---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 10/17/11: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:53 AM - Re: Siren song of the Aircamper: Young Eagles (coxwelljon) 2. 07:32 AM - Re: Re: Siren song of the Aircamper: Young Eagles (Bryan Reed) 3. 08:51 AM - Sheet metal for cowlings and combings. (Scott Knowlton) 4. 08:53 AM - so i have been using poplar (Kyle85) 5. 09:06 AM - Re: so i have been using poplar (kevinpurtee) 6. 09:36 AM - Re: so i have been using poplar (Marvin Haught) 7. 09:50 AM - Re: Re: so i have been using poplar (Steve Emo) 8. 09:54 AM - Re: so i have been using poplar (Dave Nielsen) 9. 10:01 AM - Re: so i have been using poplar (Jim Markle) 10. 10:01 AM - Re: so i have been using poplar (Jim Markle) 11. 11:27 AM - Re: the siren song of the Aircamper (tools) 12. 12:23 PM - Re: Sheet metal for cowlings and combings. (Jack Phillips) 13. 12:34 PM - Re: so i have been using poplar (bender) 14. 01:09 PM - Re: Re: so i have been using poplar (Marvin Haught) 15. 01:38 PM - Re: so i have been using poplar (Bryan Reed) 16. 02:55 PM - Another "New To List" Guy (DaveG601XL) 17. 04:18 PM - Re: Another "New To List" Guy (shad bell) 18. 04:28 PM - Re: Another "New To List" Guy (Charles Campbell) 19. 04:29 PM - Re: Another "New To List" Guy (Michael Perez) 20. 04:44 PM - Re: Re: so i have been using poplar (Gboothe5) 21. 04:53 PM - Re: Sheet metal for cowlings and combings. (Gboothe5) 22. 05:23 PM - Re: so i have been using poplar (Gboothe5) 23. 05:57 PM - Re: Another "New To List" Guy (Bill Church) 24. 06:00 PM - Re: Sheet metal for cowlings and combings. (Bill Church) 25. 09:21 PM - Re: cool video (IT Girl) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:19 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Siren song of the Aircamper: Young Eagles From: "coxwelljon" Ben, That is a great story. I am so glad to hear that you are willing to spend time getting the interest of young people. They are our future. Taking your mother for a ride in a Piet, what an experience. I'll bet she considers you the most capable pilot she has ever know! -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355271#355271 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Siren song of the Aircamper: Young Eagles From: Bryan Reed I was involved in the Young Eagles program here in Phoenix when a Southwest Airlines pilot and member of the Tuskegee Airmen Association set up an event at Glendale Airport (GEU). It was a reward for scholastically achieving inner-city youth. When over 100 kids showed up we had to make phone calls to ask more pilots to come in. It was one of the most rewarding things I have ever been involved in. For most of the kids it was their first flight ever. They had not even been on a commercial flight. Since I only had a lowly 172 at the time and not one of the cooler airplanes, I did not have the passenger load of some of the others. Because of this I also took most of my fares up with one or more parents. Many of the flights were very emotional events. I managed 6-flights that morning and truly felt like I was making a difference in their lives. The flight and people involved from Tuskegee had a theme that anything was possible. The kids (and parents) left with that thought instilled and all seemed to truly believe. At the end of the day in talking with the other pilots I am not sure who actually got the most from the day's event but I was confident that many of the kids would go on and achieve good things in life. Cheers and CAVU (Ceiling And Visibility Unlimited) Bryan On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 6:50 AM, coxwelljon wrote: > coxwelljon@frontiernet.net> > > Ben, > > That is a great story. I am so glad to hear that you are willing to spend > time getting the interest of young people. They are our future. > > Taking your mother for a ride in a Piet, what an experience. I'll bet she > considers you the most capable pilot she has ever know! > > -------- > Jon Coxwell > GN-1 Builder > Recycle and preserve the planet > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355271#355271 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:51 AM PST US From: "Scott Knowlton " Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sheet metal for cowlings and combings. Gents, I had a small incident with my Stinson yesterday when a wind gust blew the passenger door open and against the boot cowl causing a small hole. I decided to order a full sheet of material so that after fabricating the patch I will have sufficient mterial remaining for the cowlings of my piet. What material are most using for cowlings? 2024, 6061 or 7075? 