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1. 03:45 AM - Re: Another museum Piet (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 05:19 AM - Handheld Radio Mounting (pineymb)
3. 05:33 AM - Re: Another museum Piet (Gboothe5)
4. 05:47 AM - Re: Handheld Radio Mounting (skipgadd@earthlink.net)
5. 06:19 AM - Re: Handheld Radio Mounting (John Hofmann)
6. 06:43 AM - Re: Another museum Piet (helspersew@aol.com)
7. 07:49 AM - Re: Piet in the news Down Under (AircamperN11MS)
8. 07:49 AM - Re: Handheld Radio Mounting (Jerry Dotson)
9. 08:35 AM - Re: Another museum Piet (Bill Church)
10. 09:14 AM - Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (Michael Perez)
11. 10:09 AM - Re: Re: Another museum Piet (helspersew@aol.com)
12. 10:10 AM - Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (Jack)
13. 10:15 AM - Re: Handheld Radio Mounting (Andrew Eldredge)
14. 10:48 AM - Re: Handheld Radio Mounting (Hans Van Der Voort)
15. 11:03 AM - Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (Jack Phillips)
16. 11:18 AM - Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (Bill Church)
17. 11:25 AM - Re: Handheld Radio Mounting (Ben Charvet)
18. 11:26 AM - Re: Another museum Piet (Bill Church)
19. 11:52 AM - Re: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (Michael Perez)
20. 12:05 PM - Re: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (Jack Phillips)
21. 12:47 PM - Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (Don Emch)
22. 01:03 PM - Re: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
23. 01:10 PM - Re: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (Michael Perez)
24. 01:20 PM - Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (Don Emch)
25. 01:32 PM - Re: Another museum Piet (Don Emch)
26. 02:01 PM - Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (skellytown flyer)
27. 03:54 PM - Re: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (Jim Ash)
28. 04:12 PM - Re: Re: Another museum Piet (helspersew@aol.com)
29. 04:29 PM - Re: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (CozyGirrrl@aol.com)
30. 05:01 PM - Re: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (Jim Ash)
31. 05:09 PM - Re: so i have been using poplar (Kyle85)
32. 05:50 PM - Re: Re: so i have been using poplar (gboothe5@comcast.net)
33. 06:01 PM - Re: Piet in the news Down Under (johnwoods@westnet.com.au)
34. 06:22 PM - Re: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (Michael Perez)
35. 06:35 PM - Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (skellytown flyer)
36. 06:39 PM - Re: Another "New To List" Guy (skipgadd@earthlink.net)
37. 08:06 PM - Re: Re: so i have been using poplar (Dave and Connie)
38. 08:41 PM - Re: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (CozyGirrrl@aol.com)
39. 11:47 PM - Re: Re: Another museum Piet (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: Another museum Piet |
Did you see how the bungees have been angled on the inside side of the L.G.
? Held back by something there. That is what I am in the process of doing.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 5:06 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another museum Piet
OMG! It's got hydraulic brakes and a tail wheel! Don't look, Dan!!
Do not archive
ary from Cool
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rom: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
ent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 2:23 PM
o: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
ubject: Pietenpol-List: Another museum Piet
>
Stumbled across these photos of a nice looking Pietenpol that's hanging in
he Deke Slayton Museum, in Sparta, Wisconsin. Looks like all wooden struts.
ery nice.
ttp://flic.kr/p/8pQGEJ
ttp://flic.kr/p/8pQHNG
ttp://flic.kr/p/8pQGFE
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Handheld Radio Mounting |
Can anyone out there provide options/locations for mounting an Icom A6 radio in
a Piet. Would like to keep it away from the panel at all cost. Will also be using
an external antenna that was mounted in the fuselage by the previous owner.
Any feedback/pictures would be greatly appreciated.
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Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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| Subject: | Another museum Piet |
Yes. What's the benefit?
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another museum Piet
Did you see how the bungees have been angled on the inside side of the L.G.?
Held back by something there. That is what I am in the process of doing.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 5:06 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another museum Piet
OMG! It's got hydraulic brakes and a tail wheel! Don't look, Dan!!
