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                           Pietenpol-List Digest Archive
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Today's Message Index:
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     0. 12:37 AM - Please Support The Lists...   (Matt Dralle)
     1. 06:25 AM - 100th posting...  (aerocarjake)
     2. 06:39 AM - Re: 100th posting...  (Piet2112)
     3. 07:11 AM - Re: 100th posting...  (K5YAC)
     4. 07:18 AM - Re: 100th posting...  (Jerry Dotson)
     5. 07:23 AM - New home  (Richard Schreiber)
     6. 07:32 AM - Re: Re: coining new words  (James Haklin)
     7. 07:43 AM - Re: New home  (Jack Phillips)
     8. 07:49 AM - Re: New home  (Jim Markle)
     9. 08:09 AM - Re: coining new words  (BYD)
    10. 08:11 AM - Re: New home  (Ken Bickers)
    11. 09:01 AM - Re: New home  (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
    12. 09:14 AM - Re: Re: coining new words  (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
    13. 10:00 AM - Re: New home  (Bill Church)
    14. 10:10 AM - Re: New home  (aerocarjake)
    15. 11:48 AM - Re: Corvair College 21  (early builder)
    16. 01:28 PM - Re: Corvair College 21  (Bryan Reed)
    17. 01:41 PM - Re: Re: Corvair College 21  (Kip and Beth Gardner)
    18. 02:07 PM - Re: Re: coining new words  (C N Campbell)
    19. 02:41 PM - Re: Corvair College 21  (Bill Church)
    20. 03:09 PM - Re: Re: Corvair College 21  (Greg Cardinal)
    21. 05:22 PM - Re: Re: Corvair College 21  (Gboothe5)
    22. 06:35 PM - Re: New home  (Gboothe5)
 
 
 
________________________________  Message 0  _____________________________________


Time: 12:37:00 AM PST US
From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Please Support The Lists... 


Dear Listers,

Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month.  There
are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well!   Your Contributions
alone keep these services up and running.

Please make your Contribution today at:  

        http://www.matronics.com/contribution

or by dropping a personal check in the mail to: 

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Thank you!

Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator


________________________________  Message 1  _____________________________________


Time: 06:25:36 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 100th posting...
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com>


Hello good Pietenpeople,

Well this is my 100th post and my 50th birthday....... 

Figure I'm about halfway through my life and halfway (three years so far) through
my Pietenpol project. 

Thanks to all of you for contributing to the quality of life's adventure...........!

Jake

--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum  (OK, it's just my home)


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________________________________  Message 2  _____________________________________


Time: 06:39:12 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 100th posting...
From: "Piet2112" <curtdm@gmail.com>


Happy Birthday!

Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX


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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358255#358255


________________________________  Message 3  _____________________________________


Time: 07:11:46 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 100th posting...
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>


Happy Birthday!

--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage


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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358257#358257


________________________________  Message 4  _____________________________________


Time: 07:18:22 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 100th posting...
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>


50 you are just a pup. Happy Birthday!

do not archive[/b]

--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531

Started building  NX510JD  July, 2009
now covering
21&quot; wheels
Lycoming O-235 C 2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44


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________________________________  Message 5  _____________________________________


Time: 07:23:33 AM PST US
From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge@earthlink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New home

Well folks, yesterday was a milestone in my Pietenpol building saga. I finally
have moved the plane from home out to a heated hanger at the airport. I have a
cople of spots to finish varnishing on the fuselage then I will hang the engine
and attach the wings. I have enclosed a couple of shots my Wife took of the
moving process.

We used a friends covered trailer for the move so it wound up being as easy process.

Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN

________________________________  Message 6  _____________________________________


Time: 07:32:22 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: coining new words
From: James Haklin <jhaklin@gmail.com>

In the 2 years that I have been reading this site I have replied only
once--Not much to say I guess...

I couldn't pass this one--Pietenpile..... What you get when you fly your
Piet for 4 hours non-stop and you forgot your soft cushion...:0)

Still building but close,

Pickle Jim

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:53 PM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>
> I think I have the best new word. How about a Pietenpile. Gardiner
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Bryan Reed <reed44@gmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wed, November 16, 2011 1:18:20 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: coining new words
>
>
> I think beer is what started this venture of new words. It must be five
> o'clock
> somewhere. : )
>
>
>  Try: Pieted, Similar to Tweeted but understood only by a select group with
> somewhat questionable sanity. When Pieted topics are discussed in front of
> other
> nonbelievers it may cause them to appear distracted with glazed over eyes.
> Most
> notably, spouses but the same effect can be rendered upon even complete
> strangers.
>
>    Cheers,
>
>      Bryan
>
> --------
> Working Piet N5289B
>
> While I may not always be right, I apologize well.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358116#358116
>
>

________________________________  Message 7  _____________________________________


Time: 07:43:02 AM PST US
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New home

Way to go, Rick!  A major milestone indeed!