032 or 040? Thanks! Scott Knowlton Burlington Ontario ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: so i have been using poplar From: "Kyle85" I am sweating pretty good right now. A co-worker of mine who is an IA told me that Without increasing the dimensions of my lumber(poplar) that there is no way that my airplane will pass an airworthiness inspection. My grain runout is one in thirty or better And eight rings per inch. I have tested a piece from every board for density and failure modulus. There really isn't any nearby eaa chapters around me, so maybe You guys could shed some light on this. Thanks Kyle Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355279#355279 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:23 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: so i have been using poplar From: "kevinpurtee" FWIW: my DAR would pass you with no issues. do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355285#355285 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:36:38 AM PST US From: Marvin Haught Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: so i have been using poplar Try this site - http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19930091423_1993091423.pdf A definitive report on wood for aircraft use. Just do your research and document it, document your wood purchases with sample of each piece used in the construction and I doubt you will have a problem as long as you have evidence of the wood you are used meets the specs for aircraft use. The standard are out there, and while some areas are subject to interpretation, the standards are there. If you can show that each piece of wood you used in your airplane meets the minimum specs and have the evidence that it meets specs, the DAR has no grounds upon which to deny you an airworthiness certificate. What he is likely looking for is exactly what you will provide him - hard data upon which he can base his decision and evidence that he made an informed decision in approving your construction. It has been a while since I studied that document, but if my memory serves me correctly, the tables, with a little study and head scratching will determine if you need to upsize, downsize or whatever in your choice of wood for aircraft use. M. Haught On 10/17/2011 10:50 AM, Kyle85 wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kyle85" > > I am sweating pretty good right now. A co-worker of mine who is an IA told me that > Without increasing the dimensions of my lumber(poplar) that there is no way that my airplane will pass an airworthiness inspection. My grain runout is one in thirty or better > And eight rings per inch. I have tested a piece from every board for density and failure modulus. There really isn't any nearby eaa chapters around me, so maybe > You guys could shed some light on this. Thanks > Kyle > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355279#355279 > > -- H.Marvin Haught Jr. Haught& Associates, Inc Huntsville, AR 72740 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:54 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: so i have been using poplar From: Steve Emo It is labeled experimental. Therefore deviations from the plans are acceptable. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 17, 2011, at 12:04 PM, "kevinpurtee" wrote: > > FWIW: my DAR would pass you with no issues. > > do not archive > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355285#355285 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: so i have been using poplar From: Dave Nielsen I hate to stick my neck out here, but here goes. You are building an experi mental aircraft. You can build it outta concrete or balsa wood if you want to. One won't fly and the other would probably kill you. However, you can d o it if you want to. Poplar is somewhere in between. The DAR shouldn't have a problem with your airplane. I've built four planes and the DAR just was interested in the paper work. I used spruce. "Bat Cave" Dave -----Original Message----- From: Marvin Haught Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 12:36 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: so i have been using poplar .net> Try this site - ttp://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19930091423_1993091423. pdf A definitive report on wood for aircraft use. Just do your research and ocument it, document your wood purchases with sample of each piece used n the construction and I doubt you will have a problem as long as you ave evidence of the wood you are used meets the specs for aircraft se. The standard are out there, and while some areas are subject to nterpretation, the standards are there. If you can show that each iece of wood you used in your airplane meets the minimum specs and have he evidence that it meets specs, the DAR has no grounds upon which to eny you an airworthiness certificate. What he is likely looking for is xactly what you will provide him - hard data upon which he can base his ecision and evidence that he made an informed decision in approving our construction. It has been a while since I studied that document, ut if my memory serves me correctly, the tables, with a little study nd head scratching will determine if you need to upsize, downsize or hatever in your choice of wood for aircraft use. M. Haught On 10/17/2011 10:50 AM, Kyle85 wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kyle85" I am sweating pretty good right now. A co-worker of mine who is an IA told me hat Without increasing the dimensions of my lumber(poplar) that there is no wa y hat my airplane will pass an airworthiness inspection. My grain runout is o ne n thirty or better And eight rings per inch. I have tested a piece from every board for densi ty nd failure modulus. There really isn't any nearby eaa chapters around me, s o aybe You guys could shed some light on this. Thanks Kyle Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355279#355279 - .Marvin Haught Jr. aught& Associates, Inc untsville, AR 72740 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:37 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: so i have been using poplar I have the same problem with not having an EAA chapter nearby. In fact, it costs me $$$ to have a Tech Counselor come by and look over my project. But EVERY time one comes by (I've had at least 5 inspections) they see something I've missed or didn't realize needed attention. And they quite often tell me where to stop worrying about stuff and leave it "as is". So actually, it doesn't cost anything in the grand scheme of things. And as a result, I have learned a LOT from the 43.13 documentation! I've had to redo a couple parts because of those visits but it was much more fun to rebuild early rather than later! And not have to wonder...... Please figure out a way to get a Tech Counselor by to give your project a look. You really don't want to put your rear end in a plane that hasn't been looked over a few times by a Tech Counselor....REALLY looked over by someone who can help you make this is great experience! JM -----Original Message----- >From: Kyle85 >Sent: Oct 17, 2011 10:50 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: so i have been using poplar > > >I am sweating pretty good right now. A co-worker of mine who is an IA told me that >Without increasing the dimensions of my lumber(poplar) that there is no way that my airplane will pass an airworthiness inspection. My grain runout is one in thirty or better >And eight rings per inch. I have tested a piece from every board for density and failure modulus. There really isn't any nearby eaa chapters around me, so maybe >You guys could shed some light on this. Thanks >Kyle > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355279#355279 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:01:58 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: so i have been using poplar I have the same problem with not having an EAA chapter nearby. In fact, it costs me $$$ to have a Tech Counselor come by and look over my project. But EVERY time one comes by (I've had at least 5 inspections) they see something I've missed or didn't realize needed attention. And they quite often tell me where to stop worrying about stuff and leave it "as is". So actually, it doesn't cost anything in the grand scheme of things. And as a result, I have learned a LOT from the 43.13 documentation! I've had to redo a couple parts because of those visits but it was much more fun to rebuild early rather than later! And not have to wonder...... Please figure out a way to get a Tech Counselor by to give your project a look. You really don't want to put your rear end in a plane that hasn't been looked over a few times by a Tech Counselor....REALLY looked over by someone who can help you make this is great experience! JM -----Original Message----- >From: Kyle85 >Sent: Oct 17, 2011 10:50 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: so i have been using poplar > > >I am sweating pretty good right now. A co-worker of mine who is an IA told me that >Without increasing the dimensions of my lumber(poplar) that there is no way that my airplane will pass an airworthiness inspection. My grain runout is one in thirty or better >And eight rings per inch. I have tested a piece from every board for density and failure modulus. There really isn't any nearby eaa chapters around me, so maybe >You guys could shed some light on this. Thanks >Kyle > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355279#355279 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: the siren song of the Aircamper From: "tools" Wow... that's pretty cool! There's "High Flight" and now this. Bravo! I think I'm going to put that somewhere in my plane. Woodburn it into a seat back, something like that. Just seems sort of appropriate. Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355303#355303 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:23:05 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sheet metal for cowlings and combings. Scott, I had to do some cowling work on my Cessna 140 some years ago and its cowling used the same meterial I did on my Pietenpol, 2024-T3 Alclad, 0.025" thick. I don't know what Stinson used, but I'll bet it was similar. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Knowlton Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sheet metal for cowlings and combings. Gents, I had a small incident with my Stinson yesterday when a wind gust blew the passenger door open and against the boot cowl causing a small hole. I decided to order a full sheet of material so that after fabricating the patch I will have sufficient mterial remaining for the cowlings of my piet. What material are most using for cowlings? 2024, 6061 or 7075? 