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1. 06:53 AM - Re: Siren song of the Aircamper: Young Eagles (coxwelljon)
2. 07:32 AM - Re: Re: Siren song of the Aircamper: Young Eagles (Bryan Reed)
3. 08:51 AM - Sheet metal for cowlings and combings. (Scott Knowlton)
4. 08:53 AM - so i have been using poplar (Kyle85)
5. 09:06 AM - Re: so i have been using poplar (kevinpurtee)
6. 09:36 AM - Re: so i have been using poplar (Marvin Haught)
7. 09:50 AM - Re: Re: so i have been using poplar (Steve Emo)
8. 09:54 AM - Re: so i have been using poplar (Dave Nielsen)
9. 10:01 AM - Re: so i have been using poplar (Jim Markle)
10. 10:01 AM - Re: so i have been using poplar (Jim Markle)
11. 11:27 AM - Re: the siren song of the Aircamper (tools)
12. 12:23 PM - Re: Sheet metal for cowlings and combings. (Jack Phillips)
13. 12:34 PM - Re: so i have been using poplar (bender)
14. 01:09 PM - Re: Re: so i have been using poplar (Marvin Haught)
15. 01:38 PM - Re: so i have been using poplar (Bryan Reed)
16. 02:55 PM - Another "New To List" Guy (DaveG601XL)
17. 04:18 PM - Re: Another "New To List" Guy (shad bell)
18. 04:28 PM - Re: Another "New To List" Guy (Charles Campbell)
19. 04:29 PM - Re: Another "New To List" Guy (Michael Perez)
20. 04:44 PM - Re: Re: so i have been using poplar (Gboothe5)
21. 04:53 PM - Re: Sheet metal for cowlings and combings. (Gboothe5)
22. 05:23 PM - Re: so i have been using poplar (Gboothe5)
23. 05:57 PM - Re: Another "New To List" Guy (Bill Church)
24. 06:00 PM - Re: Sheet metal for cowlings and combings. (Bill Church)
25. 09:21 PM - Re: cool video (IT Girl)
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| Subject: | Re: Siren song of the Aircamper: Young Eagles |
Ben,
That is a great story. I am so glad to hear that you are willing to spend time
getting the interest of young people. They are our future.
Taking your mother for a ride in a Piet, what an experience. I'll bet she considers
you the most capable pilot she has ever know!
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: Siren song of the Aircamper: Young Eagles |
I was involved in the Young Eagles program here in Phoenix when a
Southwest Airlines pilot and member of the Tuskegee Airmen Association set
up an event at Glendale Airport (GEU). It was a reward
for scholastically achieving inner-city youth. When over 100 kids showed up
we had to make phone calls to ask more pilots to come in.
It was one of the most rewarding things I have ever been involved in.
For most of the kids it was their first flight ever. They had not even been
on a commercial flight. Since I only had a lowly 172 at the time and not one
of the cooler airplanes, I did not have the passenger load of some of the
others. Because of this I also took most of my fares up with one or more
parents.
Many of the flights were very emotional events. I managed 6-flights that
morning and truly felt like I was making a difference in their lives. The
flight and people involved from Tuskegee had a theme that anything was
possible. The kids (and parents) left with that thought instilled and all
seemed to truly believe. At the end of the day in talking with the other
pilots I am not sure who actually got the most from the day's event but I
was confident that many of the kids would go on and achieve good things in
life.
Cheers and CAVU (Ceiling And Visibility Unlimited)
Bryan
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 6:50 AM, coxwelljon <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>wrote:
> coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
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> Ben,
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> That is a great story. I am so glad to hear that you are willing to spend
> time getting the interest of young people. They are our future.
>
> Taking your mother for a ride in a Piet, what an experience. I'll bet she
> considers you the most capable pilot she has ever know!
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Sheet metal for cowlings and combings. |
Gents, I had a small incident with my Stinson yesterday when a wind gust blew the
passenger door open and against the boot cowl causing a small hole. I decided
to order a full sheet of material so that after fabricating the patch I will
have sufficient mterial remaining for the cowlings of my piet.
What material are most using for cowlings? 2024, 6061 or 7075? 032 or 040?
