owned it! Dick built the PERFECT plane for us. And it totally
> increases my resolve to build one of my own.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tools
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355066#355066
>
>
>
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Hi Mike
I'm glad everything went well for you. I am really missing that Piet right
now. Take good care of her.
Dick N
----- Original Message -----
From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 9:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to
GA
>
> Ya, it was clearly a life event. So, guess what I did today?
>
> Keep in mind I have seven THOUSAND flight hours, a couple of type ratings,
> SEVENTEEN FORMAL aircraft training programs under my belt, 250 traps,
> about a thousand hours of flight engineer time and this is really the
> first time this has EVER happened for me....
>
> I went flying for FUN. My son and I jumped in an airplane and flew around
> waving at people we know. I didn't have the greatest landing, so I back
> taxied and did it again!
>
> One point three hours of just pure fun. Not going anywhere, didn't have
> to get there, didn't have any reason to be there but because we wanted to
> and love to fly.
>
> I know this may seem a bit mundane to a group that is diametrically
> opposite... in that this plane isn't really good for ANY reason other than
> fun. So I guess I'm in the right genre.
>
> Insofar as it being a beautiful plane, THANKS, YA, but, send those
> sentiments to Dick N! I love it, but have only gotten it more dirty since
> I've owned it! Dick built the PERFECT plane for us. And it totally
> increases my resolve to build one of my own.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tools
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355066#355066
>
>
>
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