Do not archive
Gary from Cool
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com?> ] On Behalf Of Bill
Church
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 2:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another museum Piet
Stumbled across these photos of a nice looking Pietenpol that's hanging in
the Deke Slayton Museum, in Sparta, Wisconsin. Looks like all wooden struts.
Very nice.
http://flic.kr/p/8pQGEJ
http://flic.kr/p/8pQHNG
http://flic.kr/p/8pQGFE
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Handheld Radio Mounting |
Adrian,
My Grega has it mounted on the back of the passenger seat, dark down there
so most people don't notice it. It is close to the stick so the transmit
button is easy to get to.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: pineymb <airltd@mts.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/20/2011 8:20:48 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio Mounting
>
>
> Can anyone out there provide options/locations for mounting an Icom A6
radio in a Piet. Would like to keep it away from the panel at all cost.
Will also be using an external antenna that was mounted in the fuselage by
the previous owner.
>
> Any feedback/pictures would be greatly appreciated.
>
> --------
> Adrian M
> Winnipeg, MB
> Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio Mounting |
I went to JoAnn Fabrics and bought a roll of Velcro. I have it attached
to the fuselage side up and out of the way. I put the Velcro in several
spots so I can also attach my intercom and iPhone to the instrument
panel. It really keeps things out of the way.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Oct 20, 2011, at 7:45 AM, skipgadd@earthlink.net wrote:
<skipgadd@earthlink.net>
>
> Adrian,
> My Grega has it mounted on the back of the passenger seat, dark down
there
> so most people don't notice it. It is close to the stick so the
transmit
> button is easy to get to.
> Skip
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: pineymb <airltd@mts.net>
>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: 10/20/2011 8:20:48 AM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio Mounting
>>
>>
>> Can anyone out there provide options/locations for mounting an Icom
A6
> radio in a Piet. Would like to keep it away from the panel at all
cost.
> Will also be using an external antenna that was mounted in the
fuselage by
> the previous owner.
>>
>> Any feedback/pictures would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> --------
>> Adrian M
>> Winnipeg, MB
>> Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Another museum Piet |
Keeps the bungee cords from getting pinched in amongst the axle and wood L.
G. struts etc. ie: to prevent premature fraying and failing.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Thu, Oct 20, 2011 7:33 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another museum Piet
Yes. What=99s the benefit?
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another museum Piet
Did you see how the bungees have been angled on the inside side of the L.G.
? Held back by something there. That is what I am in the process of doing.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 5:06 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another museum Piet
OMG! It's got hydraulic brakes and a tail wheel! Don't look, Dan!!
Do not archive
Gary from Cool
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 2:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another museum Piet
>
Stumbled across these photos of a nice looking Pietenpol that's hanging in
the Deke Slayton Museum, in Sparta, Wisconsin. Looks like all wooden struts
.
Very nice.
http://flic.kr/p/8pQGEJ
http://flic.kr/p/8pQHNG
http://flic.kr/p/8pQGFE
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Piet in the news Down Under |
Bill,
Thanks for posting that. Makes me wish I had bought that from Gar. It is a great
flying airplane. Glad to see that it is flying and kept in good shape.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio Mounting |
I plan on putting a Velcro strap around my leg to hold the radio. Kind of like
a kneeboard. Keep the radio in storage when parked. Hope it works. We see.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C 2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: Another museum Piet |
Since this Piet is hanging in a museum, I'll bet they are "for display purposes".
They sure look neat and tidy, but I can't see how they would be functional.
If one were to introduce some sort of "holders" to keep them positioned, the
bungees would chafe against the holders, and you'd probably wear them out even
faster. By nature, the bungees will all want to take the shortest route, and
that will mean piling up on top of each other, like they do.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Group, I have ordered 5052-H32 aluminum to make my fuel tank. (.040" thick)
- In the past, I had worked on a cardboard template for said tank. I see
if I open up the template and lay it flat, it appears I could make a few pi
eces larger and then bend the corners. I would then have fewer welds to mak
e. My question is: Is it OK to bend this material for fuel tank use or shou
ld I cut out the various pieces and weld all of it? I would like a nice tig
ht bend radius.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Another museum Piet |
Bill,
I am trying to fabricate my "holders" or what I call "dams" so that they th
emselves do not cause the same problem that I am trying to solve. Functiona
l report later. Probably next spring.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:35 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another museum Piet
>
Since this Piet is hanging in a museum, I'll bet they are "for display
urposes". They sure look neat and tidy, but I can't see how they would be
unctional. If one were to introduce some sort of "holders" to keep them
ositioned, the bungees would chafe against the holders, and you'd probably
wear
hem out even faster. By nature, the bungees will all want to take the short
est
oute, and that will mean piling up on top of each other, like they do.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Michael, I made mine from four pieces. One for the bottom, front and back.
