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1. 09:08 AM - Re: Re: so i have been using poplar (Gboothe5)
2. 12:42 PM - New Guy (Peter Hays)
3. 12:51 PM - EAA866 sets skydive record (Ben Charvet)
4. 01:00 PM - Re: New Guy (Jim Boyer)
5. 01:06 PM - previous post cut off (Peter Hays)
6. 01:41 PM - Copperstate Riff Raff (Bryan Reed)
7. 02:21 PM - Re: EAA866 sets skydive record (Frank Metcalfe)
8. 03:11 PM - Re: New Guy (Ryan Mueller)
9. 03:22 PM - Re: previous post cut off (helspersew@aol.com)
10. 04:02 PM - Lycoming O-235 to purchase (jarheadpilot82)
11. 05:22 PM - Re: New Guy (John Hofmann)
12. 05:34 PM - Re: Lycoming O-235 to purchase (skellytown flyer)
13. 06:39 PM - Re: New Guy (Ryan Mueller)
14. 06:45 PM - Re: Lycoming O-235 to purchase (Jerry Dotson)
15. 11:35 PM - Re: Lycoming O-235 to purchase (carson)
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| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
Kyle,
I just received this today, from fellow builder and all-around smart guy,
Clif Dawson: http://www.woodbin.com/ref/wood/
Take a look at Eastern Hemlock and Western Hemlock...the differences say it
all.
Happy building,
Gary from Cool
-----Original Message-----
From: Gboothe5 [mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:57 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: so i have been using poplar
Sorry, Kyle. I live on the west coast! I can't advise you to ignore AC43.13,
but...there was a time when airplanes got built without that...
Gary
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kyle85
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 9:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: so i have been using poplar
gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Kyle,
>
> You'll be fine! My entire Piet is Poplar, with the exception of the tail,
which is Hemlock, and the spars are fir...so I guess my entire Piet is NOT
Poplar...then there's the Hickory struts & prop...
>
> Gary from Cool
> ---
Gary,
I am curious about hemlock. AC 4313 calls out specifically Western Hemlock.
I called the lumber mill and they said all they had was Eastern Hemlcok,
which makes sense because I live on the east coast. Since you have worked
with this in the past, is there any real difference between the two?
Kyle
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I am still on the fence about an engine, but that can come=0Alast after the
rest of the airplane is built.=C2- All of the problems with the Ford cra
nkshafts have me scared of those=0Aengines.=C2- I am planning on using so
me=0Atype of 4 cylinder car engine, like the Mopar or Chevy 2.2L out of a C
avalier=0Aor K-Car (remember those?) great engine, though, some even turboc
harged!=0A=0AI notice on here that I can get a number of the components=0Ab
uilt for me, so the plane can be done that much faster.=C2- I understand
that Jack Phillips will build=0Awing ribs if you provide the wood.=C2- Th
at would be a great help :).=C2- I was wondering, though, if he would bui
ld=0Athe Riblett ribs for me instead?=C2- I would=0Alike the extra higher
stall speed that airfoil gives me.=0A=0AI have seen that other things like
hinges are available for=0Apurchase, and I would like to find someone to m
ake all of the metal=0Afittings.=C2- All of these things should=0Aspeed u
p the building process considerably. =0A=0A=0AI have never flown a tailwhee
l airplane, but I have flown=0Aalmost a hundred hours in CESSNAs, so I don
=99t think I will have any trouble=0Awith the Pietenpaul when it come
s time for my first test flight, possibly next=0Asummer or maybe fall.=0A
=0AThat is all I have for now.=C2- I will keep the list informed of my pr
ogress.=C2- I would appreciate it if all of you who can=0Aprovide ready-m
ade parts would send me your contact information and a list of=0Athe items
and prices you can provide.=C2- I=0Aam always available to answer any que
stions you may have, and to share my ideas=0Ato improve the basic Pietenpau
l.=C2- I am=0Alooking forward to meeting you all at Broadhead, and drinki
ng beer with the=0ABratmen!=0A=0A=0AOtis, AKA MasterBuilder=0A=0Ajust start
ing, and full steam ahead!
