---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/10/11: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:25 AM - off topic but true (carson) 2. 04:56 AM - Re: off topic but true (Gene Rambo) 3. 05:07 AM - Re: off topic but true (Kip and Beth Gardner) 4. 06:45 AM - Happy Birthday (jarheadpilot82) 5. 07:33 AM - Re: Happy Birthday (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 6. 07:57 AM - Re: Happy Birthday (Matthew) 7. 09:01 AM - FW: Coming to Sacramento.... (Gary Boothe) 8. 10:10 AM - Re: off topic but true (John Kuhfahl) 9. 12:19 PM - Power Coating (was Center Section progress) (Sanders, Andrew P) 10. 02:02 PM - (gus notti) 11. 03:33 PM - Re: Power Coating (was Center Section progress) (Bill Church) 12. 03:37 PM - Re: off topic but true (Bill Church) 13. 05:12 PM - Re: Happy Birthday (Michael Conkling) 14. 05:32 PM - Re: Happy Birthday (jarheadpilot82) 15. 09:02 PM - Re: Power Coating (was Center Section progress) (K5YAC) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:25:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: off topic but true From: "carson" Had this email sent to me today and thought I would share it You're a 19 year old kid. You're critically wounded and dying in the jungle somewhere in the Central Highlands of Viet Nam .. It's November 11, 1967. LZ (landing zone) X-ray. Your unit is outnumbered 8-1 and the enemy fire is so intense from 100 yards away, that your Commanding Officer) has ordered the MedEvac helicopters to stop coming in. You're lying there, listening to the enemy machine guns and you know you're not getting out. Your family is half way around the world, 12,000 miles away, and you'll never see them again. As the world starts to fade in and out, you know this is the day. Then - over the machine gun noise - you faintly hear that sound of a helicopter. You look up to see a Huey coming in. But.. It doesn't seem real because no MedEvac markings are on it. Captain Ed Freeman is coming in for you. He's not MedEvac so it's not his job, but he heard the radio call and decided he's flying his Huey down into the machine gun fire anyway. Even after the MedEvacs were ordered not to come.He's coming anyway. And he drops it in and sits there in the machine gun fire, as they load 3 of you at a time on board. Then he flies you up and out through the gunfire to the doctors and nurses and safety. And, he kept coming back!! 13 more times!! Until all the wounded were out. No one knew until the mission was over that the Captain had been hit 4 times in the legs and left arm. He took 29 of you and your buddies out that day. Some would not have made it without the Captain and his Huey. Medal of Honor Recipient, Captain Ed Freeman, United States Air Force, died last Wednesday at the age of 70, in Boise, Idaho May God Bless and Rest His Soul. I bet you didn't hear about this hero's passing, but we've sure seen a whole bunch about Lindsay Lohan, Tiger Woods and the bickering of congress over Health Reform. Medal of Honor Winner Captain Ed Freeman Shame on the media !!! Now... YOU pass this along. Honor this real hero. Please. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=357376#357376 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:34 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: off topic but true Guys: As with most things posted for political reasons=2C this simply isn't true. The facts of what he did are true=2C and impressive=2C but the rest of the post is not. The text below is from the urban legands website. Pl ease refrain from posting political-tainted stuff without at least checking it out yourself first. Gene Rambodo not archive Analysis: From the closi ng sentences above=2C one could come away with the impression that the cour ageous life and quiet death of retired Army Captain and Medal of Honor reci pient Ed W. Freeman had been completely ignored by the media. Not so=2C as the partial list of news sources further down this page shows. It may not h ave made front-page news=2C but Freeman's passing on August 20=2C 2008 was commemorated in a special segment on the NBC Nightly News=2C an AP national wire story=2C and obituaries published in newspapers across the country. As stated in the email=2C in 2001 Freeman was awarded the nation's highest military honor some 36 years after the fact for his heroic actions as a Vie tnam War helicopter pilot on November 14=2C 1965. He was presented with a c itation by President George W. Bush which read as follows: Captain Ed W. Fr eeman=2C United States Army=2C distinguished himself by numerous acts of co nspicuous gallantry and extraordinary intrepidity on 14 November=2C 1965=2C while serving with Company A=2C 229th=2C Assault Helicopter Battalion=2C F irst Cavalry Division Air Mobil (ph). As a flight leader and second in command of a 16-helicopter lift unit=2C he supported a heavily engaged American infantry battalion at landing zone X- ray in the Idrang Valley=2C Republic of Vietnam. The infantry unit was almo st out of ammunition=2C after taking some of the heaviest casualties of the war=2C fighting off a relentless attack from a highly motivated=2C heavily armed enemy force. When the infantry commander closed the helicopter landing zone=2C due to in tense direct enemy fire=2C Captain Freeman risked his own life by flying hi s unarmed helicopter through a gauntlet of enemy fire=2C time after time=2C delivering critically needed ammunition=2C water and medical supplies to t he Paceeds (ph) battalion. His flights had a direct impact on the battle's outcome by providing the en gaged units with