032 or 040? Thanks! Scott Knowlton Burlington Ontario ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:34:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: so i have been using poplar From: "bender" I'm an IA and i'm using poplar... there is no "airworthy" inspecton...thats why you fly a test period to prove it will work you're using an approved wood species ...and it's an experimental plane remember in the F&G manual Mr Pietenpol says the ship could be lighter throughout and he built on the side of ruggedness an IA is not the FAA or a DAR... i've met a few that had their own ideas of right and wrong many of the A&P friends i have look at the piet after working on corporate jets and think i'm crazy... jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355307#355307 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:32 PM PST US From: Marvin Haught Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: so i have been using poplar Well, I'm not an authority, but according to this document http://www.eaa206.org/tech_pdf/Certify_Homebuilt_Airplane.pdf - an airworthiness inspection IS required for a homebuilt aircraft. And I do know that every airplane I know of that has flown in our chapter had an airworthiness inspection by either a DAR or an FAA inspector. My understanding is that the airworthiness inspection is required prior to flying off the test period. M. Haught On 10/17/2011 2:32 PM, bender wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bender" > > I'm an IA and i'm using poplar... > there is no "airworthy" inspecton...thats why you fly a test period to prove it will work > you're using an approved wood species ...and it's an experimental plane > remember in the F&G manual Mr Pietenpol says the ship could be lighter throughout and he built on the side of ruggedness > > an IA is not the FAA or a DAR... > i've met a few that had their own ideas of right and wrong > > many of the A&P friends i have look at the piet after working on corporate jets and think i'm crazy... > > jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355307#355307 > > -- H.Marvin Haught Jr. Haught& Associates, Inc Huntsville, AR 72740 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: so i have been using poplar From: "Bryan Reed" Jeff said: "many of the A&P friends i have look at the piet after working on corporate jets and think i'm crazy... " Well are you?? Inquiring minds want to know. : ) I'm sorry but you can't blame me for responding to openings that you could drive a truck through. I just wasn't raised that way. : ) See ya, Bryan -------- While I may not always be right, I apologize well. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355310#355310 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another "New To List" Guy From: "DaveG601XL" We have another introduction of a new guy to the Pietenpol List. I am Dave Gallagher from the Cincinnati, Ohio area and I have recently assumed a partially built project from my father. As I review the paperwork, it appears I am the 7th owner and it was N-numbered and certified and may have actually flown back in the early 1970s. The paperwork calls it a Pietenpol, but it looks more GN-1 to me. Right now I have a fuselage on solid axle gear, but no wheels, completed tail feathers, spar material and wing ribs. I also have an A-65-8F engine that was overhauled many years ago, but never run since. The airplane started in Nebraska as N14474 by David Booth in 1973. I actually see that number show up in an excel file of Pietenpol aircraft that I found on a Matronics archive search. The FAA registry site says that number was decertified in 1976. The airplane, or what was left of it, then went to Alabama, then to Louisiana, then Texas, then back to that same guy in Louisiana and then to my father in Illinois. My father got it by answering an ad placed in the September 1982 Sport Aviation. I think I have bills of sale and names for almost every previous transaction loosely thrown in a box that I need to sort through. It has two sets of GN-1 plans and one set of Pietenpol plans. All appear to be well used with corners worn or ripped off. If by chance anyone here knows of the Booth Pietenpol N14474, I would be curious if it did ever fly. My father and brother made all the wing ribs and got spars ready and well as overhauled the engine in the first few years after the 1982 purchase. My brother even hand carved a mahogany prop for it back in our college apartment those many years back. My brother is quite talented and Mr. Helsper of this list will recognize him as his former neighbor, Tim Gallagher, from down the road at Poplar Grove. Unfortunately, as the years went by, the project ground to a halt and sat in my fathers garage for almost three decades. Now that the ravages of time are catching up with my father, he is in no shape to even think about building an airplane anymore. I didnt know if my brother ever thought about taking it on, but when he recently jumped into a Taylorcraft BC-12 restoration I figured I would give it a go. I asked my father if I could assume the project and hopefully get it flying. He gave me an offer I could not refuse and I loaded the project on a trailer last weekend for the drive to Ohio. I have a lot of inventory and inspection work to do before I start anything on this airplane. At least for now I can sit in it and make airplane noises! I recently got to see the Ohio based Emo and Bell Pietenpols and took a lot of pictures. I look forward to seeing a lot of you at Brodhead this summer. I will be searching archives and lurking a lot on this list while I take in the scope of building a wood and fabric airplane. I have already gleaned a lot of good information to get my project started. My experience to date was to build a Zenith 601XL that I currently fly out of Lebanon/Warren County Airport, Ohio. This should be an interesting ride and I will have plenty of questions along the way. Here are a couple of pictures of what I loaded up on the trailer. -------- David Gallagher 601 XL: flying, 200+ hours now Next project: Pietenpol/GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355315#355315 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1023_201.