---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 11/28/11: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:42 AM - Re: Leading edge attachment (gliderx5@comcast.net) 2. 03:58 AM - Re: Leading edge attachment (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 04:30 AM - Re: Leading edge attachment (Jim Markle) 4. 04:43 AM - Re: Leading edge attachment (Gboothe5) 5. 05:13 AM - Re: Leading edge attachment (womenfly2) 6. 06:05 AM - Aileron cable quick disconnect (Greg Bacon) 7. 06:25 AM - Re: Aileron cable quick disconnect (Jack Phillips) 8. 06:35 AM - Re: Aileron cable quick disconnect (Jack Phillips) 9. 06:51 AM - Re: Aileron cable quick disconnect (Jeff Wilson) 10. 07:46 AM - bird strike (Timothy Willis) 11. 07:53 AM - Re: members in the news (dog67@aol.com) 12. 07:57 AM - Re: bird strike (CozyGirrrl@aol.com) 13. 08:43 AM - Re: Leading edge attachment (Michael Perez) 14. 08:49 AM - Re: Aileron cable quick disconnect (Greg Bacon) 15. 04:21 PM - Re: Aileron cable quick disconnect (skellytown flyer) 16. 05:51 PM - Re: Pietenpol Mid Air (Jason Holmes) 17. 05:53 PM - Re: bird strike (Pieti Lowell) 18. 06:23 PM - Re: bird strike (jarheadpilot82) 19. 08:38 PM - Re: Re: Aileron cable quick disconnect (Greg Bacon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:59 AM PST US From: gliderx5@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge attachment Tom I used epoxy alone. Also epoxied the LE sheeting to the LE and ribs. I believe it is strong enough, but I have not finished or flow the airplane yet. Malcolm Morrison ----- Original Message ----- From: tdudley@umn.edu Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 9:00:38 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge attachment Forgive me in advance if the question doesn't have much merit, but I was wondering if the leading edge could be attached with epoxy alone or is it necessary to use the 8-32 machine bolts? Thanks, Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359508#359508 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:58:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge attachment From: helspersew@aol.com Tom, Your question has as much merit as any other. I used the 8-32 machine screw s. I would like to hear if any flying Piets only used the glue. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: tdudley Sent: Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:03 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge attachment Forgive me in advance if the question doesn't have much merit, but I was ondering if the leading edge could be attached with epoxy alone or is it ecessary to use the 8-32 machine bolts? Thanks, Tom ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359508#359508 - -= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- -= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) - -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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I'm hoping it's not an issue since I also recessed the 1/16" ply "down into" the leading edge material. That and the fabric wrapped around the LE should keep it from falling off.... JM -----Original Message----- From: helspersew@aol.com Sent: Nov 28, 2011 6:56 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge attachment Tom, Your question has as much merit as any other. I used the 8-32 machine screws. I would like to hear if any flying Piets only used the glue. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: tdudley Sent: Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:03 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge attachment Forgive me in advance if the question doesn't have much merit, but I was wondering if the leading edge could be attached with epoxy alone or is it necessary to use the 8-32 machine bolts? Thanks, Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359508#359508 _blank>www.aeroelectric.com /" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:01 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge attachment Dadoed leading edge with recess for plywood..all epoxied. Gary from Cool From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:56 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge attachment Tom, Your question has as much merit as any other. I used the 8-32 machine screws. I would like to hear if any flying Piets only used the glue. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: tdudley Sent: Sun, Nov 27, 2011 8:03 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge attachment Forgive me in advance if the question doesn't have much merit, but I was wondering if the leading edge could be attached with epoxy alone or is it necessary to use the 8-32 machine bolts? Thanks, Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359508#359508 _blank>www.aeroelectric.com /" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:19 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Leading edge attachment From: "womenfly2" Used T-88 with No: 8 Sheet Metal screws into nose web of rib, with drilled hole. T-88 is strong alone, reason I used screws was to fixture Leading-edge in place and acting as a clamp until T-88 cured. -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359537#359537 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron cable quick disconnect From: Greg Bacon Does anyone have close-up photos of a simple aileron cable quick disconnect or product info for an off-the-shelf item? >From westcoastpiet.com photos, I see Jack Phillips used disconnects, but I can't make out enough detail. I think Corky may have used them as well. For future reference, the purpose for the disconnects is to avoid having to disassemble the center section pulleys in the event wings are removed. Thanks. -- Greg Bacon Prairie Home, MO ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:14 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aileron cable quick disconnect I just used turnbuckles and shackles in the wings. Pain in the butt to disconnect and connect, but not something you do every day, and certainly better than cutting the cables. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Bacon Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 9:02 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron cable quick disconnect Does anyone have close-up photos of a simple aileron cable quick disconnect or product info for an off-the-shelf item? >From westcoastpiet.com photos, I see Jack Phillips used disconnects, but I can't make out enough detail. I think Corky may have used them as well. For future reference, the purpose for the disconnects is to avoid having to disassemble the center section pulleys in the event wings are removed. Thanks. -- Greg Bacon Prairie Home, MO ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:51 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aileron cable quick disconnect Darn, forgot to attach the picture. I just used turnbuckles and shackles, as shown in the picture below: If you look to the left and right of the centersection, you can see the aileron cables and the turnbuckles and shackles. These are accessible through inspection ports on the bottom of the wings. I also used quick disconnect fittings for the pitot and static lines, made by Colder Products. http://www.colder.com/Tabid/72/MaterialID/1/cID/1/sID/7/Products.aspx Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Bacon Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 9:02 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron cable quick disconnect Does anyone have close-up photos of a simple aileron cable quick disconnect or product info for an off-the-shelf item? >From westcoastpiet.com photos, I see Jack Phillips used disconnects, but I can't make out enough detail. I think Corky may have used them as well. For future reference, the purpose for the disconnects is to avoid having to disassemble the center section pulleys in the event wings are removed. Thanks. -- Greg Bacon Prairie Home, MO ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:45 AM PST US From: Jeff Wilson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron cable quick disconnect We just use a simple little "shackle". Cable from cockpit goes beyond center section into wing. Then between root rib and next rib cable meets cable fro m the aileron. Connect there with the shackle and provide inspection hole be low junction. Turnbuckle for tension adjustment is on lower aileron horn for easy access. Jeff Wilson St. Louis, MO Sent from my iPhone On Nov 28, 2011, at 8:02 AM, Greg Bacon wrote: > Does anyone have close-up photos of a simple aileron cable quick disconnec t or product info for an off-the-shelf item? > > =46rom westcoastpiet.com photos, I see Jack Phillips used disconnects, but I can't make out enough detail. I think Corky may have used them as well. > > For future reference, the purpose for the disconnects is to avoid having t o disassemble the center section pulleys in the event wings are removed. > > Thanks. > > -- > Greg Bacon > Prairie Home, MO > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: bird strike From: Timothy Willis Lowell, Glad you are OK and the Piet only lightly damaged. That would increase the pucker factor. Imagining a truly head-on strike, nose-to-beak is terrible. Sounds like you did all the right things. regards, Tim in central TX do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: members in the news From: dog67@aol.com http://www.ourcoloradonews.com/castlerock/news/parker-doctor-rushed-in-afte r-reno-air-crash/article_b182b832-fb5e-54fa-b541-50ece447f160.html ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:01 AM PST US From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: bird strike If you and the bird were on the same heading would you have to dive in order to strike the bird? Chrissi & Randi _www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/) CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop In a message dated 11/28/2011 9:47:38 A.M. Central Standard Time, timwillis01@gmail.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Timothy Willis Lowell, Glad you are OK and the Piet only lightly damaged. That would increase the pucker factor. Imagining a truly head-on strike, nose-to-beak is terrible. Sounds like you did all the right things. regards, Tim in central TX do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:53 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge attachment My plywood IS the leading edge...all attached with T-88. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron cable quick disconnect From: Greg Bacon Thanks Jack and Jeff. This helps. Greg Bacon On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Jeff Wilson wrote: > We just use a simple little "shackle". Cable from cockpit goes beyond > center section into wing. Then between root rib and next rib cable meets > cable from the aileron. Connect there with the shackle and provide > inspection hole below junction. > Turnbuckle for tension adjustment is on lower aileron horn for easy access. > > Jeff Wilson > St. Louis, MO > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 28, 2011, at 8:02 AM, Greg Bacon wrote: > > Does anyone have close-up photos of a simple aileron cable quick > disconnect or product info for an off-the-shelf item? > > From westcoastpiet.com photos, I see Jack > Phillips used disconnects, but I can't make out enough detail. I think > Corky may have used them as well. > > For future reference, the purpose for the disconnects is to avoid having > to disassemble the center section pulleys