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1. 03:42 AM - Re: Leading edge attachment (gliderx5@comcast.net)
2. 03:58 AM - Re: Leading edge attachment (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 04:30 AM - Re: Leading edge attachment (Jim Markle)
4. 04:43 AM - Re: Leading edge attachment (Gboothe5)
5. 05:13 AM - Re: Leading edge attachment (womenfly2)
6. 06:05 AM - Aileron cable quick disconnect (Greg Bacon)
7. 06:25 AM - Re: Aileron cable quick disconnect (Jack Phillips)
8. 06:35 AM - Re: Aileron cable quick disconnect (Jack Phillips)
9. 06:51 AM - Re: Aileron cable quick disconnect (Jeff Wilson)
10. 07:46 AM - bird strike (Timothy Willis)
11. 07:53 AM - Re: members in the news (dog67@aol.com)
12. 07:57 AM - Re: bird strike (CozyGirrrl@aol.com)
13. 08:43 AM - Re: Leading edge attachment (Michael Perez)
14. 08:49 AM - Re: Aileron cable quick disconnect (Greg Bacon)
15. 04:21 PM - Re: Aileron cable quick disconnect (skellytown flyer)
16. 05:51 PM - Re: Pietenpol Mid Air (Jason Holmes)
17. 05:53 PM - Re: bird strike (Pieti Lowell)
18. 06:23 PM - Re: bird strike (jarheadpilot82)
19. 08:38 PM - Re: Re: Aileron cable quick disconnect (Greg Bacon)
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Subject: | Re: Leading edge attachment |
Tom
I used epoxy alone. Also epoxied the LE sheeting to the LE and ribs. I believe
it is strong enough, but I have not finished or flow the airplane yet.
Malcolm Morrison
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Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 9:00:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge attachment
Forgive me in advance if the question doesn't have much merit, but I was wondering
if the leading edge could be attached with epoxy alone or is it necessary
to use the 8-32 machine bolts?
Thanks,
Tom
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Subject: | Re: Leading edge attachment |
Tom,
Your question has as much merit as any other. I used the 8-32 machine screw
s. I would like to hear if any flying Piets only used the glue.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Sent: Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:03 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge attachment
Forgive me in advance if the question doesn't have much merit, but I was
ondering if the leading edge could be attached with epoxy alone or is it
ecessary to use the 8-32 machine bolts?
Thanks,
Tom
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Subject: | Re: Leading edge attachment |
I just used epoxy, no screws. I'm hoping it's not an issue since I also recessed
the 1/16" ply "down into" the leading edge material. That and the fabric wrapped
around the LE should keep it from falling off....
JM
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge attachment
Tom,
Your question has as much merit as any other. I used the 8-32 machine screws. I
would like to hear if any flying Piets only used the glue.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Sent: Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:03 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge attachment
Forgive me in advance if the question doesn't have much merit, but I was
wondering if the leading edge could be attached with epoxy alone or is it
necessary to use the 8-32 machine bolts?
Thanks,
Tom
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Subject: | Leading edge attachment |
Dadoed leading edge with recess for plywood..all epoxied.
Gary from Cool
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Tom,
Your question has as much merit as any other. I used the 8-32 machine
screws. I would like to hear if any flying Piets only used the glue.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge attachment
Forgive me in advance if the question doesn't have much merit, but I was
wondering if the leading edge could be attached with epoxy alone or is it
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Subject: | Re: Leading edge attachment |
Used T-88 with No: 8 Sheet Metal screws into nose web of rib, with drilled hole.
T-88 is strong alone, reason I used screws was to fixture Leading-edge in place
and acting as a clamp until T-88 cured.
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Subject: | Aileron cable quick disconnect |
Does anyone have close-up photos of a simple aileron cable quick disconnect
or product info for an off-the-shelf item?
>From westcoastpiet.com photos, I see Jack Phillips used disconnects, but I
can't make out enough detail. I think Corky may have used them as well.
For future reference, the purpose for the disconnects is to avoid having to
disassemble the center section pulleys in the event wings are removed.
