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1. 12:38 AM - Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (carson)
2. 03:04 AM - Re: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (Jack)
3. 03:19 AM - Re: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (Jack)
4. 03:50 AM - Re: so i have been using poplar (Kyle85)
5. 05:34 AM - Re: Lycoming O-235 to purchase (skellytown flyer)
6. 05:45 AM - Re: Lycoming O-235 to purchase (carson)
7. 06:18 AM - Re: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (Gboothe5)
8. 06:41 AM - New Guy (Lawrence Williams)
9. 07:22 AM - Re: New Guy (jim_markle@mindspring.com)
10. 07:24 AM - Re: previous post cut off (Michael Perez)
11. 07:30 AM - Re: New Guy (Ryan Mueller)
12. 11:57 AM - Re: EAA866 sets skydive record (Jim Ash)
13. 02:25 PM - Re: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (Jim Boyer)
14. 02:56 PM - Re: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (Michael Perez)
15. 03:15 PM - Re: EAA866 sets skydive record (Ben Charvet)
16. 03:33 PM - Re: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (Gboothe5)
17. 04:10 PM - Cover (Gboothe5)
18. 04:45 PM - Re: Cover (Jim Boyer)
19. 04:53 PM - Re: Cover (Gboothe5)
20. 05:49 PM - Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (Bill Church)
21. 06:25 PM - Piet friendly intercom systems (tools)
22. 06:38 PM - Re: Cover (V Groah)
23. 06:52 PM - Re: Cover (Bill Church)
24. 07:03 PM - Re: Re: Cover (Gboothe5)
25. 07:31 PM - pietenpol in school (cutlertxs@comcast.net)
26. 07:50 PM - Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (carson)
27. 08:16 PM - Re: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (Gboothe5)
28. 08:35 PM - Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (carson)
29. 08:45 PM - Re: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank (Gboothe5)
30. 09:53 PM - Center section - covering the cutout (Greg Bacon)
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
For the guys that have riveted there tank
What type of rivets have you used?
And how good is the pro seal?
Carson
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Carson, the fuel tank sealant is very good, Vans sells it here
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1319450335-180-648&bro
wse=misc&product=proseal I used plain steel pop-rivets.
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
For the guys that have riveted there tank
What type of rivets have you used?
And how good is the pro seal?
Carson
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Try pasting this...
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1319450335-180-648&bro
wse=misc&product=proseal
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 5:02 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Carson, the fuel tank sealant is very good, Vans sells it here
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1319450335-180-648&bro
wse=misc&product=proseal I used plain steel pop-rivets.
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
For the guys that have riveted there tank
What type of rivets have you used?
And how good is the pro seal?
Carson
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| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
Gary,
Thanks for the link. I guess there really is no question these woods are dramatically
different. A lot of other good info on that site as well.
-Kyle
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming O-235 to purchase |
I had hoped more good info would be on for you by now. -the prices I have heard
posted since-haven't sounded too out of line.as soon as I said what I did about
the 235 I got to thinking it may be the O-290 that was the one that seemed
to be the more expensive one to get parts for.sorry if I gave any bad info. either
way if that case and crank is use-able- it sounds to me like a good deal.if
the weight is in the green- that should be a heck of a power plant on a Piet.might
be awful heavy with a starter but I bet they aren't that hard to prop.Raymond
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming O-235 to purchase |
I Have done some searches and the weight should be close to the Corvair but Jerry
should have a better idea
I think around 250lbs but don't quote me on that it was a while ago
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Carson,
I used Avex pop rivets...had a bunch leftover from a previous project. The
heads of my rivet gun and puller are concaved out so that they leave a domed
head on the rivet...pretty cool. This was done according to the Zodiac 601
plans.
Pro-seal worked great, but I have only run 5 gals of fuel thru the tank.
Gary from Cool
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
For the guys that have riveted there tank
What type of rivets have you used?
And how good is the pro seal?
Carson
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Welcome to the list.
We are always looking for ways to build Air Campers more quickly. Out-sourcing
all the "Hard stuff" is a great idea and straightening out those impossible plans
is a great idea, too. I agree about those Ford engine cranks....never did
really see why people ever used them in the first place. Practically any other
4 cylinder car engine would be a good choice and there shouldn't be any major
problems modifying them to turn a prop.
I for one, am anxious to hear of your progress. Sounds like you've set a realistic
deadline for yourself and have some wonderful ideas to bring the old bird
into the 21st century. Can't wait to check out your paint scheme because I've
been stumped trying to figure out something that would make mine look more modern.
Even though you don't have any hands-on experience, you sound very knowledgeable
and might consider making and selling DVD's as you progress with your assembly
for those of us who don't have your vision or talents and for future builders.