Jack Phillips

NX899JP

Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia


  _____  

From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Schreiber
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:21 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New home


Well folks, yesterday was a milestone in my Pietenpol building saga. I
finally have moved the plane from home out to a heated hanger at the
airport. I have a cople of spots to finish varnishing on the fuselage then I
will hang the engine and attach the wings. I have enclosed a couple of shots
my Wife took of the moving process.


We used a friends covered trailer for the move so it wound up being as easy
process.


Rick Schreiber

Valparaiso, IN


________________________________  Message 8  _____________________________________


Time: 07:49:58 AM PST US
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New home



________________________________  Message 9  _____________________________________


Time: 08:09:13 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: coining new words
From: "BYD" <billsayre@ymail.com>



aircamperace(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> So tell me then how may pietenpolocks does it take to screw in a landing light
 --


NONE - Real Pietenpols don't have landing lights!


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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358266#358266


________________________________  Message 10  ____________________________________


Time: 08:11:01 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New home
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>


Very cool.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>


________________________________  Message 11  ____________________________________


Time: 09:01:48 AM PST US
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New home

Nice Rick,

I wish I could come make a visit, however for the time being that option is 
 gone. 

It does feel good to bring her to the man cave rather then to remain a  
cellar dweller or basement beauty all dressed up and no place to go!

Keep up the good work and the pics coming

John

________________________________  Message 12  ____________________________________


Time: 09:14:18 AM PST US
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: coining new words

Jim,

Ya been holding on to that one for some time, good one!

BTW is anyone collecting these for the book sale at Brodhead this  year?

It could be the first edition of the pietctionary, naturally it would have  
to include a section or series of chapters specifically dedicated to the  
combined works of the "solutions and answers of life's problems,  issues, 
trial and tribulations as quoted from TGWP and applied by none  other than JH.

Great works and words of Pietliterary Pros should all be archived in  
Pietpetuity 

Do not archive as this does not qualify for such writings

John
safe in the morning & dangerous all the day  long

________________________________  Message 13  ____________________________________


Time: 10:00:20 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New home
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>


Cool!

BC

do not archive


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________________________________  Message 14  ____________________________________


Time: 10:10:09 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New home
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com>


Looks like a fantastic way to spend a beautiful fall day.....!

--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum  (OK, it's just my home)


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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358285#358285


________________________________  Message 15  ____________________________________


Time: 11:48:30 AM PST US
From: early builder <nx797rd@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair College 21


Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com wrote..

Has William improved his turn around time on the distributor overhaul?
 I've heard complaints about well over a year with little communication
with his clients.

