---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/07/11: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:21 AM - GN-1 PROJECT FOR SALE (Dan Gaston) 2. 09:02 AM - A-65 exhaust gasket (Oscar Zuniga) 3. 09:32 AM - Re: A-65 exhaust gasket (Dan Yocum) 4. 10:23 AM - Re: A-65 exhaust gasket (Andrew Eldredge) 5. 10:38 AM - Was A-65 exhaust gasket, now brass exhaust nuts (helspersew@aol.com) 6. 10:53 AM - Re: A-65 exhaust gasket (Dan Yocum) 7. 10:56 AM - Re: Was A-65 exhaust gasket, now brass exhaust nuts (Dan Yocum) 8. 01:59 PM - Re: Was A-65 exhaust gasket, now brass exhaust nuts (Andrew Eldredge) 9. 03:16 PM - Re: Was A-65 exhaust gasket, now brass exhaust nuts (Ryan Mueller) 10. 03:39 PM - Re: Was A-65 exhaust gasket, now brass exhaust nuts (helspersew@aol.com) 11. 04:08 PM - Re: Was A-65 exhaust gasket, now brass exhaust nuts (Andrew Eldredge) 12. 05:43 PM - Re: Was A-65 exhaust gasket, now brass exhaust nuts (Jack) 13. 06:06 PM - Re: Was A-65 exhaust gasket, now brass exhaust nuts (Jack Phillips) 14. 07:29 PM - Re: Was A-65 exhaust gasket, now brass exhaust nuts (Ryan Mueller) 15. 07:31 PM - Re: Was A-65 exhaust gasket, now brass exhaust nuts (Ryan Mueller) 16. 09:20 PM - A new Piet takes to the air (Bill Church) 17. 10:13 PM - Matronics Web Services Restored! (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:55 AM PST US From: Dan Gaston Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 PROJECT FOR SALE I have a GN-1 project for sale. Complete rib set built, tail feathers built, fuselage sides built. All wood necessary to complete, including spars. All wood came from Aircraft Spruce. Laser cut 4130 fittings. Continental A-65-8 with carb, mags,hub,and logs, on engine stand. For details and pictures, just e-mail me. I would prefer not to part this out. $4,000.00 for all. I am located in Norwalk, ohio. This is the last time I'll post this here, I'm sure you're all getting tired of seeing it.Thank you, Dan Gaston. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:54 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 exhaust gasket >From my A&P: >It doesn't matter. Place the gasket in the nearest trash container >and buy the good gaskets. Then you don't have to ask the question. >Those cheap stamped gaskets and the good RAPCO exhaust gaskets >both cost $1.25 ea at Aircraft Spuce. Buy the good ones. >I won't use the others. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford, OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:32:23 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 exhaust gasket I stand corrected. Per the installation guide printed at ACS for the blo-proof gaskets currently being discussed: "2 gaskets used per cylinder, with raised beads interlocked facing the exhaust stack flange..." http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/airbornesolidcopperbloproofgaskets.php And the RAPCO gasket Oscar's A&P recommends: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/rapcoexhaustgas.php The reason I didn't buy the spiral wound RAPCO gasket is because I would have had to trim it for one of the bolts to fit, and I was lazy. Note to self - check the exhaust gaskets for leaks next time I go flying... On 12/07/2011 11:00 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga > > >> From my A&P: > >> It doesn't matter. Place the gasket in the nearest trash container >> and buy the good gaskets. Then you don't have to ask the question. >> Those cheap stamped gaskets and the good RAPCO exhaust gaskets >> both cost $1.25 ea at Aircraft Spuce. Buy the good ones. >> I won't use the others. > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 exhaust gasket From: Andrew Eldredge This discussion has inspired me to look for the installation guide for the parts I bought... http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pdf/GasketInsert.pdf It mentions two per cylinder may be used if desired, and that they should be re-torqued after a hot run. That seems like a good idea. I didn't buy enough of them to use two per cylinder, Speaking of exhaust leaks, I'm no fan of CO poisoning, and it would be a poor habit to develop to be permissive in this regard, but with the open cockpit, and the cylinder heads in the breeze rather than under a cowling, Is there much difference between exhaust leaking out at the head vs. at the end of the pipe a foot away give or take? I suppose another issue may be heating components near the head. What are the other risks? Andrew On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > I stand corrected. Per the installation guide printed at ACS for the > blo-proof gaskets currently being discussed: > > "2 gaskets used per cylinder, with raised beads interlocked facing the > exhaust stack flange..." > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/**catalog/eppages/** > airbornesolidcopperbloproofgas**kets.php > > And the RAPCO gasket Oscar's A&P recommends: > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/**catalog/eppages/**rapcoexhaustgas.php > > The reason I didn't buy the spiral wound RAPCO gasket is because I would > have had to trim it for one of the bolts to fit, and I was lazy. > > Note to self - check the exhaust gaskets for leaks next time I go flying... > > > On 12/07/2011 11:00 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga> > >> >> >> From my A&P: >>> >> >> It doesn't matter. Place the gasket in the nearest trash container >>> and buy the good gaskets. Then you don't have to ask the question. >>> Those cheap stamped gaskets and the good RAPCO exhaust gaskets >>> both cost $1.25 ea at Aircraft Spuce. Buy the good ones. >>> I won't use the others. >>> >> >> > > -- Andrew Eldredge Provo, UT ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:38:59 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Was A-65 exhaust gasket, now brass exhaust nuts From: helspersew@aol.com Speaking of exhaust gaskets: I have lost, on more than one occasion, some of those brass exhaust hold-on nuts. Is there any kind of goo that can be put on those threads to keep th ose nuts on there in that very hot location? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:04 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 exhaust gasket The issue is if there is a leak at the exhaust/engine union, the hot exhaust gases could eat through the aluminum engine block and that would be no fun to fix. Dan On 12/07/2011 12:20 PM, Andrew Eldredge wrote: > This discussion has inspired me to look for the installation guide for > the parts I bought... > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pdf/GasketInsert.pdf > > It mentions two per cylinder may be used if desired, and that they > should be re-torqued after a hot run. That seems like a good idea. I > didn't buy enough of them to use two per cylinder, > > Speaking of exhaust leaks, I'm no fan of CO poisoning, and it would be > a poor habit to develop to be permissive in this regard, but with the > open cockpit, and the cylinder heads in the breeze rather than under a > cowling, Is there much difference between exhaust leaking out at the > head vs. at the end of the pipe a foot away give or take? > > I suppose another issue may be heating components near the head. What > are the other risks? > > Andrew > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:08 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Was A-65 exhaust gasket, now brass exhaust nuts On 12/07/2011 12:36 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > > Speaking of exhaust gaskets: > I have lost, on more than one occasion, some of those brass exhaust > hold-on nuts. Is there any kind of goo that can be put on those > threads to keep those nuts on there in that very hot location? > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN Wait. What? Those nuts are supposed to be self tightening since the rate of expansion of the brass is different (greater) than steel. Did you torque them correctly? I think the studs on my exhaust bolts have holes in them, so I could use safety wire. And I bet a little gob of red RTV stuck in the threads wouldn't hurt and it would still come off pretty easily should I need to take the pipes off. Dan ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:59:30 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Was A-65 exhaust gasket, now brass exhaust nuts From: Andrew Eldredge In my case, I ordered a new stud, which was brass as well. As the stud expands faster than the steel, it would loosen. I suppose the idea then, is to torque them down while they're hot, then they will tighten as they cool. Wikipedia has the coefficients at 19e-6 and 10.8e-6 for brass and steel, respectively, Nearly a factor of 2. I'm glad we started talking about this. Fresno Airparts sent me more studs than I asked for instead of the A-65 manual I asked for. I'm glad we had this discussion. Andrew On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > > On 12/07/2011 12:36 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > >> >> Speaking of exhaust gaskets: >> I have lost, on more than one occasion, some of those brass exhaust >> hold-on nuts. Is there any kind of goo that can be put on those >> threads to keep those nuts on there in that very hot location? >> Dan Helsper >> Puryear, TN >> > > Wait. What? Those nuts are supposed to be self tightening since the rate > of expansion of the brass is different (greater) than steel. Did you > torque them correctly? > > I think the studs on my exhaust bolts have holes in them, so I could use > safety wire. And I bet a little gob of red RTV stuck in the threads > wouldn't hurt and it would still come off pretty easily should I need to > take the pipes off. > > Dan > > -- Andrew Eldredge Provo, UT ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:16:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Was A-65 exhaust gasket, now brass exhaust nuts From: Ryan Mueller The exhaust studs are not brass... On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Andrew Eldredge wrote: > In my case, I ordered a new stud, which was brass as well. As the stud > expands faster than the steel, it would loosen. I suppose the idea then, > is to torque them down while they're hot, then they will tighten as they > cool. Wikipedia has the coefficients at 19e-6 and 10.8e-6 for brass and > steel, respectively, Nearly a factor of 2. I'm glad we started talking > about this. > > Fresno Airparts sent me more studs than I asked for instead of the A-65 > manual I asked for. I'm glad we had this discussion. > > Andrew > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Dan Yocum wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> On 12/07/2011 12:36 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: >> >>> >>> Speaking of exhaust gaskets: >>> I have lost, on more than one occasion, some of those brass exhaust >>> hold-on nuts. Is there any kind of goo that can be put on those >>> threads to keep those nuts on there in that very hot location? >>> Dan Helsper >>> Puryear, TN >>> >> >> Wait. What? Those nuts are supposed to be self tightening since the >> rate of expansion of the brass is different (greater) than steel. Did you >> torque them correctly? >> >> I think