It would be a shame for them to build to-th- plans when there is fresh thinking
and newer ideas to be taken advantage of.
Looking forward to pictures of your project!!
Larry
ps. maybe I missed it but you didn't say where you are from. I get the feeling
that it could be south somewhere. Belize, perhaps???
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| Subject: | Re: previous post cut off |
Hey! Hey! HEY!- You better watch yourself Danny.- I can't be associated
with the original posting. It is OBVIOUS those ideas are clearly NOT the b
est improvements/mods. for the Pietenpol...if they were I would have come u
p with them first. The ideas posted can easily be improved, which I will do
as soon as I figure out how to butt weld my aluminum fuel tank using a han
dheld propane torch and SS welding wire.
-
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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It's all the HUGE pictures that people post to the list choking down the
Matronics server....
Ryan
Do not archive
Sent from my mobile device
On Oct 24, 2011 7:24 AM, <jim_markle@mindspring.com> wrote:
> ** Is anyone else getting Matronics messages slow? I'm SURE this message
> went out several days ago but I'm JUST receiving it today!?
>
> I usually get these notes quicker but this one took a LOT longer than I
> would have expected....
>
> Oh....it's from Larry.......never mind.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: * Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com>
> *Sender: * owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> *Date: *Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:39:04 -0700 (PDT)
> *To: *Pietlist<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> *ReplyTo: * pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject: *Pietenpol-List: New Guy
>
> Welcome to the list.
>
> We are always looking for ways to build Air Campers more quickly.
> Out-sourcing all the "Hard stuff" is a great idea and straightening out
> those impossible plans is a great idea, too. I agree about those Ford engine
> cranks....never did really see why people ever used them in the first place.
> Practically any other 4 cylinder car engine would be a good choice and there
> shouldn't be any major problems modifying them to turn a prop.
>
> I for one, am anxious to hear of your progress. Sounds like you've set a
> realistic deadline for yourself and have some wonderful ideas to bring the
> old bird into the 21st century. Can't wait to check out your paint scheme
> because I've been stumped trying to figure out something that would make
> mine look more modern.
>
> Even though you don't have any hands-on experience, you sound very
> knowledgeable and might consider making and selling DVD's as you progress
> with your assembly for those of us who don't have your vision or talents and
> for future builders. It would be a shame for them to build to-th- plans when
> there is fresh thinking and newer ideas to be taken advantage of.
>
> Looking forward to pictures of your project!!
>
> Larry
>
> ps. maybe I missed it but you didn't say where you are from. I get the
> feeling that it could be south somewhere. Belize, perhaps???
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EAA866 sets skydive record |
I'm guessing your w&b was a little off.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Charvet
Sent: Oct 23, 2011 3:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA866 sets skydive record
A cute photoshopped picture of our young eagles program last weekend
Do not archive
Ben Charvet
Titusville Fl
Subject: EAA866 sets skydive record
EAA866 sets 8 jumper skydive record from antique aeroplane over Dunn Airpark.
Roger Scruggs
aerialcam@tvphotog.com
www.tvphotog.com
www.flickr.com/av8rtv
www.youtube.com/tvphotogcom
www.youtube.com/surf4tv
321 795-6545
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Hey Gary,
How about an update photo of your covering job on your Piet?
Thanks,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
The wing tank pictures I have seen posted, it appears that the inside baffl
es and outer end "rib" pieces have flanges bent on both the ends and the bo
ttom. If one set of bends are made across the grain, then the other set of
bends on that same piece would be with the grain. (yes?)
I assume the material was oriented so that all bends were diagonal to the g
rain. Is this correct?---
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: EAA866 sets skydive record |
Young eagles don't weigh much....
On 10/24/2011 2:54 PM, Jim Ash wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash<ashcan@earthlink.net>
>
> I'm guessing your w&b was a little off.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Charvet
> Sent: Oct 23, 2011 3:48 PM
> To: Pietenpol list
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA866 sets skydive record
>
>
> A cute photoshopped picture of our young eagles program last weekend
>
> Do not archive
>
> Ben Charvet
> Titusville Fl
>
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:39:04 -0400
> Subject: EAA866 sets skydive record
> EAA866 sets 8 jumper skydive record from antique aeroplane over Dunn Airpark.
>
>
> Roger Scruggs
> aerialcam@tvphotog.com
> www.tvphotog.com
> www.flickr.com/av8rtv
> www.youtube.com/tvphotogcom
> www.youtube.com/surf4tv
> 321 795-6545
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Why would you assume that?
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:53 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
The wing tank pictures I have seen posted, it appears that the inside
baffles and outer end "rib" pieces have flanges bent on both the ends and
the bottom. If one set of bends are made across the grain, then the other
set of bends on that same piece would be with the grain. (yes?)