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| Subject: | EAA866 sets skydive record |
A cute photoshopped picture of our young eagles program last weekend
Do not archive
Ben Charvet
Titusville Fl
Subject: EAA866 sets skydive record
EAA866 sets 8 jumper skydive record from antique aeroplane over Dunn
Airpark.
Roger Scruggs
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This is either Ryan or John but its not April yet!
Pietenpaul indeed.
Jim B.
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| Subject: | previous post cut off |
Hi everyone, my first post was cut in two.=0A=0AHello everyone!=0AThis is m
y first time posting, but I am not new to the forum=0Aby any means.=C2- I
have been lurking on=0Ahere for quite some time, and have learned a lot fr
om listening to you guys.=C2- Most of you seem to have some reasonable=0A
ideas for fixing the plans, some of which could be improved upon a bit, tho
ugh.=C2- I have dreamed of building my own airplane=0Afor many years, and
I purchased a full set of Pietenpaul plans several years=0Aago.=C2- Sinc
e then, I have studied the=0Aplans and watched this list and figured out al
l of the changes that need to be=0Amade to make the aircraft reasonably fun
ctional, and save money in the process.=0AI have already designed my paint
scheme, which I will keep a=0Asecret for now (I would not want Gene Rambo t
o steal it), but it will modernize=0Athe look of the airplane a lot. =C2-
I also=0Alike the look of wire wheels, but the descriptions I have seen on
here on how=0Ato build them seem too complicated.=C2- I am=0Awondering wh
ether cable would be stronger than wire spokes. I am thinking about=0Alacin
g one continuous cable through all of the holes and pulling it tight with
=0Aa single small turnbuckle.=C2- I would like=0Ato hear from anyone on h
ere who has built their wheels this way.=0AI am still on the fence about an
engine, but that can come=0Alast after the rest of the airplane is built.
=C2- All of the problems with the Ford crankshafts have me scared of thos
e=0Aengines.=C2- I am planning on using some=0Atype of 4 cylinder car eng
ine, like the Mopar or Chevy 2.2L out of a Cavalier=0Aor K-Car (remember th
ose?) great engine, though, some even turbocharged!=0AI notice on here that
I can get a number of the components=0Abuilt for me, so the plane can be d
one that much faster.=C2- I understand that Jack Phillips will build wing
=0Aribs if you provide the wood. That would be a great help.=C2- I was wo
ndering, though, if he would build=0Athe Riblett ribs for me instead?=C2-
I would=0Alike the extra higher stall speed that airfoil gives me.=0AI hav
e seen that other things like hinges are available for=0Apurchase, and I wo
uld like to find someone to make all of the metal=0Afittings.=C2- All of
these things should=0Aspeed up the building process considerably. =0AI have
never flown a tailwheel airplane, but I have flown=0Aalmost a hundred hour
s in CESSNAs, so I don=99t think I will have any trouble=0Awith the P
ietenpaul when it comes time for my first test flight, possibly next=0Asumm
er or maybe fall.=0AThat is all I have for now.=C2- I will keep the list
informed of my progress.=C2- I would appreciate it if all of you who can
=0Aprovide ready-made parts would send me your contact information and a li
st of=0Athe items and prices you can provide.=C2- I=0Aam always available
to answer any questions you may have, and to share my ideas=0Ato improve t
he basic Pietenpaul.=C2- I am=0Alooking forward to meeting you all at Bro
adhead, and drinking beer with the=0ABratmen!=0AOtis, aka MasterBuilder=0AJ
ust getting started, full speed ahead!
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| Subject: | Copperstate Riff Raff |
During Copperstate week I met Gary Boothe at the local Spaghetti Company Restaurant
and was able to pick his brain for Piet info. I finally recieved the plans
and was able to go over a few details that had been unclear. Great company and
good info-Thanks Gary. Also Thanks to The creator of the West Coast Piet web
site as I have been lurking and have gleaned much useful info there as well
as to admire the rest of your finished Piet's and build progress.