the studs on my exhaust bolts have holes in them, so I could use >> safety wire. And I bet a little gob of red RTV stuck in the threads >> wouldn't hurt and it would still come off pretty easily should I need to >> take the pipes off. >> >> Dan >> >> >> >> ====**==============================**= >> om" target="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com >> ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >> et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/**contribution >> le, List Admin. >> ====**==============================**= >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/**Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ====**==============================**= >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ====**==============================**= >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/**contribution >> ====**==============================**= >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Andrew Eldredge > Provo, UT > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Was A-65 exhaust gasket, now brass exhaust nuts From: helspersew@aol.com Well, I thought I did. Dan, I didn't think about the different expansion ra tes as a method of security. I will make sure in the future. Also, I'll put on a bit-o-rtv just for good luck. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Dan Yocum Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 12:56 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Was A-65 exhaust gasket, now brass exhaust nut s On 12/07/2011 12:36 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: Speaking of exhaust gaskets: I have lost, on more than one occasion, some of those brass exhaust hold-on nuts. Is there any kind of goo that can be put on those threads to keep those nuts on there in that very hot location? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN Wait. What? Those nuts are supposed to be self tightening since the ate of expansion of the brass is different (greater) than steel. Did ou torque them correctly? I think the studs on my exhaust bolts have holes in them, so I could use afety wire. And I bet a little gob of red RTV stuck in the threads ouldn't hurt and it would still come off pretty easily should I need to ake the pipes off. Dan -======================== - -= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- -= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) - -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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I was suprised by this, as none of the existing studs look like that. I figured it was ignorance on my part. I'm sure there is something to this that I don't know still.. On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:37 PM, wrote: > Well, I thought I did. Dan, I didn't think about the different expansion > rates as a method of security. I will make sure in the future. Also, I'll > put on a bit-o-rtv just for good luck. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Yocum > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 12:56 pm > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Was A-65 exhaust gasket, now brass exhaust > nuts > > > > On 12/07/2011 12:36 PM, helspersew@aol.com > wrote: > > > > Speaking of exhaust gaskets: > > I have lost, on more than one occasion, some of those brass exhaust > > hold-on nuts. Is there any kind of goo that can be put on those > > threads to keep those nuts on there in that very hot location? > > Dan Helsper > > Puryear, TN > > Wait. What? Those nuts are supposed to be self tightening since the > rate of expansion of the brass is different (greater) than steel. Did > you torque them correctly? > > I think the studs on my exhaust bolts have holes in them, so I could use > safety wire. And I bet a little gob of red RTV stuck in the threads > wouldn't hurt and it would still come off pretty easily should I need to > take the pipes off. > > Dan > > > _blank>www.aeroelectric.com > /" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com > =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > p://forums.matronics.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > * > > * > > -- Andrew Eldredge Provo, UT ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:12 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Was A-65 exhaust gasket, now brass exhaust nuts You don't suppose they sent you the 18K gold ones in error? Jack DSM NX1929T DO NOT ARCHIVE _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Eldredge Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 6:06 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Was A-65 exhaust gasket, now brass exhaust nuts The replacement Studs I have have the appearance of brass. I was suprised by this, as none of the existing studs look like that. I figured it was ignorance on my part. I'm sure there is something to this that I don't know still.. On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:37 PM, wrote: Well, I thought I did. Dan, I didn't think about the different expansion rates as a method of security. I will make sure in the future. Also, I'll put on a bit-o-rtv just for good luck. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Dan Yocum Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 12:56 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Was A-65 exhaust gasket, now brass exhaust nuts On 12/07/2011 12:36 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > > Speaking of exhaust gaskets: > I have lost, on more than one occasion, some of those brass exhaust > hold-on nuts. Is there any kind of goo that can be put on those > threads to keep those nuts on there in that very hot location? > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN Wait. What? Those nuts are supposed to be self tightening since the rate of expansion of the brass is different (greater) than steel. Did you torque them correctly? I think the studs on my exhaust bolts have holes in them, so I could use safety wire. And I bet a little gob of red RTV stuck in the threads wouldn't hurt and it would still come off pretty easily should I need to take the pipes off. 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Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Eldredge Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Was A-65 exhaust gasket, now brass exhaust nuts The replacement Studs I have have the appearance of brass. I was suprised by this, as none of the existing studs look like that. I figured it was ignorance on my part. I'm sure there is something to this that I don't know still.. On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:37 PM, wrote: Well, I thought I did. Dan, I didn't think about the different expansion rates as a method of security. I will make sure in the future. Also, I'll put on a bit-o-rtv just for good luck. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Dan Yocum Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 12:56 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Was A-65 exhaust gasket, now brass exhaust nuts On 12/07/2011 12:36 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > > Speaking of exhaust gaskets: > I have lost, on more than one occasion, some of those brass exhaust > hold-on nuts. Is there any kind of goo that can be put on those > threads to keep those nuts on there in that very hot location? > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN Wait. What? Those nuts are supposed to be self tightening since the rate of expansion of the brass is different (greater) than steel. Did you torque them correctly? I think the studs on my exhaust bolts have holes in them, so I could use safety wire. And I bet a little gob of red RTV stuck in the threads wouldn't hurt and it would still come off pretty easily should I need to take the pipes off. 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Usually... :P do not archive On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Jack Phillips wrote : > ** ** ** > > Perhaps they are cadmium plated, which has a golden color. They=92d bett er > be steel. Are they magnetic?**** > > ** ** > > Jack Phillips**** > > NX899JP**** > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia**** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Andrew Eldredge > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 07, 2011 7:06 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Was A-65 exhaust gasket, now brass exhaust > nuts**** > > ** ** > > The replacement Studs I have have the appearance of brass. I was suprise d > by this, as none of the existing studs look like that. I figured it was > ignorance on my part. I'm sure there is something to this that I don't > know still..**** > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:37 PM, wrote:**** > > Well, I thought I did. Dan, I didn't think about the different expansion > rates as a method of security. I will make sure in the future. Also, I'll > put on a bit-o-rtv just for good luck.**** > > **** > > Dan Helsper**** > > ****Puryear**, **TN******** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Yocum > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 12:56 pm > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Was A-65 exhaust gasket, now brass exhaust > nuts**** > > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On 12/07/2011 12:36 PM, helspersew@aol.com**** > > wrote:**** > > >** ** > > > Speaking of exhaust gaskets:**** > > > I have lost, on more than one occasion, some of those brass exhaust **** > > > hold-on nuts. Is there any kind of goo that can be put on those**** > > > threads to keep those nuts on there in that very hot location?**** > > > Dan Helsper**** > > > ****Puryear**, **TN******** > > ** ** > > Wait. What? Those nuts are supposed to be self tightening since the *** * > > rate of expansion of the brass is different (greater) than steel. Did ** ** > > you torque them correctly?**** > > ** ** > > I think the studs on my exhaust bolts have holes in them, so I could use **** > > safety wire. And I bet a little gob of red RTV stuck in the threads **** > > wouldn't hurt and it would still come off pretty easily should I need to **** > > take the pipes off.**** > > ** ** > > Dan**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > _blank>www.aeroelectric.com**** > > /" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com**** > > =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com**** > > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution**** > > " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List**** > > p://forums.matronics.com**** > > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > * * > > * * > > *_blank">www.aeroelectric.com* > > *.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com* > > *="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com* > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > *" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > *tp://forums.matronics.com* > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > > -- > Andrew Eldredge > ****Provo**, **UT******** > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *www.buildersbooks.