Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Thu 11/17/11


Total Messages Posted: 23



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     0. 12:37 AM - Please Support The Lists...  (Matt Dralle)
     1. 06:25 AM - 100th posting... (aerocarjake)
     2. 06:39 AM - Re: 100th posting... (Piet2112)
     3. 07:11 AM - Re: 100th posting... (K5YAC)
     4. 07:18 AM - Re: 100th posting... (Jerry Dotson)
     5. 07:23 AM - New home (Richard Schreiber)
     6. 07:32 AM - Re: Re: coining new words (James Haklin)
     7. 07:43 AM - Re: New home (Jack Phillips)
     8. 07:49 AM - Re: New home (Jim Markle)
     9. 08:09 AM - Re: coining new words (BYD)
    10. 08:11 AM - Re: New home (Ken Bickers)
    11. 09:01 AM - Re: New home (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
    12. 09:14 AM - Re: Re: coining new words (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
    13. 10:00 AM - Re: New home (Bill Church)
    14. 10:10 AM - Re: New home (aerocarjake)
    15. 11:48 AM - Re: Corvair College 21 (early builder)
    16. 01:28 PM - Re: Corvair College 21 (Bryan Reed)
    17. 01:41 PM - Re: Re: Corvair College 21 (Kip and Beth Gardner)
    18. 02:07 PM - Re: Re: coining new words (C N Campbell)
    19. 02:41 PM - Re: Corvair College 21 (Bill Church)
    20. 03:09 PM - Re: Re: Corvair College 21 (Greg Cardinal)
    21. 05:22 PM - Re: Re: Corvair College 21 (Gboothe5)
    22. 06:35 PM - Re: New home (Gboothe5)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:37:00 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Please Support The Lists...
    Dear Listers, Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. There are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well! Your Contributions alone keep these services up and running. Please make your Contribution today at: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator


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    Time: 06:25:36 AM PST US
    Subject: 100th posting...
    From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com>
    Hello good Pietenpeople, Well this is my 100th post and my 50th birthday....... Figure I'm about halfway through my life and halfway (three years so far) through my Pietenpol project. Thanks to all of you for contributing to the quality of life's adventure...........! Jake -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358253#358253


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    Time: 06:39:12 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: 100th posting...
    From: "Piet2112" <curtdm@gmail.com>
    Happy Birthday! Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358255#358255


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    Time: 07:11:46 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: 100th posting...
    From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
    Happy Birthday! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358257#358257


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    Time: 07:18:22 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: 100th posting...
    From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>
    50 you are just a pup. Happy Birthday! do not archive[/b] -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 now covering 21&quot; wheels Lycoming O-235 C 2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358259#358259


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    Time: 07:23:33 AM PST US
    From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge@earthlink.net>
    Subject: New home
    Well folks, yesterday was a milestone in my Pietenpol building saga. I finally have moved the plane from home out to a heated hanger at the airport. I have a cople of spots to finish varnishing on the fuselage then I will hang the engine and attach the wings. I have enclosed a couple of shots my Wife took of the moving process. We used a friends covered trailer for the move so it wound up being as easy process. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN


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    Time: 07:32:22 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: coining new words
    From: James Haklin <jhaklin@gmail.com>
    In the 2 years that I have been reading this site I have replied only once--Not much to say I guess... I couldn't pass this one--Pietenpile..... What you get when you fly your Piet for 4 hours non-stop and you forgot your soft cushion...:0) Still building but close, Pickle Jim On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:53 PM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > I think I have the best new word. How about a Pietenpile. Gardiner > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Bryan Reed <reed44@gmail.com> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wed, November 16, 2011 1:18:20 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: coining new words > > > I think beer is what started this venture of new words. It must be five > o'clock > somewhere. : ) > > > Try: Pieted, Similar to Tweeted but understood only by a select group with > somewhat questionable sanity. When Pieted topics are discussed in front of > other > nonbelievers it may cause them to appear distracted with glazed over eyes. > Most > notably, spouses but the same effect can be rendered upon even complete > strangers. > > Cheers, > > Bryan > > -------- > Working Piet N5289B > > While I may not always be right, I apologize well. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358116#358116 > >


