Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Sat 12/10/11


Total Messages Posted: 6



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 06:33 AM - Re: Pietenpol Tail Aerodynamics (Michael Perez)
     2. 06:55 AM - Re: Re: Work table thoughts, and rib jig done! (Michael Perez)
     3. 02:49 PM - Re: A new Piet takes to the air (Pieti Lowell)
     4. 03:46 PM - magnets (JOSEPH SWITHIN)
     5. 04:17 PM - Re: magnets (Gboothe5)
     6. 09:12 PM - tail incidence, gap seals, and hangar friends (Oscar Zuniga)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:33:29 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol Tail Aerodynamics
    Crew, before this gets too far out of hand...I see my lame attempt for some backwards humor has failed, so my apologies to the list. Rather then muddy up the original post, I started this new thread. (I figured it couldn't hurt with the Ken and cow thread already out there.) Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 06:55:40 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Work table thoughts, and rib jig done!
    An alternative: - I made this bench entirely of 3/4" plywood. As you can see, the main frame - contains storage shelves which also make it strong and sturdy. Each "wi ng" is hinged to the frame with piano hinge and supported with removable le gs.-Castors allow mobility and these particular ones lock.-Both wings f old down to cover both sides of the main frame, they are held in place with magnetic catches....you can latch/lock them in this position for security. Best part...it stores nicely up against a wall or in a corner. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 02:49:59 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: A new Piet takes to the air
    From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
    Don: The videos are great, how many years did it take to get it in the air and what were some of the stumbling blocks. just for the reader's knowledge. She is a beauty, and fast, Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360645#360645


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    Time: 03:46:07 PM PST US
    From: JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin@yahoo.com>
    Subject: magnets
    Sorry I can not resist Gary and Vic, but is that why milk and beef are sources of iron? Do Not Archive Joe in Morris


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    Time: 04:17:22 PM PST US
    From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: magnets
    Could be. Might also explain why certain cows are attracted to one another.. Do not archive!!! From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOSEPH SWITHIN Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 3:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: magnets Sorry I can not resist Gary and Vic, but is that why milk and beef are sources of iron? Do Not Archive Joe in Morris


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    Time: 09:12:34 PM PST US
    From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: tail incidence, gap seals, and hangar friends
    This post has nothing to do with tail incidence and gap seals except to say that if you build an Air Camper to the plans and know how to fly stick and rudder, you will never know or care much about tail incidence, gap seals, symmetrical airfoils, or V-tail Bonanazas. You will fly the airplane and love it! Don't over-think the tailplane geometry, symmetry, aerodynamics, or any of it. Build to plans and you can tinker with that stuff (like Jack has) later. I have flown Scout from both cockpits. I prefer flying it from the rear because there is more room there, it's easier to get in and out (although not by much, in my case), and as others have mentioned, the visibility is better there. From the rear cockpit you can see what the wing, ailerons, tail, and landing gear are doing as well. In the case of Scout, the rear cockpit is the only position that has a fuel shutoff valve, carb heat control, and brakes (if those matter to you). What I liked about flying from the front cockpit (dual, since my airplane cannot be soloed from the front cockpit and stay within posted W&B limits)- was the exhilarating sensation of having the prop and cooling eyebrows *right there* in front of me, and of being literally right over the landing gear and right under the wing. It was like driving a sports car, because in the front cockpit you are almost at the most magical focal point of where everything in the airplane is triangulated, and in fact you really are, at least as far as the four forces that act on the airplane (lift, gravity, thrust, and drag). It was fun, but not for long and relaxed flying. What I do enjoy is flying navigator position up in the front cockpit with my hangar mate Craig flying the airplane in back. Almost like back in the early days of flying. We hope to ferry the airplane from Texas to Oregon next spring in just that fashion... him flying the airplane, me up front with the GPS and maps, and my hands waving in the propwash, pointing the direction. Last of all, it was a great joy to see friend and Piet restorer John Kuhfahl today at the hangar as I was loading all of my tools and "junk" into the UHaul to move it back to Texas. John has been silent on the list for awhile, busy with family duties, but still looking forward to joining up on my wing one of these days when he gets his restoration completed and begins to understand why these airplanes not only hook us on the ground as we enjoy working with wood and fabric, but then we get to fall in love with flying all over again as they show us what real flying is all about. True, honest, and genuine stick and rudder aviation. If you learn to fly in these airplanes, you learn to FLY. Period. Merry Christmas, all y'all, and I'll be on Interstate 10 west to Phoenix and then the L.A. basin by Tuesday, then turning north on Interstate 5 and on up to Oregon and hopefully home by late Wednesday night. I'll be the 20 ft. UHaul van with a partially completed 1835 VW powered Flying Squirrel loaded on a vehicle transporter behind the van. The only one you'll see on the highway with that particular load. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford, OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net




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