Thanks.
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Prairie Home, MO
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Subject: | Aileron cable quick disconnect |
I just used turnbuckles and shackles in the wings. Pain in the butt to
disconnect and connect, but not something you do every day, and certainly
better than cutting the cables.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron cable quick disconnect
Does anyone have close-up photos of a simple aileron cable quick disconnect
or product info for an off-the-shelf item?
>From westcoastpiet.com photos, I see Jack Phillips used disconnects, but I
can't make out enough detail. I think Corky may have used them as well.
For future reference, the purpose for the disconnects is to avoid having to
disassemble the center section pulleys in the event wings are removed.
Thanks.
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Prairie Home, MO
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Subject: | Aileron cable quick disconnect |
Darn, forgot to attach the picture.
I just used turnbuckles and shackles, as shown in the picture below:
If you look to the left and right of the centersection, you can see the
aileron cables and the turnbuckles and shackles. These are accessible
through inspection ports on the bottom of the wings. I also used quick
disconnect fittings for the pitot and static lines, made by Colder Products.
http://www.colder.com/Tabid/72/MaterialID/1/cID/1/sID/7/Products.aspx
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Bacon
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 9:02 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron cable quick disconnect
Does anyone have close-up photos of a simple aileron cable quick disconnect
or product info for an off-the-shelf item?
>From westcoastpiet.com photos, I see Jack Phillips used disconnects, but I
can't make out enough detail. I think Corky may have used them as well.
For future reference, the purpose for the disconnects is to avoid having to
disassemble the center section pulleys in the event wings are removed.
Thanks.
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Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
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Subject: | Re: Aileron cable quick disconnect |
We just use a simple little "shackle". Cable from cockpit goes beyond center
section into wing. Then between root rib and next rib cable meets cable fro
m the aileron. Connect there with the shackle and provide inspection hole be
low junction.
Turnbuckle for tension adjustment is on lower aileron horn for easy access.
Jeff Wilson
St. Louis, MO
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 28, 2011, at 8:02 AM, Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com> wrote:
> Does anyone have close-up photos of a simple aileron cable quick disconnec
t or product info for an off-the-shelf item?
>
> =46rom westcoastpiet.com photos, I see Jack Phillips used disconnects, but
I can't make out enough detail. I think Corky may have used them as well.
>
> For future reference, the purpose for the disconnects is to avoid having t
o disassemble the center section pulleys in the event wings are removed.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Greg Bacon
> Prairie Home, MO
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Lowell,
Glad you are OK and the Piet only lightly damaged.
That would increase the pucker factor. Imagining a truly head-on
strike, nose-to-beak is terrible.
Sounds like you did all the right things.
regards,
Tim in central TX
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Subject: | Re: members in the news |
http://www.ourcoloradonews.com/castlerock/news/parker-doctor-rushed-in-afte
r-reno-air-crash/article_b182b832-fb5e-54fa-b541-50ece447f160.html
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If you and the bird were on the same heading would you have to dive in
order to strike the bird?
Chrissi & Randi
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Lowell,
Glad you are OK and the Piet only lightly damaged.
That would increase the pucker factor. Imagining a truly head-on
strike, nose-to-beak is terrible.
Sounds like you did all the right things.
regards,
Tim in central TX
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Subject: | Leading edge attachment |
My plywood IS the leading edge...all attached with T-88.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Aileron cable quick disconnect |
Thanks Jack and Jeff. This helps.
Greg Bacon
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Jeff Wilson <jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com> wrote:
> We just use a simple little "shackle". Cable from cockpit goes beyond
> center section into wing. Then between root rib and next rib cable meets
> cable from the aileron. Connect there with the shackle and provide
> inspection hole below junction.
> Turnbuckle for tension adjustment is on lower aileron horn for easy access.
>
> Jeff Wilson
> St. Louis, MO
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 28, 2011, at 8:02 AM, Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have close-up photos of a simple aileron cable quick
> disconnect or product info for an off-the-shelf item?