One for the top. Then the two sides. I riveted and used the proseal
substitute. I made the bends to the inside to allow a little more capacity.
Not flying but no leaks.
Jack
DSM
_____
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 11:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Group, I have ordered 5052-H32 aluminum to make my fuel tank. (.040" thick)
In the past, I had worked on a cardboard template for said tank. I see if I
open up the template and lay it flat, it appears I could make a few pieces
larger and then bend the corners. I would then have fewer welds to make. My
question is: Is it OK to bend this material for fuel tank use or should I
cut out the various pieces and weld all of it? I would like a nice tight
bend radius.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio Mounting |
I'm trying a RAM mount (they were on sale)l with the 3 inch arm. Ball goes
under the instrument panel. This will not keep it away from the panel, but
it is easy to remove when not needed.
Andrew
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:16 AM, John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>wrote:
> I went to JoAnn Fabrics and bought a roll of Velcro. I have it attached to
> the fuselage side up and out of the way. I put the Velcro in several spots
> so I can also attach my intercom and iPhone to the instrument panel. It
> really keeps things out of the way.
>
> -john-
>
> John Hofmann
> Vice-President, Information Technology
> The Rees Group, Inc.
> 2424 American Lane
> Madison, WI 53704
> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
> Fax: 608.443.2474
> Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
>
> On Oct 20, 2011, at 7:45 AM, skipgadd@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> skipgadd@earthlink.net>
>
> Adrian,
> My Grega has it mounted on the back of the passenger seat, dark down there
> so most people don't notice it. It is close to the stick so the transmit
> button is easy to get to.
> Skip
>
>
> [Original Message]
>
> From: pineymb <airltd@mts.net>
>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>
> Date: 10/20/2011 8:20:48 AM
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio Mounting
>
>
>
>
> Can anyone out there provide options/locations for mounting an Icom A6
>
> radio in a Piet. Would like to keep it away from the panel at all cost.
> Will also be using an external antenna that was mounted in the fuselage by
> the previous owner.
>
>
> Any feedback/pictures would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> --------
>
> Adrian M
>
> Winnipeg, MB
>
> Canada
>
>
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>
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355547#355547
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| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio Mounting |
I made a bracket screwed to the top of the RH longeron.
The A6 clamps on with the standard A6 Belt clip, see picture
I use a head set and a stick mounted PTT switch.
No external antenna, but could be added if needed.
A6 is visible during flight and fully accessible to change frequency.
Yet easily removed for storage or charging.
Hans
NX 15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: pineymb <airltd@mts.net>
Sent: Thu, Oct 20, 2011 7:19 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio Mounting
Can anyone out there provide options/locations for mounting an Icom A6 radi
o in
Piet. Would like to keep it away from the panel at all cost. Will also be
sing an external antenna that was mounted in the fuselage by the previous
wner.
Any feedback/pictures would be greatly appreciated.
--------
drian M
innipeg, MB
anada
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| Subject: | Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Michael,
You can easily bend it, with a fairly tight bend radius. This makes a much
stronger joint than just butt-welding two pieces of aluminum. I turned my
flanges to the outside, which resulted in slightly less capacity but was
easier to rivet. I think next time I would build mine like Jack Textor did.
As Jack did, I riveted my tank together, then TIG welded all the seams and
all the rivets.