timely supplies of ammunition critical to their survival w ithout which they would almost surely have experienced a much greater loss of life. After medical evacuation helicopters refused to fly into the area =2C due to intense enemy fire=2C Captain Freeman flew 14 separate rescue mi ssions=2C providing life- saving evacuation of an estimates 30 seriously wo unded soldiers=2C some of whom would not have survived=2C had he not acted. All flights were made into a small emergency landing zone within 100 to 200 meters of the defensive perimeter where heavily committed units were peril ously holding off the attacking elements. Captain Freeman's selfless acts o f great valor=2C extraordinary perseverance and intrepidity were far above and beyond the call of duty or mission and set a superb example of leadersh ip and courage for all of his peers. Captain Freeman's extraordinary heroism and devotion to duty are in keeping with the highest traditions of military service and reflect great credit u pon himself=2C his unit and the United States Army. > Subject: Pietenpol-List: off topic but true > From: carsonvella@yahoo.com.au > Date: Thu=2C 10 Nov 2011 02:23:03 -0800 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Had this email sent to me today and thought I would share it > > > > > > You're a 19 year old kid. > > You're critically wounded and dying in > the jungle somewhere in the Central Highlands of Viet Nam .. > > It's November 11=2C 1967. > LZ (landing zone) X-ray. > > Your unit is outnumbered 8-1 and the enemy fire is so intense > from 100 yards away=2C that your Commanding Officer) has ordered the Med Evac > helicopters to stop coming in. > > You're lying there=2C listening to the enemy machine guns and you > know you're not getting out. > > Your family is half way around the world=2C 12=2C000 miles away=2C > and > you'll never see them again. > As the world starts to fade in and out=2C you know this is the > day. > Then - over the machine gun noise - you faintly hear that sound > of a helicopter. > You look up to see a Huey coming in. But.. It doesn't seem real > because no MedEvac markings are on it. > > Captain Ed Freeman is coming in for you. > > He's not MedEvac so it's not his job=2C but he heard the radio > call and decided he's flying his Huey down into the machine gun fire > anyway. > > Even after the MedEvacs were ordered not to come.He's coming > anyway. > > And he drops it in and sits there in the machine gun fire=2C as > they load 3 of you at a time on board. > > Then he flies you up and out through the gunfire to the doctors > and nurses and safety. > > And=2C he kept coming back!! 13 more times!! > Until all the wounded were out. No one knew until the mission > was over that the Captain had been hit 4 times in the legs and left arm. > He took 29 of you and your buddies out that day. Some would not > have made it without the Captain and his Huey. > > Medal of Honor Recipient=2C Captain Ed Freeman=2C United States Air > Force=2C died last Wednesday at the age of 70=2C in Boise=2C Idaho > > May God Bless and Rest His Soul. > > I bet you didn't hear about this hero's passing=2C but we've sure > seen a whole bunch about Lindsay Lohan=2C Tiger Woods and the bickering of > congress over Health Reform. > > > Medal of Honor Winner Captain Ed Freeman > Shame on the media !!! > > Now... YOU pass this along. > Honor this real hero. > > Please. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=357376#357376 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:32 AM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: off topic but true Thanks Gene. It's so easy today to check on the accuracy of a story like this, unless of course, you refuse to believe the fact checkers. Cuts both ways on the political spectrum, BTW; as far as I'm concerned, facts are apolitical. Also, do not archive Kip Gardner On Nov 10, 2011, at 7:54 AM, Gene Rambo wrote: > Guys: > > As with most things posted for political reasons, this simply isn't > true. The facts of what he did are true, and impressive, but the > rest of the post is not. The text below is from the urban legands > website. Please refrain from posting political-tainted stuff > without at least checking it out yourself first. > > Gene Rambo > do not archive > > > Analysis: From the closing sentences above, one could come away with > the impression that the courageous life and quiet death of retired > Army Captain and Medal of Honor recipient Ed W. Freeman had been > completely ignored by the media. Not so, as the partial list of news > sources further down this page shows. It may not have made front- > page news, but Freeman's passing on August 20, 2008 was commemorated > in a special segment on the NBC Nightly News, an AP national wire > story, and obituaries published in newspapers across the country. > > As stated in the email, in 2001 Freeman was awarded the nation's > highest military honor some 36 years after the fact for his heroic > actions as a Vietnam War helicopter pilot on November 14, 1965. He > was presented with a citation by President George W. Bush which read > as follows: > Captain Ed W. Freeman, United States Army, distinguished himself by > numerous acts of conspicuous gallantry and extraordinary intrepidity > on 14 November, 1965, while serving with Company A, 229th, Assault > Helicopter Battalion, First Cavalry Division Air Mobil (ph). > > As a flight leader and second in command of a 16-helicopter lift > unit, he supported a heavily engaged American infantry battalion at > landing zone X-ray in the Idrang Valley, Republic