>
> From <http://westcoastpiet.com>westcoastpiet.com photos, I see Jack
> Phillips used disconnects, but I can't make out enough detail. I think
> Corky may have used them as well.
>
> For future reference, the purpose for the disconnects is to avoid having
> to disassemble the center section pulleys in the event wings are removed.
>
> Thanks.
>
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> Prairie Home, MO
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Subject: | Re: Aileron cable quick disconnect |
I made sets of plates like the connecting link on a bicycle chain. used 3/16" diameter
clevis pins and cotter pins through them. actually went to the trouble
of drilling out 1/4" stainless tubing and cutting short sleeves to eliminate
any wear on the pins and they were long enough to keep the side plates from being
tight against the cable thimbles.I made them to a length that allowed me to
eliminate the turnbuckle on the upper aileron cable- after crimping the nico's/
that way I got it close enough to hold them level with the trailing edges
of the wings.didn't save much weight but I am a tightwad. Raymond
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Subject: | Pietenpol Mid Air |
I just remembered reading a news story somewhere that the FAA has a
reporting website for bird strikes as they are trying to gather data. It
is: http://wildlife-mitigation.tc.faa.gov/wildlife/default.aspx
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pieti Lowell
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 10:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Mid Air
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Today was not the most enjoyable cool flight, Thought I would put a few
hours on the Old Ford, with heat from the radiator and a warm outfit.
I was traveling North, And all of a sudden a flock of Canadian Geese came
out of nowhere on a South path, I eased a slight left course to avoid the
flock and they decided to try a right quick turn.In order to avoid I did a
snap to the left, heard a loud bang, Something snapped, maybe a cable or
wood structure, didn't feel anything except a sharp jolt, I leveled and
tried to see anything that might be a serious problem. I Did a 180 and a
long long nerve racking flight back to the Airport, NO vibrating or odd
noises were detectable, taxied up to the hanger chopped the Ford and took a
look around. Nothing, tail feathers OK, Cables OK, Prop, OK, Wings looked
OK.I parked her in the Hanger and during the gas refueling, the Right Wing
Tip had a streak of red, running four and aft, Close inspection revealed a
broken end rib between the spars, Just the top was dented, If I had not made
a sharp turn that raised the right wing maybe I could have missed that
goose, but on the other hand there were many more to contend with. Felt
sorry for that poor bird.
Pieti Lowell
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My brother was flying under a flock of birds and when he got directly under the
flock for some reason the birds dove down, their instincts were to get away from
the predators, he got hit buy 3 birds from the top. Lesson one:Stay away from
flying things.
Pieti Lowell
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Glad you were not hurt. A bird strike is one scary event.
Took a bird through the front canopy of a T-34C one night at about 9500' AGL about
100 miles North of Corpus Christi, TX. It sounded like a shotgun went off
over my head. we got down okay and landed with a huge hole right in front of my
face (the student was under the hood in the back seat doing an instrument hop).
When the student asked me why the bird was out flying at night, I told him
that I guess the bird was out getting his night minimums. :0)
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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Subject: | Re: Aileron cable quick disconnect |
Raymond,
I like your disconnect design. Drilling out the stainless tubing sounds
like quite a chore. With regard to eliminating the upper cable turnbuckle,
are you worried about a possible future need to adjust as the plane ages?
I guess you could simply make up shorter links. Also, where did you
locate your disconnect?
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, skellytown flyer <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>wrote:
> skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
>
> I made sets of plates like the connecting link on a bicycle chain. used
> 3/16" diameter clevis pins and cotter pins through them. actually went to
> the trouble of drilling out 1/4" stainless tubing and cutting short sleeves
> to eliminate any wear on the pins and they were long enough to keep the
> side plates from being tight against the cable thimbles.I made them to a
> length that allowed me to eliminate the turnbuckle on the upper aileron
> cable- after crimping the nico's/ that way I got it close enough to hold
> them level with the trailing edges of the wings.didn't save much weight but
> I am a tightwad. Raymond
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359585#359585
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