Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Mon 12/12/11


Total Messages Posted: 27



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     1. 04:09 AM - Covering (Jack)
     2. 04:35 AM - Thanks for the help--archives--formation fly in spring (John Kuhfahl)
     3. 04:57 AM - Re: Re: magnets (Amsafetyc)
     4. 05:36 AM - Re: Covering (Gboothe5)
     5. 05:38 AM - Re: Covering (Jack Phillips)
     6. 06:28 AM - Re: Covering (Michael Perez)
     7. 06:41 AM - Operation Arrow Fest II (Michael Perez)
     8. 07:55 AM - Re: Operation Arrow Fest II (Jack Phillips)
     9. 08:17 AM - Re: Operation Arrow Fest II (Marvin Haught)
    10. 08:48 AM - Re: Operation Arrow Fest II (Michael Perez)
    11. 09:10 AM - Re: Re: magnets (Amsafetyc)
    12. 11:43 AM - Re: magnets (Bill Church)
    13. 12:01 PM - Re: Re: magnets (Gboothe5)
    14. 01:56 PM - Re: New Piet pilot. (tools)
    15. 02:25 PM - Re: Re: New Piet pilot. (Ken Bickers)
    16. 03:30 PM - Piet progress (John Kuhfahl)
    17. 03:33 PM - Re: Thanks for the help--archives--formation fly in spring (kevinpurtee)
    18. 03:41 PM - Re: One of the Best Flying Stories ever. (kevinpurtee)
    19. 05:19 PM - Aileron Cables rubbing on the fuselage frame... (aerocarjake)
    20. 05:46 PM - Re: One of the Best Flying Stories ever. (Jerry Dotson)
    21. 05:52 PM - Re: Covering (Jack)
    22. 06:09 PM - Re: Aileron Cables rubbing on the fuselage frame... (C N Campbell)
    23. 06:25 PM - Re: Aileron Cables rubbing on the fuselage frame... (aerocarjake)
    24. 06:26 PM - Re: Aileron Cables rubbing on the fuselage frame... (Jack Phillips)
    25. 06:40 PM - shamelwaa uas of the forum (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
    26. 07:22 PM - Buildapalooza suspended for medical intervention, great just great (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
    27. 09:23 PM - Re: Buildapalooza suspended for medical intervention, great just great (Gary Boothe)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:09:56 AM PST US
    From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
    Subject: Covering
    Good morning all, It's time to order covering supplies and with that I would appreciate your thoughts. I've searched the archives and pictures, thanks to many and Oscar for your posts on materials needed. It looks like many people used pinked finishing tape. Is that best? Also wondering if bias tape is worth the extra price. Flat or round thread? Any thoughts to help would be great. I'm planning on 1.7 oz material and water based products. Thanks, Jack NX1929T


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    Time: 04:35:57 AM PST US
    Subject: Thanks for the help--archives--formation fly in spring
    From: John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper@gmail.com>
    I'm the one restoring/improving a 1970's Piet. I am a self-admitted lurker--You guys and this list are the best...In the archives you taught me how to hook up my tail wheel. (it was not made steerable originally). I am definitely going with compression springs in my cable control. They run nicely through the large belly inspection plate I installed. Will try to get this guy back together by this spring to formation fly with Oscar Zungia before he brings his baby back to Oregon. -- John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), President, KUHLCOUPER LLC


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    Time: 04:57:27 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: magnets
    From: Amsafetyc <amsafetyc@aol.com>
    Have to agree they are mighty tasty the part about no rusting however does not support the basic premiss of preventing or clearing obstructions I suspect a non ferris blockage is as much a problem as a ferris material blockage so the rust theory doesn't work nor does the scavenge theory. I doubt it provides much assistance during oil change to determine levels of wear on internal parts during oil change. Another application that does not support the notion. So far Ryan has gotten to the the only plausible statement of fact " the magnet was stuck to the side of Dads tool box" Which I hope was made of steel or metal containing iron or we will have to throw that statement out also. Does anyone have anything to add that makes any sense at all? Please do not archive John Sent from my iPhone On Dec 11, 2011, at 7:10 PM, "flea" <jimgriggs@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Amsafetyc wrote: >> what remedy is there for non ferris metals consumption? > > Non-ferrous metals don't rust, therefore there is no problem with cows ingesting. . . Never mind, I don't know anything about cows. Except they taste mighty good, probably all the Aluminum and magnesium they eat. > > Jim. > > > Do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360713#360713 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 05:36:51 AM PST US
    From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Covering
    Jack, For the few curves that I have, I made my own bias pieces out of scraps. Mostly 2" pinked, some 3" pinked. Note that some 1.7 oz material does NOT come in wide enough rolls to cover one side of the wing. Best wishes, Gary from Cool NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 4:07 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering Good morning all, It's time to order covering supplies and with that I would appreciate your thoughts. I've searched the archives and pictures, thanks to many and Oscar for your posts on materials needed. It looks like many people used pinked finishing tape. Is that best? Also wondering if bias tape is worth the extra price. Flat or round thread? Any thoughts to help would be great. I'm planning on 1.7 oz material and water based products. Thanks, Jack NX1929T


