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2. 06:05 AM - Re: If you've been to Corvair College... (Kip and Beth Gardner)
3. 05:00 PM - Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In Plane Crash (Ryan M)
4. 05:13 PM - Re: Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In Plane Crash (Ryan M)
5. 06:25 PM - Re: If you've been to Corvair College... (kevinpurtee)
6. 08:04 PM - thermalling in a Piet (Dan Yocum)
7. 09:15 PM - Re: If you've been to Corvair College... (dgaldrich)
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| Subject: | Re: If you've been to Corvair College... |
I say by all means go. If you are worried about the weight then don't. It will
be a lot lighter when you bring it home. also clean it up as much as you can.
Cheers, Gardiner
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From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
Sent: Fri, October 28, 2011 9:42:57 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: If you've been to Corvair College...
<kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
John,
Go - Go -Go!!! I can't say whether or not your wife would enjoy it - mine came
for the meals at the one we hosted here 6-7 yrs. ago (#7 or 8, I forget) &
enjoyed visiting with people, but would have probably been bored by the workshop
portions. Maybe there is something nearby she could go see or do - you sure as
heck won't need the car. I doubt you'll leave for much more than sleeping &
that's overrated :) By all means take your engine - there will be tools &
help a-plenty. Even if all you do is take it apart, you will have accomplished
a lot more than you might realize now & will gain a huge amount of knowledge
about YOUR engine that will help you get it back together correctly. To go
without taking your engine would make the experience much less than it could
be. Take whatever basic hand tools you have (wrenches, sockets, screwdrivers,
the like), a cordless drill, maybe some wire wheels for the drill, deadblow
hammer or rubber mallet - whatever you have & have room to take.
Most of all, prepare to have a lot of fun & the enjoyment of working beside both
experts and others like yourself who are living the dream. It's a fantastic
experience, not matter how you look at it.
Kip Gardner
On Oct 28, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Pocono John wrote:
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> What goes on there? If my wife goes, will she be bored? It's a 13 hour drive,
>so I wonder if I should wait for one to be held closer.
>
> I don't know if I should bring an engine (if I go). I haven't done a thing with
>it, so it seems I would just take it apart there and return home with the
>pieces. I have no idea what tools I'd need or how to get it from my van to the
>table in the hanger.
>
> I have not yet ordered wood. Should I save the visit for a few years and focus
>on the Piet (just park the engine out of the way for now)?
>
> Thank you in advance for your suggestions.
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: If you've been to Corvair College... |
While I can agree with a lot of what Ryan says, I also feel that there
is a definite benefit to doing the disassembly at a CC. I didn't, and
even though I had read WW's manual through several times, I still made
a few mistakes, fortunately, none costly. What you'll get from the
CC are two huge benefits. One, the "psych" factor is great - it will
really help pump you up for moving your project forward. Second,
there is a huge pool of knowledge among the participants at these
events that will help you regardless of what stage you are at, and you
will learn things that neither the manuals or any video covers. I
guess I'm different from young whippersnappers like Ryan in that I
think face to face encounters are much more valuable than any
electronic medium (I also avoid texting & tweeting, so I guess I'm
officially an old fart). I can't argue with Ryan's logic regarding
the staging of construction, and it may be a better allocation of your
time & money to start on the airframe at this point, but if you have
the option, I'd still say get thee to a CC ASAP, and defer any work on
your engine until you can take it with you. Gardineier's advice about
cleaning it up is good - I'd recommend a heavy cleanup with Gunk, etc.
just prior to going to a CC. Don't do it too far ahead - all that
accumulated grease is still helping inhibit rust ;).
Kip Gardner
On Oct 29, 2011, at 2:23 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> John,
>
> CC's are a fun time, and there is plenty to learn. However, as you
> have not yet ordered any wood for the Piet, and all you would be
> accomplishing is a teardown of an engine that you won't be needing
> for quite some time, I would pass on this CC. You can take the money
> you will spend on gas, food, and lodging and invest in wood so you
> can actually start building. You'll also keep from souring your wife
> on the whole idea of the airplane after dragging her on a 26 hour
> round trip cross country drive just so you can do something you can
> accomplish right there in your own garage.