Saturday at Copperstate I met Glider Mike and Dennis Hall. Dennis spent the day
showing off his fabulous Piet AKA Blue Heron Airplane. It was a chick magnet
and Dennis seemed up for the task. He seemed to relish his role as master builder/local
sex object. It was by far the largest crowd producer on the ramp.
That was with some other stunning airplanes vying for attention as well. It was
a pleasure to meet both and gain some much needed hands on with a well built
Piet. Thank you to all who tolerated my questions. Attached is a photo of the
Copperstate Riff Raff at Dennise's plane. The tall gentleman to the left is
my very good friend Dennis Mclain with whom I will be building the Piet. The middle
is Dennis Hall and the left is Glider Mike. All in all a great day at an
excellent Copperstate event. The weather was beautiful with very light winds.
Cheers all,
Bryan Reed
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| Subject: | Re: EAA866 sets skydive record |
I like it !!!!
--- On Sun, 10/23/11, Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA866 sets skydive record
A cute photoshopped picture of our young eagles program last weekend
Do not archive
Ben Charvet
Titusville Fl
Date:-Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:39:04 -0400
Subject:-EAA866 sets skydive record
EAA866 sets 8 jumper skydive record from antique aeroplane over Dunn Airpar
k.
Roger Scruggs
aerialcam@tvphotog.com
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www.youtube.com/surf4tv
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Not I good sir. Been travelling to LA today and running around since I got
here, haven't had time. :-)
Ryan
Sent from my mobile device
On Oct 23, 2011 1:02 PM, "Jim Boyer" <boyerjrb@comcast.net> wrote:
> This is either Ryan or John but its not April yet!
>
> Pietenpaul indeed.
>
> Jim B.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: previous post cut off |
Oh no, Mike Perez II
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-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Hays <lphays99@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:07 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: previous post cut off
Hi everyone, my first post was cut in two.
Hello everyone!
This is my first time posting, but I am not new to the forum by any means.
I have been lurking on here for quite some time, and have learned a lot fr
om listening to you guys. Most of you seem to have some reasonable ideas f
or fixing the plans, some of which could be improved upon a bit, though. I
have dreamed of building my own airplane for many years, and I purchased a
full set of Pietenpaul plans several years ago. Since then, I have studie
d the plans and watched this list and figured out all of the changes that n
eed to be made to make the aircraft reasonably functional, and save money i
n the process.
I have already designed my paint scheme, which I will keep a secret for now
(I would not want Gene Rambo to steal it), but it will modernize the look
of the airplane a lot. I also like the look of wire wheels, but the descri
ptions I have seen on here on how to build them seem too complicated. I am
wondering whether cable would be stronger than wire spokes. I am thinking
about lacing one continuous cable through all of the holes and pulling it t
ight with a single small turnbuckle. I would like to hear from anyone on h
ere who has built their wheels this way.
I am still on the fence about an engine, but that can come last after the r
est of the airplane is built. All of the problems with the Ford crankshaft
s have me scared of those engines. I am planning on using some type of 4 c
ylinder car engine, like the Mopar or Chevy 2.2L out of a Cavalier or K-Car
(remember those?) great engine, though, some even turbocharged!
I notice on here that I can get a number of the components built for me, so
the plane can be done that much faster. I understand that Jack Phillips w
ill build wing ribs if you provide the wood. That would be a great help. I
was wondering, though, if he would build the Riblett ribs for me instead?
I would like the extra higher stall speed that airfoil gives me.
I have seen that other things like hinges are available for purchase, and I
would like to find someone to make all of the metal fittings. All of thes
e things should speed up the building process considerably.
I have never flown a tailwheel airplane, but I have flown almost a hundred
hours in CESSNAs, so I don=99t think I will have any trouble with the
Pietenpaul when it comes time for my first test flight, possibly next summ
er or maybe fall.
That is all I have for now. I will keep the list informed of my progress.