Then I pressurized it with the system you see in the last photo and painted
all the seams and rivets with soapy water. I had 37 leaks. Re-welded it
and had 9 leaks. Re-welded it again and it has never leaked a drop since.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Perez
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Group, I have ordered 5052-H32 aluminum to make my fuel tank. (.040" thick)
In the past, I had worked on a cardboard template for said tank. I see if I
open up the template and lay it flat, it appears I could make a few pieces
larger and then bend the corners. I would then have fewer welds to make. My
question is: Is it OK to bend this material for fuel tank use or should I
cut out the various pieces and weld all of it? I would like a nice tight
bend radius.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Michael,
In general, whenever it is possible to bend a joint, rather than welding it, that
is the way to go. Welded joints often leak, bends don't.
5052-H32 is a good, all-purpose alloy, with decent strength, good bendability,
and good welding characteristics. It is the "go to" alloy in the shop where I
work. In the case of .040" thickness, you should be able to successfully bend
very sharply without risking cracking. Do a few test bends to make sure first.
If necessary, introduce a slight radius into the bend.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio Mounting |
I don't have an Icom radio, but I made an aluminum bracket screwed to
the right fuselage side angled cross member in the cockpit. My radio
slips over the bracket and is held on with the belt clip. I'm using a
push to talk button that velcroes to the stick. I made the bracket so
that the radio is angled properly to be easily seen from where I sit.
Ben Charvet
Titusville, Fl
On 10/20/2011 8:16 AM, pineymb wrote:
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> Can anyone out there provide options/locations for mounting an Icom A6 radio
in a Piet. Would like to keep it away from the panel at all cost. Will also be
using an external antenna that was mounted in the fuselage by the previous owner.
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> Any feedback/pictures would be greatly appreciated.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another museum Piet |
Good name, Dan.
That way, if they work, they are named after the function that they perform. And
if they don't work, you can just shout their name.
BC
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Thanks guys.
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Jack P., why the "color" inside your tank? Also are you suggesting I bend a
flange for all the joints to facilitate the welding as opposed to a butt j
oint?
-
My tank will be a nose tank and I am trying to get as much capacity out of
it as I can. So, right now, the template-is quite the odd shape. Anyhoo,
I'll pay attention to the proper bending techniques and bend what I can.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
The "color" inside my tank in the first picture was simply the color of the
posterboard I was using to make patterns from. You will notice in
subsequent pictures the color had changed to that of 5052-H32 aluminum.
A butt-joint is always the very last choice for a weld. It is the weakest
possible joint, and has virtually no resistance to cracking due to
vibration. Only weld a butt joint if there is no way to do a better one,
and plan for it to fail.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Thanks guys.
Jack P., why the "color" inside your tank? Also are you suggesting I bend a
flange for all the joints to facilitate the welding as opposed to a butt
joint?
My tank will be a nose tank and I am trying to get as much capacity out of
it as I can. So, right now, the template is quite the odd shape. Anyhoo,
I'll pay attention to the proper bending techniques and bend what I can.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Michael,
The 5052 is very nice to work with. I made a nose tank that holds 14.5 gallons.
I used exterior flanges of about 3/8", mainly because it is easier to hold
together for welding. Just two pieces. Kinda like two clam shells. First welded
a nice pretty seam and had leaks. The went back over it with a big ugly
seam and have never had a leak. One very important consideration is to keep it
high enough to clear a persons feet in the front cockpit. This will also keep
it high enough for head pressure. These are old "pre digital camera days"
pictures.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Looks Smae or similar to a Cub tank less the bottom. Repaired cub tanks can be
found on Barnstormers or Ebay cheap
--- On Thu, 10/20/11, Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com> wrote:
> From: Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, October 20, 2011, 2:45 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
>
> Michael,
>
> The 5052 is very nice to work with. I made a nose
> tank that holds 14.5 gallons. I used exterior flanges
> of about 3/8", mainly because it is easier to hold together
> for welding. Just two pieces. Kinda like two
> clam shells. First welded a nice pretty seam and had
> leaks. The went back over it with a big ugly seam and
> have never had a leak. One very important
> consideration is to keep it high enough to clear a persons
> feet in the front cockpit. This will also keep it high
> enough for head pressure. These are old "pre digital
> camera days" pictures.