Thanks!
Scott Knowlton
Burlington Ontario
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| Subject: | so i have been using poplar |
I am sweating pretty good right now. A co-worker of mine who is an IA told me that
Without increasing the dimensions of my lumber(poplar) that there is no way that
my airplane will pass an airworthiness inspection. My grain runout is one in
thirty or better
And eight rings per inch. I have tested a piece from every board for density and
failure modulus. There really isn't any nearby eaa chapters around me, so maybe
You guys could shed some light on this. Thanks
Kyle
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| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
FWIW: my DAR would pass you with no issues.
do not archive
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
Try this site -
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19930091423_1993091423.pdf
A definitive report on wood for aircraft use. Just do your research and
document it, document your wood purchases with sample of each piece used
in the construction and I doubt you will have a problem as long as you
have evidence of the wood you are used meets the specs for aircraft
use. The standard are out there, and while some areas are subject to
interpretation, the standards are there. If you can show that each
piece of wood you used in your airplane meets the minimum specs and have
the evidence that it meets specs, the DAR has no grounds upon which to
deny you an airworthiness certificate. What he is likely looking for is
exactly what you will provide him - hard data upon which he can base his
decision and evidence that he made an informed decision in approving
your construction. It has been a while since I studied that document,
but if my memory serves me correctly, the tables, with a little study
and head scratching will determine if you need to upsize, downsize or
whatever in your choice of wood for aircraft use.
M. Haught
On 10/17/2011 10:50 AM, Kyle85 wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kyle85"<boschkyle@hotmail.com>
>
> I am sweating pretty good right now. A co-worker of mine who is an IA told me
that
> Without increasing the dimensions of my lumber(poplar) that there is no way that
my airplane will pass an airworthiness inspection. My grain runout is one
in thirty or better
> And eight rings per inch. I have tested a piece from every board for density
and failure modulus. There really isn't any nearby eaa chapters around me, so
maybe
> You guys could shed some light on this. Thanks
> Kyle
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355279#355279
>
>
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H.Marvin Haught Jr.
Haught& Associates, Inc
Huntsville, AR 72740
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| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
It is labeled experimental. Therefore deviations from the plans are acceptable.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 17, 2011, at 12:04 PM, "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
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> FWIW: my DAR would pass you with no issues.
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> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
I hate to stick my neck out here, but here goes. You are building an experi
mental aircraft. You can build it outta concrete or balsa wood if you want
to. One won't fly and the other would probably kill you. However, you can d
o it if you want to. Poplar is somewhere in between. The DAR shouldn't have
a problem with your airplane. I've built four planes and the DAR just was
interested in the paper work. I used spruce.
"Bat Cave" Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Marvin Haught <handainc@madisoncounty.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 12:36 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: so i have been using poplar
.net>
Try this site -
ttp://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19930091423_1993091423.
pdf
A definitive report on wood for aircraft use. Just do your research and
ocument it, document your wood purchases with sample of each piece used
n the construction and I doubt you will have a problem as long as you
ave evidence of the wood you are used meets the specs for aircraft
se. The standard are out there, and while some areas are subject to
nterpretation, the standards are there. If you can show that each
iece of wood you used in your airplane meets the minimum specs and have
he evidence that it meets specs, the DAR has no grounds upon which to
eny you an airworthiness certificate. What he is likely looking for is
xactly what you will provide him - hard data upon which he can base his
ecision and evidence that he made an informed decision in approving
our construction. It has been a while since I studied that document,
ut if my memory serves me correctly, the tables, with a little study
nd head scratching will determine if you need to upsize, downsize or
hatever in your choice of wood for aircraft use.
