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1. 05:01 AM - Re: Re: Cabane fittings (Jack)
2. 05:05 AM - Re: GN-1 accident in CA (MyrickPiet)
3. 05:11 AM - Re: Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to GA (Jack)
4. 05:45 AM - Re: Cabane fittings (Kringle)
5. 06:18 AM - Landing video. Couple more pics. (tools)
6. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: Cabane fittings (Jack)
7. 07:18 AM - Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to GA (Larry Vetter)
8. 07:19 AM - Re: Cabane fittings (Kringle)
9. 08:27 AM - Re: Cabane fittings (Bill Church)
10. 09:14 AM - Re: Cabane fittings (Kringle)
11. 09:40 AM - Re: Cabane fittings (Kringle)
12. 09:46 AM - Re: Re: Cabane fittings (Gboothe5)
13. 09:48 AM - Re: Re: Cabane fittings (Gboothe5)
14. 10:13 AM - Re: Re: Cabane fittings (Jack)
15. 10:50 AM - cool video (Douwe Blumberg)
16. 11:31 AM - Re: cool video (Kringle)
17. 11:51 AM - Re: Re: cool video (Jim Markle)
18. 01:10 PM - Re: cool video (Dick N)
19. 01:59 PM - Re: cool video (K5YAC)
20. 05:15 PM - cool video (helspersew@aol.com)
21. 05:45 PM - Re: cool video (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
22. 08:08 PM - the siren song of the Aircamper (Oscar Zuniga)
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Subject: | Re: Cabane fittings |
John the tab is for attaching the streamline tube from the fitting forward
to the upper engine mount as Bill described.
Jack
DSM
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 2:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane fittings
I found this pic on westcoastpiet under Jack Textor. Can I assume because
he is using this style fitting he is going to add the wires?
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Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
The plane was actually a Grega but first licenced as a Piet by Mr. Spink. Built
in Florida in 1991. I owned it for some years both in CA and OK and sold it
to Mike last May. He told me about his other Piet and its demise and just wanting
another similar plane. The 0-200 always ran strong, fuel flow was not a
problem unless there wasn't any. Plane had a 12 gal. fuse tank and a 6 gal.
wing tank. Many years ago I also experienced a loss on takeoff after leaving
the selector on "OFF". Luckily we were on a looong runway and got the handle
switched and engine restarted while still over the field. It does get your attention
though. So glad to see that Mike was unhurt.
This was my last pic of the Piet.
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Subject: | Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to |
GA
Dick your old gal is in good hands...
Jack
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 9:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to
GA
Ya, it was clearly a life event. So, guess what I did today?
Keep in mind I have seven THOUSAND flight hours, a couple of type ratings,
SEVENTEEN FORMAL aircraft training programs under my belt, 250 traps, about
a thousand hours of flight engineer time and this is really the first time
this has EVER happened for me....
I went flying for FUN. My son and I jumped in an airplane and flew around
waving at people we know. I didn't have the greatest landing, so I back
taxied and did it again!
One point three hours of just pure fun. Not going anywhere, didn't have to
get there, didn't have any reason to be there but because we wanted to and
love to fly.
I know this may seem a bit mundane to a group that is diametrically
opposite... in that this plane isn't really good for ANY reason other than
fun. So I guess I'm in the right genre.
Insofar as it being a beautiful plane, THANKS, YA, but, send those
sentiments to Dick N! I love it, but have only gotten it more dirty since
I've owned it! Dick built the PERFECT plane for us. And it totally
increases my resolve to build one of my own.
Cheers,
Tools
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Subject: | Re: Cabane fittings |
Jack, I'm a big fan of your craftsmanship but am still confused on this issue.
The "new" three piece wing plans show the fitting without the tab and says "center
strut fittings shown on this print are to be used with diagonal braces down
to the top motor mount fittings". I believe this is what Bill Church was saying
as well. I'm not saying you couldn't make the tabbed fitting work with
the diagonal braces but think it was originally designed for the wire bracing.
