---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 12/13/11: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:15 AM - Re: Buildapalooza suspended for medical intervention, great just great (Jack Phillips) 2. 04:16 AM - Re: shamelwaa uas of the forum (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 04:25 AM - Re: Buildapalooza suspended for medical intervention, great just great (helspersew@aol.com) 4. 04:39 AM - Re: Aileron Cables rubbing on the fuselage frame... (helspersew@aol.com) 5. 04:44 AM - Re: shamelwaa uas of the forum (Gene Rambo) 6. 05:18 AM - Re: shamelwaa uas of the forum (Amsafetyc) 7. 05:18 AM - Piet People- Hi again from Japan (Mark Stanley) 8. 05:22 AM - Re: Buildapalooza suspended for medical intervention, great just great (Amsafetyc) 9. 06:47 AM - Re: Buildapalooza suspended for medical intervention, great just great (Amsafetyc) 10. 07:21 AM - Re: shamelwaa uas of the forum (flea) 11. 08:00 AM - Re: shamelwaa uas of the forum (jarheadpilot82) 12. 08:11 AM - Re: Piet builders in northern ill southern wi. (bradandlinda tds.net) 13. 08:40 AM - Re: Piet builders in northern ill southern wi. (John Hofmann) 14. 08:41 AM - Re: One of the Best Flying Stories ever. (namrednos) 15. 09:02 AM - Re: Piet progress (bradandlinda tds.net) 16. 10:30 AM - Re: Piet progress (John Kuhfahl) 17. 12:25 PM - Re: Piet progress (Steve Emo) 18. 01:33 PM - Re: Piet progress (Scott Knowlton) 19. 03:57 PM - A few pics of today's cold flight (shad bell) 20. 04:29 PM - Re: A few pics of today's cold flight (C N Campbell) 21. 05:07 PM - Re: shamelwaa uas of the forum (helspersew@aol.com) 22. 06:24 PM - Re: Piet builders in northern ill southern wi. (flea) 23. 07:39 PM - Re: Piet builders in northern ill southern wi. (bill55) 24. 07:41 PM - Tires (Baldeagle) 25. 08:12 PM - Re: Tires (Marvin Haught) 26. 08:19 PM - Re: shamelwaa uas of the forum (Gene Rambo) 27. 08:29 PM - Re: A few pics of today's cold flight (aerocarjake) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:15:06 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Buildapalooza suspended for medical intervention, great just great Sorry to hear you're laid up, John. Maybe now's the time to lay out that glass panel for your Pietenpol. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Buildapalooza suspended for medical intervention, great just great Well build fans I had to suspend Buildapalooza for a while, Was in the hospital Friday for shoulder surgery, I am not sure what he actually did however it musta been good because it hurt a bunch, still does. I figure hangar days will be minimal and progress even less. I figured being out of work this would be a good time to get it done, unfortunately it cuts into the Buildapalooza I suppose you cant always get what you want. As soon as I can Ill be back at the build, this year is not turning out like I planned. Do not archive John ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:16:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: shamelwaa uas of the forum From: helspersew@aol.com These will become highly sought after. I can just see my heirs on Antiques Roadshow being amazed when the appraiser tells them how much its worth!! Placed my request for order off-list. Wanted to be the first one on my bloc k!! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive -----Original Message----- From: AMsafetyC Sent: Mon, Dec 12, 2011 8:40 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: shamelwaa uas of the forum I know that this is both shameless and unorthodox use of our beloved board, however I have no other way to contact everyone at large at such an import ant time. However I thought it important enough to run the risk of such an action. I have been successful in securing special introductory pricing concessions from the owner of www.AristoKrafts.com to create a special series of Chri stmas ornaments for the Pietenpol Builders and owners community. For a limi ted time She will accept pre Christmas orders at the special price to creat e your own personalized ornament depicting your Pietenpol on the ornament w ith the tail number and your particular scheme. Each ornament is a hand painted artistic rendition of your Pietenpol its th e perfect gif for the flyer in your family, the Piet in your hangar and an inspiration for the builder. The good news is that even if you don't have i t completed but would like your own Ornament you can order one anyway just provide your tail number detailed color scheme and engine selection and you order will be processed as received and assigned its authentication number in the series with out duplication. All this for the low introductory price of $19.99 plus shipping and handlin g but wait if you order 4 or more the shipping is free. Exclusive of rush o rders or special handling requests or out of the USA shipments. This a spec ially negotiated price for the Pietenpol Community. I will put a link on my FB page for you to reference back to. My apologies, this was just too good not to share with my friends. John - -= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- -= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) - -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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Nobody's life ever goes as planned. I guess it would be pretty boring if it did. I consider myself very fortunate being able to st art and actually finish building a Pietenpol in one lifetime. Many others a re not so fortunate, as something usually gets in the way more times than n ot. Time. money, divorce, job, the list goes on. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive -----Original Message----- From: AMsafetyC Sent: Mon, Dec 12, 2011 9:22 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Buildapalooza suspended for medical intervention, great just great Well build fans I had to suspend Buildapalooza for a while, Was in the hosp ital Friday for shoulder surgery, I am not sure what he actually did howeve r it musta been good because it hurt a bunch, still does. I figure hangar d ays will be minimal and progress even less. I figured being out of work this would be a good time to get it done, unfor tunately it cuts into the Buildapalooza I suppose you cant always get what you want. As soon as I can Ill be back at the build, this year is not turning out lik e I planned. Do not archive John - -= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- -= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) - -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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From: helspersew@aol.com In a few places on my plane, I glued on small blocks of phenolic strategica lly placed as rub strips. You should have seen the maze of cables/wires/tub es in back of the pilot seat panel..sheeeeesh! It would be a miracle if it all fit in properly Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Jack Phillips Sent: Mon, Dec 12, 2011 8:27 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Cables rubbing on the fuselage frame.. .. et> As I recall, my aileron cables had some interference, which I eliminated by udicious application of a hammer on the control horns on the torque tube. Do what you've got to do. Jack Phillips X899JP mith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- rom: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerocarjake ent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:17 PM o: pietenpol-list@matronics.com ubject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Cables rubbing on the fuselage frame... Hello List, I have mocked up the flight controls in my Piet and am finding that if the abaine struts are vertical then the aileron cables rub on the fuselage rame per the attached image. (Many Piets have their cabaine struts slanted ft a few inches for weight-and-balance, but I want to protect for some djustment and allow them to be vertical without control cable rubbing roblems.) Question: Has anyone ever moved the aileron control horn aft on the contro l ar to help alleviate this problem... or does this just cause some other roblem I am not aware of.....?!?!? (I am considering 1 & 1/2 inches aft) Moving the horn aft would also mean that I would have to move the forward ulley (which is on the control bar) aft and I am not sure if that would be problem as well......!?!??! .....or is there some other fix that people have done....?!?!?!? It also seems like the aileron control cables are awfully close to rubbing n the cross brace cables for the cabaine struts....!?!?!? Thanks in advance for any help............ -------- ake Schultz - curator, ewport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360791#360791 ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/aileron_cables_problem_176.jpg -======================== - -= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- -= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) - -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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Do what you've got to do. Jack Phillips X899JP mith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- rom: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerocarjake ent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:17 PM o: pietenpol-list@matronics.com ubject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Cables rubbing on the fuselage frame... Hello List, I have mocked up the flight controls in my Piet and am finding that if the abaine struts are vertical then the aileron cables rub on the fuselage rame per the attached image. (Many Piets have their cabaine struts slanted ft a few inches for weight-and-balance, but I want to protect for some djustment and allow them to be vertical without control cable rubbing roblems.) Question: Has anyone ever moved the aileron control horn aft on the contro l ar to help alleviate this problem... or does this just cause some other roblem I am not aware of.....?!?!? (I am considering 1 & 1/2 inches aft) Moving the horn aft would also mean that I would have to move the forward ulley (which is on the control bar) aft and I am not sure if that would be problem as well......!?!??! .....or is there some other fix that people have done....?!?!?!? It also seems like the aileron control cables are awfully close to rubbing n the cross brace cables for the cabaine struts....!?!?!? Thanks in advance for any help............ -------- ake Schultz - curator, ewport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360791#360791 ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/aileron_cables_problem_176.jpg -======================== - -= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- -= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) - -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on -= the Contribution link below to find out more about -= this year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts provided -= by: -= -= * AeroElectric www.aeroelectric.com -= * The Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com -= * HomebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com - -= List Contribution Web Site: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution - -= Thank you for your generous support! - -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. - -======================== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:45 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: shamelwaa uas of the forum If Helsper orders one=2C just have her paint two just alike=2C N number NX8 98H. :) Gene From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: shamelwaa uas of the forum I know that this is both shameless and unorthodox use of our beloved board =2C however I have no other way to contact everyone at large at such an importa nt time. However I thought it important enough to run the risk of such an action. I have been successful in securing special introductory pricing concessions from the owner of www.AristoKrafts.com to create a special series of Christmas ornaments for the Pietenpol Builders and owners community. For a limited time She will accept pre Christmas orders at the special price to create your own personalized ornament depicting your Piete npol on the ornament with the tail number and your particular scheme. Each ornament is a hand painted artistic rendition of your Pietenpol its the perfect gif for the flyer in your family=2C the Piet in your hangar and an inspiration for the builder. The good news is that even if you don't have i t completed but would like your own Ornament you can order one anyway just pr ovide your tail number detailed color scheme and engine selection and you order w ill be processed as received and assigned its authentication number in the seri es with out duplication. All this for the low introductory price of $19.99 plus shipping and handling but wait if you order 4 or more the shipping is free. Exclusive of rush orders or special handling requests or out of the USA shipments. This a specially negotiated price for the Pietenpol Community. I will put a link on my FB page for you to reference back to. My apologies=2C this was just too good not to share with my friends. John ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: shamelwaa uas of the forum From: Amsafetyc This will be number 3 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 13, 2011, at 7:42 AM, Gene Rambo wrote: > If Helsper orders one, just have her paint two just alike, N number NX898H . :) > > Gene > > From: AMsafetyC@aol.com > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 21:37:27 -0500 > Subject: Pietenpol-List: shamelwaa uas of the forum > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > I know that this is both shameless and unorthodox use of our beloved board , however I have no other way to contact everyone at large at such an import ant time. However I thought it important enough to run the risk of such an a ction. > > I have been successful in securing special introductory pricing concession s from the owner of www.AristoKrafts.com to create a special series of Chri stmas ornaments for the Pietenpol Builders and owners community. For a limit ed time She will accept pre Christmas orders at the special price to create y our own personalized ornament depicting your Pietenpol on the ornament with t he tail number and your particular scheme. > > Each ornament is a hand painted artistic rendition of your Pietenpol its t he perfect gif for the flyer in your family, the Piet in your hangar and an i nspiration for the builder. The good news is that even if you don't have it c ompleted but would like your own Ornament you can order one anyway just prov ide your tail number detailed color scheme and engine selection and you orde r will be processed as received and assigned its authentication number in th e series with out duplication. > > All this for the low introductory price of $19.99 plus shipping and handli ng but wait if you order 4 or more the shipping is free. Exclusive of rush o rders or special handling requests or out of the USA shipments. This a speci ally negotiated price for the Pietenpol Community. > > I will put a link on my FB page for you to reference back to. > > My apologies, this was just too good not to share with my friends. > > > John > > > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com > " target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:57 AM PST US From: "Mark Stanley" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet People- Hi again from Japan Hi Steve, I=99m basically NE of Tokyo on the Kanto plains.....one of the few flat areas in Japan! Great to hear you visited Japan. As you would have noticed, it is a very diffrent world to what we are used to! Both Piets havn=99t had much done on them for quite a while but here are some photos. (shrunk in size to save bandwidth). The fuz on wheels (with two aeroplane noise makers in the cockpits) is #1 Piet. It belongs to a Japanese bloke that I work with. #2 photo=99s are of my project (way behind #1 Piet). The rib shots show one panels worth but all of the ribs are now