M. Haught
On 10/17/2011 10:50 AM, Kyle85 wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kyle85"<boschkyle@hotmail.com>
I am sweating pretty good right now. A co-worker of mine who is an IA told
me
hat
Without increasing the dimensions of my lumber(poplar) that there is no wa
y
hat my airplane will pass an airworthiness inspection. My grain runout is o
ne
n thirty or better
And eight rings per inch. I have tested a piece from every board for densi
ty
nd failure modulus. There really isn't any nearby eaa chapters around me, s
o
aybe
You guys could shed some light on this. Thanks
Kyle
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aught& Associates, Inc
untsville, AR 72740
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| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
I have the same problem with not having an EAA chapter nearby. In fact, it costs
me $$$ to have a Tech Counselor come by and look over my project. But EVERY
time one comes by (I've had at least 5 inspections) they see something I've
missed or didn't realize needed attention. And they quite often tell me where
to stop worrying about stuff and leave it "as is". So actually, it doesn't cost
anything in the grand scheme of things.
And as a result, I have learned a LOT from the 43.13 documentation!
I've had to redo a couple parts because of those visits but it was much more fun
to rebuild early rather than later! And not have to wonder......
Please figure out a way to get a Tech Counselor by to give your project a look.
You really don't want to put your rear end in a plane that hasn't been looked
over a few times by a Tech Counselor....REALLY looked over by someone who can
help you make this is great experience!
JM
-----Original Message-----
>From: Kyle85 <boschkyle@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Oct 17, 2011 10:50 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: so i have been using poplar
>
>
>I am sweating pretty good right now. A co-worker of mine who is an IA told me
that
>Without increasing the dimensions of my lumber(poplar) that there is no way that
my airplane will pass an airworthiness inspection. My grain runout is one in
thirty or better
>And eight rings per inch. I have tested a piece from every board for density and
failure modulus. There really isn't any nearby eaa chapters around me, so maybe
>You guys could shed some light on this. Thanks
>Kyle
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355279#355279
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
I have the same problem with not having an EAA chapter nearby. In fact, it costs
me $$$ to have a Tech Counselor come by and look over my project. But EVERY
time one comes by (I've had at least 5 inspections) they see something I've
missed or didn't realize needed attention. And they quite often tell me where
to stop worrying about stuff and leave it "as is". So actually, it doesn't cost
anything in the grand scheme of things.
And as a result, I have learned a LOT from the 43.13 documentation!
I've had to redo a couple parts because of those visits but it was much more fun
to rebuild early rather than later! And not have to wonder......
Please figure out a way to get a Tech Counselor by to give your project a look.
You really don't want to put your rear end in a plane that hasn't been looked
over a few times by a Tech Counselor....REALLY looked over by someone who can
help you make this is great experience!
JM
-----Original Message-----
>From: Kyle85 <boschkyle@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Oct 17, 2011 10:50 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: so i have been using poplar
>
>
>I am sweating pretty good right now. A co-worker of mine who is an IA told me
that
>Without increasing the dimensions of my lumber(poplar) that there is no way that
my airplane will pass an airworthiness inspection. My grain runout is one in
thirty or better
>And eight rings per inch. I have tested a piece from every board for density and
failure modulus. There really isn't any nearby eaa chapters around me, so maybe
>You guys could shed some light on this. Thanks
>Kyle
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355279#355279
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: the siren song of the Aircamper |
Wow... that's pretty cool! There's "High Flight" and now this. Bravo!
I think I'm going to put that somewhere in my plane. Woodburn it into a seat back,
something like that. Just seems sort of appropriate.
Tools
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| Subject: | Sheet metal for cowlings and combings. |
Scott, I had to do some cowling work on my Cessna 140 some years ago and its
cowling used the same meterial I did on my Pietenpol, 2024-T3 Alclad, 0.025"
thick. I don't know what Stinson used, but I'll bet it was similar.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Knowlton
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sheet metal for cowlings and combings.
<flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
Gents, I had a small incident with my Stinson yesterday when a wind gust
blew the passenger door open and against the boot cowl causing a small hole.
I decided to order a full sheet of material so that after fabricating the
patch I will have sufficient mterial remaining for the cowlings of my piet.
What material are most using for cowlings? 2024, 6061 or 7075? 032 or 040?
Thanks!
Scott Knowlton
Burlington Ontario
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| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
I'm an IA and i'm using poplar...
there is no "airworthy" inspecton...thats why you fly a test period to prove it
will work
you're using an approved wood species ...and it's an experimental plane
remember in the F&G manual Mr Pietenpol says the ship could be lighter throughout
and he built on the side of ruggedness
an IA is not the FAA or a DAR...
i've met a few that had their own ideas of right and wrong
many of the A&P friends i have look at the piet after working on corporate jets
and think i'm crazy...