>
> Tearing down a Corvair is not that difficult. To do it successfully
> you just need to take your time, and use the right tool/method for
> the various situations you encounter. Get William's manual and read
> the disassembly section....pick up a copy of the Green Manual and
> have that on hand for reference. William even sells a disassembly
> DVD to give you a better idea of how it all comes apart before you
> wade in to it. And be patient....if you are taking it apart and run
> into a snag that requires a different tool/penetrating oil/method
> that you will have to run out and pick up, just stop there until you
> can get what you need. Get all excited and impatient and just do
> whatever it takes to get past the issue and you can end up causing
> yourself more money and hassle down the road reworking something you
> damaged because you couldn't wait a day. Besides, it will take
> longer to build your airframe and get it to the point of hanging the
> engine than it will to overhaul said engine....don't rush it.
>
> As I said, CC's are a great resource, are plenty of fun, and very
> inspirational and informative. However, if all you will be doing is
> disassembling the engine or cleaning parts, and it will be that far
> of a trip for you, I would save the money and accomplish those basic
> tasks on your own. Save your trip for when you are ready to assemble
> (or find one closer). The next one ought to be in Hillsdale, MI,
> maybe that would be a little closer....
>
> Ryan
>
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net
> > wrote:
> >
>
> John,
>
> Go - Go -Go!!! I can't say whether or not your wife would enjoy it
> - mine came for the meals at the one we hosted here 6-7 yrs. ago (#7
> or 8, I forget) & enjoyed visiting with people, but would have
> probably been bored by the workshop portions. Maybe there is
> something nearby she could go see or do - you sure as heck won't
> need the car. I doubt you'll leave for much more than sleeping &
> that's overrated :) By all means take your engine - there will be
> tools & help a-plenty. Even if all you do is take it apart, you
> will have accomplished a lot more than you might realize now & will
> gain a huge amount of knowledge about YOUR engine that will help you
> get it back together correctly. To go without taking your engine
> would make the experience much less than it could be. Take whatever
> basic hand tools you have (wrenches, sockets, screwdrivers, the
> like), a cordless drill, maybe some wire wheels for the drill,
> deadblow hammer or rubber mallet - whatever you have & have room to
> take.
>
> Most of all, prepare to have a lot of fun & the enjoyment of working
> beside both experts and others like yourself who are living the
> dream. It's a fantastic experience, not matter how you look at it.
>
> Kip Gardner
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Pocono John wrote:
>
> >
>
> What goes on there? If my wife goes, will she be bored? It's a 13
> hour drive, so I wonder if I should wait for one to be held closer.
>
> I don't know if I should bring an engine (if I go). I haven't done a
> thing with it, so it seems I would just take it apart there and
> return home with the pieces. I have no idea what tools I'd need or
> how to get it from my van to the table in the hanger.
>
> I have not yet ordered wood. Should I save the visit for a few years
> and focus on the Piet (just park the engine out of the way for now)?
>
> Thank you in advance for your suggestions.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356229#356229
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In Plane Crash |
Our prayers are with the pilot.-http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2011/10/exp
erimental-pietenpol-air-camper-one.html
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In Plane |
Crash
Original article, with better pic's at-http://www.wytv.com/mostpopular/st
ory/Plane-Goes-Down-In-Vienna-Twp-Backyard/Se1eiikIBUKo6yYfSYTOww.cspx. Ama
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om: Ryan M <aircamperace@yahoo.com>=0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <p
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rash=0A=0A=0AOur prayers are with the pilot.-http://www.kathrynsreport.co
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| Subject: | Re: If you've been to Corvair College... |
John - I think Ryan's right. You should probably focus on getting started on the
airplane. There will likely be a college closer to you when the timing makes
more sense.
Full disclosure: I haven't actually been to a college. I do, however, fly the
tar out of a corvair piet that I built.
I want to attend a college, and will, but I haven't had the opportunity yet. Kip
and Gardiner have both attended, sounds like, and I believe their reviews,
and I've heard nothing but good things myself. I just think you may want to spend
your resources on other things right now. Three hours away would be a no-brainer.