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Was A-65 exhaust gasket, now brass exhaust nuts From: Ryan Mueller As an aside, I'm not just pissing in the wind in the way that Ken Heide assuredly hates ;) I spent some time in an engine shop reworking cylinders....they are not brass. :) Ryan do not archive On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > They ain't brass, that's for sure. But to tell, I would suggest a cow > magnet. :P > > My Dad has had one on the side of the toolbox for years.....not good for > much beyond, well, magneting a cow. Usually... :P > > do not archive > > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Jack Phillips wro te: > >> ** ** ** >> >> Perhaps they are cadmium plated, which has a golden color. They=92d bet ter >> be steel. Are they magnetic?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Jack Phillips**** >> >> NX899JP**** >> >> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia**** >> >> ** ** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: >> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Andrew Eldredg e >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 07, 2011 7:06 PM >> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Was A-65 exhaust gasket, now brass >> exhaust nuts**** >> >> ** ** >> >> The replacement Studs I have have the appearance of brass. I was >> suprised by this, as none of the existing studs look like that. I figur ed >> it was ignorance on my part. I'm sure there is something to this that I >> don't know still..**** >> >> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:37 PM, wrote:**** >> >> Well, I thought I did. Dan, I didn't think about the different expansion >> rates as a method of security. I will make sure in the future. Also, I'l l >> put on a bit-o-rtv just for good luck.**** >> >> **** >> >> Dan Helsper**** >> >> ****Puryear**, **TN******** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dan Yocum >> To: pietenpol-list >> Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 12:56 pm >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Was A-65 exhaust gasket, now brass exhaust >> nuts**** >> >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> On 12/07/2011 12:36 PM, helspersew@aol.com**** >> >> wrote:**** >> >> >** ** >> >> > Speaking of exhaust gaskets:**** >> >> > I have lost, on more than one occasion, some of those brass exhaus t**** >> >> > hold-on nuts. Is there any kind of goo that can be put on those*** * >> >> > threads to keep those nuts on there in that very hot location?**** >> >> > Dan Helsper**** >> >> > ****Puryear**, **TN******** >> >> ** ** >> >> Wait. What? Those nuts are supposed to be self tightening since the ** ** >> >> rate of expansion of the brass is different (greater) than steel. Did * *** >> >> you torque them correctly?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I think the studs on my exhaust bolts have holes in them, so I could use **** >> >> safety wire. And I bet a little gob of red RTV stuck in the threads *** * >> >> wouldn't hurt and it would still come off pretty easily should I need to **** >> >> take the pipes off.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Dan**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> _blank>www.aeroelectric.com**** >> >> /" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com**** >> >> =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com**** >> >> blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution**** >> >> " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List**** >> >> p://forums.matronics.com**** >> >> blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> * * >> >> * * >> >> *_blank">www.aeroelectric.com* >> >> *.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com* >> >> *="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com* >> >> *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >> >> *" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* >> >> *tp://forums.matronics.com* >> >> *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >> >> * * >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Andrew Eldredge >> ****Provo**, **UT******** >> >> * * >> >> * * >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *www.buildersbooks.com* >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://forums.matronics.com* >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >> >> * * >> >> * >> =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== >> * >> >> > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:34 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: A new Piet takes to the air From: "Bill Church" Glad to see the Forum back up and running, after being out of service for about 5 days. Just found a series of new video clips (filmed just last week) showing Don Sweeney's new Funk powered Piet. Sounds pretty cool, and looks pretty darn nice. The sound of a Model A without the radiator in the face. There are about 19 videos altogether, but here are a few (start-up and take-off and a nice landing on the grass) http://youtu.be/o_SpsHHHvHM http://youtu.be/6BjV4CmAndg http://youtu.be/iJ-kSLzOInU Well done, Don! Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360362#360362 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:48 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Matronics Web Services Restored! Dear Listers, I'm extremely happy to report that as of about 9pm PST 12/7, all of the Matronics web services have been fully restored including the Web Forums, List Browse, Archive Search, Wiki, and AeroElectric web sites. 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