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1020_195.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1010_827.jpg ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:18:58 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another "New To List" Guy Dave, Looks like you are well on your way.- There is a lot of compleated work in those photos.- Like you said, Do a really thorough inspection of all parts, clean up and checking everything is "to the plans", and no major changes to the structure were done.- We all add our personel touch to ou r creations, as long as the major structure is as designed procede forth an d fly that machine some day. - Shad NX92GB ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:49 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another "New To List" Guy >From the looks of the metal fittings -- especially the engine mount fittings -- it's a GN-1. I have a combination. The wing ribs, the engine mount fittings, the steerable tail wheel fitting on the rudder are all GN-1. The rest is primarily Pietenpol. I had access to a set of GN-1 plans and started my wing ribs before I got my Pietenpol plans. Reason for the differences. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DaveG601XL" Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 5:52 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another "New To List" Guy > > > We have another introduction of a new guy to the Pietenpol List. I am > Dave Gallagher from the Cincinnati, Ohio area and I have recently assumed > a partially built project from my father. As I review the paperwork, it > appears I am the 7th owner and it was N-numbered and certified and may > have actually flown back in the early 1970?Ts. The paperwork calls it a > Pietenpol, but it looks more GN-1 to me. Right now I have a fuselage on > solid axle gear, but no wheels, completed tail feathers, spar material and > wing ribs. I also have an A-65-8F engine that was overhauled many years > ago, but never run since. > > The airplane started in Nebraska as N14474 by David Booth in 1973. I > actually see that number show up in an excel file of Pietenpol aircraft > that I found on a Matronics archive search. The FAA registry site says > that number was decertified in 1976. The airplane, or what was left of > it, then went to Alabama, then to Louisiana, then Texas, then back to that > same guy in Louisiana and then to my father in Illinois. My father got it > by answering an ad placed in the September 1982 Sport Aviation. I think I > have bills of sale and names for almost every previous transaction loosely > thrown in a box that I need to sort through. It has two sets of GN-1 > plans and one set of Pietenpol plans. All appear to be well used with > corners worn or ripped off. If by chance anyone here knows of the Booth > Pietenpol N14474, I would be curious if it did ever fly. > > My father and brother made all the wing ribs and got spars ready and well > as overhauled the engine in the first few years after the 1982 purchase. > My brother even hand carved a mahogany prop for it back in our college > apartment those many years back. My brother is quite talented and Mr. > Helsper of this list will recognize him as his former neighbor, Tim > Gallagher, from down the road at Poplar Grove. Unfortunately, as the > years went by, the project ground to a halt and sat in my father?Ts > garage for almost three decades. Now that the ravages of time are > catching up with my father, he is in no shape to even think about building > an airplane anymore. I didn?Tt know if my brother ever thought about > taking it on, but when he recently jumped into a Taylorcraft BC-12 > restoration I figured I would give it a go. I asked my father if I could > assume the project and hopefully get it flying. He gave me an offer I > could not refuse and I loaded the project on a trailer last weekend! > for the drive to Ohio. I have a lot of inventory and inspection work to > do before I start anything on this airplane. At least for now I can sit > in it and make airplane noises! I recently got to see the Ohio based Emo > and Bell Pietenpol?Ts and took a lot of pictures. I look forward to > seeing a lot of you at Brodhead this summer. > > I will be searching archives and lurking a lot on this list while I take > in the scope of building a wood and fabric airplane. I have already > gleaned a lot of good information to get my project started. My > experience to date was to build a Zenith 601XL that I currently fly out of > Lebanon/Warren County Airport, Ohio. > > This should be an interesting ride and I will have plenty of questions > along the way. Here are a couple of pictures of what I loaded up on the > trailer. > > -------- > David Gallagher > 601 XL: flying, 200+ hours now > Next project: Pietenpol/GN-1 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355315#355315 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1023_201.