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Subject: | Landing video. Couple more pics. |
Scott took this video during one of the landings. We have a lot of organizing
to do!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5dwnPOMDgk
Here's some of the highlights from his camera:
Tornado damage on Lookout Mountain several months ago:
His camera seemed to get the colors better:
This is Muhlenberg Co. KY (Greenville) where we got weathered in a couple hours.
BEAUTIFUL facility, super nice folks, would have sworn we flew in a rare WWI
warbird or something!
Over the shoulder...
Weather JUST cooperated on the last leg!
Ohio Co, where we wanted to go is over there, under that stuff. That's why we
went to Muhlenberg!
Scott couldn't help but notice that mini vans kept passing us.... specific consumers...
Although we did pass a combine on the road once!
Letting down over the last hill! Almost there!
Tools
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Subject: | Re: Cabane fittings |
John as I look closer you may be correct. I fabricated mine from drawing 4
of the original plans, with the tab on the front fittings only. I felt this
was a good way to "connect" to the tubing down to the upper motor mounts. I
didn't see a similar way to do so on the improved plans.
Jack
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 7:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane fittings
Jack, I'm a big fan of your craftsmanship but am still confused on this
issue. The "new" three piece wing plans show the fitting without the tab
and says "center strut fittings shown on this print are to be used with
diagonal braces down to the top motor mount fittings". I believe this is
what Bill Church was saying as well. I'm not saying you couldn't make the
tabbed fitting work with the diagonal braces but think it was originally
designed for the wire bracing.
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Subject: | Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to GA |
Congratulations, I looked at that Piet. at Brodhead, and asked Dick about it when
I got home to see if it had sold.. Glad it went to a good home. Looks like
your having WAY to much fun :D
My brothers Piet. is flying again and now I get to watch him having fun....really
need to work on mine [Rolling Eyes]
Larry
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Subject: | Re: Cabane fittings |
I have been looking through all my saved pictures and haven't found any yet showing
this connection.
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John
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Subject: | Re: Cabane fittings |
John,
You're on your own to come up with the upper connection for the diagonal bracing.
It is not shown in any Pietenpol plans (maybe the Grega plans have something?).
Some builders connect the diagonal bracing to the upper front cabane brackets,
like Jack is doing, and some builders attach to the cabane strut, just below
the fitting. Either method will work. You should be able to find plenty of
relevant photos on westcoastpiet.com .
Probably the reason why there are no details in the Pietenpol plans is that when
BHP used the diagonal bracing (the Last Original), he welded the diagonals to
the cabanes. Thus no need for fittings at the top end. The only catch with this
method is that there is no adjustment, so if the wings need to be shifted
aft (or fore) for W+B, you will need to make new struts.
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/BHP%20Built/images/DSCF0180.JPG
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: Cabane fittings |
Thanks Bill but I would question if that little tab was strong enough.
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Subject: | Re: Cabane fittings |
After putting much thought and research into this conundrum, I decided to do what
Gary Boothe did......tie them together with string. [Wink]
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Subject: | Re: Cabane fittings |
John,
If used as a connection for a forward brace, that tab is probably OK in
normal flight, as it will always be in tension. However, others have
expressed concern about what may happen in a nose-over, or similar incident,
and the tab bends or breaks, and the wing is allowed to shift, causing wing
tank fuel lines to rupture. It is an easy matter to design and build several
alternatives, if you think that is a concern. You are obviously putting
thought into this, so let us know what you come up with.
My struts and braces are wood, so require a different approach...
Gary from Cool
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 9:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane fittings
Thanks Bill but I would question if that little tab was strong enough.
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Subject: | Re: Cabane fittings |
Just use a good grade of string...
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 9:38 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane fittings
After putting much thought and research into this conundrum, I decided to do
what Gary Boothe did......tie them together with string. [Wink]
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John
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Subject: | Re: Cabane fittings |
What Bill said...