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    Time: 07:43:02 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: New home
    Way to go, Rick! A major milestone indeed! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Schreiber Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:21 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: New home Well folks, yesterday was a milestone in my Pietenpol building saga. I finally have moved the plane from home out to a heated hanger at the airport. I have a cople of spots to finish varnishing on the fuselage then I will hang the engine and attach the wings. I have enclosed a couple of shots my Wife took of the moving process. We used a friends covered trailer for the move so it wound up being as easy process. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN


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    Time: 07:49:58 AM PST US
    From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: New home


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    Time: 08:09:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: coining new words
    From: "BYD" <billsayre@ymail.com>
    aircamperace(at)yahoo.com wrote: > So tell me then how may pietenpolocks does it take to screw in a landing light -- NONE - Real Pietenpols don't have landing lights! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358266#358266


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    Time: 08:11:01 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: New home
    From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
    Very cool. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> wrote: > >


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    Time: 09:01:48 AM PST US
    From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
    Subject: Re: New home
    Nice Rick, I wish I could come make a visit, however for the time being that option is gone. It does feel good to bring her to the man cave rather then to remain a cellar dweller or basement beauty all dressed up and no place to go! Keep up the good work and the pics coming John


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    Time: 09:14:18 AM PST US
    From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
    Subject: Re: coining new words
    Jim, Ya been holding on to that one for some time, good one! BTW is anyone collecting these for the book sale at Brodhead this year? It could be the first edition of the pietctionary, naturally it would have to include a section or series of chapters specifically dedicated to the combined works of the "solutions and answers of life's problems, issues, trial and tribulations as quoted from TGWP and applied by none other than JH. Great works and words of Pietliterary Pros should all be archived in Pietpetuity Do not archive as this does not qualify for such writings John safe in the morning & dangerous all the day long


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    Time: 10:00:20 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: New home
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    Cool! BC do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358282#358282


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    Time: 10:10:09 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: New home
    From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com>
    Looks like a fantastic way to spend a beautiful fall day.....! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358285#358285