Greg Bacon


Greg, 
-
This question is a load of crap to be honest.- It should not be posted on
 a public forum - kind of like a flame thrower or someone yellling fire in 
a theatre.
I thought this was sent to me personally until i discovered it here and I m
ust respond publicly.
-
Folks,
-
I would have to know what this "fellow" said exactly and who he was, what h
e is building and if he has actually ever ordered a part from WW.- Does t
his "fellow" have an axe to grind with WW becasue WW hurt his feelings on a
n internet post or didn't call him or repsond to an email in 5 minutes?
-
I never got to a point where I was frustrated - not even close.-He is not
 Autozone.- He makes parts that don't exist-anywhere else. -The parts
 I have ordered from William include:
-
E/P Distributor.- Ordered long before I needed it.- Arrived long before
 I needed it.- Took about 60 days.- It sat unused for about 4 months in
 my office.- It came with a new cap and a new rotor.- BTW it does not g
o on the engine until about 10 minutes before you start it for the first ti
me becasue you have to prime the oil system-first.
-
Starter kt: The top cover, and brackets appeared in a few days after orderi
ng.- The-ring gear-and fine tooth gear took a while to get in, but ag
ain the flex plate did me no good until-I had a prop hub - and WW knows t
his.-When they did arrive I powder coated the ruing gear and set it aside
 with the gear for a few weeks until CC#21.-I did not know how to change 
out the gear on the starter (and I did not buy the starter from WW).- At 
CC#21 WW took the time to personally change the gear on my starter,-and h
e showed a group of builders-one-on-one-how to do it.
-
Safety Shaft and Hybryd studs.- Showed up in-2-3 weeks.
-
Modified Oil pickup / oil pan install kit:- Showed up within 2 weeks.
-
Gold Prop hub, Gold Oil Pan and Gold Oil Filter Housing were all ordered wi
thin 30 days of CC#21 and were ready first thing Friday mornging during CC#
21.- If I wanted them shipped he would have done so - but why?- I cant 
put the oil pan on-until I have an engine stand and that wasnt happening 
until CC#21
-
BTW: When an item called for washers, nuts or bolts, every nut and every bo
lt needed-was included, and every last washer, nut and bolt was there - n
o extras and no shorts - ever.
-
Now If I were to simply stop here, only answering the question, I would be 
a bad person. So let-me take this question in a new direction.- 
-
When I showed up at CC#21, I had not remedied my crankcase ventilation prob
lem yet.- And-I had no rear baffles.- I was ready to make temp baffle
s from some alum sheet I brought amd-I would have just drilled a hole in 
my valve covers to get through the break in.- HOWEVER William told me tha
t WHATEVER I needed, go to his table and grab it - I could pay him later.
- So I grabbed a $150 par of powder coated valve covers with oil fill and
 breatehr tubes installed, and-two rear baffles and put them on my engine
..
-
If that wasnt enough, he noticed the hardware I used to mount my heads and 
rocker arms were AN363 all metal self locking nuts.- He was concerned abo
ut a few issues with my selection / application.- So he went over to his 
table and brought back about $80 dollars worh of grade 8 nuts and washers a
nd-AN363 jam nuts.-He told me to-use-his $400 digital torque wrench
 vs my $25 beam style craftsman. -He showed me how to put these on the ro
ckers - the RIGHT way.- Never once did he mention the cost of the hardwar
e and has never-indicated I needed to add the two bags of nuts on to my v
alve cover bill, although I did and his money is on the way as I write this
.- 
-
If that wasn't enough to do for me, a guy he knows barely, the final few mi
nutes of my breakin William teaches me EXACTLY how to check the timing at f
ull throttle to ensure my engine does not destroy itself all beacuse I dont
 know how to do a 30 second job called "using a timing light to check timin
g".- But wait there is more.- As a final act of kindness, William-giv
es me the timing light as a gift.- Its a-very nice, BRAND NEW just out 
of the box "set back" timing-light.- Probalby an $80 gift consider tax 
and shipping.
-
I built my engine in 368 days and in that- time, my progress was NEVER de
layed while waiting on a part-frrom William.- There are TONS of things 
to do while parts were on order.
-
William realized a long time ago he needed to do something about builders p
erceptions regarding-lead times.- So he hired a new welder - check him 
out "at the handar".- William offers-a new CNC billet oil pan that does
 not need to be welded - this saves time also.
-
If you think WW does not turn parts around fast enough I say you are wrong 
and have unrealistic expectations.- If you dont like the lead times, feel
 free to call Aeromax.- Oh wait a minute, you cant call Aeromax.- There
 out of business.
-
Bob "Early Builder" Dewenter
Dayton OH
Corvair College 21 Graduate!
Pietenpol

________________________________  Message 16  ____________________________________


Time: 01:28:00 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair College 21
From: "Bryan Reed" <reed44@gmail.com>


My God, speaking of flame thrower, what would you call your last post. Seemed like
an awful innocent question and certainly NOT deserving of your reply. People
hang here for help and camaraderie. If WW is such a stellar operation it surely
doesn't need defending. 

     Bryan

--------
Working Piet N5289B

While I may not always be right, I apologize well.


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________________________________  Message 17  ____________________________________


Time: 01:41:33 PM PST US
From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair College 21


Having been around this forum for well over 10 years now, I can say  
that WW stirs up some pretty intense feelings in some folks, both  
positive and not so much.  There is a history and reasons for that.