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
Well, I'm not an authority, but according to this document
http://www.eaa206.org/tech_pdf/Certify_Homebuilt_Airplane.pdf
- an airworthiness inspection IS required for a homebuilt aircraft.
And I do know that every airplane I know of that has flown in our
chapter had an airworthiness inspection by either a DAR or an FAA
inspector. My understanding is that the airworthiness inspection is
required prior to flying off the test period.
M. Haught
On 10/17/2011 2:32 PM, bender wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bender"<jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
>
> I'm an IA and i'm using poplar...
> there is no "airworthy" inspecton...thats why you fly a test period to prove
it will work
> you're using an approved wood species ...and it's an experimental plane
> remember in the F&G manual Mr Pietenpol says the ship could be lighter throughout
and he built on the side of ruggedness
>
> an IA is not the FAA or a DAR...
> i've met a few that had their own ideas of right and wrong
>
> many of the A&P friends i have look at the piet after working on corporate jets
and think i'm crazy...
>
> jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355307#355307
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>
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H.Marvin Haught Jr.
Haught& Associates, Inc
Huntsville, AR 72740
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| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
Jeff said:
"many of the A&P friends i have look at the piet after working on corporate jets
and think i'm crazy... "
Well are you?? Inquiring minds want to know. : )
I'm sorry but you can't blame me for responding to openings that you could drive
a truck through. I just wasn't raised that way. : )
See ya,
Bryan
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| Subject: | Another "New To List" Guy |
We have another introduction of a new guy to the Pietenpol List. I am Dave Gallagher
from the Cincinnati, Ohio area and I have recently assumed a partially
built project from my father. As I review the paperwork, it appears I am the
7th owner and it was N-numbered and certified and may have actually flown back
in the early 1970s. The paperwork calls it a Pietenpol, but it looks more GN-1
to me. Right now I have a fuselage on solid axle gear, but no wheels, completed
tail feathers, spar material and wing ribs. I also have an A-65-8F engine
that was overhauled many years ago, but never run since.
The airplane started in Nebraska as N14474 by David Booth in 1973. I actually
see that number show up in an excel file of Pietenpol aircraft that I found on
a Matronics archive search. The FAA registry site says that number was decertified
in 1976. The airplane, or what was left of it, then went to Alabama, then
to Louisiana, then Texas, then back to that same guy in Louisiana and then
to my father in Illinois. My father got it by answering an ad placed in the
September 1982 Sport Aviation. I think I have bills of sale and names for almost
every previous transaction loosely thrown in a box that I need to sort through.
It has two sets of GN-1 plans and one set of Pietenpol plans. All appear
to be well used with corners worn or ripped off. If by chance anyone here
knows of the Booth Pietenpol N14474, I would be curious if it did ever fly.
My father and brother made all the wing ribs and got spars ready and well as overhauled
the engine in the first few years after the 1982 purchase. My brother
even hand carved a mahogany prop for it back in our college apartment those
many years back. My brother is quite talented and Mr. Helsper of this list will
recognize him as his former neighbor, Tim Gallagher, from down the road at
Poplar Grove. Unfortunately, as the years went by, the project ground to a halt
and sat in my fathers garage for almost three decades. Now that the ravages
of time are catching up with my father, he is in no shape to even think about
building an airplane anymore. I didnt know if my brother ever thought about
taking it on, but when he recently jumped into a Taylorcraft BC-12 restoration
I figured I would give it a go. I asked my father if I could assume the project
and hopefully get it flying. He gave me an offer I could not refuse and
I loaded the project on a trailer last weekend for the drive to Ohio. I have
a lot of inventory and inspection work to do before I start anything on this airplane.
At least for now I can sit in it and make airplane noises! I recently
got to see the Ohio based Emo and Bell Pietenpols and took a lot of pictures.
I look forward to seeing a lot of you at Brodhead this summer.