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
OK. I understand it now. Nice tank Don!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
The Cub tank is very similar, but it would not allow for the feet clearance that
is really nice to have up in the front.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Another museum Piet |
That Piet flew into Brodhead several years ago. I was amazed that the solid spruce
wing struts did not have any kind reinforcement. Not even laminations.
The cabane struts had chunks of wood missing at the ends; above the bolt holes.
Not much there. Yikes!
Pretty though!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
I haven't searched to see how prone to cracking that alloy is- but when I made
my tank from Galvanized steel- I did it all from one piece.laid out the dimensions
and folded the front side up and a tab on it back toward the rear for the
top to lap over, the back and top then laid over it and the ends bent up with
tabs on them as well. I screwed them all together and soldered the screw heads
and joints.I did make a couple baffles and installed them inside with the bottom
and ends of those held in place and screwed before laying the top down on
them.worked pretty well.Time will tell how it holds up - I figure anytime I can
have a bend instead of a weld or solder joint that's one less potential leak.
Raymond
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
If you're going to put sharp bends in the sheet, spend a few minutes and find out
what the minimum bend radius should be for your chosen material and its thickness.
Smaller than this, you risk cracking the corners. I just found a chart
in AC43-13 online at:
http://www2.tech.purdue.edu/at/courses/at308/Technical_Links/Ac43-13-1B/CH4_4.pdf
Interestingly, 5052-H32 at thicknesses .032 and smaller have zero minimum on this
chart. .064 says 1/2-1 times the thickess of the sheet. Not having a table
entry for .040, I'd err on the conservative and go with the .063 number, and I'd
probably go more conservative and use the 1x radius instead of the 1/2x, leaving
me with a minimum radius of .040.
Keep in mind, it's the minimum, so your results don't have to be accurate to that
radius, just larger than the minimum. If you're bending these corners with
a brake, lots of folks slide a piece of scrap sheet or cardboard on top of the
sheet you care about to establish the radius. A drill bit laid inside the bend
makes for a quick gauge of the radius.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: Don Emch
>Sent: Oct 20, 2011 3:45 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
>
>
>Michael,
>
>The 5052 is very nice to work with. I made a nose tank that holds 14.5 gallons.
I used exterior flanges of about 3/8", mainly because it is easier to hold together
for welding. Just two pieces. Kinda like two clam shells. First welded
a nice pretty seam and had leaks. The went back over it with a big ugly seam
and have never had a leak. One very important consideration is to keep it high
enough to clear a persons feet in the front cockpit. This will also keep it high
enough for head pressure. These are old "pre digital camera days" pictures.
>
>Don Emch
>NX899DE
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355591#355591
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another museum Piet |
Amen, Bro.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Thu, Oct 20, 2011 1:26 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another museum Piet
>
Good name, Dan.
hat way, if they work, they are named after the function that they perform.
And
f they don't work, you can just shout their name.
BC
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Our handy dandy metals whiz wheel says 0.040" 5052-H32 min bend radius is
1/32"
Chrissi & Randi
_www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/)
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop
In a message dated 10/20/2011 5:54:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
ashcan@earthlink.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
If you're going to put sharp bends in the sheet, spend a few minutes and
find out what the minimum bend radius should be for your chosen material and
its thickness. Smaller than this, you risk cracking the corners. I just
found a chart in AC43-13 online at:
http://www2.tech.purdue.edu/at/courses/at308/Technical_Links/Ac43-13-1B/CH4_
4.pdf
Interestingly, 5052-H32 at thicknesses .032 and smaller have zero minimum
on this chart. .064 says 1/2-1 times the thickess of the sheet. Not having
a table entry for .040, I'd err on the conservative and go with the .063
number, and I'd probably go more conservative and use the 1x radius instead
of the 1/2x, leaving me with a minimum radius of .040.
Keep in mind, it's the minimum, so your results don't have to be accurate
to that radius, just larger than the minimum. If you're bending these
corners with a brake, lots of folks slide a piece of scrap sheet or cardboard
on
top of the sheet you care about to establish the radius. A drill bit laid
inside the bend makes for a quick gauge of the radius.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: Don Emch
>Sent: Oct 20, 2011 3:45 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
>
>
>Michael,
>
>The 5052 is very nice to work with. I made a nose tank that holds 14.5
gallons. I used exterior flanges of about 3/8", mainly because it is easier
to hold together for welding. Just two pieces. Kinda like two clam shells.