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    Time: 05:38:23 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Covering
    Jack, Pinked edge tapes are much easier to keep from peeling up. You won't need much bias ply tape, but there are a few places wher it is helpful, such as going around the top of the vertical fin - no way you'll get regular tape to lay down properly there. You won't need much - just buy a small roll of 4" bias tape and that should be plenty. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 7:07 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering Good morning all, It's time to order covering supplies and with that I would appreciate your thoughts. I've searched the archives and pictures, thanks to many and Oscar for your posts on materials needed. It looks like many people used pinked finishing tape. Is that best? Also wondering if bias tape is worth the extra price. Flat or round thread? Any thoughts to help would be great. I'm planning on 1.7 oz material and water based products. Thanks, Jack NX1929T


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    Time: 06:28:13 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Covering
    Again, what a timely post! I am preparing to order some covering materials as well so I can start on the tail pieces.- Check out superflite.com- T hey sell 1.7 fabric- at 72" wide...great for our wings. If you are going with the Stewart's Ekobond, (I am) Aircraft Spruce sells i t...in case you will be placing an order with them anyway. Michael Perez =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 06:41:04 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Operation Arrow Fest II
    This week is my last at work until the 9th of January. During my vacation t ime, I will execute operation Arrow Fest II...my build-athon as last year. - This time I will focus on obtaining the materials needed for covering. My plan is to start with the tails pieces.-- I plan to use the 1.7 oz. fabric from superflite.com and the Stewart's ekobond. Not clear on finishin g tapes, anti-chafe tapes, type of tape edge, bias ply, widths, stitching c ord, needles, knots, stitch spacing, etc.- So any help in these areas wou ld be appreciated!- Stewart's website has the fabric covering manual whic h I will reference as needed. I may also continue to tinker with my fuel tank...that is proving to be a s low process, but it is coming along. Michael Perez =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 07:55:21 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Operation Arrow Fest II
    Michael, If I might make a suggestion, start with reading the ENTIRE covering manual, then read it again. The when you are ready to start covering, re-read the section pertaining to the part of the airframe you are covering. If the Stewart manual is as good as the PolyFiber manual, you should have no problems. I love fabric covering. To me, this is the very best part of the entire building process, where you take odd pieces of framework and turn them into parts of an airplane that can actually FLY. Good luck! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:39 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Operation Arrow Fest II This week is my last at work until the 9th of January. During my vacation time, I will execute operation Arrow Fest II...my build-athon as last year. This time I will focus on obtaining the materials needed for covering. My plan is to start with the tails pieces. I plan to use the 1.7 oz. fabric from superflite.com and the Stewart's ekobond. Not clear on finishing tapes, anti-chafe tapes, type of tape edge, bias ply, widths, stitching cord, needles, knots, stitch spacing, etc. So any help in these areas would be appreciated! Stewart's website has the fabric covering manual which I will reference as needed. I may also continue to tinker with my fuel tank...that is proving to be a slow process, but it is coming along. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 08:17:30 AM PST US
    From: Marvin Haught <handainc@madisoncounty.net>
    Subject: Re: Operation Arrow Fest II
    Michael - I am a Stewart Systems distributor - I can provide you with a DVD set that takes you through the entire process, step by step. The set is $20, refundable with your first purchase of products. The DVD set can be copied (it shows a copyright, but Stewart's allow unlimited copying). I teach seminars and do weekend instructions sessions with customer where we will spend 3 days and cover tail parts or ailerons teaching the entire process up through painting. Cost for the seminar is $300 per person, 10 to a session which is 3 days. Cost for the individual training is $750 plus expenses. I'll be happy to answer any questions you or any of the folks here might have about the covering process. I have a customer covering a Piet right now in Branson, MO. I carry a pretty complete line of products, except for paint, which drop ships only from Cashmere, WA. aircraftfinishes@gmail.com M. Haught On 12/12/2011 9:52 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: > > Michael, If I might make a suggestion, start with reading the ENTIRE > covering manual, then read it again. The when you are ready to start > covering, re-read the section pertaining to the part of the airframe > you are covering. If the Stewart manual is as good as the PolyFiber > manual, you should have no problems. > > I love fabric covering. To me, this is the very best part of the > entire building process, where you take odd pieces of framework and > turn them into parts of an airplane that can actually FLY. > > Good luck! > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *Michael Perez > *Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2011 9:39 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Operation Arrow Fest II > > This week is my last at work until the 9th of January. During my > vacation time, I will execute operation Arrow Fest II...my build-athon > as last year. This time I will focus on obtaining the materials > needed for covering. My plan is to start with the tails pieces. I > plan to use the 1.7 oz. fabric from superflite.com and the Stewart's > ekobond. Not clear on finishing tapes, anti-chafe tapes, type of tape > edge, bias ply, widths, stitching cord, needles, knots, stitch > spacing, etc. So any help in these areas would be appreciated! > Stewart's website has the fabric covering manual which I will > reference as needed. > > I may also continue to tinker with my fuel tank...that is proving to > be a slow process, but it is coming along. > > Michael Perez > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > * * > * * > ** > ** > ** > ** > *www.buildersbooks.com* > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > ** > ** > *http://forums.matronics.com* > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > * * > * > > > * -- H.Marvin Haught Jr. Haught& Associates, Inc Huntsville, AR 72740