I would appreciate it if all of you who can provide ready-made parts would
send me your contact information and a list of the items and prices you ca
n provide. I am always available to answer any questions you may have, and
to share my ideas to improve the basic Pietenpaul. I am looking forward t
o meeting you all at Broadhead, and drinking beer with the Bratmen!
Otis, aka MasterBuilder
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| Subject: | Lycoming O-235 to purchase |
I need some advice from the group.
I have found a Lycoming O-235 engine in pieces here locally. Supposedly, the seller's
dad was an A&P and he had started to rebuild it when he passed away about
5 years ago. He says that he has the engine logbook for it, but he does not
know what aircraft the engine came out of, number of hours on the engine, etc.
It appears to have most of the parts, according to him. It has one magneto,
no carburetor, and the crank (I think) has a tag indicating it has been magna
fluxed. The case is together and has been painted, which would hint at the fact
it is a good case. He has sold other cases his dad had, and none of the buyers
complained later about the case they purchased being bad. He wants $950 for
the lot.
I have not gone to look at it yet, but I wanted to ask some questions.
1. Is the O-235 too heavy for the metal fuselage (13 and 1/2 foot length) that
I purchased recently. Is it going to give me any W&B issues in that combination?
2. I am being honest here- I am not a gearhead, so what should I look for?
3. Is that a good price for a good engine in pieces?
4. Any other words of advice?
Thanks in advance for your advice.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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Weren't me, although I did enjoy it. I was in Minnesota this weekend
tailgating the the Gopher game who only lost to Nebraska by 27.
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John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Oct 23, 2011, at 2:57 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:
> This is either Ryan or John but its not April yet!
> Pietenpaul indeed.
> Jim B.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming O-235 to purchase |
I think you can get some weight comparisons on-line- the price sounds pretty tempting
to me too. I do think I have seen in various posts that the 235 is getting
really expensive to overhaul due to really high prices of rings and other
key parts. also seems like there was a worse than average problem with them leading
up spark plugs.I'm sure I'll be corrected if that's not right but I believe
that's one reason a lot of folks have tried to go to other engines. Raymond
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A search of the archives indicates this is a real person. Jack makes a post
earlier in the year about seeing Gene and his friend Pete Hays at the Twin
Rivers Falls flyin. However, since he's Gene's friend it is still entirely
possible he's just joshing...
Sent from my mobile device
On Oct 23, 2011 5:24 PM, "John Hofmann" <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com> wrote:
> Weren't me, although I did enjoy it. I was in Minnesota this weekend
> tailgating the the Gopher game who only lost to Nebraska by 27.
>
> do not archive
>
>
> John Hofmann
> Vice-President, Information Technology
> The Rees Group, Inc.
> 2424 American Lane
> Madison, WI 53704
> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
> Fax: 608.443.2474
> Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
>
> On Oct 23, 2011, at 2:57 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:
>
> This is either Ryan or John but its not April yet!
> Pietenpaul indeed.
> Jim B.
>
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming O-235 to purchase |
Terry I overhauled my O-235 about a year ago and the only parts that I bought that
were really expensive were the piston rings. They were $440 for a set. Look
at the valve lifters. If you need those they are $60 + each X 8. If the crankshaft,
camshaft, and crankcase are serviceable I would consider it worth the
money. It is heavier than the Continentals. Mine weighs 239# ready to run with
starter and no alternator. I gave $2000 for mine and lucked out. It was removed
from a 1971 Grumman AA-1 in 2000 for an O-320 upgrade and sat it a hangar for
9 years. It has 2050 hours on it. It had been top overhauled at 1600 hours
with chrome cylinders so that made my major relatively cheap because the pistons,
cylinders and valves were in good condition. I was expecting to pay $4000
or so for parts but wound up with about $1500. Spelled LUCK. Hope this helps and
adds no confusion.
do not archive
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C 2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming O-235 to purchase |
Terry
I got my 235 for $1500 missing pots mags and carb
I brought an overhaul manual and got every part new that the manual recommended including .10 oversize pistons for about $2200 from http://aircraft-specialties.com/ not sure where they are but somewhere in the states.
I got the pot over here due to the cost of shipping
Carson
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