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1. 04:38 AM - Re: thermalling in a Piet (Jack Phillips)
2. 06:24 AM - Re: Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In Plane Crash ()
3. 08:59 AM - thermalling in a Piet (Dan Yocum)
4. 09:00 AM - Re: Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In Plane Crash (shad bell)
5. 11:02 AM - Re: Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In Plane Crash (gliderx5@comcast.net)
6. 02:02 PM - In Orlando thru Friday Morning (kevinpurtee)
7. 02:33 PM - Re: Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In Plane Crash (shad bell)
8. 02:47 PM - Re: Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In Plane Crash (Jason Holmes)
9. 04:24 PM - Nashville Pietenpol'ers (shad bell)
10. 05:33 PM - Re: Nashville Pietenpol'ers (tools)
11. 10:46 PM - Re: Re: Nashville Pietenpol'ers (shad bell)
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| Subject: | thermalling in a Piet |
Very cool, Dan! As an interesting aside, I sold my Sensenich propeller
(after I got my Cloudcars prop) to Joe "Pops" Dory, to put on his
Taylorcraft. That's not the prop shown in the video.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 11:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: thermalling in a Piet
I had a just a great flight in N8031, today. Actually, it was
dumbfoundingly great. It was 52 degrees, a little chilly, but I put the
front cockpit cover and my fuzzy flying helmet on and it wasn't too bad.
I took off and headed west.
I have been meaning to measure the rate of climb since Jack did his
experiment several months ago. My ASI is just dead weight, and I had my
timer running on my iPhone, so I started at 1500 MSL and started to
climb, noting my final altitude after 1 minute. I ended up at about
2020', so about 520 fpm. This is the second time in 2 weeks that I've
got the same number (it was 70 degrees the last time I did this), so I'm
satisfied with saying that ~520 fpm at 57mph is the max rate of climb.
My prop is a McCauley Met-L-Prop 74-42. The weight of my plane today
was 950 with me and fuel.
At about the time I finished the test something caught my eye. A flock
of birds? No... what the... corn husks! A pillar of corn husks from
the ground all the way up to cloud base at 6500'.
After seeing the popsdory "Climbing Out Deadstick" video
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-u-MCDi7Gk) last week that was linked
in an online EAA newsletter, I thought wouldn't that be cool? I wonder
if a Piet can do that? It's true that a Piet and a T-Craft have
different wingspans and different airfoils, but what if the thermal was
strong enough. Let me tell you, this sucker was strong enough!
So, I headed for the monster. It was HUGE with a diameter of 1/2 mile,
easily. Now, I didn't feel as comfortable in my skills as popsdory -
it's been a while since I've done any soaring - so I didn't shut the
engine down. Truth-be-told, I only throttled back to 1400-1500RPM, but
I climbed and climbed and climbed! I cranked her over into a 45 degree
bank, held her at about 47mph and in 4 turns I climbed to 4000' MSL.
That's a gain of 2000' in maybe 2-3 minutes. This is exciting!
Olson Airport is pretty close to, but still under, the edge of the
O'Hare Class B which has an altitude of 4000' AGL, there. I decided to
bail out and take inventory. Wow. What a ride. I headed NE for about
a minute and thought - hold it, I'm at 4000' MSL, which is only 3000'
AGL. Let's go back and see what this thing can do! So back in I went.
After 6 more turns I was up to 5000MSL and it was cold, so I left for
the last time. I hadn't planned to stay out for very long, anyway.
Here's the GPS track of my flight:
http://gps.motionx.com/maps/ca4b4d6334129b61bf630725a2076a53
You can see the spirals where I was thermalling. What a hoot!
So, yes, if the thermals are strong enough, you *can* soar in a Pietenpol.
Cheers,
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In Plane |
Crash
>From the picture it looks like he was lucky to be alive. Wonder what went w
rong.
Rodney
---- Ryan M <aircamperace@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Our prayers are with the pilot.=C2-http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2011/10
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| Subject: | thermalling in a Piet |
I graphed out the altitude as a function of time and the first time I
was in the thermal I was climbing at 750fpm. The second time I missed
the core of the thermal and only skirted the outside and climbed at
380fpm.