First welded a nice pretty seam and had leaks. The went back over it with a
big ugly seam and have never had a leak. One very important consideration
is to keep it high enough to clear a persons feet in the front cockpit. This
will also keep it high enough for head pressure. These are old "pre
digital camera days" pictures.
>
>Don Emch
>NX899DE
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355591#355591
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
So my .040" wasn't too far off, and towards the conservative.
What's this whiz wheel thingy? I sense the need for a new toy. One can never have
enough tools.
Jim
knumbnuts flunkie/ex-co-Chairman of years-past, Sun-N-Fun Metal Shaping Workshop
(with the cool hats)
-----Original Message-----
From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com
Sent: Oct 20, 2011 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Our handy dandy metals whiz wheel says 0.040" 5052-H32 min bend radius is 1/32"
Chrissi & Randi
www.CozyGirrrl.com
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop
In a message dated 10/20/2011 5:54:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ashcan@earthlink.net
writes:
If you're going to put sharp bends in the sheet, spend a few minutes and find out
what the minimum bend radius should be for your chosen material and its thickness.
Smaller than this, you risk cracking the corners. I just found a chart
in AC43-13 online at:
http://www2.tech.purdue.edu/at/courses/at308/Technical_Links/Ac43-13-1B/CH4_4.pdf
Interestingly, 5052-H32 at thicknesses .032 and smaller have zero minimum on this
chart. .064 says 1/2-1 times the thickess of the sheet. Not having a table
entry for .040, I'd err on the conservative and go with the .063 number, and I'd
probably go more conservative and use the 1x radius instead of the 1/2x, leaving
me with a minimum radius of .040.
Keep in mind, it's the minimum, so your results don't have to be accurate to that
radius, just larger than the minimum. If you're bending these corners with
a brake, lots of folks slide a piece of scrap sheet or cardboard on top of the
sheet you care about to establish the radius. A drill bit laid inside the bend
makes for a quick gauge of the radius.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: Don Emch
>Sent: Oct 20, 2011 3:45 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
>
>
>Michael,
>
>The 5052 is very nice to work with. I made a nose tank that holds 14.5 gallons.
I used exterior flanges of about 3/8", mainly because it is easier to hold together
for welding. Just two pieces. Kinda like two clam shells. First welded
a nice pretty seam and had leaks. The went back over it with a big ugly seam
and have never had a leak. One very important consideration is to keep it high
enough to clear a persons feet in the front cockpit. This will also keep it high
enough for head pressure. These are old "pre digital camera days" pictures.
>
>Don Emch
>NX899DE
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355591#355591
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
Thank you all for the input! I have been doing some reading and have decided to
continue to use the poplar(purchased from a local sawmill) for cross members,
ribs, and tail. From here I am going to try and decide between Spruce, Western
Hemlock, or Douglas Fir for the spars and longerons (all in accordance with
AC43.13). I would be using spruce without question if only it was locally available.
Upstate NY has a lot of quality lumber available locally, just not a lot
of spruce.
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| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
Kyle,
You'll be fine! My entire Piet is Poplar, with the exception of the tail, which
is Hemlock, and the spars are fir...so I guess my entire Piet is NOT Poplar...then
there's the Hickory struts & prop...
Gary from Cool
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From: Kyle85
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: so i have been using poplar
Sent: Oct 20, 2011 5:07 PM
Thank you all for the input! I have been doing some reading and have decided to
continue to use the poplar(purchased from a local sawmill) for cross members,
ribs, and tail. From here I am going to try and decide between Spruce, Western
Hemlock, or Douglas Fir for the spars and longerons (all in accordance with
AC43.13). I would be using spruce without question if only it was locally available.
Upstate NY has a lot of quality lumber available locally, just not a lot
of spruce.
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| Subject: | Re: Piet in the news Down Under |
Thanks for posting the links Bill.
I live in Perth, where the fly-in was held but unfortunately was not in Perth for
that weekend.
Langley park is right in the city on the foreshore of the Swan river, measuring
3000ft x 300ft.