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Jack Textor
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 15, 2011, at 10:25 AM, "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
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> John,
> You're on your own to come up with the upper connection for the diagonal bracing.
It is not shown in any Pietenpol plans (maybe the Grega plans have something?).
Some builders connect the diagonal bracing to the upper front cabane brackets,
like Jack is doing, and some builders attach to the cabane strut, just
below the fitting. Either method will work. You should be able to find plenty
of relevant photos on westcoastpiet.com .
> Probably the reason why there are no details in the Pietenpol plans is that when
BHP used the diagonal bracing (the Last Original), he welded the diagonals
to the cabanes. Thus no need for fittings at the top end. The only catch with
this method is that there is no adjustment, so if the wings need to be shifted
aft (or fore) for W+B, you will need to make new struts.
> http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/BHP%20Built/images/DSCF0180.JPG
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> Bill C.
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Hey all,
I usually don't do stuff like this, but thought some of you might find it
interesting. Ck out this link to a very cool piece I'm finishing up and If
you find it interesting, please forward it along to lots of people as we're
trying to get a lot of "hits" on this story hoping that their parent company
Fox will want to do a regular network story on it.
Thanks for your patience!!
Douwe
<http://thedc.com/afghan_911> http://thedc.com/afghan_911
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Awesome Douwe.
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John
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Agree....
Thank You Douwe
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>From: Kringle <Mrkringles@msn.com>
>Sent: Oct 15, 2011 2:28 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cool video
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>Awesome Douwe.
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That was a great video. My first question, are there going to be small
copies of this sculpture available for purchace? If so I would like to
reserve one.
Dick N.
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From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cool video
Hey all,
I usually don't do stuff like this, but thought some of you might find
it interesting. Ck out this link to a very cool piece I'm finishing up
and If you find it interesting, please forward it along to lots of
people as we're trying to get a lot of "hits" on this story hoping that
their parent company Fox will want to do a regular network story on it.
Thanks for your patience!!
Douwe
http://thedc.com/afghan_911
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Very nice Douwe.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Wow Douwe,
That is very cool. Gave me chills. An awesome sculpture. Hope to be able to
see it near Ground Zero some day. Congratulations!!.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Really Cool Douwe.
The studio looked kinda barren with no Piet sitting in the middle of it,
but I guess I can understand the change in the layout, sculpture and all.
Actually that's just too cool, congratulations and what an honor to be
selected for such a project, like Dan says WOW! I am impressed.
and if miniatures should become available, put me in right above Dick N on
the list for my copy.
Great Job and thanks for sharing
John
This is worth archiving at least once
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Subject: | the siren song of the Aircamper |
Yes, Tools has fallen for the same lady that the rest of us have.
I'm an engineer. Logical, rational, methodical. And yet, I
fall for the lure of the open cockpit and the "scent of an airplane"
that comes from the wood and fabric of my Pietenpol, without rhyme
or reason. It's the perfect elixir of avgas, exhaust, wood, and
some sublime mixture that Ray Stits or Bernard Pietenpol or
somebody came up with in a back room somewhere. Heck, for all I
know there is a John Stromberg and a Fred Continental who also
sat in the room and sprinkled some kind of pixie dust in the vial
to come up with the intoxicating stuff. It comes out of these
old airplanes, from their exhausts and cockpits and propwashes,
and fills our senses and leads us around on a leash like puppies.
Whatever it is, it's more potent than wine, women, or song. It's
what keeps pulling us back to the hangar, to the cockpit, to the
prop, throttle, and stick.
We go nowhere on these flights... we start and end up at the same place. It's
like a ride that ends too soon but the next one is only as far away
as the hangar door and the fuel valve, so we can keep going back
again and again. We fly the same routine, feel the same sensations
through the wires and controls, feel the same blast of air on our
faces, but each time it's new again, and perfect. There is just no
explanation for what it is about flying these old airplanes.
But I'm preaching to the choir here. Also missing my airplane, very much.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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