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    Time: 11:48:30 AM PST US
    From: early builder <nx797rd@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Corvair College 21
    Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com wrote.. Has William improved his turn around time on the distributor overhaul? I've heard complaints about well over a year with little communication with his clients. Greg Bacon Greg, - This question is a load of crap to be honest.- It should not be posted on a public forum - kind of like a flame thrower or someone yellling fire in a theatre. I thought this was sent to me personally until i discovered it here and I m ust respond publicly. - Folks, - I would have to know what this "fellow" said exactly and who he was, what h e is building and if he has actually ever ordered a part from WW.- Does t his "fellow" have an axe to grind with WW becasue WW hurt his feelings on a n internet post or didn't call him or repsond to an email in 5 minutes? - I never got to a point where I was frustrated - not even close.-He is not Autozone.- He makes parts that don't exist-anywhere else. -The parts I have ordered from William include: - E/P Distributor.- Ordered long before I needed it.- Arrived long before I needed it.- Took about 60 days.- It sat unused for about 4 months in my office.- It came with a new cap and a new rotor.- BTW it does not g o on the engine until about 10 minutes before you start it for the first ti me becasue you have to prime the oil system-first. - Starter kt: The top cover, and brackets appeared in a few days after orderi ng.- The-ring gear-and fine tooth gear took a while to get in, but ag ain the flex plate did me no good until-I had a prop hub - and WW knows t his.-When they did arrive I powder coated the ruing gear and set it aside with the gear for a few weeks until CC#21.-I did not know how to change out the gear on the starter (and I did not buy the starter from WW).- At CC#21 WW took the time to personally change the gear on my starter,-and h e showed a group of builders-one-on-one-how to do it. - Safety Shaft and Hybryd studs.- Showed up in-2-3 weeks. - Modified Oil pickup / oil pan install kit:- Showed up within 2 weeks. - Gold Prop hub, Gold Oil Pan and Gold Oil Filter Housing were all ordered wi thin 30 days of CC#21 and were ready first thing Friday mornging during CC# 21.- If I wanted them shipped he would have done so - but why?- I cant put the oil pan on-until I have an engine stand and that wasnt happening until CC#21 - BTW: When an item called for washers, nuts or bolts, every nut and every bo lt needed-was included, and every last washer, nut and bolt was there - n o extras and no shorts - ever. - Now If I were to simply stop here, only answering the question, I would be a bad person. So let-me take this question in a new direction.- - When I showed up at CC#21, I had not remedied my crankcase ventilation prob lem yet.- And-I had no rear baffles.- I was ready to make temp baffle s from some alum sheet I brought amd-I would have just drilled a hole in my valve covers to get through the break in.- HOWEVER William told me tha t WHATEVER I needed, go to his table and grab it - I could pay him later. - So I grabbed a $150 par of powder coated valve covers with oil fill and breatehr tubes installed, and-two rear baffles and put them on my engine . - If that wasnt enough, he noticed the hardware I used to mount my heads and rocker arms were AN363 all metal self locking nuts.- He was concerned abo ut a few issues with my selection / application.- So he went over to his table and brought back about $80 dollars worh of grade 8 nuts and washers a nd-AN363 jam nuts.-He told me to-use-his $400 digital torque wrench vs my $25 beam style craftsman. -He showed me how to put these on the ro ckers - the RIGHT way.- Never once did he mention the cost of the hardwar e and has never-indicated I needed to add the two bags of nuts on to my v alve cover bill, although I did and his money is on the way as I write this .- - If that wasn't enough to do for me, a guy he knows barely, the final few mi nutes of my breakin William teaches me EXACTLY how to check the timing at f ull throttle to ensure my engine does not destroy itself all beacuse I dont know how to do a 30 second job called "using a timing light to check timin g".- But wait there is more.- As a final act of kindness, William-giv es me the timing light as a gift.- Its a-very nice, BRAND NEW just out of the box "set back" timing-light.- Probalby an $80 gift consider tax and shipping. - I built my engine in 368 days and in that- time, my progress was NEVER de layed while waiting on a part-frrom William.- There are TONS of things to do while parts were on order. - William realized a long time ago he needed to do something about builders p erceptions regarding-lead times.- So he hired a new welder - check him out "at the handar".- William offers-a new CNC billet oil pan that does not need to be welded - this saves time also. - If you think WW does not turn parts around fast enough I say you are wrong and have unrealistic expectations.- If you dont like the lead times, feel free to call Aeromax.- Oh wait a minute, you cant call Aeromax.- There out of business. - Bob "Early Builder" Dewenter Dayton OH Corvair College 21 Graduate! Pietenpol


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    Time: 01:28:00 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Corvair College 21
    From: "Bryan Reed" <reed44@gmail.com>
    My God, speaking of flame thrower, what would you call your last post. Seemed like an awful innocent question and certainly NOT deserving of your reply. People hang here for help and camaraderie. If WW is such a stellar operation it surely doesn't need defending. Bryan -------- Working Piet N5289B While I may not always be right, I apologize well. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358300#358300


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    Time: 01:41:33 PM PST US
    From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Corvair College 21
    Having been around this forum for well over 10 years now, I can say that WW stirs up some pretty intense feelings in some folks, both positive and not so much. There is a history and reasons for that. Do not archive Kip Gardner On Nov 17, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Bryan Reed wrote: > > My God, speaking of flame thrower, what would you call your last > post. Seemed like an awful innocent question and certainly NOT > deserving of your reply. People hang here for help and camaraderie. > If WW is such a stellar operation it surely doesn't need defending. > > Bryan > > -------- > Working Piet N5289B > > While I may not always be right, I apologize well. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358300#358300 > >


