---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 11/21/11: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 09:25 AM - Make Sure You're Listed -- List of Contributors Published Dec 1! (Matt Dralle) 1. 04:38 AM - Re: Corvair College 21 (Don Emch) 2. 06:12 AM - Re: New members and the urge to moderate the list (TOM STINEMETZE) 3. 07:27 AM - flying history (skellytown flyer) 4. 08:31 AM - Re: flying history (Michael Perez) 5. 09:12 AM - Re: Aluminum Head (womenfly2) 6. 10:25 AM - Re: Aluminum Head (Brett Phillips) 7. 11:23 AM - Re: Aluminum Head (Brett Phillips) 8. 12:04 PM - Re: New members and the urge to moderate the list (kevinpurtee) 9. 12:08 PM - Re: New home (kevinpurtee) 10. 12:34 PM - Re: Aluminum Head (899PM) 11. 12:57 PM - Re: Aluminum Head (womenfly2) 12. 01:19 PM - Re: Aluminum Head (bender) 13. 01:39 PM - Re: Aluminum Head (Brett Phillips) 14. 01:45 PM - Re: Aluminum Head (Brett Phillips) 15. 03:38 PM - Re: Re: Aluminum Head (helspersew@aol.com) 16. 03:41 PM - Re: Aluminum Head (dgaldrich) 17. 05:56 PM - Aluminum head (Lawrence Williams) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 09:25:59 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Make Sure You're Listed -- List of Contributors Published Dec 1! Dear Listers, The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December 1st I post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. As a number of people have pointed out in their Contribution comments, the Lists are a whole lot more valuable than your typical magazine subscription! Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matronics / Matt Dralle 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair College 21 From: "Don Emch" "...Most of you do not know me. I was subsribed to this list a few years ago, but the chatter drove me away. I'm now back..." Whew...I'd take the chatter any day over a "gasket blowing" response like the above. This group is a little different than most of the groups out there. A lot of these folks get the opportunity to meet face to face. This tends to keep the long timers a little more civil. Besides we're all one "Pietple". Don Emch NX899DE do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358620#358620 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:53 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New members and the urge to moderate the list Hey! Who you callin' a "Senior" you...you.. Whippersnapper you. No that probably should be... you Cranksnapper you. Stinemetze And the most thankful of Thanksgivings to all of you - especially Axel and his better half. do not archive ____ | ____ \8/ o/ \o >>> "kevinpurtee" 11/20/2011 10:05 PM >>> He also pointed out that any moderating that gets done usually occurs from one of the informal "senior" members. If you relax, read the posts, spend some time in the archives and mind your business, you'll figure out who those people are. If you haven't been on the list for several years you're probably not one of them. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying history From: "skellytown flyer" Well it's pre- Piet but I sure liked it. http://www.nmusafvirtualtour.com/media/005/005k.html do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358626#358626 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:22 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying history Great clip! Love the vintage footage like that. I came across this DVD, Victory By Air, in Walmart for $5.00. It is the best archival DVD I have seen. 95% of the entire DVD is actual footage. I just watched some of it again over the weekend. (I've had it about a year.) http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003R0G4PA/?tag=googhydr-20&hvadid=13392082529&ref=pd_sl_1ki9tx6syn_e Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Head From: "womenfly2" -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358642#358642 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:25:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Head From: "Brett Phillips" Keri Ann is right on. The Winfield repros seem to have one of the best combustion chamber designs of the available high compression heads. The fact that they are available in Aluminum from Red's headers and Sacramento Vintage Ford makes them a logical choice for Ford powered Piets. Be careful about your choice of compression ratio though, too much will cause detonation which quickly destroys babbitt. Most of the car guys agree that 6:1 works the best for relatively stock engines. I believe the Winfield heads from Sacramento Vintage Ford can be machined to reduce the compression ratio in case Red's headers is out of stock. http://www.vintageford.com/sect_search.cfm?Line=4B&Category=Engine-%20Heads Having said all that, I don't own one of these heads (wish I did though). The engine I'm building up will use the Dan Price head that came with the project. I also have a Dick McKee head from the mid '80's that will likely remain a landlubber due to a spotty reputation. Best Regards, Brett Phillips Strasburg, VA NX311GP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358724#358724 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Head From: "Brett Phillips" Here's a thread from Fordbarn with some other sources: http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52395 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358732#358732 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New members and the urge to moderate the list From: "kevinpurtee" Now now, Tom. Moderation. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours as well, my friend. Shelley & Kevin do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358740#358740 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New home From: "kevinpurtee" I see a buncha people working carrying stuff, Rick. Who's taking the pics??? [Wink] do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358742#358742 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:34:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Head From: "899PM" Red's has these cast a couple times a year to meet demand. I waited several months for a 7:1. I am running inserted mains and rods. Because my block had been decked a couple times in its life, I have piston protrusion of about .040". I had to machine piston clearance in my head to accommodate the piston protrusion and the torqued head gasket thickness. I had several conversations with Larry Brumfield and he was very adamant about a resultant squish area of about .040"-.060". I machined clearance to result in a squish of .050", which yields a CR of 6.7:1(which is exactly what the Funk heads were). My engine ran like the proverbial "swiss watch" prior to the fiber cam gear self destructing. -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358744#358744 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:57:33 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Head From: "womenfly2" My Model-A used a Dan Price 6:1 Aluminum head. Actual HP was 59 and turning an Ash prop of 82" Dia. x 42 P with a 6 inch wide blade chord @ 1800 RPM in flight, speed 73-MPH. -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358747#358747 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Head From: "bender" My engine ran like the proverbial "swiss watch" prior to the fiber cam gear self destructing. can you elaborate.. ? i thought the fiber gears were OK... was there a problem ? or the gear just broke ? jeff in louisville.... close to running my A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358752#358752 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Head From: "Brett Phillips" Keri Ann: I'd like to chat with you some time about the prop you were using. I also have some other questions if you have time. Jeff: Do a search on the Fordbarn site for timing gears, and you will find that many folks in the car hobby are known to carry a spare cam gear on long trips. I have gathered that some reproduction fiber gears are not made to the same standards that Ford used. Aluminum and Bronze gears are available from several sources. They may be a little noisier though. I have an aluminum gear from Bratton's. Brett Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358758#358758 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:47 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Head From: "Brett Phillips" Papa Mike: Those Funk fellows were pretty slick, so I'm sure they had it pretty well figured out. There are several guys who build Model A's for race cars that say a babbitted engine can be built to reliably run over 8:1 compression. They say that the key is to be careful with ignition timing and avoid any situation where the engine pings or detonates. How was/is your engine timed? I've heard several different settings suggested, anywhere from 28 to 32 degrees BTDC. Brett Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358759#358759 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Head From: helspersew@aol.com How do you know it was in fact 59 HP? 82 inches seems very long. What was t he ground clearance? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: womenfly2 Sent: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 2:57 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Head My Model-A used a Dan Price 6:1 Aluminum head. Actual HP was 59 and turning an sh prop of 82" Dia. x 42 P with a 6 inch wide blade chord @ 1800 RPM in fli ght, peed 73-MPH. -------- ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358747#358747 - -= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- -= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) - -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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Others have suggested this supplier but the web site shows that the latest production run has been sold out. Might be worth a call... http://www.secretsofspeed.com/LION.htm Dave Aldrich Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358765#358765 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:56:00 PM PST US From: Lawrence Williams Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum head Fred- why in the world would you want an aluminum head? Get a good iron head (the heavier the better) and you won't be perpetually fighting a tail-heavy aeroplane. 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