Because of the close proximity to the city it is not a place where fly-ins are
usually held. The last one was in 2003.
It took quit a lot of planning and negotiating by Chapter 24 of the SAAA, the Australian
version of the EAA, to hold this one.
Langley park was also the landing and hangerage area for the Red Bull air races
which was flown over the Swan river.
A bit of info for those interested.
Regards,
JohnW
Perth Australia
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Thanks Jim. When I use a break for my other thin metal bending, I use some thin
AL. on top of the bend as you describe. This also negates any tool mark/ scratches.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Thu, 10/20/11, Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net> wrote:
> From: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, October 20, 2011, 6:51 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
>
> If you're going to put sharp bends in the sheet, spend a
> few minutes and find out what the minimum bend radius should
> be for your chosen material and its thickness. Smaller than
> this, you risk cracking the corners. I just found a chart in
> AC43-13 online at:
>
> http://www2.tech.purdue.edu/at/courses/at308/Technical_Links/Ac43-13-1B/CH4_4.pdf
>
> Interestingly, 5052-H32 at thicknesses .032 and smaller
> have zero minimum on this chart. .064 says 1/2-1 times the
> thickess of the sheet. Not having a table entry for .040,
> I'd err on the conservative and go with the .063 number, and
> I'd probably go more conservative and use the 1x radius
> instead of the 1/2x, leaving me with a minimum radius of
> .040.
>
> Keep in mind, it's the minimum, so your results don't have
> to be accurate to that radius, just larger than the minimum.
> If you're bending these corners with a brake, lots of folks
> slide a piece of scrap sheet or cardboard on top of the
> sheet you care about to establish the radius. A drill bit
> laid inside the bend makes for a quick gauge of the radius.
>
> Jim Ash
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Don Emch
> >Sent: Oct 20, 2011 3:45 PM
> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
> >
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> >Michael,
> >
> >The 5052 is very nice to work with. I made a nose tank
> that holds 14.5 gallons. I used exterior flanges of about
> 3/8", mainly because it is easier to hold together for
> welding. Just two pieces. Kinda like two clam shells. First
> welded a nice pretty seam and had leaks. The went back over
> it with a big ugly seam and have never had a leak. One very
> important consideration is to keep it high enough to clear a
> persons feet in the front cockpit. This will also keep it
> high enough for head pressure. These are old "pre digital
> camera days" pictures.
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
I expect you already know it- but to get a larger radius bend you can bend a piece
of scrap and then use it for a shoe to bend your metal around to get the larger
radius once you figure how far back to clamp it from your mark. I used to
have a setback and bend chart I got when I was taking airframe repair training
in the army but that was many years ago and we had some pretty nice Brakes
in the shop. never got to use those once in the field though.Raymond
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| Subject: | Another "New To List" Guy |
Dave,
Couple comments. Definitely take the advise of someone, think it was Bill
to cut out any ply aft of the pilot seat not glued to spruce or that looks
like a gusset.
Looking at your first picture, I think you have a Cub engine mount. My
Grega has that mount and it makes it harder to get the w/b to come out and
also makes it real hard to safety the oil screen. The Cub mount puts the
bottom mounting flange of the A65 only about 7" from the firewall,
Pietenpol plans put the flange about 11". The engine mount jig I borrowed
from D Emch puts the flange about 12.5".
Since your plane is not covered or assembled I would consider using
Pietenpol's cabane to wing spar attach brackets, which would allow you to
move the wing aft if it would help the w/b.
I am flying a Grega and building a Piet. I live at Hales Landing WV(2WV3)
which is just across OH from you. It takes me about 2.5 hours to fly the
Piet(Grega) to Waynesville, so it should be about 1.5 hours for your 601 if
you wanted to check out the Grega or Piet project.
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| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
I just noticed the upstate NY reference. I am near Geneseo and have
been getting poplar from Bristol Hardwoods.
Where are you?
Dave
On 10/20/2011 8:07 PM, Kyle85 wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kyle85"<boschkyle@hotmail.com>
>
> Thank you all for the input! I have been doing some reading and have decided
to continue to use the poplar(purchased from a local sawmill) for cross members,
ribs, and tail. From here I am going to try and decide between Spruce, Western
Hemlock, or Douglas Fir for the spars and longerons (all in accordance with
AC43.13). I would be using spruce without question if only it was locally available.