Do not archive

Kip Gardner

On Nov 17, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Bryan Reed wrote:

>
> My God, speaking of flame thrower, what would you call your last  
> post. Seemed like an awful innocent question and certainly NOT  
> deserving of your reply. People hang here for help and camaraderie.  
> If WW is such a stellar operation it surely doesn't need defending.
>
>     Bryan
>
> --------
> Working Piet N5289B
>
> While I may not always be right, I apologize well.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358300#358300
>
>


________________________________  Message 18  ____________________________________


Time: 02:07:51 PM PST US
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: coining new words

James, I think Gardiner was referring to the pile of Pietenpols that 
existed after the tornado at Sun 'n' Fun this spring.  But your post is 
very true.  I haven"t flown in a Piet for 4 hours -- yet.  But it would 
certainly help to have a nice soft cushion!!!!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: James Haklin 
  To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:29 AM
  Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: coining new words


  In the 2 years that I have been reading this site I have replied only 
once--Not much to say I guess...

  I couldn't pass this one--Pietenpile..... What you get when you fly 
your Piet for 4 hours non-stop and you forgot your soft cushion...:0)

  Still building but close,

  Pickle Jim


  On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:53 PM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> 
wrote:

<airlion@bellsouth.net>

    I think I have the best new word. How about a Pietenpile. Gardiner


    ----- Original Message ----
    From: Bryan Reed <reed44@gmail.com>
    To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
    Sent: Wed, November 16, 2011 1:18:20 PM
    Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: coining new words

<reed44@gmail.com>

    I think beer is what started this venture of new words. It must be 
five o'clock
    somewhere. : )


     Try: Pieted, Similar to Tweeted but understood only by a select 
group with
    somewhat questionable sanity. When Pieted topics are discussed in 
front of other
    nonbelievers it may cause them to appear distracted with glazed over 
eyes. Most
    notably, spouses but the same effect can be rendered upon even 
complete
    strangers.

       Cheers,

         Bryan

    --------
    Working Piet N5289B

    While I may not always be right, I apologize well.


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________________________________  Message 19  ____________________________________


Time: 02:41:53 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair College 21
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>


Hmmm, Bob... that's odd.
I had a hard time finding Greg's question, other than your response to it. Finally,
I found it in a different thread, posted three weeks ago. It appears that
immediately after the question was asked, it was answered (quite succinctly).
Having said that, I wouldn't necessarily say the question was "a load of crap".
It was a simple question asking whether the delivery times have improved. In
the past, some people had voiced concerns about extended delivery times for some
components. You say that yours was delivered in  60 days, and that is within
the the amount of time listed on William's website for that item.
It sounds as though (based on your experience) delivery times are not an issue.


Bill C.


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________________________________  Message 20  ____________________________________


Time: 03:09:20 PM PST US
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair College 21

Bob Dewenter,

The question is NOT a "load of crap".
You can contact me off list if you'd like the back story.

Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
gcardinal@comcast.net

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: early builder 
  To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:44 PM
  Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair College 21


          Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com wrote..

          Has William improved his turn around time on the distributor 
overhaul?
          I've heard complaints about well over a year with little 
communication
          with his clients.

          Greg Bacon


          Greg, 

          This question is a load of crap to be honest.  It should not 
be posted on a public forum - kind of like a flame thrower or someone 
yellling fire in a theatre.
          I thought this was sent to me personally until i discovered it 
here and I must respond publicly.

          Folks,

          I would have to know what this "fellow" said exactly and who 
he was, what he is building and if he has actually ever ordered a part 
from WW.  Does this "fellow" have an axe to grind with WW becasue WW 
hurt his feelings on an internet post or didn't call him or repsond to 
an email in 5 minutes?
           
          I never got to a point where I was frustrated - not even 
close. He is not Autozone.  He makes parts that don't exist anywhere 
else.  The parts I have ordered from William include:
           
          E/P Distributor.  Ordered long before I needed it.  Arrived 
long before I needed it.  Took about 60 days.  It sat unused for about 4 
months in my office.  It came with a new cap and a new rotor.  BTW it 
does not go on the engine until about 10 minutes before you start it for 
the first time becasue you have to prime the oil system first.
           
          Starter kt: The top cover, and brackets appeared in a few days 
after ordering.  The ring gear and fine tooth gear took a while to get 
in, but again the flex plate did me no good until I had a prop hub - and 
WW knows this. When they did arrive I powder coated the ruing gear and 
set it aside with the gear for a few weeks until CC#21. I did not know 
how to change out the gear on the starter (and I did not buy the starter 
from WW).  At CC#21 WW took the time to personally change the gear on my 
starter, and he showed a group of builders one-on-one how to do it.
           
          Safety Shaft and Hybryd studs.  Showed up in 2-3 weeks.
           