in the event wings are removed. > > Thanks. > > -- > Greg Bacon > Prairie Home, MO > > > * > > ===================================http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > >www.buildersbooks.com > "http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ================================== > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ===================================ums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > ===================================http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ================================== > * > > * > > * > > -- Greg Bacon ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:21:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron cable quick disconnect From: "skellytown flyer" I made sets of plates like the connecting link on a bicycle chain. used 3/16" diameter clevis pins and cotter pins through them. actually went to the trouble of drilling out 1/4" stainless tubing and cutting short sleeves to eliminate any wear on the pins and they were long enough to keep the side plates from being tight against the cable thimbles.I made them to a length that allowed me to eliminate the turnbuckle on the upper aileron cable- after crimping the nico's/ that way I got it close enough to hold them level with the trailing edges of the wings.didn't save much weight but I am a tightwad. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359585#359585 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:16 PM PST US From: "Jason Holmes" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Mid Air I just remembered reading a news story somewhere that the FAA has a reporting website for bird strikes as they are trying to gather data. It is: http://wildlife-mitigation.tc.faa.gov/wildlife/default.aspx -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pieti Lowell Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Mid Air --> Today was not the most enjoyable cool flight, Thought I would put a few hours on the Old Ford, with heat from the radiator and a warm outfit. I was traveling North, And all of a sudden a flock of Canadian Geese came out of nowhere on a South path, I eased a slight left course to avoid the flock and they decided to try a right quick turn.In order to avoid I did a snap to the left, heard a loud bang, Something snapped, maybe a cable or wood structure, didn't feel anything except a sharp jolt, I leveled and tried to see anything that might be a serious problem. I Did a 180 and a long long nerve racking flight back to the Airport, NO vibrating or odd noises were detectable, taxied up to the hanger chopped the Ford and took a look around. Nothing, tail feathers OK, Cables OK, Prop, OK, Wings looked OK.I parked her in the Hanger and during the gas refueling, the Right Wing Tip had a streak of red, running four and aft, Close inspection revealed a broken end rib between the spars, Just the top was dented, If I had not made a sharp turn that raised the right wing maybe I could have missed that goose, but on the other hand there were many more to contend with. Felt sorry for that poor bird. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359520#359520 ====== Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.18750) http://www.pctools.com/ ====== ====== Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.18750) http://www.pctools.com/ ====== ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: bird strike From: "Pieti Lowell" My brother was flying under a flock of birds and when he got directly under the flock for some reason the birds dove down, their instincts were to get away from the predators, he got hit buy 3 birds from the top. Lesson one:Stay away from flying things. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359604#359604 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: bird strike From: "jarheadpilot82" Glad you were not hurt. A bird strike is one scary event. Took a bird through the front canopy of a T-34C one night at about 9500' AGL about 100 miles North of Corpus Christi, TX. It sounded like a shotgun went off over my head. we got down okay and landed with a huge hole right in front of my face (the student was under the hood in the back seat doing an instrument hop). When the student asked me why the bird was out flying at night, I told him that I guess the bird was out getting his night minimums. :0) -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359609#359609 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:54 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron cable quick disconnect From: Greg Bacon Raymond, I like your disconnect design. Drilling out the stainless tubing sounds like quite a chore. With regard to eliminating the upper cable turnbuckle, are you worried about a possible future need to adjust as the plane ages? I guess you could simply make up shorter links. Also, where did you locate your disconnect? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, skellytown flyer wrote: > skellflyer1@yahoo.com> > > I made sets of plates like the connecting link on a bicycle chain. used > 3/16" diameter clevis pins and cotter pins through them. actually went to > the trouble of drilling out 1/4" stainless tubing and cutting short sleeves > to eliminate any wear on the pins and they were long enough to keep the > side plates from being tight against the cable thimbles.I made them to a > length that allowed me to eliminate the turnbuckle on the upper aileron > cable- after crimping the nico's/ that way I got it close enough to hold > them level with the trailing edges of the wings.didn't save much weight but > I am a tightwad. Raymond > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359585#359585 > > -- Greg Bacon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.