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    Time: 02:07:51 PM PST US
    From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
    Subject: Re: coining new words
    James, I think Gardiner was referring to the pile of Pietenpols that existed after the tornado at Sun 'n' Fun this spring. But your post is very true. I haven"t flown in a Piet for 4 hours -- yet. But it would certainly help to have a nice soft cushion!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: James Haklin To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:29 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: coining new words In the 2 years that I have been reading this site I have replied only once--Not much to say I guess... I couldn't pass this one--Pietenpile..... What you get when you fly your Piet for 4 hours non-stop and you forgot your soft cushion...:0) Still building but close, Pickle Jim On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:53 PM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote: <airlion@bellsouth.net> I think I have the best new word. How about a Pietenpile. Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: Bryan Reed <reed44@gmail.com> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wed, November 16, 2011 1:18:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: coining new words <reed44@gmail.com> I think beer is what started this venture of new words. It must be five o'clock somewhere. : ) Try: Pieted, Similar to Tweeted but understood only by a select group with somewhat questionable sanity. When Pieted topics are discussed in front of other nonbelievers it may cause them to appear distracted with glazed over eyes. Most notably, spouses but the same effect can be rendered upon even complete strangers. Cheers, Bryan -------- Working Piet N5289B While I may not always be right, I apologize well. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358116#358116 November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on /" target="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com omebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com http:/r generous support! Matronics List Features Navigator to browse s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com Matt Dralle, List Admin. ====


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    Time: 02:41:53 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Corvair College 21
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    Hmmm, Bob... that's odd. I had a hard time finding Greg's question, other than your response to it. Finally, I found it in a different thread, posted three weeks ago. It appears that immediately after the question was asked, it was answered (quite succinctly). Having said that, I wouldn't necessarily say the question was "a load of crap". It was a simple question asking whether the delivery times have improved. In the past, some people had voiced concerns about extended delivery times for some components. You say that yours was delivered in 60 days, and that is within the the amount of time listed on William's website for that item. It sounds as though (based on your experience) delivery times are not an issue. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358315#358315


