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1. 03:23 AM - Re: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (Jack)
2. 04:18 AM - Re: Another "New To List" Guy (DaveG601XL)
3. 04:29 AM - Re: so i have been using poplar (Kyle85)
4. 05:20 AM - Re: Another museum Piet (Don Emch)
5. 06:25 AM - new guy/ fellow Cincinnati builder (Douwe Blumberg)
6. 07:04 AM - Re: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (Michael Perez)
7. 07:34 AM - Re: new guy/ fellow Cincinnati builder (Matthew VanDervort)
8. 07:37 AM - Re: new guy/ fellow Cincinnati builder (DaveG601XL)
9. 06:42 PM - Re: new guy/ fellow Cincinnati builder (skipgadd@earthlink.net)
10. 07:29 PM - Re: new guy/ fellow Cincinnati builder (Matthew VanDervort)
11. 08:29 PM - Re: Re: Another museum Piet (Clif Dawson)
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Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Michael another caution for you. Make sure you leave plenty of clearance
for tank fit. I thought I did and it fits tighter than I would like.
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
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Thanks Jim. When I use a break for my other thin metal bending, I use some
thin AL. on top of the bend as you describe. This also negates any tool
mark/ scratches.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Thu, 10/20/11, Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net> wrote:
> From: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, October 20, 2011, 6:51 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
>
> If you're going to put sharp bends in the sheet, spend a
> few minutes and find out what the minimum bend radius should
> be for your chosen material and its thickness. Smaller than
> this, you risk cracking the corners. I just found a chart in
> AC43-13 online at:
>
>
http://www2.tech.purdue.edu/at/courses/at308/Technical_Links/Ac43-13-1B/CH4_
4.pdf
>
> Interestingly, 5052-H32 at thicknesses .032 and smaller
> have zero minimum on this chart. .064 says 1/2-1 times the
> thickess of the sheet. Not having a table entry for .040,
> I'd err on the conservative and go with the .063 number, and
> I'd probably go more conservative and use the 1x radius
> instead of the 1/2x, leaving me with a minimum radius of
> .040.
>
> Keep in mind, it's the minimum, so your results don't have
> to be accurate to that radius, just larger than the minimum.
> If you're bending these corners with a brake, lots of folks
> slide a piece of scrap sheet or cardboard on top of the
> sheet you care about to establish the radius. A drill bit
> laid inside the bend makes for a quick gauge of the radius.
>
> Jim Ash
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Don Emch
> >Sent: Oct 20, 2011 3:45 PM
> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
> >
> >
> >Michael,
> >
> >The 5052 is very nice to work with. I made a nose tank
> that holds 14.5 gallons. I used exterior flanges of about
> 3/8", mainly because it is easier to hold together for
> welding. Just two pieces. Kinda like two clam shells. First
> welded a nice pretty seam and had leaks. The went back over
> it with a big ugly seam and have never had a leak. One very
> important consideration is to keep it high enough to clear a
> persons feet in the front cockpit. This will also keep it
> high enough for head pressure. These are old "pre digital
> camera days" pictures.
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> >Don Emch
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Subject: | Re: Another "New To List" Guy |
Skip,
You hit the mark well on your comments. As I understand it, I do have a Cub A65
mount and I was pretty sure I would have to lengthen it out for W&B. I am about
to embark on some gas welding training at the Columbus, OH Sport Air workshop.
If I will ever have the confidence to weld up an engine mount will be a
matter of time and practice. If anyone knows of a source for longer mounts,
please chime in.
I also plan on making the Pietenpol wing attachment. In fact, I just ordered a
set of new Pietenpol plans yesterday. I have some Pietenpol plans that came
with the project, but there are pretty beat up and several pages are missing huge
chuncks.
The excess ply aft of the cockpit should be a thing of the past very soon. As
beautiful as it looks, it is just begging me to hog a lot out.
I would like to come out and visit some time. I am driving down to Barnwell, SC
next month in hopes of seeing a few Piets there over Veterens Day weekend.
Hales Landing could be considered on the way. I will send you an e-mail.
Thanks!
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL: flying, 200+ hours now
Next project: Pietenpol/GN-1
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Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
Dave,
I live in carthage, up towards watertown. I believe you are down by rochester?
I have
Been down that way to look at a pietenpol a few times. The guy's name is everett
downey
Or frenchie is what his buisness card says.