All this at 1400RPM - definitely not a climb setting!
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In Plane |
Crash
Our prayers are with him for a complete and speedy recovery.- This is a g
ood time to sit and think "what would I have done if that were me?"- Some
things are unavoidable and they happen, but most are due to our nature I b
elieve.- My thinking of ,it won't happen to me, changed the 1st time I wa
s faced with an emergency situation in the air.- It looks like all things
considdered this had a better outcome than it could have.- IFpossible ab
ort, abort abort, I have had that split second reaction of denial that the
engine was running rough, but never at that critical of a point low to the
ground, and over hostile terrain.-Never push into a bad situation expecti
ng it to get better they usually don't.- My Dad still preaches to me,-
"Don't worry about saving the airplane, save yourself".- He still drills
that in to me every time I go flying and he is there.- I think this Genta
lmen who had the misfortune did what he had to do at the time.- I am in N
O
WAYcriticising what he did.- I am simply talking about reviewing what ha
ppened, think about it and lets all learn from others misfortunes to try to
prevent our own.-
-
My thoughts and prayers to him and his family,
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In Plane |
Crash
I've been watching this thread for details of what happened. Did I miss the
m? I'm wondering what DID happen, and what the pilot DID do. No sense specu
lating on the cause or pilot reactions or trying to learn how we can preven
t what happened until we actually know what happened. Are those details ava
ilable yet?
Malcolm Morrison
----- Original Message -----
From: "shad bell" <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 11:56:12 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In Pl
ane Crash
Our prayers are with him for a complete and speedy recovery. This is a good
time to sit and think "what would I have done if that were me?" Some thing
s are unavoidable and they happen, but most are due to our nature I believe
. My thinking of ,it won't happen to me, changed the 1st time I was faced w
ith an emergency situation in the air. It looks like all things considdered
this had a better outcome than it could have. IFpossible abort, abort abor
t, I have had that split second reaction of denial that the engine was runn
ing rough, but never at that critical of a point low to the ground, and ove
r hostile terrain. Never push into a bad situation expecting it to get bett
er they usually don't. My Dad still preaches to me, "Don't worry about savi
ng the airplane, save yourself". He still drills that in to me every time I
go flying and he is there. I think this Gentalmen who had the misfortune d
id what he had to do at the time. I am in NO WAYcriticising what he did. I
am simply talking about reviewing what happened, think about it and lets al
l learn from others misfortunes to try to prevent our own.
My thoughts and prayers to him and his family,
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| Subject: | In Orlando thru Friday Morning |
Would enjoy any Piet tours anyone local is willing to offer. 5124226371 or kevin.purtee@us.army.mil
Thanks!
do not archive
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In Plane |
Crash
The news channel link interviewed a friend/ wittness, and said the engine w
as clearly sputtering, and would not climb, partial power failure.- Those
pictures are quite sobering, everything from the rear seatback aft is deta
tched.- It said he was in stable condition, which is good news.- Anothe
r good reason to put shoulder harness in could very well save your life.
-
Shad
--- On Sun, 10/30/11, gliderx5@comcast.net <gliderx5@comcast.net> wrote:
From: gliderx5@comcast.net <gliderx5@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In Pl
ane Crash
#yiv1332716053 p {margin:0;}
I've been watching this thread for details of what happened.- Did I miss
them?- I'm wondering what DID happen, and what the pilot DID do.- No se
nse speculating on the cause or pilot reactions or trying to learn how we c
an prevent what happened until we actually know what happened.- Are those
details available yet?