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    Time: 03:09:20 PM PST US
    From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Corvair College 21
    Bob Dewenter, The question is NOT a "load of crap". You can contact me off list if you'd like the back story. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis gcardinal@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: early builder To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair College 21 Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com wrote.. Has William improved his turn around time on the distributor overhaul? I've heard complaints about well over a year with little communication with his clients. Greg Bacon Greg, This question is a load of crap to be honest. It should not be posted on a public forum - kind of like a flame thrower or someone yellling fire in a theatre. I thought this was sent to me personally until i discovered it here and I must respond publicly. Folks, I would have to know what this "fellow" said exactly and who he was, what he is building and if he has actually ever ordered a part from WW. Does this "fellow" have an axe to grind with WW becasue WW hurt his feelings on an internet post or didn't call him or repsond to an email in 5 minutes? I never got to a point where I was frustrated - not even close. He is not Autozone. He makes parts that don't exist anywhere else. The parts I have ordered from William include: E/P Distributor. Ordered long before I needed it. Arrived long before I needed it. Took about 60 days. It sat unused for about 4 months in my office. It came with a new cap and a new rotor. BTW it does not go on the engine until about 10 minutes before you start it for the first time becasue you have to prime the oil system first. Starter kt: The top cover, and brackets appeared in a few days after ordering. The ring gear and fine tooth gear took a while to get in, but again the flex plate did me no good until I had a prop hub - and WW knows this. When they did arrive I powder coated the ruing gear and set it aside with the gear for a few weeks until CC#21. I did not know how to change out the gear on the starter (and I did not buy the starter from WW). At CC#21 WW took the time to personally change the gear on my starter, and he showed a group of builders one-on-one how to do it. Safety Shaft and Hybryd studs. Showed up in 2-3 weeks. Modified Oil pickup / oil pan install kit: Showed up within 2 weeks. Gold Prop hub, Gold Oil Pan and Gold Oil Filter Housing were all ordered within 30 days of CC#21 and were ready first thing Friday mornging during CC#21. If I wanted them shipped he would have done so - but why? I cant put the oil pan on until I have an engine stand and that wasnt happening until CC#21 BTW: When an item called for washers, nuts or bolts, every nut and every bolt needed was included, and every last washer, nut and bolt was there - no extras and no shorts - ever. Now If I were to simply stop here, only answering the question, I would be a bad person. So let me take this question in a new direction. When I showed up at CC#21, I had not remedied my crankcase ventilation problem yet. And I had no rear baffles. I was ready to make temp baffles from some alum sheet I brought amd I would have just drilled a hole in my valve covers to get through the break in. HOWEVER William told me that WHATEVER I needed, go to his table and grab it - I could pay him later. So I grabbed a $150 par of powder coated valve covers with oil fill and breatehr tubes installed, and two rear baffles and put them on my engine. If that wasnt enough, he noticed the hardware I used to mount my heads and rocker arms were AN363 all metal self locking nuts. He was concerned about a few issues with my selection / application. So he went over to his table and brought back about $80 dollars worh of grade 8 nuts and washers and AN363 jam nuts. He told me to use his $400 digital torque wrench vs my $25 beam style craftsman. He showed me how to put these on the rockers - the RIGHT way. Never once did he mention the cost of the hardware and has never indicated I needed to add the two bags of nuts on to my valve cover bill, although I did and his money is on the way as I write this. If that wasn't enough to do for me, a guy he knows barely, the final few minutes of my breakin William teaches me EXACTLY how to check the timing at full throttle to ensure my engine does not destroy itself all beacuse I dont know how to do a 30 second job called "using a timing light to check timing". But wait there is more. As a final act of kindness, William gives me the timing light as a gift. Its a very nice, BRAND NEW just out of the box "set back" timing light. Probalby an $80 gift consider tax and shipping. I built my engine in 368 days and in that time, my progress was NEVER delayed while waiting on a part frrom William. There are TONS of things to do while parts were on order. William realized a long time ago he needed to do something about builders perceptions regarding lead times. So he hired a new welder - check him out "at the handar". William offers a new CNC billet oil pan that does not need to be welded - this saves time also. If you think WW does not turn parts around fast enough I say you are wrong and have unrealistic expectations. If you dont like the lead times, feel free to call Aeromax. Oh wait a minute, you cant call Aeromax. There out of business. Bob "Early Builder" Dewenter Dayton OH Corvair College 21 Graduate! Pietenpol