of Vietnam. The > infantry unit was almost out of ammunition, after taking some of the > heaviest casualties of the war, fighting off a relentless attack > from a highly motivated, heavily armed enemy force. > > When the infantry commander closed the helicopter landing zone, due > to intense direct enemy fire, Captain Freeman risked his own life by > flying his unarmed helicopter through a gauntlet of enemy fire, time > after time, delivering critically needed ammunition, water and > medical supplies to the Paceeds (ph) battalion. > > His flights had a direct impact on the battle's outcome by providing > the engaged units with timely supplies of ammunition critical to > their survival without which they would almost surely have > experienced a much greater loss of life. After medical evacuation > helicopters refused to fly into the area, due to intense enemy fire, > Captain Freeman flew 14 separate rescue missions, providing life- > saving evacuation of an estimates 30 seriously wounded soldiers, > some of whom would not have survived, had he not acted. > > All flights were made into a small emergency landing zone within 100 > to 200 meters of the defensive perimeter where heavily committed > units were perilously holding off the attacking elements. Captain > Freeman's selfless acts of great valor, extraordinary perseverance > and intrepidity were far above and beyond the call of duty or > mission and set a superb example of leadership and courage for all > of his peers. > > Captain Freeman's extraordinary heroism and devotion to duty are in > keeping with the highest traditions of military service and reflect > great credit upon himself, his unit and the United States Army. > > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: off topic but true > > From: carsonvella@yahoo.com.au > > Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 02:23:03 -0800 > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > > > > > > Had this email sent to me today and thought I would share it > > > > > > > > > > > > You're a 19 year old kid. > > > > You're critically wounded and dying in > > the jungle somewhere in the Central Highlands of Viet Nam .. > > > > It's November 11, 1967. > > LZ (landing zone) X-ray. > > > > Your unit is outnumbered 8-1 and the enemy fire is so intense > > from 100 yards away, that your Commanding Officer) has ordered the > MedEvac > > helicopters to stop coming in. > > > > You're lying there, listening to the enemy machine guns and you > > know you're not getting out. > > > > Your family is half way around the world, 12,000 miles away, > > and > > you'll never see them again. > > As the world starts to fade in and out, you know this is the > > day. > > Then - over the machine gun noise - you faintly hear that sound > > of a helicopter. > > You look up to see a Huey coming in. But.. It doesn't seem real > > because no MedEvac markings are on it. > > > > Captain Ed Freeman is coming in for you. > > > > He's not MedEvac so it's not his job, but he heard the radio > > call and decided he's flying his Huey down into the machine gun fire > > anyway. > > > > Even after the MedEvacs were ordered not to come.He's coming > > anyway. > > > > And he drops it in and sits there in the machine gun fire, as > > they load 3 of you at a time on board. > > > > Then he flies you up and out through the gunfire to the doctors > > and nurses and safety. > > > > And, he kept coming back!! 13 more times!! > > Until all the wounded were out. No one knew until the mission > > was over that the Captain had been hit 4 times in the legs and > left arm. > > He took 29 of you and your buddies out that day. Some would not > > have made it without the Captain and his Huey. > > > > Medal of Honor Recipient, Captain Ed Freeman, United States Air > > Force, died last Wednesday at the age of 70, in Boise, Idaho > > > > May God Bless and Rest His Soul. > > > > I bet you didn't hear about this hero's passing, but we've sure > > seen a whole bunch about Lindsay Lohan, Tiger Woods and the > bickering of > > congress over Health Reform. > > > > > > Medal of Honor Winner Captain Ed Freeman > > Shame on the media !!! > > > > Now... YOU pass this along. > > Honor this real hero. > > > > Please. > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=357376#357376 > > > > > > _================== > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Happy Birthday From: "jarheadpilot82" To all the Marines on the Forum (and around the World)- Happy Birthday!! Do not archive -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=357383#357383 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:05 AM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Happy Birthday Semper Fi - Terry KMHeide --- On Thu, 11/10/11, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > From: jarheadpilot82 > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Happy Birthday > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, November 10, 2011, 8:42 AM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: "jarheadpilot82" > > To all the Marines on the Forum (and around the World)- > > Happy Birthday!! > > Do not archive > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=357383#357383 > > > > > > > > Lists This Month -- > Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) > Raiser. Click on > out more about > Gifts provided > www.aeroelectric.com > www.buildersbooks.com > www.homebuilthelp.com > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:45 AM PST US From: Matthew Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Happy Birthday