          Modified Oil pickup / oil pan install kit:  Showed up within 2 
weeks.
           
          Gold Prop hub, Gold Oil Pan and Gold Oil Filter Housing were 
all ordered within 30 days of CC#21 and were ready first thing Friday 
mornging during CC#21.  If I wanted them shipped he would have done so - 
but why?  I cant put the oil pan on until I have an engine stand and 
that wasnt happening until CC#21
           
          BTW: When an item called for washers, nuts or bolts, every nut 
and every bolt needed was included, and every last washer, nut and bolt 
was there - no extras and no shorts - ever.
           
          Now If I were to simply stop here, only answering the 
question, I would be a bad person. So let me take this question in a new 
direction.  
           
          When I showed up at CC#21, I had not remedied my crankcase 
ventilation problem yet.  And I had no rear baffles.  I was ready to 
make temp baffles from some alum sheet I brought amd I would have just 
drilled a hole in my valve covers to get through the break in.  HOWEVER 
William told me that WHATEVER I needed, go to his table and grab it - I 
could pay him later.  So I grabbed a $150 par of powder coated valve 
covers with oil fill and breatehr tubes installed, and two rear baffles 
and put them on my engine.
           
          If that wasnt enough, he noticed the hardware I used to mount 
my heads and rocker arms were AN363 all metal self locking nuts.  He was 
concerned about a few issues with my selection / application.  So he 
went over to his table and brought back about $80 dollars worh of grade 
8 nuts and washers and AN363 jam nuts. He told me to use his $400 
digital torque wrench vs my $25 beam style craftsman.  He showed me how 
to put these on the rockers - the RIGHT way.  Never once did he mention 
the cost of the hardware and has never indicated I needed to add the two 
bags of nuts on to my valve cover bill, although I did and his money is 
on the way as I write this.  
           
          If that wasn't enough to do for me, a guy he knows barely, the 
final few minutes of my breakin William teaches me EXACTLY how to check 
the timing at full throttle to ensure my engine does not destroy itself 
all beacuse I dont know how to do a 30 second job called "using a timing 
light to check timing".  But wait there is more.  As a final act of 
kindness, William gives me the timing light as a gift.  Its a very nice, 
BRAND NEW just out of the box "set back" timing light.  Probalby an $80 
gift consider tax and shipping.
           
          I built my engine in 368 days and in that  time, my progress 
was NEVER delayed while waiting on a part frrom William.  There are TONS 
of things to do while parts were on order.
           
          William realized a long time ago he needed to do something 
about builders perceptions regarding lead times.  So he hired a new 
welder - check him out "at the handar".  William offers a new CNC billet 
oil pan that does not need to be welded - this saves time also.
           
          If you think WW does not turn parts around fast enough I say 
you are wrong and have unrealistic expectations.  If you dont like the 
lead times, feel free to call Aeromax.  Oh wait a minute, you cant call 
Aeromax.  There out of business.
           
          Bob "Early Builder" Dewenter
          Dayton OH
          Corvair College 21 Graduate!
          Pietenpol
       


________________________________  Message 21  ____________________________________


Time: 05:22:44 PM PST US
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair College 21

I think Bob gets a mulligan.a little over the top, but, remember, he just
returned from CC21. Having attended a total 5 Corvair Colleges myself, so
far, I know how he feels.


.and, Greg, it's all good. Just plan ahead and keep building.


Gary

NX308MB

Do not archive


From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Cardinal
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair College 21


Bob Dewenter,


The question is NOT a "load of crap".

You can contact me off list if you'd like the back story.


Greg Cardinal

Minneapolis

gcardinal@comcast.net


----- Original Message ----- 

From: early builder <mailto:nx797rd@yahoo.com>  


Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:44 PM

Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair College 21


Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com wrote..


Has William improved his turn around time on the distributor overhaul?
I've heard complaints about well over a year with little communication
with his clients.

Greg Bacon


Greg, 


This question is a load of crap to be honest.  It should not be posted on a
public forum - kind of like a flame thrower or someone yellling fire in a
theatre.

I thought this was sent to me personally until i discovered it here and I
must respond publicly.


Folks,


I would have to know what this "fellow" said exactly and who he was, what he
is building and if he has actually ever ordered a part from WW.  Does this
"fellow" have an axe to grind with WW becasue WW hurt his feelings on an
internet post or didn't call him or repsond to an email in 5 minutes?


