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1. 05:37 AM - Re: thermalling in a Piet (Jim Ash)
2. 06:27 AM - Polyfiber - bias cut finish tape (Greg Bacon)
3. 06:45 AM - A65 For Sale (not mine) $4500 (Wayne Bressler)
4. 08:43 AM - Re: Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In Plane Crash (Dan Yocum)
5. 08:53 AM - Re: Polyfiber - bias cut finish tape (norm)
6. 09:25 AM - Re: Polyfiber - bias cut finish tape (Greg Bacon)
7. 09:32 AM - Re: thermalling in a Piet (airlion)
8. 11:21 AM - Re: Km Heide and Seek (Ryan Mueller)
9. 12:04 PM - muffler packing (Douwe Blumberg)
10. 01:17 PM - Re: muffler packing (Hans Van Der Voort)
11. 01:20 PM - Re: Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In Plane Crash (Jim Ash)
12. 01:32 PM - Re: Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In Plane Crash (Robert Gow)
13. 02:46 PM - Re: Re: Km Heide and Seek (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
14. 02:46 PM - Re: muffler packing (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
15. 05:35 PM - Re: Re: Km Heide and Seek (Jim Markle)
16. 08:21 PM - Re: Re: Km Heide and Seek (Ryan Mueller)
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| Subject: | Re: thermalling in a Piet |
I used to fly gliders out of Hinckley when I lived in the area (also looked at
LL53 to hangar the Cub, but it didn't come to pass). There were a couple times
I had to force the plane out of the sky to take a leak. Nobody ever mentioned
corn husks as a thermal indicator in any of my training. I wonder how the husks
initially got off the ground.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com>
>Sent: Oct 30, 2011 11:54 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: thermalling in a Piet
>
>
>I graphed out the altitude as a function of time and the first time I
>was in the thermal I was climbing at 750fpm. The second time I missed
>the core of the thermal and only skirted the outside and climbed at
>380fpm.
>
>All this at 1400RPM - definitely not a climb setting!
>
>Dan
>
>
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| Subject: | Polyfiber - bias cut finish tape |
Does anyone have a few yards of bias cut finish tape they don't need,
preferably 3 or 4 inch?
Thanks!
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Greg Bacon
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| Subject: | A65 For Sale (not mine) $4500 |
Hey gang,
Just saw this on the Taylocraft forum (its not mine). Might be a good deal f
or somebody.
http://vb.taylorcraft.org/showthread.php?8795-For-Sale-A65-8-Continental
Text:
Continental A65-8 tapered shaft s/n 3294568 COMPLETE
just removed from my BC-12D. Ready to install and fly...289.5 hrs
since major overhaul. Last hrs flown indicate oil consumption to be
1qt/8hrs. Everything is there, slick mags and harness (both impulse)
new @ 275hrs. Carb.included. THE ASKING PRICE IS $4500.00 FOB
Contact:Richard Young
419-594-3553 cell 419-969-9262 in Northwestern Ohio
Wayne Bressler
Taildraggers, Inc.
www.taildraggersinc.com
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In Plane |
Crash
First off, my thoughts are with the pilot - I hope he gets well soon and
that this doesn't scare him away from flying.
Secondly, this summer I had the "opportunity" to abort a take off. It
was a sobering experience. The grass hadn't been mowed in a couple of
weeks and I had a passenger. I got to the point on the runway where I
usually have enough speed to get some light under the wheels, but I
wasn't even close this time. I yanked the throttle back and then
immediately took my feet off the pedals. Yes, you read that right.
Stupid move on my part. I swerved right, realized my mistake, stabbed
the left pedal, swerved to the left and got everything back under
control. I calmly turned the plane around and headed back to the end of
the runway to take off from the pavement. Everything went as planned,
this time.
I still don't know what I was thinking (or not thinking!) when I took my
feet off the pedals. I got lucky, and you bet I'll never make *that*
mistake, again.
My point is this - practice aborted take-offs once in a while. Power up
normally and at a point down the field where you feel comfortable, yank
the power back and bring the plane to a safe halt. Make sure you know
where your go/no-go point is. Is it the culvert? The second hangar on
the left? The tie-down area? The fence post? A-beam the FBO?
That is my word to the wise, today.