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1020_195.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1010_827.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:58 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another "New To List" Guy Hello Dave and welcome to the list! Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com --- On Mon, 10/17/11, DaveG601XL wrote: > From: DaveG601XL > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another "New To List" Guy > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Monday, October 17, 2011, 5:52 PM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: "DaveG601XL" > > We have another introduction of a new guy to the Pietenpol > List. I am Dave Gallagher from the Cincinnati, Ohio > area and I have recently assumed a partially built project > from my father. As I review the paperwork, it appears > I am the 7th owner and it was N-numbered and certified and > may have actually flown back in the early > 1970s. The paperwork calls it a Pietenpol, but > it looks more GN-1 to me. Right now I have a fuselage > on solid axle gear, but no wheels, completed tail feathers, > spar material and wing ribs. I also have an A-65-8F > engine that was overhauled many years ago, but never run > since. > > The airplane started in Nebraska as N14474 by David Booth > in 1973. I actually see that number show up in an > excel file of Pietenpol aircraft that I found on a Matronics > archive search. The FAA registry site says that number > was decertified in 1976. The airplane, or what was > left of it, then went to Alabama, then to Louisiana, then > Texas, then back to that same guy in Louisiana and then to > my father in Illinois. My father got it by answering > an ad placed in the September 1982 Sport Aviation. I > think I have bills of sale and names for almost every > previous transaction loosely thrown in a box that I need to > sort through. It has two sets of GN-1 plans and one > set of Pietenpol plans. All appear to be well used > with corners worn or ripped off. If by chance anyone > here knows of the Booth Pietenpol N14474, I would be curious > if it did ever fly. > > My father and brother made all the wing ribs and got spars > ready and well as overhauled the engine in the first few > years after the 1982 purchase. My brother even hand > carved a mahogany prop for it back in our college apartment > those many years back. My brother is quite talented > and Mr. Helsper of this list will recognize him as his > former neighbor, Tim Gallagher, from down the road at Poplar > Grove. Unfortunately, as the years went by, the > project ground to a halt and sat in my fathers > garage for almost three decades. Now that the ravages > of time are catching up with my father, he is in no shape to > even think about building an airplane anymore. I > didnt know if my brother ever thought about taking > it on, but when he recently jumped into a Taylorcraft BC-12 > restoration I figured I would give it a go. I asked my > father if I could assume the project and hopefully get it > flying. He gave me an offer I could not refuse and I > loaded the project on a trailer last weekend! > for the drive to Ohio. I have a lot of > inventory and inspection work to do before I start anything > on this airplane. At least for now I can sit in it and > make airplane noises! I recently got to see the Ohio > based Emo and Bell Pietenpols and took a lot of > pictures. I look forward to seeing a lot of you at > Brodhead this summer. > > I will be searching archives and lurking a lot on this list > while I take in the scope of building a wood and fabric > airplane. I have already gleaned a lot of good > information to get my project started. My experience > to date was to build a Zenith 601XL that I currently fly out > of Lebanon/Warren County Airport, Ohio. > > This should be an interesting ride and I will have plenty > of questions along the way. Here are a couple of > pictures of what I loaded up on the trailer. > > -------- > David Gallagher > 601 XL: flying, 200+ hours now > Next project: Pietenpol/GN-1 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355315#355315 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1023_201.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1020_195.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1010_827.jpg > > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:33 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: so i have been using poplar Marvin, You are partially right. Yes, you do apply for an Airworthiness Cert, but, after the inspection, you get a Special Airworthiness Cert., when it moves into Phase I testing, which may have been what Jeff was implying. Gary from Cool -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marvin Haught Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 1:07 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: so i have been using poplar Well, I'm not an authority, but according to this document http://www.eaa206.org/tech_pdf/Certify_Homebuilt_Airplane.pdf - an airworthiness inspection IS required for a homebuilt aircraft. And I do know that every airplane I know of that has