Upstate NY has a lot of quality lumber available locally, just not a
lot of spruce.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
More a slide rule type thingie, I have used one since 1980 something,
cannot live without it if you are a designer.
_http://www.alvinco.com/Shop/Products.aspx?IID 326_
(http://www.alvinco.com/Shop/Products.aspx?IID 326)
Alvin Screw Data Selector #7355
Front side:
-detailed data on fasteners from 0-80 to 1-12 threads
-spring pins
-drilled hole tolerances
-min surface finishes for various feature tolerances
-shoulder screw data
-aluminum rivet data
-inch scale
Back side:
-sheet metal and wire sizes/wt
-fractional to dec equivalents
-drill sizes in dec inches
-miniature screw data
-wrench clearance data
-pipe threads
-min bend radii
-slide rule
-mm scale
I also have a larger competitors model, it is huge, it is a nuisance, does
not give as much information, not as easy to read. It does have metric
stuff so I do not toss it.
Chrissi & Randi
_www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/)
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop
In a message dated 10/20/2011 7:01:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
ashcan@earthlink.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
So my .040" wasn't too far off, and towards the conservative.
What's this whiz wheel thingy? I sense the need for a new toy. One can
never have enough tools.
Jim
knumbnuts flunkie/ex-co-Chairman of years-past, Sun-N-Fun Metal Shaping
Workshop (with the cool hats)
-----Original Message-----
From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com
Sent: Oct 20, 2011 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Our handy dandy metals whiz wheel says 0.040" 5052-H32 min bend radius is
1/32"
Chrissi & Randi
www.CozyGirrrl.com
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop
In a message dated 10/20/2011 5:54:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
ashcan@earthlink.net writes:
If you're going to put sharp bends in the sheet, spend a few minutes and
find out what the minimum bend radius should be for your chosen material and
its thickness. Smaller than this, you risk cracking the corners. I just
found a chart in AC43-13 online at:
http://www2.tech.purdue.edu/at/courses/at308/Technical_Links/Ac43-13-1B/CH4_
4.pdf
Interestingly, 5052-H32 at thicknesses .032 and smaller have zero minimum
on this chart. .064 says 1/2-1 times the thickess of the sheet. Not having
a table entry for .040, I'd err on the conservative and go with the .063
number, and I'd probably go more conservative and use the 1x radius instead
of the 1/2x, leaving me with a minimum radius of .040.
Keep in mind, it's the minimum, so your results don't have to be accurate
to that radius, just larger than the minimum. If you're bending these
corners with a brake, lots of folks slide a piece of scrap sheet or cardboard
on
top of the sheet you care about to establish the radius. A drill bit laid
inside the bend makes for a quick gauge of the radius.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: Don Emch
>Sent: Oct 20, 2011 3:45 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
>
>
>Michael,
>
>The 5052 is very nice to work with. I made a nose tank that holds 14.5
gallons. I used exterior flanges of about 3/8", mainly because it is easier
to hold together for welding. Just two pieces. Kinda like two clam shells.
First welded a nice pretty seam and had leaks. The went back over it with a
big ugly seam and have never had a leak. One very important consideration
is to keep it high enough to clear a persons feet in the front cockpit. This
will also keep it high enough for head pressure. These are old "pre
digital camera days" pictures.
>
>Don Emch
>NX899DE
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355591#355591
>
>
>Attachments:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo2_122.jpg
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo1_676.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another museum Piet |
Why are you surprised? The tensile strength of Spruce
is over 12,000 lb/inch. Laminations are not necessarily
going to make it stronger but most likely will make it
heavier. Also compression strength (negative G ) is
4500 lb/inch. How much does a Piet weigh? How
many G's are you expecting to pull?
Clif
. I was amazed that the solid spruce wing struts did not have any kind
reinforcement. Not even laminations. The cabane struts had chunks of wood
missing at the ends; above the bolt holes. Not much there. Yikes!
>
> Pretty though!
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
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