Dan
On 10/30/2011 10:56 AM, shad bell wrote:
>
> Our prayers are with him for a complete and speedy recovery. This is a
> good time to sit and think "what would I have done if that were me?"
> Some things are unavoidable and they happen, but most are due to our
> nature I believe. My thinking of ,it won't happen to me, changed the 1st
> time I was faced with an emergency situation in the air. It looks like
> all things considdered this had a better outcome than it could have.
> IFpossible abort, abort abort, I have had that split second reaction of
> denial that the engine was running rough, but never at that critical of
> a point low to the ground, and over hostile terrain. Never push into a
> bad situation expecting it to get better they usually don't. My Dad
> still preaches to me, "Don't worry about saving the airplane, save
> yourself". He still drills that in to me every time I go flying and he
> is there. I think this Gentalmen who had the misfortune did what he had
> to do at the time. I am in NO WAYcriticising what he did. I am simply
> talking about reviewing what happened, think about it and lets all learn
> from others misfortunes to try to prevent our own.
> My thoughts and prayers to him and his family,
> Shad
>
> *
>
>
> *
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Polyfiber - bias cut finish tape |
Why not make your own out of left over fabric-? works for me.. norm
--- On Mon, 10/31/11, Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Polyfiber - bias cut finish tape
Does anyone have a few yards of bias cut finish tape they don't need, prefe
rably 3 or 4 inch?
Thanks!
--
Greg Bacon
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| Subject: | Re: Polyfiber - bias cut finish tape |
Thanks Norm. I don't believe I have enough fabric for that. For bias cut,
is the cloth cut 45 degrees with the weave?
Greg
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 10:49 AM, norm <coevst@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Why not make your own out of left over fabric ? works for me.. norm
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> --- On *Mon, 10/31/11, Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com>* wrote:
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> From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Polyfiber - bias cut finish tape
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Monday, October 31, 2011, 9:23 AM
>
> Does anyone have a few yards of bias cut finish tape they don't need,
> preferably 3 or 4 inch?
>
> Thanks!
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| Subject: | Re: thermalling in a Piet |
----- Original Message ----
From: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
Sent: Mon, October 31, 2011 8:34:56 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: thermalling in a Piet
I used to fly gliders out of Hinckley when I lived in the area (also looked at
LL53 to hangar the Cub, but it didn't come to pass). There were a couple times
I
had to force the plane out of the sky to take a leak. Nobody ever mentioned corn
husks as a thermal indicator in any of my training. I wonder how the husks
initially got off the ground.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com>
>Sent: Oct 30, 2011 11:54 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: thermalling in a Piet
>
>
>I graphed out the altitude as a function of time and the first time I
>was in the thermal I was climbing at 750fpm. The second time I missed
>the core of the thermal and only skirted the outside and climbed at
>380fpm.
>
>All this at 1400RPM - definitely not a climb setting!
>
>Dan
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Km Heide and Seek |
If you attempt to fly that, you are wrong. The Piet that was heaviest on
the tail of our sample group at Brodhead was a full 200lbs lighter on the
tail than yours. Either your math is wrong, or you need to throw something
overboard...
Ryan
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I'm building a small inline muffler in my exhaust system and wanted to hear
opinions as to the best packing material for longevity.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: muffler packing |
Douwe,
Check out burnsstainless.com lots of info on mufflers
http://www.burnsstainless.com/muffleraccessories.aspx
Plus everything you need to make one yourself.
Stainless steel "Scrubble" is best but not light.
Glass mat is much lighter but you might have to repack a muffler once in a
while.
My next project will have glass mat and I plan for a repack every annual, i
f needed.
My Pietenpol (Corvair) has no muffler, just 3-1 header pipe and 18" of exha
ust pipe out to the bottom of the cowling.
Exhaust noise is minimal for the pilot, prop and wind are worse.
Exhaust noise for the poor suckers on the ground is a pleasant purr of a sm
ooth 6.
Hans
NX15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 31, 2011 2:04 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: muffler packing
I=99m building a small inline muffler in my exhaust system and wanted
to hear opinions as to the best packing material for longevity.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In Plane |
Crash
I was 'fortunate' enough to have a few pretty brutal flight instructors; one with
a very pragmatic slant to him. The part I remember was a basic 'Save your a$$
first, then your airplane'. One of the translations was to conscienciously
choose to groundloop the plane instead of plowing head-on into the trees/fence/wall/whatever,
if your survival chances during that split-second decision appear
better.