flown in our chapter had an airworthiness inspection by either a DAR or an FAA inspector. My understanding is that the airworthiness inspection is required prior to flying off the test period. M. Haught On 10/17/2011 2:32 PM, bender wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bender" > > I'm an IA and i'm using poplar... > there is no "airworthy" inspecton...thats why you fly a test period to prove it will work > you're using an approved wood species ...and it's an experimental plane > remember in the F&G manual Mr Pietenpol says the ship could be lighter throughout and he built on the side of ruggedness > > an IA is not the FAA or a DAR... > i've met a few that had their own ideas of right and wrong > > many of the A&P friends i have look at the piet after working on corporate jets and think i'm crazy... > > jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355307#355307 > > -- H.Marvin Haught Jr. Haught& Associates, Inc Huntsville, AR 72740 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:40 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sheet metal for cowlings and combings. Scott, My cowling is 6061 .025, only 'cuz that's what I had. If I had to buy some, it would probably be 2024 .025. Gary from Cool -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Knowlton Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 8:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sheet metal for cowlings and combings. Gents, I had a small incident with my Stinson yesterday when a wind gust blew the passenger door open and against the boot cowl causing a small hole. I decided to order a full sheet of material so that after fabricating the patch I will have sufficient mterial remaining for the cowlings of my piet. What material are most using for cowlings? 2024, 6061 or 7075? 032 or 040? Thanks! Scott Knowlton Burlington Ontario ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:19 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: so i have been using poplar Kyle, One other clarification...If you were repairing a certified A/C and wanted to substitute Poplar; Yes, you may very well have to increase dimension. Is it possible that your IA is submersed in certified A/C? and not thinking experimental? I suspect so... Gary from Cool -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kyle85 Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 8:50 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: so i have been using poplar I am sweating pretty good right now. A co-worker of mine who is an IA told me that Without increasing the dimensions of my lumber(poplar) that there is no way that my airplane will pass an airworthiness inspection. My grain runout is one in thirty or better And eight rings per inch. I have tested a piece from every board for density and failure modulus. There really isn't any nearby eaa chapters around me, so maybe You guys could shed some light on this. Thanks Kyle Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355279#355279 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another "New To List" Guy From: "Bill Church" Hi Dave. Welcome to the group. Sounds like you have already done some homework. What you have there definitely looks like a GN-1. The fully sheeted plywood fuselage sides are a dead giveaway. First off, I'd suggest getting the router out, and cutting away most of the plywood for the last two bays (as was already done with the ones ahead of them) to get rid of some of that weight towards the tail. Alternately, you could remove all of the sheeting rear of the rear cockpit, and replace that plywood with small gussets per the Pietenpol plans - but that's a lot of yucky work. I think the best feature of your GN-1 is the landing gear, because it has been built so that the rear gear legs align with the rear lift strut attach points. By making that change, your plane will look balanced. In my opinion (which you didn't even ask for) the "to the plans" GN-1 landing gear just doesn't look right... and that's because it wasn't even intended for the plane. That landing gear was intended for a J-3 Cub, which it suits perfectly. But the builder of your project has avoided that issue, by building gear that is made to fit the plane. I think this is the first GN-1 that I've seen that has the old Jenny style straight axle gear. Very interesting. The cabane fittings and the front end of the wing ribs also look very GN-1ish. Nice that you will be able to complete the project that your Dad intended to complete all those years ago. Hopefully he will be able to build vicariously through you. Okay, start thinking up your questions for the group. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355343#355343 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sheet metal for cowlings and combings. From: "Bill Church" 6061 would probably be a little more difficult to shape than some of the other alloys - especially if in a higher temper (like T5 or T6). Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355344#355344 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cool video From: "IT Girl" wow... awesome piece.. thanks so much for sharing. -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355363#355363 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.