---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/21/11: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:23 AM - Re: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (Jack) 2. 04:18 AM - Re: Another "New To List" Guy (DaveG601XL) 3. 04:29 AM - Re: so i have been using poplar (Kyle85) 4. 05:20 AM - Re: Another museum Piet (Don Emch) 5. 06:25 AM - new guy/ fellow Cincinnati builder (Douwe Blumberg) 6. 07:04 AM - Re: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (Michael Perez) 7. 07:34 AM - Re: new guy/ fellow Cincinnati builder (Matthew VanDervort) 8. 07:37 AM - Re: new guy/ fellow Cincinnati builder (DaveG601XL) 9. 06:42 PM - Re: new guy/ fellow Cincinnati builder (skipgadd@earthlink.net) 10. 07:29 PM - Re: new guy/ fellow Cincinnati builder (Matthew VanDervort) 11. 08:29 PM - Re: Re: Another museum Piet (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:30 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank Michael another caution for you. Make sure you leave plenty of clearance for tank fit. I thought I did and it fits tighter than I would like. Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:20 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank Thanks Jim. When I use a break for my other thin metal bending, I use some thin AL. on top of the bend as you describe. This also negates any tool mark/ scratches. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com --- On Thu, 10/20/11, Jim Ash wrote: > From: Jim Ash > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, October 20, 2011, 6:51 PM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: Jim Ash > > If you're going to put sharp bends in the sheet, spend a > few minutes and find out what the minimum bend radius should > be for your chosen material and its thickness. Smaller than > this, you risk cracking the corners. I just found a chart in > AC43-13 online at: > > http://www2.tech.purdue.edu/at/courses/at308/Technical_Links/Ac43-13-1B/CH4_ 4.pdf > > Interestingly, 5052-H32 at thicknesses .032 and smaller > have zero minimum on this chart. .064 says 1/2-1 times the > thickess of the sheet. Not having a table entry for .040, > I'd err on the conservative and go with the .063 number, and > I'd probably go more conservative and use the 1x radius > instead of the 1/2x, leaving me with a minimum radius of > .040. > > Keep in mind, it's the minimum, so your results don't have > to be accurate to that radius, just larger than the minimum. > If you're bending these corners with a brake, lots of folks > slide a piece of scrap sheet or cardboard on top of the > sheet you care about to establish the radius. A drill bit > laid inside the bend makes for a quick gauge of the radius. > > Jim Ash > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Don Emch > >Sent: Oct 20, 2011 3:45 PM > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank > > > > > >Michael, > > > >The 5052 is very nice to work with. I made a nose tank > that holds 14.5 gallons. I used exterior flanges of about > 3/8", mainly because it is easier to hold together for > welding. Just two pieces. Kinda like two clam shells. First > welded a nice pretty seam and had leaks. The went back over > it with a big ugly seam and have never had a leak. One very > important consideration is to keep it high enough to clear a > persons feet in the front cockpit. This will also keep it > high enough for head pressure. These are old "pre digital > camera days" pictures. > > > >Don Emch > >NX899DE > > > > > > > > > >Read this topic online here: > > > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355591#355591 > > > > > > > > > >Attachments: > > > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo2_122.jpg > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo1_676.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:18:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another "New To List" Guy From: "DaveG601XL" Skip, You hit the mark well on your comments. As I understand it, I do have a Cub A65 mount and I was pretty sure I would have to lengthen it out for W&B. I am about to embark on some gas welding training at the Columbus, OH Sport Air workshop. If I will ever have the confidence to weld up an engine mount will be a matter of time and practice. If anyone knows of a source for longer mounts, please chime in. I also plan on making the Pietenpol wing attachment. In fact, I just ordered a set of new Pietenpol plans yesterday. I have some Pietenpol plans that came with the project, but there are pretty beat up and several pages are missing huge chuncks. The excess ply aft of the cockpit should be a thing of the past very soon. As beautiful as it looks, it is just begging me to hog a lot out. I would like to come out and visit some time. I am driving down to Barnwell, SC next month in hopes of seeing a few Piets there over Veterens Day weekend. Hales Landing could be considered on the way. I will send you an e-mail. Thanks! -------- David Gallagher 601 XL: flying, 200+ hours now Next project: Pietenpol/GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355638#355638 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: so i have been using poplar From: "Kyle85" Dave, I live in carthage, up towards watertown. I believe you are down by rochester? I have Been down that way to look at a pietenpol a few times. The guy's name is everett downey Or frenchie is what his buisness card says. Kyle Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355639#355639 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:03 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another museum Piet From: "Don Emch" I think what surprised me the most was just the one hole drilled at the top and at the bottom of the wood cabanes with very little edge distance from the hole to the end. Then it appeared there was some breakout of the wood on the ends from drilling the holes. The roll wires and cabanes handle an awful lot of stress in that area. Must be fine though. Just don't see too many wood, non-reinforced wing struts out there. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355642#355642 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:04 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: new guy/ fellow Cincinnati builder Hey Dave, Welcome to the group. I'm building in Northern KY, and I know there's another guy building in Cincinnati at Lunken, but don't have his contact. Maybe we'll see eachother's projects one day Douwe ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:37 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank Thank you all for the help. I am going to re-template the tank from scratch to incorporate flanges for the weld areas and to make it more "bend" frien dly...to do fewer welds.- From what I gather, most can handle being in th eir planes around 3 hours, so as long as I can get-at least-15 gals. or so out of it, that should be good. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new guy/ fellow Cincinnati builder From: Matthew VanDervort And im up in Troy rebuilding my grandpa's old Piet, getting ready to order a bunch of stuff and hopefully start seeing real progress soon! Anybody is more then welcome to stop in anytime! Almost anytime :) Do not archive Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2011, at 9:23 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" w rote: > Hey Dave, > > Welcome to the group. I=99m building in Northern KY, and I know the re=99s another guy building in Cincinnati at Lunken, but don=99t have his contact. Maybe we=99ll see eachother=99s projects one day > > Douwe > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: new guy/ fellow Cincinnati builder From: "DaveG601XL" Douwe, Do you belong to an area EAA chapter? I belong to both the Cincinnati 174 and Hamilton 974 chapters and I don't know of anyone building a Piet in either of them. You are certainly welcome to join us and swap building & flying tails. -------- David Gallagher 601 XL: flying, 200+ hours now Next project: Pietenpol/GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355653#355653 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:03 PM PST US From: "skipgadd@earthlink.net" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new guy/ fellow Cincinnati builder Hey Matthew, Took this picture of Sky Gypsy at Brodhead about 1994 or 95. Believe this kid use to fly to the Piet reunion with big Jim. Just wondering if I got a picture of a future Piet re builder? Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew VanDervort Sent: 10/21/2011 10:37:05 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new guy/ fellow Cincinnati builder And im up in Troy rebuilding my grandpa's old Piet, getting ready to order a bunch of stuff and hopefully start seeing real progress soon! Anybody is more then welcome to stop in anytime! Almost anytime :) Do not archive Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2011, at 9:23 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote: Hey Dave, Welcome to the group. Im building in Northern KY, and I know theres another guy building in Cincinnati at Lunken, but dont have his contact. Maybe well see eachothers projects one day Douwe ================================== >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ================================== ums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ================================== http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ================================== ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new guy/ fellow Cincinnati builder From: Matthew VanDervort Wow! That you did skip!! I remember that old bike very well! Two speed sch winn! Those were definetly the days back then. Thanks for sharing, Trent D avis (Ted's son) really had the run about of that airport back then! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2011, at 9:35 PM, "skipgadd@earthlink.net" wrote: > Hey Matthew, > Took this picture of Sky Gypsy at Brodhead about 1994 or 95. Believe this k id use to fly to the Piet reunion with big Jim. Just wondering if I got a pi cture of a future Piet re builder? > Skip > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matthew VanDervort > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: 10/21/2011 10:37:05 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new guy/ fellow Cincinnati builder > > And im up in Troy rebuilding my grandpa's old Piet, getting ready to order a bunch of stuff and hopefully start seeing real progress soon! > > Anybody is more then welcome to stop in anytime! Almost anytime :) > > Do not archive > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 21, 2011, at 9:23 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote: > >> Hey Dave, >> Welcome to the group. I=99m building in Northern KY, and I know th ere=99s another guy building in Cincinnati at Lunken, but don=99 t have his contact. Maybe we=99ll see eachother=99s projects on e day >> Douwe >> >> >> ========================= ========= >> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========================= ========= >> ums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========================= ========= >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion >> ========================= ========= >> > <> > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:17 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another museum Piet OK, that's a whole different matter! But if it was a flying machine for any length of time.............. Like they say in racing. Copy what works. Clif very little edge distance from the hole to the end. Then it appeared there was some breakout of the wood on the ends from drilling the holes. > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355642#355642 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.