I came very close to doing just that when landing a glider in a cow pasture once.
I mis-judged the slope of the field and landed upwind, but downhill in a rented
2-33A. Didn't have to groundloop, but it was down to the last few feet. Lotsa
pucker practice that day.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
>Sent: Oct 31, 2011 11:38 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In Plane
Crash
>
>
>First off, my thoughts are with the pilot - I hope he gets well soon and
>that this doesn't scare him away from flying.
>
>Secondly, this summer I had the "opportunity" to abort a take off. It
>was a sobering experience. The grass hadn't been mowed in a couple of
>weeks and I had a passenger. I got to the point on the runway where I
>usually have enough speed to get some light under the wheels, but I
>wasn't even close this time. I yanked the throttle back and then
>immediately took my feet off the pedals. Yes, you read that right.
>Stupid move on my part. I swerved right, realized my mistake, stabbed
>the left pedal, swerved to the left and got everything back under
>control. I calmly turned the plane around and headed back to the end of
>the runway to take off from the pavement. Everything went as planned,
>this time.
>
>I still don't know what I was thinking (or not thinking!) when I took my
>feet off the pedals. I got lucky, and you bet I'll never make *that*
>mistake, again.
>
>My point is this - practice aborted take-offs once in a while. Power up
>normally and at a point down the field where you feel comfortable, yank
>the power back and bring the plane to a safe halt. Make sure you know
>where your go/no-go point is. Is it the culvert? The second hangar on
>the left? The tie-down area? The fence post? A-beam the FBO?
>
>That is my word to the wise, today.
>Dan
>
>
>On 10/30/2011 10:56 AM, shad bell wrote:
>>
>> Our prayers are with him for a complete and speedy recovery. This is a
>> good time to sit and think "what would I have done if that were me?"
>> Some things are unavoidable and they happen, but most are due to our
>> nature I believe. My thinking of ,it won't happen to me, changed the 1st
>> time I was faced with an emergency situation in the air. It looks like
>> all things considdered this had a better outcome than it could have.
>> IFpossible abort, abort abort, I have had that split second reaction of
>> denial that the engine was running rough, but never at that critical of
>> a point low to the ground, and over hostile terrain. Never push into a
>> bad situation expecting it to get better they usually don't. My Dad
>> still preaches to me, "Don't worry about saving the airplane, save
>> yourself". He still drills that in to me every time I go flying and he
>> is there. I think this Gentalmen who had the misfortune did what he had
>> to do at the time. I am in NO WAYcriticising what he did. I am simply
>> talking about reviewing what happened, think about it and lets all learn
>> from others misfortunes to try to prevent our own.
>> My thoughts and prayers to him and his family,
>> Shad
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>--
>Dan Yocum
>Fermilab 630.840.6509
>yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
>
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In Plane |
Crash
Back in the day I used to do practice engine out (prop stopped) glides to
the runway at our abandoned airport come gravel pit in my Tcraft. Since the
brakes had been removed for sport I sometimes had to ground loop the
aircraft on purpose to avoid falling into the gravel pit which had eaten up
half the runway.
I practice ground loops first, each one faster than the other, until I
learned the "maximum safe ground loop speed", that is one where it just got
light enough to pick a wheel up but not go over.
Thinking back it may have been foolish, but I knew the airplane pretty well
and was not afraid to use unusual techniques to save the day if I had to.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash
Sent: October 31, 2011 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In
Plane Crash
I was 'fortunate' enough to have a few pretty brutal flight instructors; one
with a very pragmatic slant to him. The part I remember was a basic 'Save
your a$$ first, then your airplane'. One of the translations was to
conscienciously choose to groundloop the plane instead of plowing head-on
into the trees/fence/wall/whatever, if your survival chances during that
split-second decision appear better.
I came very close to doing just that when landing a glider in a cow pasture
once. I mis-judged the slope of the field and landed upwind, but downhill in
a rented 2-33A. Didn't have to groundloop, but it was down to the last few
feet. Lotsa pucker practice that day.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
>Sent: Oct 31, 2011 11:38 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In
>Plane Crash
>
>
>First off, my thoughts are with the pilot - I hope he gets well soon and
>that this doesn't scare him away from flying.
