---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 10/15/11: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:01 AM - Re: Re: Cabane fittings (Jack) 2. 05:05 AM - Re: GN-1 accident in CA (MyrickPiet) 3. 05:11 AM - Re: Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to GA (Jack) 4. 05:45 AM - Re: Cabane fittings (Kringle) 5. 06:18 AM - Landing video. Couple more pics. (tools) 6. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: Cabane fittings (Jack) 7. 07:18 AM - Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to GA (Larry Vetter) 8. 07:19 AM - Re: Cabane fittings (Kringle) 9. 08:27 AM - Re: Cabane fittings (Bill Church) 10. 09:14 AM - Re: Cabane fittings (Kringle) 11. 09:40 AM - Re: Cabane fittings (Kringle) 12. 09:46 AM - Re: Re: Cabane fittings (Gboothe5) 13. 09:48 AM - Re: Re: Cabane fittings (Gboothe5) 14. 10:13 AM - Re: Re: Cabane fittings (Jack) 15. 10:50 AM - cool video (Douwe Blumberg) 16. 11:31 AM - Re: cool video (Kringle) 17. 11:51 AM - Re: Re: cool video (Jim Markle) 18. 01:10 PM - Re: cool video (Dick N) 19. 01:59 PM - Re: cool video (K5YAC) 20. 05:15 PM - cool video (helspersew@aol.com) 21. 05:45 PM - Re: cool video (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 22. 08:08 PM - the siren song of the Aircamper (Oscar Zuniga) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:57 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane fittings John the tab is for attaching the streamline tube from the fitting forward to the upper engine mount as Bill described. Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 2:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane fittings I found this pic on westcoastpiet under Jack Textor. Can I assume because he is using this style fitting he is going to add the wires? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355032#355032 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cabane_fitting_166.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:33 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 accident in CA From: "MyrickPiet" The plane was actually a Grega but first licenced as a Piet by Mr. Spink. Built in Florida in 1991. I owned it for some years both in CA and OK and sold it to Mike last May. He told me about his other Piet and its demise and just wanting another similar plane. The 0-200 always ran strong, fuel flow was not a problem unless there wasn't any. Plane had a 12 gal. fuse tank and a 6 gal. wing tank. Many years ago I also experienced a loss on takeoff after leaving the selector on "OFF". Luckily we were on a looong runway and got the handle switched and engine restarted while still over the field. It does get your attention though. So glad to see that Mike was unhurt. This was my last pic of the Piet. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355090#355090 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/gedc0757_852.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:54 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to GA Dick your old gal is in good hands... Jack DSM Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 9:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to GA Ya, it was clearly a life event. So, guess what I did today? Keep in mind I have seven THOUSAND flight hours, a couple of type ratings, SEVENTEEN FORMAL aircraft training programs under my belt, 250 traps, about a thousand hours of flight engineer time and this is really the first time this has EVER happened for me.... I went flying for FUN. My son and I jumped in an airplane and flew around waving at people we know. I didn't have the greatest landing, so I back taxied and did it again! One point three hours of just pure fun. Not going anywhere, didn't have to get there, didn't have any reason to be there but because we wanted to and love to fly. I know this may seem a bit mundane to a group that is diametrically opposite... in that this plane isn't really good for ANY reason other than fun. So I guess I'm in the right genre. Insofar as it being a beautiful plane, THANKS, YA, but, send those sentiments to Dick N! I love it, but have only gotten it more dirty since I've owned it! Dick built the PERFECT plane for us. And it totally increases my resolve to build one of my own. Cheers, Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355066#355066 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:46 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane fittings From: "Kringle" Jack, I'm a big fan of your craftsmanship but am still confused on this issue. The "new" three piece wing plans show the fitting without the tab and says "center strut fittings shown on this print are to be used with diagonal braces down to the top motor mount fittings". I believe this is what Bill Church was saying as well. I'm not saying you couldn't make the tabbed fitting work with the diagonal braces but think it was originally designed for the wire bracing. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355097#355097 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing video. Couple more pics. From: "tools" Scott took this video during one of the landings. We have a lot of organizing to do! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5dwnPOMDgk Here's some of the highlights from his camera: Tornado damage on Lookout Mountain several months ago: His camera seemed to get the colors better: This is Muhlenberg Co. KY (Greenville) where we got weathered in a couple hours. BEAUTIFUL facility, super nice folks, would have sworn we flew in a rare WWI warbird or something! Over the shoulder... Weather JUST cooperated on the last leg! Ohio Co, where we wanted to go is over there, under that stuff. That's why we went to Muhlenberg! Scott couldn't help but notice that mini vans kept passing us.... specific consumers... Although we did pass a combine on the road once! Letting down over the last hill! Almost there! Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355101#355101 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:51 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane fittings John as I look closer you may be correct. I fabricated mine from drawing 4 of the original plans, with the tab on the front fittings only. I felt this was a good way to "connect" to the tubing down to the upper motor mounts. I didn't see a similar way to do so on the improved plans. Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 7:43 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane fittings Jack, I'm a big fan of your craftsmanship but am still confused on this issue. The "new" three piece wing plans show the fitting without the tab and says "center strut fittings shown on this print are to be used with diagonal braces down to the top motor mount fittings". I believe this is what Bill Church was saying as well. I'm not saying you couldn't make the tabbed fitting work with the diagonal braces but think it was originally designed for the wire bracing. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355097#355097 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:41 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to GA From: "Larry Vetter" Congratulations, I looked at that Piet. at Brodhead, and asked Dick about it when I got home to see if it had sold.. Glad it went to a good home. Looks like your having WAY to much fun :D My brothers Piet. is flying again and now I get to watch him having fun....really need to work on mine [Rolling Eyes] Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355108#355108 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:14 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane fittings From: "Kringle" I have been looking through all my saved pictures and haven't found any yet showing this connection. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355109#355109 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane fittings From: "Bill Church" John, You're on your own to come up with the upper connection for the diagonal bracing. It is not shown in any Pietenpol plans (maybe the Grega plans have something?). Some builders connect the diagonal bracing to the upper front cabane brackets, like Jack is doing, and some builders attach to the cabane strut, just below the fitting. Either method will work. You should be able to find plenty of relevant photos on westcoastpiet.com . Probably the reason why there are no details in the Pietenpol plans is that when BHP used the diagonal bracing (the Last Original), he welded the diagonals to the cabanes. Thus no need for fittings at the top end. The only catch with this method is that there is no adjustment, so if the wings need to be shifted aft (or fore) for W+B, you will need to make new struts. http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/BHP%20Built/images/DSCF0180.JPG Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355114#355114 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane fittings From: "Kringle" Thanks Bill but I would question if that little tab was strong enough. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355117#355117 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane fittings From: "Kringle" After putting much thought and research into this conundrum, I decided to do what Gary Boothe did......tie them together with string. [Wink] -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355119#355119 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/center_section_support_1_113.jpg ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:26 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane fittings John, If used as a connection for a forward brace, that tab is probably OK in normal flight, as it will always be in tension. However, others have expressed concern about what may happen in a nose-over, or similar incident, and the tab bends or breaks, and the wing is allowed to shift, causing wing tank fuel lines to rupture. It is an easy matter to design and build several alternatives, if you think that is a concern. You are obviously putting thought into this, so let us know what you come up with. My struts and braces are wood, so require a different approach... Gary from Cool -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 9:12 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane fittings Thanks Bill but I would question if that little tab was strong enough. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355117#355117 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:14 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane fittings Just use a good grade of string... Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 9:38 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane fittings After putting much thought and research into this conundrum, I decided to do what Gary Boothe did......tie them together with string. [Wink] -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355119#355119 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/center_section_support_1_113.jpg ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane fittings From: Jack What Bill said... Do not archive Jack Textor Sent from my iPhone On Oct 15, 2011, at 10:25 AM, "Bill Church" wrote: > > John, > You're on your own to come up with the upper connection for the diagonal bracing. It is not shown in any Pietenpol plans (maybe the Grega plans have something?). Some builders connect the diagonal bracing to the upper front cabane brackets, like Jack is doing, and some builders attach to the cabane strut, just below the fitting. Either method will work. You should be able to find plenty of relevant photos on westcoastpiet.com . > Probably the reason why there are no details in the Pietenpol plans is that when BHP used the diagonal bracing (the Last Original), he welded the diagonals to the cabanes. Thus no need for fittings at the top end. The only catch with this method is that there is no adjustment, so if the wings need to be shifted aft (or fore) for W+B, you will need to make new struts. > http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/BHP%20Built/images/DSCF0180.JPG > > Bill C. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355114#355114 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:01 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: cool video Hey all, I usually don't do stuff like this, but thought some of you might find it interesting. Ck out this link to a very cool piece I'm finishing up and If you find it interesting, please forward it along to lots of people as we're trying to get a lot of "hits" on this story hoping that their parent company Fox will want to do a regular network story on it. Thanks for your patience!! Douwe http://thedc.com/afghan_911 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cool video From: "Kringle" Awesome Douwe. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355131#355131 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:51:15 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: cool video Agree.... Thank You Douwe -----Original Message----- >From: Kringle >Sent: Oct 15, 2011 2:28 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cool video > > >Awesome Douwe. > >-------- >John > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355131#355131 > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:40 PM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cool video That was a great video. My first question, are there going to be small copies of this sculpture available for purchace? If so I would like to reserve one. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg To: pietenpolgroup Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: cool video Hey all, I usually don't do stuff like this, but thought some of you might find it interesting. Ck out this link to a very cool piece I'm finishing up and If you find it interesting, please forward it along to lots of people as we're trying to get a lot of "hits" on this story hoping that their parent company Fox will want to do a regular network story on it. Thanks for your patience!! Douwe http://thedc.com/afghan_911 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:23 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cool video From: "K5YAC" Very nice Douwe. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355144#355144 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:25 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: cool video From: helspersew@aol.com Wow Douwe, That is very cool. Gave me chills. An awesome sculpture. Hope to be able to see it near Ground Zero some day. Congratulations!!. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:14 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cool video Really Cool Douwe. The studio looked kinda barren with no Piet sitting in the middle of it, but I guess I can understand the change in the layout, sculpture and all. Actually that's just too cool, congratulations and what an honor to be selected for such a project, like Dan says WOW! I am impressed. and if miniatures should become available, put me in right above Dick N on the list for my copy. Great Job and thanks for sharing John This is worth archiving at least once ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:43 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: the siren song of the Aircamper Yes, Tools has fallen for the same lady that the rest of us have. I'm an engineer. Logical, rational, methodical. And yet, I fall for the lure of the open cockpit and the "scent of an airplane" that comes from the wood and fabric of my Pietenpol, without rhyme or reason. It's the perfect elixir of avgas, exhaust, wood, and some sublime mixture that Ray Stits or Bernard Pietenpol or somebody came up with in a back room somewhere. Heck, for all I know there is a John Stromberg and a Fred Continental who also sat in the room and sprinkled some kind of pixie dust in the vial to come up with the intoxicating stuff. It comes out of these old airplanes, from their exhausts and cockpits and propwashes, and fills our senses and leads us around on a leash like puppies. Whatever it is, it's more potent than wine, women, or song. It's what keeps pulling us back to the hangar, to the cockpit, to the prop, throttle, and stick. We go nowhere on these flights... we start and end up at the same place. It's like a ride that ends too soon but the next one is only as far away as the hangar door and the fuel valve, so we can keep going back again and again. We fly the same routine, feel the same sensations through the wires and controls, feel the same blast of air on our faces, but each time it's new again, and perfect. There is just no explanation for what it is about flying these old airplanes. But I'm preaching to the choir here. Also missing my airplane, very much. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford, OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.