I will be searching archives and lurking a lot on this list while I take in the
scope of building a wood and fabric airplane. I have already gleaned a lot of
good information to get my project started. My experience to date was to build
a Zenith 601XL that I currently fly out of Lebanon/Warren County Airport,
Ohio.
This should be an interesting ride and I will have plenty of questions along the
way. Here are a couple of pictures of what I loaded up on the trailer.
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL: flying, 200+ hours now
Next project: Pietenpol/GN-1
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| Subject: | Re: Another "New To List" Guy |
Dave, Looks like you are well on your way.- There is a lot of compleated
work in those photos.- Like you said, Do a really thorough inspection of
all parts, clean up and checking everything is "to the plans", and no major
changes to the structure were done.- We all add our personel touch to ou
r creations, as long as the major structure is as designed procede forth an
d fly that machine some day.
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Shad
NX92GB
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| Subject: | Re: Another "New To List" Guy |
>From the looks of the metal fittings -- especially the engine mount
fittings -- it's a GN-1. I have a combination. The wing ribs, the engine
mount fittings, the steerable tail wheel fitting on the rudder are all GN-1.
The rest is primarily Pietenpol. I had access to a set of GN-1 plans and
started my wing ribs before I got my Pietenpol plans. Reason for the
differences.
----- Original Message -----
From: "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher@ge.com>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 5:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another "New To List" Guy
> <david.m.gallagher@ge.com>
>
> We have another introduction of a new guy to the Pietenpol List. I am
> Dave Gallagher from the Cincinnati, Ohio area and I have recently assumed
> a partially built project from my father. As I review the paperwork, it
> appears I am the 7th owner and it was N-numbered and certified and may
> have actually flown back in the early 1970?Ts. The paperwork calls it a
> Pietenpol, but it looks more GN-1 to me. Right now I have a fuselage on
> solid axle gear, but no wheels, completed tail feathers, spar material and
> wing ribs. I also have an A-65-8F engine that was overhauled many years
> ago, but never run since.
>
> The airplane started in Nebraska as N14474 by David Booth in 1973. I
> actually see that number show up in an excel file of Pietenpol aircraft
> that I found on a Matronics archive search. The FAA registry site says
> that number was decertified in 1976. The airplane, or what was left of
> it, then went to Alabama, then to Louisiana, then Texas, then back to that
> same guy in Louisiana and then to my father in Illinois. My father got it
> by answering an ad placed in the September 1982 Sport Aviation. I think I
> have bills of sale and names for almost every previous transaction loosely
> thrown in a box that I need to sort through. It has two sets of GN-1
> plans and one set of Pietenpol plans. All appear to be well used with
> corners worn or ripped off. If by chance anyone here knows of the Booth
> Pietenpol N14474, I would be curious if it did ever fly.
>
> My father and brother made all the wing ribs and got spars ready and well
> as overhauled the engine in the first few years after the 1982 purchase.
> My brother even hand carved a mahogany prop for it back in our college
> apartment those many years back. My brother is quite talented and Mr.
> Helsper of this list will recognize him as his former neighbor, Tim
> Gallagher, from down the road at Poplar Grove. Unfortunately, as the
> years went by, the project ground to a halt and sat in my father?Ts
> garage for almost three decades. Now that the ravages of time are
> catching up with my father, he is in no shape to even think about building
> an airplane anymore. I didn?Tt know if my brother ever thought about
> taking it on, but when he recently jumped into a Taylorcraft BC-12
> restoration I figured I would give it a go. I asked my father if I could
> assume the project and hopefully get it flying. He gave me an offer I
> could not refuse and I loaded the project on a trailer last weekend!
> for the drive to Ohio. I have a lot of inventory and inspection work to
> do before I start anything on this airplane. At least for now I can sit
> in it and make airplane noises! I recently got to see the Ohio based Emo
> and Bell Pietenpol?Ts and took a lot of pictures. I look forward to
> seeing a lot of you at Brodhead this summer.
>
> I will be searching archives and lurking a lot on this list while I take
> in the scope of building a wood and fabric airplane. I have already
> gleaned a lot of good information to get my project started. My
> experience to date was to build a Zenith 601XL that I currently fly out of
> Lebanon/Warren County Airport, Ohio.