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    Time: 08:48:41 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Operation Arrow Fest II
    Agreed Jack. I have read the Stewart's manual twice now...over about a one year period. The last time was about 2 months ago.- I'll read it again he re soon...I need a better Idea what to order... and have it handy while in work. My plan is to have the tail assembly ready for flight...covered, taped, sti tched painted, tail number, etc. by the end of the three weeks. When I first started out on my build, I was looking forward to building the fuselage the most. Now that the fuselage is pretty much complete, I am REA LLY looking forward to doing some fabric and painting! It will be a while b efore I cover the fuselage, but the tail is a good place to get started. Th is week can't end soon enough. Michael Perez =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 09:10:20 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: magnets
    From: Amsafetyc <amsafetyc@aol.com>
    Finally an answer that makes sense, I can die a happy man John Do not archive Go in peace the thread had ended Sent from my iPhone On Dec 11, 2011, at 7:10 PM, "flea" <jimgriggs@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Amsafetyc wrote: >> what remedy is there for non ferris metals consumption? > > Non-ferrous metals don't rust, therefore there is no problem with cows ingesting. . . Never mind, I don't know anything about cows. Except they taste mighty good, probably all the Aluminum and magnesium they eat. > > Jim. > > > Do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360713#360713 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 11:43:41 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: magnets
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    Thank goodness. Maybe now we can "mooooove" on. That was "udder" nonsense. DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360770#360770


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    Time: 12:01:49 PM PST US
    From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: magnets
    It's Moo-ler's fault... -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:39 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: magnets Thank goodness. Maybe now we can "mooooove" on. That was "udder" nonsense. DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360770#360770


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    Time: 01:56:28 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: New Piet pilot.
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    Here's some video links. Starting him up for his first takeoff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU_3M-L1S5s&feature=autoplay&list=UUXbTv9Gz1Fby7rilqnvmTpw&lf=plcp&playnext=1 Here's his first landing, really bad video and 2nd takeoff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-fcDmT3Mbg&feature=autoplay&list=UUXbTv9Gz1Fby7rilqnvmTpw&lf=plcp&playnext=1 2nd landing, about like the first. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn7PG5UJKzc&list=UUXbTv9Gz1Fby7rilqnvmTpw&feature=plcp His third takeoff and then almost his last landing, but the camera died. Of course, he nailed that one! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khj0AOAdSVY&list=UUXbTv9Gz1Fby7rilqnvmTpw&feature=plcp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ychQFFekmsE&list=UUXbTv9Gz1Fby7rilqnvmTpw&feature=plcp Really neat to watch him do that. Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360780#360780