Semper fi! 236 years Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2011, at 10:30 AM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wrote: > > Semper Fi - Terry > KMHeide > > > --- On Thu, 11/10/11, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > >> From: jarheadpilot82 >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Happy Birthday >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Date: Thursday, November 10, 2011, 8:42 AM >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted >> by: "jarheadpilot82" >> >> To all the Marines on the Forum (and around the World)- >> >> Happy Birthday!! >> >> Do not archive >> >> -------- >> Semper Fi, >> >> Terry Hand >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=357383#357383 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Lists This Month -- >> Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) >> Raiser. Click on >> out more about >> Gifts provided >> www.aeroelectric.com >> www.buildersbooks.com >> www.homebuilthelp.com >> -Matt >> Dralle, List Admin. >> Email Forum - >> FAQ, >> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> List Contribution Web Site - >> -Matt >> Dralle, List Admin. >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:01:45 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: Coming to Sacramento.... I can=99t believe my incredible good fortune!! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: Tracy, Chris [mailto:ctracy@water.ca.gov] Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:30 AM Subject: RE: Coming to Sacramento.... Please join us for an opportunity to meet and dine with the esteemed Pietenpol Ambassador. This is an exclusive invitational only even where you will dine in a quaint intimate setting with the Ambassador allowing you to get acquainted with the Ambassador on a personal level. As an honored guest you will be seated at the Ambassadors table, on either his right or the left, where you will be treated to the Ambassador=99s chicken stories, unfettered conversation and personal one-on-one time. Seating is limited to the first 3 people. $5,000 a seat donation. Chris Tracy, P.G., C.E.G. Geology Branch Division of Safety of Dams California Department of Water Resources Phone: (916) 227-5634 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: off topic but true From: John Kuhfahl Good one--thanks--off topic but I was there--what a hero! John On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:23 AM, carson wrote: > > Had this email sent to me today and thought I would share it > > > You're a 19 year old kid. > > You're critically wounded and dying in > the jungle somewhere in the Central Highlands of Viet Nam .. > > It's November 11, 1967. > LZ (landing zone) X-ray. > > Your unit is outnumbered 8-1 and the enemy fire is so intense > from 100 yards away, that your Commanding Officer) has ordered the MedEvac > helicopters to stop coming in. > > You're lying there, listening to the enemy machine guns and you > know you're not getting out. > > Your family is half way around the world, 12,000 miles away, > and > you'll never see them again. > As the world starts to fade in and out, you know this is the > day. > Then - over the machine gun noise - you faintly hear that sound > of a helicopter. > You look up to see a Huey coming in. But.. It doesn't seem real > because no MedEvac markings are on it. > > Captain Ed Freeman is coming in for you. > > He's not MedEvac so it's not his job, but he heard the radio > call and decided he's flying his Huey down into the machine gun fire > anyway. > > Even after the MedEvacs were ordered not to come.He's coming > anyway. > > And he drops it in and sits there in the machine gun fire, as > they load 3 of you at a time on board. > > Then he flies you up and out through the gunfire to the doctors > and nurses and safety. > > And, he kept coming back!! 13 more times!! > Until all the wounded were out. No one knew until the mission > was over that the Captain had been hit 4 times in the legs and left arm. > He took 29 of you and your buddies out that day. Some would not > have made it without the Captain and his Huey. > > Medal of Honor Recipient, Captain Ed Freeman, United States Air > Force, died last Wednesday at the age of 70, in Boise, Idaho > > May God Bless and Rest His Soul. > > I bet you didn't hear about this hero's passing, but we've sure > seen a whole bunch about Lindsay Lohan, Tiger Woods and the bickering of > congress over Health Reform. > > > Medal of Honor Winner Captain Ed Freeman > Shame on the media !!! > > Now... YOU pass this along. > Honor this real hero. > > Please. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=357376#357376 > > -- John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), President, KUHLCOUPER LLC ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:47 PM PST US From: "Sanders, Andrew P" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Power Coating (was Center Section progress) I'm usually a lurker but wanted to come out on this one. The statement about powder coating hiding cracks is a myth that has been floating around for years. I've lots of powder coated parts on many applications including modified motorcycles. I recently had a powder coated bracket re-welded that cracked under the powder coating. If anything the powder coating makes it EASIER to see the cracks. It is very unforgiving of relative motion of the part under it. It's soft enough that the edges of the powder coat quickly wear against each other and make the crack look BIGGER than on the actual part. If the powder coat is anything other than black, it gathers debris from the motion of the crack and show a dark line too. Andrew >One thing to keep in mind about powdercoating is that, while it is very >durable, it is also flexible, and can sometimes hide cracks in the metal >underneath the paint. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:12 PM PST US From: gus notti http://eschew.org/graphs/mem-prices/style-y.html ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:33:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Power Coating (was Center Section progress) From: "Bill Church" Hi Andrew, Lurk no more. You're out of the closet now. In response to your comments, I don't think that it is fair to simply say that "powder coating hiding cracks is a myth". It is very possible for powder coating (and some other finishes) to hide cracks in the underlying metal. There are many different types of powder coating (polyester, epoxy, hybrid, etc.), all with different characteristics, including flexibility. Some powder coatings may crack where others would not. In general, powder coating is applied in greater thicknesses than traditional paint finishes, and one of the selling features of powder coating is that it will hide many flaws. When the powder cures, it will flow, and has the ability to close small gaps. For example, it is possible to do a less than sufficient welding job on a motor mount, and then have the motor mount powder coated, and the substandard workmanship can be hidden by the powder coating. In general, powder coating is a fantastic product. In addition to being environmentally friendly, it also produces a finish that is almost "bulletproof", and it has the ability to make some objects look better than they actually are. I plan to use powder coating for some of the metal parts of my Pietenpol. But when it comes to a critical structural element like the motor mount for my homebuilt aircraft, I will choose to use a different coating system. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=357418#357418 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:37:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: off topic but true From: "Bill Church" Well, at least it was true that the post was off topic. BC do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=357419#357419 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:53 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Happy Birthday From: Michael Conkling Semper Fi, Terry! The last time I was with the Corp, it was only the 197th! ;-) a kinda "old school" jarhead! Mike C. Pretty Prairie, KS Do Not Archive On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:42 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> > > To all the Marines on the Forum (and around the World)- > > Happy Birthday!! > > Do not archive > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=357383#357383 > > WebRep Overall rating WebRep Overall rating ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Happy Birthday From: "jarheadpilot82" My first Marine Corps Birthday was the 203rd, so I am not too far behind you. Do not archive. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=357426#357426 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Power Coating (was Center Section progress) From: "K5YAC" Andrew, how could you know for certain that powder coating doesn't hide cracks? I mean, how far does a fracture need to propagate before evidence shows through any type of coating? I'm not saying that powder coating is good or bad one way or another, just wondering how anyone could be certain that your theory holds true in all cases. I mean, when you say it is a myth, you suggest that the idea is completely false. In other words, you are absolutely certain that fractures or cracks are readily evident through a powder coated finish... always? Hard to believe. Not trying to sound abrasive, just curious at how anyone can be certain about this one in all instances. Oh, it is definitely not a certainty that powder coating would absolutely hide an underlying flaw, but the fact that it is more able to do so than thinner, hardened acrylic urethane or enamel is likely true, which was Bill's suggestion. My guess is that this "myth" will continue to float around for a while longer. I can certainly see where a thicker, more durable and semi-flexible finish could hide underlying flaws or failures. Some comments from a company named E-Tech Powder Coating... Powder coatings are very flexible, and can flex with the metal as the spring, coils and recoils to its stationary position. Also epoxy, acrylic and hybrid powders provide excellent adhesion and hard-ness for improved resistance to chipping, abrasion, corrosion, and chemicals; and its flexible enough to be formable without cracking. Powder coating offers the consumer a superior finish while adding many performance properties such as excellent resistance to corrosion, chemicals, heat, impact, abrasion, UV rays and extreme weather conditions. Not only is powder coating exceptionally tough and impact resistant it can easily withstand flexing action. There are several more comments about durability and flexibility, and while this is much preferred in many finishes, I wonder if it might not hinder proper inspection or early detection of damage on the critical parts that Bill speaks of. Not an expert on the subject, just considering the possibility that it may not be a total myth. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=357431#357431 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.