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0. 12:19 AM - What's Your Contribution Used For? (Matt Dralle)
1. 04:11 AM - Corvair College $21 (Chuck Campbell)
2. 04:15 AM - Previous E-mail (Chuck Campbell)
3. 05:05 AM - (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 07:08 AM - Re: No Title (Don Emch)
5. 07:46 AM - Re: Corvair College $21 (K5YAC)
6. 08:03 AM - Re: Wing rib question (johnnysdrop)
7. 08:34 AM - Re: (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM)
8. 08:37 AM - Re: Re: Corvair College $21 (Chuck Campbell)
9. 08:48 AM - Re: Wing rib question (TOM STINEMETZE)
10. 09:21 AM - Re: Wing rib question (Chuck Campbell)
11. 10:10 AM - Re: Vet's day (Chuck Campbell)
12. 10:43 AM - Wing height above fuselage (j_dunavin)
13. 11:37 AM - Re: Wing height above fuselage (helspersew@aol.com)
14. 12:13 PM - Re: Wing height above fuselage (Jim Boyer)
15. 02:23 PM - Re: New to List (Bill Church)
16. 03:17 PM - Re: New to List (K5YAC)
17. 05:16 PM - Re: Vet's day (Jack)
18. 06:56 PM - Re: New to List (Bryan Reed)
19. 07:06 PM - Re: Wing height above fuselage (Steve Emo)
20. 09:17 PM - Re: Wing height above fuselage (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
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Subject: | Corvair College $21 |
Just got back Sunday night from one of the most enjoyable weekends I've
ever had (excluding those I have had with my friend, my wife.) I went
down with a short block (crankshaft and cam shaft installed between two
halves of the case.) Came home with the engine in the condition shown
in the attachment. I was hoping to run the engine for the first time,
but was delayed the first two days waiting for Dan Weseman to get around
to me to correctly install the 5th bearing. Got most of the work done
on Saturday night and Sunday morning with a lot of help from John
Franklin and his friend, Ken. Wish I could have run it, but that will
just have to wait until the fuselage is far enough along to hang the
engine on it. Chuck
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I hit the % sign instead of the # sign in "Corvair College $21). Got a
new keyboard and I'm not used to it yet. C
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Hey all!
I've been completely out of touch with everything for about three weeks as
I've been finishing the NYC monument and installing it. Just got back and
saw some nice comments on the forum and wanted to say thank you!, and
apologize for being tardy in responding. I just haven't been around my
computer.
It's been a wonderful opportunity and experience working with our Special
Operations community, very humbling when you begin to learn what they are
off doing for us while we are safely sleeping in our beds at night.
Main thing I'm looking forward to is getting back to the Piet!!
Thanks again!
Douwe
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Douwe ... The monument is amazing! Very impressive! Very nice to see a good guy
like you being involved in a project like that.
Now get crackin' on that Piet! Spring is just around the corner!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | Re: Corvair College $21 |
Can't see the photo?
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | Re: Wing rib question |
Thank you all for your replies and an interesting side topic!
I found that on my first rib the gusset didn't hold along the lower capstrip beneath
the nose block and there was spring in the capstrip.
I did sand the ply beforehand so hope that wasn't an issue, guess it was ok as
no other gusset didn't glue.
I just reglued that piece and stapled it rather than weighting down then applied
a slightly larger gusset to the reverse as I think the first was a little small
and stapled that, worked a treat then.
Also had someone with a lot of experience show me the glue process so guess that
wasn.t a problem either!
Only another 27 to make now!
John
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Subject: | Re: tenpol-List: |
Really neat statue. Great job Douwe!
My favorite photo of that campaign is a SF troop riding a mountain pony (or donkey
can't remember) and using a laptop as he rode.
Blue Skies
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List:
> Hey all!
>
>
>
> I've been completely out of touch with everything for about three
> weeks as
> I've been finishing the NYC monument and installing it. Just got
> back and
> saw some nice comments on the forum and wanted to say thank you!, and
> apologize for being tardy in responding. I just haven't been
> around my
> computer.
>
>
>
> It's been a wonderful opportunity and experience working with our
> SpecialOperations community, very humbling when you begin to learn
> what they are
> off doing for us while we are safely sleeping in our beds at night.
>
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> Main thing I'm looking forward to is getting back to the Piet!!
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>
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> Thanks again!
>
>
>
> Douwe
>
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Subject: | Re: Corvair College $21 |
Put it in the attachment collumn. Don't know how else to do it. C
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From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair College $21
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> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | Re: Wing rib question |
John:
I will assume (and I know the problems with that) that you are using T-88
for your glue. This is a very easy to use product but there is at least
one thing you need to be careful of - Stop glueing parts with the current
batch when you start to have the unused glue begin to stiffen up. The
glue has to penetrate the wood to a degree in order for the bond to be
strong. If the glue is already starting to set up it skins over and will
not penetrate. Thus your parts do not bond correctly.
If you are a cheapskate like me you tend to not want to waste any of that
precious glue so you keep using it past where it is wise to do so.
Just my $ 0.02.
Stinemetze
N328X
>>> "johnnysdrop" <johnnysdrop@googlemail.com> 11/15/2011 10:00 AM >>>
I found that on my first rib the gusset didn't hold along the lower
capstrip beneath the nose block and there was spring in the capstrip.
I did sand the ply beforehand so hope that wasn't an issue, guess it was
ok as no other gusset didn't glue.