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    Time: 02:25:12 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: New Piet pilot.
    From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
    Congratulations to your son. First solo -- and in a Pietenpol -- will be a story to share for the rest of his days. Cheers, Ken On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 2:53 PM, tools <n0kkj@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Here's some video links. > > Starting him up for his first takeoff. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU_3M-L1S5s&feature=autoplay&list=UUXbTv9Gz1Fby7rilqnvmTpw&lf=plcp&playnext=1 > > Here's his first landing, really bad video and 2nd takeoff. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-fcDmT3Mbg&feature=autoplay&list=UUXbTv9Gz1Fby7rilqnvmTpw&lf=plcp&playnext=1 > > 2nd landing, about like the first. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn7PG5UJKzc&list=UUXbTv9Gz1Fby7rilqnvmTpw&feature=plcp > > His third takeoff and then almost his last landing, but the camera died. Of course, he nailed that one! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khj0AOAdSVY&list=UUXbTv9Gz1Fby7rilqnvmTpw&feature=plcp > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ychQFFekmsE&list=UUXbTv9Gz1Fby7rilqnvmTpw&feature=plcp > > Really neat to watch him do that. > > Tools > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360780#360780 > >


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    Time: 03:30:01 PM PST US
    Subject: Piet progress
    From: John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper@gmail.com>
    I'm the one restoring/improving a 1970's Piet. I am a self-admitted lurker--You guys and this list are the best...In the archives you taught me how to hook up my tail wheel. (it was not made steerable originally). I am definitely going with compression springs in my cable control. They run nicely through the large belly inspection plate I installed. Will try to get this guy back together by this spring to formation fly with Oscar Zungia before he brings his baby back to Oregon. -- John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), President, KUHLCOUPER LLC


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    Time: 03:33:41 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Thanks for the help--archives--formation fly in spring
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    I'm still in Georgetown, John. We can fly all the formation you can stand. (Though by all means get your time with Oscar before he goes.) do not archive -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360787#360787


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    Time: 03:41:19 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: One of the Best Flying Stories ever.
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    Procedures are for sissies.... Kidding. Great story, Clif. Thanks. do not archive -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360789#360789


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    Time: 05:19:49 PM PST US
    Subject: Aileron Cables rubbing on the fuselage frame...
    From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com>
    Hello List, I have mocked up the flight controls in my Piet and am finding that if the cabaine struts are vertical then the aileron cables rub on the fuselage frame per the attached image. (Many Piets have their cabaine struts slanted aft a few inches for weight-and-balance, but I want to protect for some adjustment and allow them to be vertical without control cable rubbing problems.) Question: Has anyone ever moved the aileron control horn aft on the control bar to help alleviate this problem... or does this just cause some other problem I am not aware of.....?!?!? (I am considering 1 & 1/2 inches aft) Moving the horn aft would also mean that I would have to move the forward pulley (which is on the control bar) aft and I am not sure if that would be a problem as well......!?!??! .....or is there some other fix that people have done....?!?!?!? It also seems like the aileron control cables are awfully close to rubbing on the cross brace cables for the cabaine struts....!?!?!? Thanks in advance for any help............ -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360791#360791 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/aileron_cables_problem_176.jpg


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    Time: 05:46:37 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: One of the Best Flying Stories ever.
    From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>
    That is a great story. The Jeep running into the nose gear reminded me of a short story my brother told me a few months ago. He crewed on C-54's during the Berlin Airlift. They flew in zero type visibility. He said one night it was so bad taxiing to unload the coal at Tempelhof they got lost and wound up in front of the snack bar. do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 now covering 21&quot; wheels Lycoming O-235 C 2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360794#360794


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    Time: 05:52:01 PM PST US
    From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
    Subject: Covering
    Thanks very much to all for the great thoughts! Jack DSM NX1929T Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 6:07 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering Good morning all, It's time to order covering supplies and with that I would appreciate your thoughts. I've searched the archives and pictures, thanks to many and Oscar for your posts on materials needed. It looks like many people used pinked finishing tape. Is that best? Also wondering if bias tape is worth the extra price. Flat or round thread? Any thoughts to help would be great. I'm planning on 1.7 oz material and water based products. Thanks, Jack NX1929T


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    Time: 06:09:09 PM PST US
    From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
    Subject: Re: Aileron Cables rubbing on the fuselage frame...
    I could move my aileron horn without moving the pulley (except that mine are already welded. If I wanted to move the horn I would have to start over). Why do you think you would have to move the pulley? They are completely seperate items. ----- Original Message ----- From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Cables rubbing on the fuselage frame... > <flight.jake@gmail.com> > > Hello List, > > I have mocked up the flight controls in my Piet and am finding that if the > cabaine struts are vertical then the aileron cables rub on the fuselage > frame per the attached image. (Many Piets have their cabaine struts > slanted aft a few inches for weight-and-balance, but I want to protect for > some adjustment and allow them to be vertical without control cable > rubbing problems.) > > Question: Has anyone ever moved the aileron control horn aft on the > control bar to help alleviate this problem... or does this just cause some > other problem I am not aware of.....?!?!? (I am considering 1 & 1/2 > inches aft) > > Moving the horn aft would also mean that I would have to move the forward > pulley (which is on the control bar) aft and I am not sure if that would > be a problem as well......!?!??! > > .....or is there some other fix that people have done....?!?!?!? > > It also seems like the aileron control cables are awfully close to rubbing > on the cross brace cables for the cabaine struts....!?!?!? > > Thanks in advance for any help............ > > -------- > Jake Schultz - curator, > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360791#360791 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/aileron_cables_problem_176.jpg > > >