Kyle
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Subject: | Re: Another museum Piet |
I think what surprised me the most was just the one hole drilled at the top and
at the bottom of the wood cabanes with very little edge distance from the hole
to the end. Then it appeared there was some breakout of the wood on the ends
from drilling the holes. The roll wires and cabanes handle an awful lot of
stress in that area. Must be fine though. Just don't see too many wood, non-reinforced
wing struts out there.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | new guy/ fellow Cincinnati builder |
Hey Dave,
Welcome to the group. I'm building in Northern KY, and I know there's
another guy building in Cincinnati at Lunken, but don't have his contact.
Maybe we'll see eachother's projects one day
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Thank you all for the help. I am going to re-template the tank from scratch
to incorporate flanges for the weld areas and to make it more "bend" frien
dly...to do fewer welds.- From what I gather, most can handle being in th
eir planes around 3 hours, so as long as I can get-at least-15 gals. or
so out of it, that should be good.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: new guy/ fellow Cincinnati builder |
And im up in Troy rebuilding my grandpa's old Piet, getting ready to order a
bunch of stuff and hopefully start seeing real progress soon!
Anybody is more then welcome to stop in anytime! Almost anytime :)
Do not archive
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On Oct 21, 2011, at 9:23 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> w
rote:
> Hey Dave,
>
> Welcome to the group. I=99m building in Northern KY, and I know the
re=99s another guy building in Cincinnati at Lunken, but don=99t
have his contact. Maybe we=99ll see eachother=99s projects one
day
>
> Douwe
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Subject: | Re: new guy/ fellow Cincinnati builder |
Douwe,
Do you belong to an area EAA chapter? I belong to both the Cincinnati 174 and
Hamilton 974 chapters and I don't know of anyone building a Piet in either of
them. You are certainly welcome to join us and swap building & flying tails.
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL: flying, 200+ hours now
Next project: Pietenpol/GN-1
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Subject: | Re: new guy/ fellow Cincinnati builder |
Hey Matthew,
Took this picture of Sky Gypsy at Brodhead about 1994 or 95. Believe this kid use
to fly to the Piet reunion with big Jim. Just wondering if I got a picture
of a future Piet re builder?
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew VanDervort
Sent: 10/21/2011 10:37:05 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new guy/ fellow Cincinnati builder
And im up in Troy rebuilding my grandpa's old Piet, getting ready to order a bunch
of stuff and hopefully start seeing real progress soon!
Anybody is more then welcome to stop in anytime! Almost anytime :)
Do not archive
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 21, 2011, at 9:23 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:
Hey Dave,
Welcome to the group. Im building in Northern KY, and I know theres another guy
building in Cincinnati at Lunken, but dont have his contact. Maybe well see
eachothers projects one day
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: new guy/ fellow Cincinnati builder |
Wow! That you did skip!! I remember that old bike very well! Two speed sch
winn! Those were definetly the days back then. Thanks for sharing, Trent D
avis (Ted's son) really had the run about of that airport back then!
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 21, 2011, at 9:35 PM, "skipgadd@earthlink.net" <skipgadd@earthlink.ne
t> wrote:
> Hey Matthew,
> Took this picture of Sky Gypsy at Brodhead about 1994 or 95. Believe this k
id use to fly to the Piet reunion with big Jim. Just wondering if I got a pi
cture of a future Piet re builder?
> Skip
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Matthew VanDervort
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: 10/21/2011 10:37:05 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new guy/ fellow Cincinnati builder
>
> And im up in Troy rebuilding my grandpa's old Piet, getting ready to order
a bunch of stuff and hopefully start seeing real progress soon!
>
> Anybody is more then welcome to stop in anytime! Almost anytime :)
>
> Do not archive
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Oct 21, 2011, at 9:23 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net
> wrote:
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>> Hey Dave,
>> Welcome to the group. I=99m building in Northern KY, and I know th
ere=99s another guy building in Cincinnati at Lunken, but don=99
t have his contact. Maybe we=99ll see eachother=99s projects on
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Subject: | Re: Another museum Piet |
OK, that's a whole different matter! But if it was a flying
machine for any length of time..............
Like they say in racing. Copy what works.
Clif
very little edge distance from the hole to the end. Then it appeared there
was some breakout of the wood on the ends from drilling the holes. >
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
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