I just reglued that piece and stapled it rather than weighting down then
applied a slightly larger gusset to the reverse as I think the first was a
little small and stapled that, worked a treat then.
Also had someone with a lot of experience show me the glue process so
guess that wasn.t a problem either!
Only another 27 to make now!
John
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Subject: | Re: Wing rib question |
I used the GN-1 airfoil because I had a drawing of it and started building
ribs before I got the Pietenpol plans. I can't see that much difference in
them. The Piet rib looks like it is a bit more "skinny" at the nose than
the GN-1 rib. Regardless, I am stuck with what I have because both wings
are finnished. I know the GN-1 flies because I've seen pictures of one in
the air. Incidentally, I did not have to pre-bend the lower capstrip. I
did on the first couple of ribs I did and then tried one in the jig dry and
un-pre-bent and it worked fine. C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum@fnal.gov>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing rib question
>
> Hi John,
>
> Good to hear from you - I hope you're doing well.
>
> I'm building a Piet with a GA30-612 airfoil to go along with N8031 and I
> found that I have to pre-bend the bottom capstrip to make it fit in the
> jig. Many have said this is not the case with the FC-10 airfoil.
>
> Depending on how many blocks you have (the more, the better), you may be
> able to stick it right into the jig like Greg did.
>
> Cheers!
> Dan
>
>
> On 11/13/2011 07:17 PM, John Theron wrote:
>> Has anyone had cause to pre bend the lower wing rib section forward of
>> the front spar or have pre bent it anyway?
>> John
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>> *
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>> *
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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US Navy, 1941-1945 ; 1951-1953; US Naval Reserve 1953-1968
White Hat, F6F Hellcat jock
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From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vet's day
To ALL you ass kick'n freedom love'n Veterans, THANK YOU FOR ALL
YOU HAVE DONE, AND SACCRIFICED. Happy Veterans Day! And may God bless
you all, and your families.
Shad
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Subject: | Wing height above fuselage |
I did a search, but was unable to find any information on wing height above the
fuselage, limitations. I was able to sit in Tim's aircraft and thought that his
2" more than was the plans specify was OK, but what if i wanted to add an inch
or two more than that? Has anyone raised the wing 4"? Are there any adverse
effects?
Thanks
Joe
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Subject: | Re: Wing height above fuselage |
Joe,
I'm not sure about there being any ill effects from raising it that much, b
ut in my humble opinion I think it would begin to look odd and somewhat un-
Pietenpolish.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: j_dunavin <j_dunavin@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 15, 2011 12:44 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing height above fuselage
I did a search, but was unable to find any information on wing height above
the
uselage, limitations. I was able to sit in Tim's aircraft and thought that
his
" more than was the plans specify was OK, but what if i wanted to add an in
ch
r two more than that? Has anyone raised the wing 4"? Are there any adverse
ffects?
hanks
oe
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Subject: | Re: Wing height above fuselage |
Hi Joe,
According to the notes from Bernard Pietenpol he raised the wing; i.e. lengthened
the cabane struts 4 inches on one of his last Corvair powered plances but thought
it looked a little too high but the airplane flew fine. Look in the supplemental
notes that come with the complete plan set from the Pietenpol family.
I raised mine three inches and it looks fine to me; but caveat is its not flying
yet.
Jim B.
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Looks like the new Pietenpol project has made it into the Barnstormers cartoon
already.
BC
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Here are a couple of others from weeks past... even mentions Bryan by name. Ha
ha!
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Mark Chouinard
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Chuck my dad served in the Navy also, he flew F4U-Corsairs, then P2V's in
the reserves. He is my hero and I hope he can some day fly the Piet with
me.
Jack
DSM
N1929T
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Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vet's day
US Navy, 1941-1945 ; 1951-1953; US Naval Reserve 1953-1968
White Hat, F6F Hellcat jock
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Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vet's day
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Yes, my good friend Dennis Mclain the Barntoon cartoonist is having a lot of fun
with my building a Piet. : ) As a matter of fact most of his cartoons are poking
fun of somebody in our little local group.
I do not yet have the fuselage going but facts won't slow Dennis down. : ) I
have the tail feathers mostly done and would have been into the fuselage but Dennis
Hall invited me to Tucson last Sunday. He graciously let me try his Piet
on for size as well as opening up all of the inspection ports for me to see and
photograph all the inner workings. A very classy thing for him to do but for
those that know him, already knew he was that kind of guy. The hands on with
a finished one has clarified a lot of little details. It also made for some very
cool pictures when I stuffed my Nikon inside and snapped away.
See ya,
Bryan
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Workin Piet 5289B
While I may not always be right, I apologize well.
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Subject: | Re: Wing height above fuselage |
2 cents -- Raising the wing farther above the thrust line should make it pitch
more with power changes. It would also act as if more dihedral was added.
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 15, 2011, at 1:41 PM, "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> I did a search, but was unable to find any information on wing height above the
fuselage, limitations. I was able to sit in Tim's aircraft and thought that
his 2" more than was the plans specify was OK, but what if i wanted to add an
inch or two more than that? Has anyone raised the wing 4"? Are there any adverse
effects?
> Thanks
> Joe
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Subject: | Re: Wing height above fuselage |
Piet N Polish and un Pietenpolish, Dan, a new term to coin perhaps? Can you
provide an official definition to put into our dictionary.
And taking its rightful place somewhere between Buildapalooza and
Markeling, we now have Pietenpolish and Unpietenpolish!
Thanks Dan
John
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