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    Time: 06:25:26 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Aileron Cables rubbing on the fuselage frame...
    From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com>
    Guess I just figure I could beef them up a tad and separate them but per the plans it looks like they integrate/work together structurally nicely when they are welded as a set....??!!?!?!? -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360798#360798


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    Time: 06:26:52 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Aileron Cables rubbing on the fuselage frame...
    As I recall, my aileron cables had some interference, which I eliminated by judicious application of a hammer on the control horns on the torque tube. Do what you've got to do. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerocarjake Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Cables rubbing on the fuselage frame... Hello List, I have mocked up the flight controls in my Piet and am finding that if the cabaine struts are vertical then the aileron cables rub on the fuselage frame per the attached image. (Many Piets have their cabaine struts slanted aft a few inches for weight-and-balance, but I want to protect for some adjustment and allow them to be vertical without control cable rubbing problems.) Question: Has anyone ever moved the aileron control horn aft on the control bar to help alleviate this problem... or does this just cause some other problem I am not aware of.....?!?!? (I am considering 1 & 1/2 inches aft) Moving the horn aft would also mean that I would have to move the forward pulley (which is on the control bar) aft and I am not sure if that would be a problem as well......!?!??! .....or is there some other fix that people have done....?!?!?!? It also seems like the aileron control cables are awfully close to rubbing on the cross brace cables for the cabaine struts....!?!?!? Thanks in advance for any help............ -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360791#360791 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/aileron_cables_problem_176.jpg


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    Time: 06:40:03 PM PST US
    From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
    Subject: shamelwaa uas of the forum
    I know that this is both shameless and unorthodox use of our beloved board, however I have no other way to contact everyone at large at such an important time. However I thought it important enough to run the risk of such an action. I have been successful in securing special introductory pricing concessions from the owner of _www.AristoKrafts.com_ (http://www.aristokrafts.com/) to create a special series of Christmas ornaments for the Pietenpol Builders and owners community. For a limited time She will accept pre Christmas orders at the special price to create your own personalized ornament depicting your Pietenpol on the ornament with the tail number and your particular scheme. Each ornament is a hand painted artistic rendition of your Pietenpol its the perfect gif for the flyer in your family, the Piet in your hangar and an inspiration for the builder. The good news is that even if you don't have it completed but would like your own Ornament you can order one anyway just provide your tail number detailed color scheme and engine selection and you order will be processed as received and assigned its authentication number in the series with out duplication. All this for the low introductory price of $19.99 plus shipping and handling but wait if you order 4 or more the shipping is free. Exclusive of rush orders or special handling requests or out of the USA shipments. This a specially negotiated price for the Pietenpol Community. I will put a link on my FB page for you to reference back to. My apologies, this was just too good not to share with my friends. John


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    Time: 07:22:33 PM PST US
    From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
    Subject: Buildapalooza suspended for medical intervention, great
    just great Well build fans I had to suspend Buildapalooza for a while, Was in the hospital Friday for shoulder surgery, I am not sure what he actually did however it musta been good because it hurt a bunch, still does. I figure hangar days will be minimal and progress even less. I figured being out of work this would be a good time to get it done, unfortunately it cuts into the Buildapalooza I suppose you cant always get what you want. As soon as I can Ill be back at the build, this year is not turning out like I planned. Do not archive John


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    Time: 09:23:15 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Buildapalooza suspended for medical intervention,
    great just great Yeah, a rough year, John.be well. Gary Boothe NX308MB Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 7:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Buildapalooza suspended for medical intervention, great just great Well build fans I had to suspend Buildapalooza for a while, Was in the hospital Friday for shoulder surgery, I am not sure what he actually did however it musta been good because it hurt a bunch, still does. I figure hangar days will be minimal and progress even less. I figured being out of work this would be a good time to get it done, unfortunately it cuts into the Buildapalooza I suppose you cant always get what you want. As soon as I can Ill be back at the build, this year is not turning out like I planned. Do not archive John




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