complete. The fin/rudder are hinged with Vi Kapler=99s hinges. Hope to get on with things again soon! Mark >I'm just curious, where in Japan are you located? >Do you have any pictures of your Piet projects? >Steve Ruse >Norman, OK ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Buildapalooza suspended for medical intervention, great just great From: Amsafetyc Sent from my iPhone On Dec 13, 2011, at 7:23 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > Get well soon John. Nobody's life ever goes as planned. I guess it would b e pretty boring if it did. I consider myself very fortunate being able to st art and actually finish building a Pietenpol in one lifetime. Many others ar e not so fortunate, as something usually gets in the way more times than not . Time. money, divorce, job, the list goes on. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > do not archive > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AMsafetyC > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Mon, Dec 12, 2011 9:22 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Buildapalooza suspended for medical intervention, great just great > > Well build fans I had to suspend Buildapalooza for a while, Was in the hos pital Friday for shoulder surgery, I am not sure what he actually did howeve r it musta been good because it hurt a bunch, still does. I figure hangar da ys will be minimal and progress even less. > > I figured being out of work this would be a good time to get it done, unfo rtunately it cuts into the Buildapalooza I suppose you cant always get what y ou want. > > As soon as I can Ill be back at the build, this year is not turning out li ke I planned. > > Do not archive > > John > > > _blank>www.aeroelectric.com > /" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com > =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > p://forums.matronics.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Buildapalooza suspended for medical intervention, great just great From: Amsafetyc Good thought thanks Jack I got the poor mans version of the EFIS it's called Rufis it comes with a steam driven altimeter and instructions on what ma ma ke the fan stop making that loud noise with the wind. They call it quiet mod e. I'll have to read that chapter closely I am always interested in stealth t echnology, modern marvels and all that stuff I may go to the hangar and bri ng the layout materials home. That should be a real hit with the family! Thanks John Please do not archive Sent from my iPhone On Dec 13, 2011, at 6:11 AM, "Jack Phillips" wrote: > Sorry to hear you=99re laid up, John. Maybe now=99s the time t o lay out that glass panel for your Pietenpol. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:20 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Buildapalooza suspended for medical intervention, great just great > > Well build fans I had to suspend Buildapalooza for a while, Was in the hos pital Friday for shoulder surgery, I am not sure what he actually did howeve r it musta been good because it hurt a bunch, still does. I figure hangar da ys will be minimal and progress even less. > > I figured being out of work this would be a good time to get it done, unfo rtunately it cuts into the Buildapalooza I suppose you cant always get what y ou want. > > As soon as I can Ill be back at the build, this year is not turning out li ke I planned. > > Do not archive > > John > > > www.buildersbooks.com > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: shamelwaa uas of the forum From: "flea" You guys are funny.. Don't suppose she could make one with just the fuse, vertical and horizontal stabs, no rudder or elevators and 23 loose ribs could she? Maybe put in a temporary seat made of MDF, just so my Santa ornament can sit in it and make airplane noises. . . Jim Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360833#360833 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: shamelwaa uas of the forum From: "jarheadpilot82" Jim, Now THAT's funny! -------- Do Not Archive Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360840#360840 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet builders in northern ill southern wi. From: "bradandlinda tds.net" You could look at mine at Burlington Wi. (BUU). Google up NX29NX for pictures. Brad Williams 262 534-6054. On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 8:27 PM, schuerrman wrote: > > Hey, I have my fuse mostly done and I was wondering if there's anyone that > has a plane I could look at. I've got a stack of visual questions. Thanks. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360717#360717 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:44 AM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet builders in northern ill southern wi. I have 502R in Hartford. Always looking for an excuse to head to the airport. -john- do not archive John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Dec 13, 2011, at 10:08 AM, bradandlinda tds.net wrote: > You could look at mine at Burlington Wi. (BUU). Google up NX29NX for pictures. Brad Williams 262 534-6054. > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 8:27 PM, schuerrman wrote: > > Hey, I have my fuse mostly done and I was wondering if there's anyone that has a plane I could look at. I've got a stack of visual questions. Thanks. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360717#360717 > > > > > > > > ========== > ="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com > ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > le, List Admin. > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One of the Best Flying Stories ever. From: "namrednos" WOW Great Story. You need to make a movie! Thanks Do not archive Scott -------- Scott Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360842#360842 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet progress From: "bradandlinda tds.net" The compression sprins are stiffer than the coil springs. You want the spring tension to match the effectiveness of the aerodynamic rudder. I once flew a clipped wing Cub that the owner had put on stiffer t/w springs. On t/o with the t/w on the ground the rudder input was super sensitive, and when the tail came up I had to add more rudder to keep it going straight. Even worse, on landing with correct rudder input, when the t/w touched down it immediately veered sharply off. It became real squirly on roll out. With the spring tension matched to the aerodynamic rudder as the tail comes up on t/o no change in rudder input should be needed. Brad Williams On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 5:27 PM, John Kuhfahl wrote: > > I'm the one restoring/improving a 1970's Piet. I am a self-admitted > lurker--You guys and this list are the best...In the archives you taught me > how to hook up my tail wheel. (it was not made steerable originally). I > am definitely going with compression springs in my cable control. They run > nicely through the large belly inspection plate I installed. > Will try to get this guy back together by this spring to formation fly > with Oscar Zungia before he brings his baby back to Oregon. > -- > John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), > President, KUHLCOUPER LLC > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet progress From: John Kuhfahl Brad and all, Hmm--well I thought I had it figured out. Good point--I hear you.I am hoping I can adjust out differences between the wheel and the rudder. I put in some slack on the wheel so the rudder moves before the wheel does. Ill do some serious taxiing to see how it works. I can always go back to tension spring. How "bout both? John On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:59 AM, bradandlinda tds.net wrote: > The compression sprins are stiffer than the coil springs. You want the > spring tension to match the effectiveness of the aerodynamic rudder. I > once flew a clipped wing Cub that the owner had put on stiffer t/w > springs. On t/o with the t/w on the ground the rudder input was super > sensitive, and when the tail came up I had to add more rudder to keep it > going straight. Even worse, on landing with correct rudder input, when the > t/w touched down it immediately veered sharply off. It became real squirly > on roll out. With the spring tension matched to the aerodynamic rudder as > the tail comes up on t/o no change in rudder input should be needed. Brad > Williams > > On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 5:27 PM, John Kuhfahl wrote: > >> >> I'm the one restoring/improving a 1970's Piet. I am a self-admitted >> lurker--You guys and this list are the best...In the archives you taught me >> how to hook up my tail wheel. (it was not made steerable originally). I >> am definitely going with compression springs in my cable control. They run >> nicely through the large belly inspection plate I installed. >> Will try to get this guy back together by this spring to formation fly >> with Oscar Zungia before he brings his baby back to Oregon. >> -- >> John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), >> President, KUHLCOUPER LLC >> >> * >> >> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com >> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > * > > * > > -- John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), President, KUHLCOUPER LLC ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:25:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet progress From: Steve Emo Compression or tension spring is not the question the question is spring rat e or pounds per inch. You want the rudder to move easier than the tail wheel. You want the first few degrees of rudder to actually be somewhat free and no t hard coupled or you will be dancing. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 13, 2011, at 1:27 PM, John Kuhfahl wrote: > Brad and all, > Hmm--well I thought I had it figured out. Good point--I hear you.I am hopi ng I can adjust out differences between the wheel and the rudder. I put in s ome slack on the wheel so the rudder moves before the wheel does. Ill do so me serious taxiing to see how it works. I can always go back to tension spr ing. How "bout both? John > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:59 AM, bradandlinda tds.net wrote: > The compression sprins are stiffer than the coil springs. You want the sp ring tension to match the effectiveness of the aerodynamic rudder. I once f lew a clipped wing Cub that the owner had put on stiffer t/w springs. On t/ o with the t/w on the ground the rudder input was super sensitive, and when t he tail came up I had to add more rudder to keep it going straight. Even wo rse, on landing with correct rudder input, when the t/w touched down it