>
>Secondly, this summer I had the "opportunity" to abort a take off. It
>was a sobering experience. The grass hadn't been mowed in a couple of
>weeks and I had a passenger. I got to the point on the runway where I
>usually have enough speed to get some light under the wheels, but I
>wasn't even close this time. I yanked the throttle back and then
>immediately took my feet off the pedals. Yes, you read that right.
>Stupid move on my part. I swerved right, realized my mistake, stabbed
>the left pedal, swerved to the left and got everything back under
>control. I calmly turned the plane around and headed back to the end of
>the runway to take off from the pavement. Everything went as planned,
>this time.
>
>I still don't know what I was thinking (or not thinking!) when I took my
>feet off the pedals. I got lucky, and you bet I'll never make *that*
>mistake, again.
>
>My point is this - practice aborted take-offs once in a while. Power up
>normally and at a point down the field where you feel comfortable, yank
>the power back and bring the plane to a safe halt. Make sure you know
>where your go/no-go point is. Is it the culvert? The second hangar on
>the left? The tie-down area? The fence post? A-beam the FBO?
>
>That is my word to the wise, today.
>Dan
>
>
>On 10/30/2011 10:56 AM, shad bell wrote:
>>
>> Our prayers are with him for a complete and speedy recovery. This is a
>> good time to sit and think "what would I have done if that were me?"
>> Some things are unavoidable and they happen, but most are due to our
>> nature I believe. My thinking of ,it won't happen to me, changed the 1st
>> time I was faced with an emergency situation in the air. It looks like
>> all things considdered this had a better outcome than it could have.
>> IFpossible abort, abort abort, I have had that split second reaction of
>> denial that the engine was running rough, but never at that critical of
>> a point low to the ground, and over hostile terrain. Never push into a
>> bad situation expecting it to get better they usually don't. My Dad
>> still preaches to me, "Don't worry about saving the airplane, save
>> yourself". He still drills that in to me every time I go flying and he
>> is there. I think this Gentalmen who had the misfortune did what he had
>> to do at the time. I am in NO WAYcriticising what he did. I am simply
>> talking about reviewing what happened, think about it and lets all learn
>> from others misfortunes to try to prevent our own.
>> My thoughts and prayers to him and his family,
>> Shad
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>--
>Dan Yocum
>Fermilab 630.840.6509
>yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Km Heide and Seek |
Only a Joke.....
KMHeide
--- On Mon, 10/31/11, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Km Heide and Seek
> To: "Pietenpol List" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Monday, October 31, 2011, 1:17 PM
> If you attempt to fly
> that, you are wrong. The Piet that was heaviest on the tail
> of our sample group at Brodhead was a full 200lbs lighter on
> the tail than yours. Either your math is wrong, or you need
> to throw something overboard...
>
> Ryan
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: muffler packing |
My exwife!
KMHeide
--- On Mon, 10/31/11, Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:
> From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: muffler packing
> To: "pietenpolgroup" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Monday, October 31, 2011, 2:11 PM
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> building a small inline muffler in my exhaust
> system and wanted to hear opinions as to the best packing
> material for longevity.
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| Subject: | Re: Km Heide and Seek |
I think someone's yankin' your lariat!
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Mueller
Sent: Oct 31, 2011 1:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Km Heide and Seek
If you attempt to fly that, you are wrong. The Piet that was heaviest on the tail
of our sample group at Brodhead was a full 200lbs lighter on the tail than
yours. Either your math is wrong, or you need to throw something overboard...
Ryan
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Km Heide and Seek |
I think someone's a f*cktard (woops, did I say that out loud)
Ryan
do not archive (yes, this tag is your friend, guaranteed)
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 7:33 PM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>wrote:
> jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
> I think someone's yankin' your lariat!
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Ryan Mueller
>
> Sent: Oct 31, 2011 1:17 PM
>
> To: Pietenpol List
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Km Heide and Seek
>
>
> If you attempt to fly that, you are wrong. The Piet that was heaviest on
> the tail of our sample group at Brodhead was a full 200lbs lighter on the
> tail than yours. Either your math is wrong, or you need to throw something
> overboard...
>
> Ryan
> do not archive
>
>
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