I assume the material was oriented so that all bends were diagonal to the
grain. Is this correct?
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Ah-ha! You tried to catch me, Jim! I almost included paint
pictures
Gary from Cool
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Boyer
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Hey Gary,
How about an update photo of your covering job on your Piet?
Thanks,
Jim B.
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Gary its looking really good; why not the paint pictures? I would certainly never
copy your paint scheme unlike some others!
Kinda looks like you are going for the German WW1 look with those green square
(ekco bond) outlines.
Glad to see you have trained your son so well; since he lives so close to me maybe
he can help me cover some this winter?
How about borrowing some 1/8" clecos from you when we meet for Patrick and Mary
for lunch? I need about 15 if you have that many to spare for a month.
Thanks,
Jim
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Jim =93 got clecos up the wazoo!! Don=99t be afraid to
remind me as we get closer to the date
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Boyer
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cover
Gary its looking really good; why not the paint pictures? I would
certainly never copy your paint scheme unlike some others!
Kinda looks like you are going for the German WW1 look with those green
square (ekco bond) outlines.
Glad to see you have trained your son so well; since he lives so close
to me maybe he can help me cover some this winter?
How about borrowing some 1/8" clecos from you when we meet for Patrick
and Mary for lunch? I need about 15 if you have that many to spare for a
month.
Thanks,
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Sometimes... no, A LOT of times it is necessary to have bends that are across the
grain and also with the grain. When bends are made parallel to the grain, a
larger radius needs to be used to avoid over-stressing the metal (cracking).
That's life.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Piet friendly intercom systems |
Having a difficult time with comms in the Piet. Is there a simple PTT intercom
system available? They all seem to be VOX only until you get to the five hundred
buck range. Would also like independently adjustable volume.
Thanks,
Tools
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Hey you two=2C gary and Jim=2C Where are you both in your progress. I have
not been watching the list as closely as I should and am out of the loop.
Sounds like paint has been put on. GREAT! I would like to hear about and
see the progress shots.
We have been doing almost nothing this fall. Hope to get busy come early w
inter. Want to fly next spring. Wish us luck=2C we will need it=2C no han
ger in sight yet. Vic N414MV Tulare Ca.
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From: gboothe5@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cover
Jim ' got clecos up the wazoo!! Don=92t be afraid to remind me as we get
closer to the date=85
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer
Sent: Monday=2C October 24=2C 2011 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cover
Gary its looking really good=3B why not the paint pictures? I would certain
ly never copy your paint scheme unlike some others!
Kinda looks like you are going for the German WW1 look with those green squ
are (ekco bond) outlines.
Glad to see you have trained your son so well=3B since he lives so close to
me maybe he can help me cover some this winter?
How about borrowing some 1/8" clecos from you when we meet for Patrick and
Mary for lunch? I need about 15 if you have that many to spare for a month.
Thanks=2C
Jim
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That was close, Gary. You almost let slip your plan for a black and yellow paint
scheme.
BC
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No. Yellow and Black...oops!
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 6:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cover
That was close, Gary. You almost let slip your plan for a black and yellow
paint scheme.
BC
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| Subject: | pietenpol in school |
I'm a middle school science teacher that is having one of my science classe
s building a Pietenpol.=C2- I was just featured in our community's newspa
per.=C2- Here's a link to see what we're doing.=C2- http://www.theolymp
ian.com/2011/10/24/1849966/physics-fanaticism-taking-flight.html
Scott
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Hay Jack have you made inspection holes through the top like Gary to get the sealant
in?
Gary are those covers screwed on and how have you sealed underneath?
I think I am going to start again and rivet the tank
Thanks
Carson
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Carson,
I first made 'backer plates' to receive sheet metal screws, but the covers
are sealed and held in place with the screws. Inner tank repairs will
require screw removal, then working the covers loose from the
sealant...sorta like on a Mooney.
Gary
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Hay Jack have you made inspection holes through the top like Gary to get the
sealant in?
Gary are those covers screwed on and how have you sealed underneath?
I think I am going to start again and rivet the tank
Thanks
Carson
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Thanks Gary
One more question did you make the backer plates thick enough so the screws did
not go all the way through?
carson
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Backer plates are only .040. Screws are set in sealant, too.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Thanks Gary
One more question did you make the backer plates thick enough so the screws
did not go all the way through?
carson
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| Subject: | Center section - covering the cutout |
Hello Everyone,
The Mountain Piet center section is ready for covering, see pic attached.
Can someone give me some advice on the best way to cover the cutout?
By the way, the wing panel is 95% varnished and almost ready for covering as
well. My goal is to fly Mountain Piet sometime this Winter. Should make it
to Brodhead in 2012.
Thanks,
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Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
N114D (Mountain Piet)
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