I never got to a point where I was frustrated - not even close. He is not
Autozone.  He makes parts that don't exist anywhere else.  The parts I have
ordered from William include:

E/P Distributor.  Ordered long before I needed it.  Arrived long before I
needed it.  Took about 60 days.  It sat unused for about 4 months in my
office.  It came with a new cap and a new rotor.  BTW it does not go on the
engine until about 10 minutes before you start it for the first time becasue
you have to prime the oil system first.

Starter kt: The top cover, and brackets appeared in a few days after
ordering.  The ring gear and fine tooth gear took a while to get in, but
again the flex plate did me no good until I had a prop hub - and WW knows
this. When they did arrive I powder coated the ruing gear and set it aside
with the gear for a few weeks until CC#21. I did not know how to change out
the gear on the starter (and I did not buy the starter from WW).  At CC#21
WW took the time to personally change the gear on my starter, and he showed
a group of builders one-on-one how to do it.

Safety Shaft and Hybryd studs.  Showed up in 2-3 weeks.

Modified Oil pickup / oil pan install kit:  Showed up within 2 weeks.

Gold Prop hub, Gold Oil Pan and Gold Oil Filter Housing were all ordered
within 30 days of CC#21 and were ready first thing Friday mornging during
CC#21.  If I wanted them shipped he would have done so - but why?  I cant
put the oil pan on until I have an engine stand and that wasnt happening
until CC#21

BTW: When an item called for washers, nuts or bolts, every nut and every
bolt needed was included, and every last washer, nut and bolt was there - no
extras and no shorts - ever.

Now If I were to simply stop here, only answering the question, I would be a
bad person. So let me take this question in a new direction.  

When I showed up at CC#21, I had not remedied my crankcase ventilation
problem yet.  And I had no rear baffles.  I was ready to make temp baffles
from some alum sheet I brought amd I would have just drilled a hole in my
valve covers to get through the break in.  HOWEVER William told me that
WHATEVER I needed, go to his table and grab it - I could pay him later.  So
I grabbed a $150 par of powder coated valve covers with oil fill and
breatehr tubes installed, and two rear baffles and put them on my engine.

If that wasnt enough, he noticed the hardware I used to mount my heads and
rocker arms were AN363 all metal self locking nuts.  He was concerned about
a few issues with my selection / application.  So he went over to his table
and brought back about $80 dollars worh of grade 8 nuts and washers and
AN363 jam nuts. He told me to use his $400 digital torque wrench vs my $25
beam style craftsman.  He showed me how to put these on the rockers - the
RIGHT way.  Never once did he mention the cost of the hardware and has never
indicated I needed to add the two bags of nuts on to my valve cover bill,
although I did and his money is on the way as I write this.  

If that wasn't enough to do for me, a guy he knows barely, the final few
minutes of my breakin William teaches me EXACTLY how to check the timing at
full throttle to ensure my engine does not destroy itself all beacuse I dont
know how to do a 30 second job called "using a timing light to check
timing".  But wait there is more.  As a final act of kindness, William gives
me the timing light as a gift.  Its a very nice, BRAND NEW just out of the
box "set back" timing light.  Probalby an $80 gift consider tax and
shipping.

I built my engine in 368 days and in that  time, my progress was NEVER
delayed while waiting on a part frrom William.  There are TONS of things to
do while parts were on order.

William realized a long time ago he needed to do something about builders
perceptions regarding lead times.  So he hired a new welder - check him out
"at the handar".  William offers a new CNC billet oil pan that does not need
to be welded - this saves time also.

If you think WW does not turn parts around fast enough I say you are wrong
and have unrealistic expectations.  If you dont like the lead times, feel
free to call Aeromax.  Oh wait a minute, you cant call Aeromax.  There out
of business.

Bob "Early Builder" Dewenter
Dayton OH
Corvair College 21 Graduate!
Pietenpol


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________________________________  Message 22  ____________________________________


Time: 06:35:04 PM PST US
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New home

Nice to see progress, Rick!


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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Schreiber
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:21 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New home


Well folks, yesterday was a milestone in my Pietenpol building saga. I
finally have moved the plane from home out to a heated hanger at the
airport. I have a cople of spots to finish varnishing on the fuselage then I
will hang the engine and attach the wings. I have enclosed a couple of shots
my Wife took of the moving process.


We used a friends covered trailer for the move so it wound up being as easy
process.


Rick Schreiber

Valparaiso, IN


 

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