Malcolm Morrison
From: "shad bell" <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 11:56:12 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In Pl
ane Crash
Our prayers are with him for a complete and speedy recovery.- This is a g
ood time to sit and think "what would I have done if that were me?"- Some
things are unavoidable and they happen, but most are due to our nature I b
elieve.- My thinking of ,it won't happen to me, changed the 1st time I wa
s faced with an emergency situation in the air.- It looks like all things
considdered this had a better outcome than it could have.- IFpossible ab
ort, abort abort, I have had that split second reaction of denial that the
engine was running rough, but never at that critical of a point low to the
ground, and over hostile terrain.-Never push into a bad situation expecti
ng it to get better they usually don't.- My Dad still preaches to me,-
"Don't worry about saving the airplane, save yourself".- He still drills
that in to me every time I go flying and he is there.- I think this Genta
lmen who had the misfortune did what he had to do at the time.- I am in N
O
WAYcriticising what he did.- I am simply talking about reviewing what ha
ppened, think about it and lets all learn from others misfortunes to try to
prevent our own.-
-
My thoughts and prayers to him and his family,
Shad
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In Plane |
Crash
>From the eye witness accounts and the location of the strip (at least
from Google Maps), it appears that he had just taken off, lost power, and
crashed just passed the runway into the woods. The creek he landed in is
just off the runway. From the article: =22He tried to gain speed and he
pitched it back up and the airplane just wouldn't climb. It seemed like he
was losing power,=22 Jardine said. Later on it the article stated:
=9CBoth men who rescued Catchpole say he'd been in the skies all
summer in the very plane that crashed. They believe something mechanically
went wrong.=9D
So, it appears to me that he had engine trouble and maybe even stalled as
he attempted to clear the trees. From the google maps view, depending on
when the engine trouble happened, he might have had few options other than
crash into the woods.
Just my two cents based on the article as posted. I=99m sure more
details will surface and I pray the pilot recovers.
Jason Holmes
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server=40matronics.com
=5Bmailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server=40matronics.com=5D On Behalf Of
gliderx5=40comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In
Plane Crash
I've been watching this thread for details of what happened. Did I miss
them? I'm wondering what DID happen, and what the pilot DID do. No sense
speculating on the cause or pilot reactions or trying to learn how we can
prevent what happened until we actually know what happened. Are those
details available yet?
Malcolm Morrison
_____
From: =22shad bell=22 <aviatorbell=40yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 11:56:12 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In
Plane Crash
Our prayers are with him for a complete and speedy recovery. This is a
good time to sit and think =22what would I have done if that were me?=22
Some things are unavoidable and they happen, but most are due to our
nature I believe. My thinking of ,it won't happen to me, changed the 1st
time I was faced with an emergency situation in the air. It looks like
all things considdered this had a better outcome than it could have.
IFpossible abort, abort abort, I have had that split second reaction of
denial that the engine was running rough, but never at that critical of a
point low to the ground, and over hostile terrain. Never push into a bad
situation expecting it to get better they usually don't. My Dad still
preaches to me, =22Don't worry about saving the airplane, save
yourself=22. He still drills that in to me every time I go flying and he
is there. I think this Gentalmen who had the misfortune did what he had
to do at the time. I am in NO WAYcriticising what he did. I am simply
talking about reviewing what happened, think about it and lets all learn
from others misfortunes to try to prevent our own.
My thoughts and prayers to him and his family,
Shad
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tp://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Nashville Pietenpol'ers |
Anyone in the Nashville area building or flying a Piet, I will be in town t
he week of Nov 7-11.- I would love to stop by and see some Piets in progr
ess, or flying.- Hell I would even settle for going out for a beer and B.
S'ing bout Piets.- If you have a nice shop and tools plese invite me, I w
ould be glad to "Markle" some things back to Ohio.....Just kidding ya Jim.
Let me Know,
-
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: Nashville Pietenpol'ers |
Well, I'm flying one about 2 1/2hrs south near Chatt TN. Got a shop, tools and
beer. If you can get that far away, give me a shout, should be around during
that time.
Tools, aka Mike Danford, 423 580 1383
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| Subject: | Re: Nashville Pietenpol'ers |
Mike, I will be taking a 4 day I.A. class at Baker School of Aeronautics, I
f I can spare the time I might take you up on that.- I will have to see h
ow the studies are going, if I have the time I will head for the Chattanoog
a Piet Train.
-
Shad
--- On Sun, 10/30/11, tools <n0kkj@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: tools <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nashville Pietenpol'ers
Well, I'm flying one about 2 1/2hrs south near Chatt TN.- Got a shop, too
ls and beer.- If you can get that far away, give me a shout, should be ar
ound during that time.
Tools, aka Mike Danford, 423 580 1383
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