>
> This should be an interesting ride and I will have plenty of questions
> along the way. Here are a couple of pictures of what I loaded up on the
> trailer.
>
> --------
> David Gallagher
> 601 XL: flying, 200+ hours now
> Next project: Pietenpol/GN-1
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another "New To List" Guy |
Hello Dave and welcome to the list!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Mon, 10/17/11, DaveG601XL <david.m.gallagher@ge.com> wrote:
> From: DaveG601XL <david.m.gallagher@ge.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another "New To List" Guy
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Monday, October 17, 2011, 5:52 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher@ge.com>
>
> We have another introduction of a new guy to the Pietenpol
> List. I am Dave Gallagher from the Cincinnati, Ohio
> area and I have recently assumed a partially built project
> from my father. As I review the paperwork, it appears
> I am the 7th owner and it was N-numbered and certified and
> may have actually flown back in the early
> 1970s. The paperwork calls it a Pietenpol, but
> it looks more GN-1 to me. Right now I have a fuselage
> on solid axle gear, but no wheels, completed tail feathers,
> spar material and wing ribs. I also have an A-65-8F
> engine that was overhauled many years ago, but never run
> since.
>
> The airplane started in Nebraska as N14474 by David Booth
> in 1973. I actually see that number show up in an
> excel file of Pietenpol aircraft that I found on a Matronics
> archive search. The FAA registry site says that number
> was decertified in 1976. The airplane, or what was
> left of it, then went to Alabama, then to Louisiana, then
> Texas, then back to that same guy in Louisiana and then to
> my father in Illinois. My father got it by answering
> an ad placed in the September 1982 Sport Aviation. I
> think I have bills of sale and names for almost every
> previous transaction loosely thrown in a box that I need to
> sort through. It has two sets of GN-1 plans and one
> set of Pietenpol plans. All appear to be well used
> with corners worn or ripped off. If by chance anyone
> here knows of the Booth Pietenpol N14474, I would be curious
> if it did ever fly.
>
> My father and brother made all the wing ribs and got spars
> ready and well as overhauled the engine in the first few
> years after the 1982 purchase. My brother even hand
> carved a mahogany prop for it back in our college apartment
> those many years back. My brother is quite talented
> and Mr. Helsper of this list will recognize him as his
> former neighbor, Tim Gallagher, from down the road at Poplar
> Grove. Unfortunately, as the years went by, the
> project ground to a halt and sat in my fathers
> garage for almost three decades. Now that the ravages
> of time are catching up with my father, he is in no shape to
> even think about building an airplane anymore. I
> didnt know if my brother ever thought about taking
> it on, but when he recently jumped into a Taylorcraft BC-12
> restoration I figured I would give it a go. I asked my
> father if I could assume the project and hopefully get it
> flying. He gave me an offer I could not refuse and I
> loaded the project on a trailer last weekend!
> for the drive to Ohio. I have a lot of
> inventory and inspection work to do before I start anything
> on this airplane. At least for now I can sit in it and
> make airplane noises! I recently got to see the Ohio
> based Emo and Bell Pietenpols and took a lot of
> pictures. I look forward to seeing a lot of you at
> Brodhead this summer.
>
> I will be searching archives and lurking a lot on this list
> while I take in the scope of building a wood and fabric
> airplane. I have already gleaned a lot of good
> information to get my project started. My experience
> to date was to build a Zenith 601XL that I currently fly out
> of Lebanon/Warren County Airport, Ohio.
>
> This should be an interesting ride and I will have plenty
> of questions along the way. Here are a couple of
> pictures of what I loaded up on the trailer.
>
> --------
> David Gallagher
> 601 XL: flying, 200+ hours now
> Next project: Pietenpol/GN-1
>
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
Marvin,
You are partially right. Yes, you do apply for an Airworthiness Cert, but,
after the inspection, you get a Special Airworthiness Cert., when it moves
into Phase I testing, which may have been what Jeff was implying.