Thirteen hours is a long trip.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | thermalling in a Piet |
I had a just a great flight in N8031, today. Actually, it was
dumbfoundingly great. It was 52 degrees, a little chilly, but I put the
front cockpit cover and my fuzzy flying helmet on and it wasn't too bad.
I took off and headed west.
I have been meaning to measure the rate of climb since Jack did his
experiment several months ago. My ASI is just dead weight, and I had my
timer running on my iPhone, so I started at 1500 MSL and started to
climb, noting my final altitude after 1 minute. I ended up at about
2020', so about 520 fpm. This is the second time in 2 weeks that I've
got the same number (it was 70 degrees the last time I did this), so I'm
satisfied with saying that ~520 fpm at 57mph is the max rate of climb.
My prop is a McCauley Met-L-Prop 74-42. The weight of my plane today
was 950 with me and fuel.
At about the time I finished the test something caught my eye. A flock
of birds? No... what the... corn husks! A pillar of corn husks from
the ground all the way up to cloud base at 6500'.
After seeing the popsdory "Climbing Out Deadstick" video
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-u-MCDi7Gk) last week that was linked
in an online EAA newsletter, I thought wouldn't that be cool? I wonder
if a Piet can do that? It's true that a Piet and a T-Craft have
different wingspans and different airfoils, but what if the thermal was
strong enough. Let me tell you, this sucker was strong enough!
So, I headed for the monster. It was HUGE with a diameter of 1/2 mile,
easily. Now, I didn't feel as comfortable in my skills as popsdory -
it's been a while since I've done any soaring - so I didn't shut the
engine down. Truth-be-told, I only throttled back to 1400-1500RPM, but
I climbed and climbed and climbed! I cranked her over into a 45 degree
bank, held her at about 47mph and in 4 turns I climbed to 4000' MSL.
That's a gain of 2000' in maybe 2-3 minutes. This is exciting!
Olson Airport is pretty close to, but still under, the edge of the
O'Hare Class B which has an altitude of 4000' AGL, there. I decided to
bail out and take inventory. Wow. What a ride. I headed NE for about
a minute and thought - hold it, I'm at 4000' MSL, which is only 3000'
AGL. Let's go back and see what this thing can do! So back in I went.
After 6 more turns I was up to 5000MSL and it was cold, so I left for
the last time. I hadn't planned to stay out for very long, anyway.
Here's the GPS track of my flight:
http://gps.motionx.com/maps/ca4b4d6334129b61bf630725a2076a53
You can see the spirals where I was thermalling. What a hoot!
So, yes, if the thermals are strong enough, you *can* soar in a Pietenpol.
Cheers,
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: If you've been to Corvair College... |
I have mixed feelings on this question.
1. If you go, you will certainly learn whether Corvair is the power you want to
use. It's not for everyone for legitimate reasons so finding out early is probably
a good thing. If you bring your wife, she can keep mine company. This
will be her second and there are a few other wives that get together. If you've
been following the Corvair for a while, you've probably heard of Dan Weseman:
he makes a fifth bearing for the Corvair but his parents regularly attend
the colleges. His mother is a wonderful lady and tends to collect the other
wives. Otherwise, Augusta, GA is close for the tourist in her. Savannah and
Charleston are less than 2 hours
2. If you don't go, then you can spend the time and money on wood, as others have
suggested. There is something satisfying about making ribs and watching the
stack grow. This summer, Roy will almost certainly hold a college in the greater
Detroit area and that has GOT to be a shorter drive.
Regardless of when you go (notice the "when" not "if") take everything you have
that says Chevrolet on it. As far as unloading, wrestling, whatever, there are
always guys who are more than willing to help. Take whatever SAE tools you
have; any specialty tools will be somewhere to be borrowed. If you have all
the parts ready for assembly (crank prepped primarily) you can, in fact, assemble
and run your engine in one weekend and still enjoy the evening adult beverage.
If it were me, I think I'd buy wood now and disassemble the engine in my garage.
I've got a copy of Wynne's dis-assembly video that I can loan you. Then send
the crank to Roy and have him hold it until the summer when he hosts the next
college. That and two big checks -- one to William and one to Clark's -- and
you have a running engine. Maybe additional checks to Dan and Mark but those
are sort of options.
My $.02
Dave Aldrich
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