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    Time: 05:22:44 PM PST US
    From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Corvair College 21
    I think Bob gets a mulligan.a little over the top, but, remember, he just returned from CC21. Having attended a total 5 Corvair Colleges myself, so far, I know how he feels. .and, Greg, it's all good. Just plan ahead and keep building. Gary NX308MB Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Cardinal Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 3:09 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair College 21 Bob Dewenter, The question is NOT a "load of crap". You can contact me off list if you'd like the back story. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis gcardinal@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: early builder <mailto:nx797rd@yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair College 21 Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com wrote.. Has William improved his turn around time on the distributor overhaul? I've heard complaints about well over a year with little communication with his clients. Greg Bacon Greg, This question is a load of crap to be honest. It should not be posted on a public forum - kind of like a flame thrower or someone yellling fire in a theatre. I thought this was sent to me personally until i discovered it here and I must respond publicly. Folks, I would have to know what this "fellow" said exactly and who he was, what he is building and if he has actually ever ordered a part from WW. Does this "fellow" have an axe to grind with WW becasue WW hurt his feelings on an internet post or didn't call him or repsond to an email in 5 minutes? I never got to a point where I was frustrated - not even close. He is not Autozone. He makes parts that don't exist anywhere else. The parts I have ordered from William include: E/P Distributor. Ordered long before I needed it. Arrived long before I needed it. Took about 60 days. It sat unused for about 4 months in my office. It came with a new cap and a new rotor. BTW it does not go on the engine until about 10 minutes before you start it for the first time becasue you have to prime the oil system first. Starter kt: The top cover, and brackets appeared in a few days after ordering. The ring gear and fine tooth gear took a while to get in, but again the flex plate did me no good until I had a prop hub - and WW knows this. When they did arrive I powder coated the ruing gear and set it aside with the gear for a few weeks until CC#21. I did not know how to change out the gear on the starter (and I did not buy the starter from WW). At CC#21 WW took the time to personally change the gear on my starter, and he showed a group of builders one-on-one how to do it. Safety Shaft and Hybryd studs. Showed up in 2-3 weeks. Modified Oil pickup / oil pan install kit: Showed up within 2 weeks. Gold Prop hub, Gold Oil Pan and Gold Oil Filter Housing were all ordered within 30 days of CC#21 and were ready first thing Friday mornging during CC#21. If I wanted them shipped he would have done so - but why? I cant put the oil pan on until I have an engine stand and that wasnt happening until CC#21 BTW: When an item called for washers, nuts or bolts, every nut and every bolt needed was included, and every last washer, nut and bolt was there - no extras and no shorts - ever. Now If I were to simply stop here, only answering the question, I would be a bad person. So let me take this question in a new direction. When I showed up at CC#21, I had not remedied my crankcase ventilation problem yet. And I had no rear baffles. I was ready to make temp baffles from some alum sheet I brought amd I would have just drilled a hole in my valve covers to get through the break in. HOWEVER William told me that WHATEVER I needed, go to his table and grab it - I could pay him later. So I grabbed a $150 par of powder coated valve covers with oil fill and breatehr tubes installed, and two rear baffles and put them on my engine. If that wasnt enough, he noticed the hardware I used to mount my heads and rocker arms were AN363 all metal self locking nuts. He was concerned about a few issues with my selection / application. So he went over to his table and brought back about $80 dollars worh of grade 8 nuts and washers and AN363 jam nuts. He told me to use his $400 digital torque wrench vs my $25 beam style craftsman. He showed me how to put these on the rockers - the RIGHT way. Never once did he mention the cost of the hardware and has never indicated I needed to add the two bags of nuts on to my valve cover bill, although I did and his money is on the way as I write this. If that wasn't enough to do for me, a guy he knows barely, the final few minutes of my breakin William teaches me EXACTLY how to check the timing at full throttle to ensure my engine does not destroy itself all beacuse I dont know how to do a 30 second job called "using a timing light to check timing". But wait there is more. As a final act of kindness, William gives me the timing light as a gift. Its a very nice, BRAND NEW just out of the box "set back" timing light. Probalby an $80 gift consider tax and shipping. I built my engine in 368 days and in that time, my progress was NEVER delayed while waiting on a part frrom William. There are TONS of things to do while parts were on order. William realized a long time ago he needed to do something about builders perceptions regarding lead times. So he hired a new welder - check him out "at the handar". William offers a new CNC billet oil pan that does not need to be welded - this saves time also. If you think WW does not turn parts around fast enough I say you are wrong and have unrealistic expectations. If you dont like the lead times, feel free to call Aeromax. Oh wait a minute, you cant call Aeromax. There out of business. Bob "Early Builder" Dewenter Dayton OH Corvair College 21 Graduate! Pietenpol href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


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    Time: 06:35:04 PM PST US
    From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: New home
    Nice to see progress, Rick! Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Schreiber Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:21 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: New home Well folks, yesterday was a milestone in my Pietenpol building saga. I finally have moved the plane from home out to a heated hanger at the airport. I have a cople of spots to finish varnishing on the fuselage then I will hang the engine and attach the wings. I have enclosed a couple of shots my Wife took of the moving process. We used a friends covered trailer for the move so it wound up being as easy process. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN




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