Gary from Cool
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marvin
Haught
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: so i have been using poplar
<handainc@madisoncounty.net>
Well, I'm not an authority, but according to this document
http://www.eaa206.org/tech_pdf/Certify_Homebuilt_Airplane.pdf
- an airworthiness inspection IS required for a homebuilt aircraft.
And I do know that every airplane I know of that has flown in our
chapter had an airworthiness inspection by either a DAR or an FAA
inspector. My understanding is that the airworthiness inspection is
required prior to flying off the test period.
M. Haught
On 10/17/2011 2:32 PM, bender wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
"bender"<jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
>
> I'm an IA and i'm using poplar...
> there is no "airworthy" inspecton...thats why you fly a test period to
prove it will work
> you're using an approved wood species ...and it's an experimental plane
> remember in the F&G manual Mr Pietenpol says the ship could be lighter
throughout and he built on the side of ruggedness
>
> an IA is not the FAA or a DAR...
> i've met a few that had their own ideas of right and wrong
>
> many of the A&P friends i have look at the piet after working on corporate
jets and think i'm crazy...
>
> jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355307#355307
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>
--
H.Marvin Haught Jr.
Haught& Associates, Inc
Huntsville, AR 72740
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| Subject: | Sheet metal for cowlings and combings. |
Scott,
My cowling is 6061 .025, only 'cuz that's what I had. If I had to buy some,
it would probably be 2024 .025.
Gary from Cool
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Knowlton
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 8:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sheet metal for cowlings and combings.
<flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
Gents, I had a small incident with my Stinson yesterday when a wind gust
blew the passenger door open and against the boot cowl causing a small hole.
I decided to order a full sheet of material so that after fabricating the
patch I will have sufficient mterial remaining for the cowlings of my piet.
What material are most using for cowlings? 2024, 6061 or 7075? 032 or 040?
Thanks!
Scott Knowlton
Burlington Ontario
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| Subject: | so i have been using poplar |
Kyle,
One other clarification...If you were repairing a certified A/C and wanted
to substitute Poplar; Yes, you may very well have to increase dimension. Is
it possible that your IA is submersed in certified A/C? and not thinking
experimental? I suspect so...
Gary from Cool
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kyle85
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 8:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: so i have been using poplar
I am sweating pretty good right now. A co-worker of mine who is an IA told
me that
Without increasing the dimensions of my lumber(poplar) that there is no way
that my airplane will pass an airworthiness inspection. My grain runout is
one in thirty or better
And eight rings per inch. I have tested a piece from every board for density
and failure modulus. There really isn't any nearby eaa chapters around me,
so maybe
You guys could shed some light on this. Thanks
Kyle
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| Subject: | Re: Another "New To List" Guy |
Hi Dave.
Welcome to the group. Sounds like you have already done some homework.
What you have there definitely looks like a GN-1. The fully sheeted plywood fuselage
sides are a dead giveaway. First off, I'd suggest getting the router out,
and cutting away most of the plywood for the last two bays (as was already done
with the ones ahead of them) to get rid of some of that weight towards the
tail. Alternately, you could remove all of the sheeting rear of the rear cockpit,
and replace that plywood with small gussets per the Pietenpol plans - but
that's a lot of yucky work. I think the best feature of your GN-1 is the landing
gear, because it has been built so that the rear gear legs align with the
rear lift strut attach points. By making that change, your plane will look balanced.
In my opinion (which you didn't even ask for) the "to the plans" GN-1 landing
gear just doesn't look right... and that's because it wasn't even intended
for the plane. That landing gear was intended for a J-3 Cub, which it suits
perfectly. But the builder of your project has avoided that issue, by building
gear that is made to fit the plane. I think this is the first GN-1 that I've
seen that has the old Jenny style straight axle gear. Very interesting. The
cabane fittings and the front end of the wing ribs also look very GN-1ish.
Nice that you will be able to complete the project that your Dad intended to complete
all those years ago. Hopefully he will be able to build vicariously through
you.
Okay, start thinking up your questions for the group.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Sheet metal for cowlings and combings. |
6061 would probably be a little more difficult to shape than some of the other
alloys - especially if in a higher temper (like T5 or T6).
Bill C.
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wow... awesome piece.. thanks so much for sharing.
--------
Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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