imme diately veered sharply off. It became real squirly on roll out. With the s pring tension matched to the aerodynamic rudder as the tail comes up on t/o no change in rudder input should be needed. Brad Williams > > On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 5:27 PM, John Kuhfahl wrote : > > I'm the one restoring/improving a 1970's Piet. I am a self-admitted lurker --You guys and this list are the best...In the archives you taught me how to hook up my tail wheel. (it was not made steerable originally). I am defin itely going with compression springs in my cable control. They run nicely th rough the large belly inspection plate I installed. > Will try to get this guy back together by this spring to formation fly wit h Oscar Zungia before he brings his baby back to Oregon. > -- > John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), > President, KUHLCOUPER LLC > > > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com > .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com > .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > -- > John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), > President, KUHLCOUPER LLC > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:25 PM PST US From: "Scott Knowlton " Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet progress Due to the effect of gyroscopic precession of the prop you will always require a further input of rudder pressure in a tailwheel aircraft when transitioning from three point to two point in the take off roll. This is regardless of tailwheel rigging. Scott Knowlton. -----Original Message----- From: "bradandlinda tds.net" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet progress The compression sprins are stiffer than the coil springs. You want the spring tension to match the effectiveness of the aerodynamic rudder. I once flew a clipped wing Cub that the owner had put on stiffer t/w springs. On t/o with the t/w on the ground the rudder input was super sensitive, and when the tail came up I had to add more rudder to keep it going straight. Even worse, on landing with correct rudder input, when the t/w touched down it immediatelyveered sharply off. It became real squirly on roll out. With the spring tension matched to the aerodynamic rudder as the tail comes up on t/o no change in rudder input should be needed. Brad Williams On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 5:27 PM, John Kuhfahl > wrote: I'm the one restoring/improving a 1970's Piet. I am a self-admitted lurker--You guys and this list are the best...In the archives you taught me how to hook up my tail wheel. (it was not made steerable originally). I am definitely going with compression springs in my cable control. They run nicely through the large belly inspection plate I installed. Will try to get this guy back together by this spring to formation fly with Oscar Zungia before he brings his baby back to Oregon. -- John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), President, KUHLCOUPER LLC _blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:41 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: A few pics of today's cold flight Well today was the last flight of 92GB for the year.- I went out today af ter preheating the engine all night, 41 degrees, and overcast/light scatter ed rain (really nice day for an open cockpit I know).- Went out the 1st t ime for 10-15 min then it started raining lightly so I went back to the bar n.- I waited about 30 min after running inside to check the r.a.dar, and went back out to go mud running in the piet.- I went out the 2nd time for about 35-40 min and was ok untill my feet and knees got cold (thats right knee, and left knee, not wee knee).- Now I have to get a bucket of water, soap and clean the evidence off the tail and lift struts.- The picture o f the Piet has my Jungster1 next to it, It ain't very big is it?- God wil ling and the hangar don't burn down, I plan on flying it to brodhead in the next couple years. - Shad - ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:48 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A few pics of today's cold flight A friend of mine once built a small Jungster in his carport. I never saw it after it was finished. It, too, was VERY small. ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:54 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A few pics of today's cold flight Well today was the last flight of 92GB for the year. I went out today after preheating the engine all night, 41 degrees, and overcast/light scattered rain (really nice day for an open cockpit I know). Went out the 1st time for 10-15 min then it started raining lightly so I went back to the barn. I waited about 30 min after running inside to check the r.a.dar, and went back out to go mud running in the piet. I went out the 2nd time for about 35-40 min and was ok untill my feet and knees got cold (thats right knee, and left knee, not wee knee). Now I have to get a bucket of water, soap and clean the evidence off the tail and lift struts. The picture of the Piet has my Jungster1 next to it, It ain't very big is it? God willing and the hangar don't burn down, I plan on flying it to brodhead in the next couple years. Shad ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: shamelwaa uas of the forum From: helspersew@aol.com SEE,........ SEE,.......... I TOLD YOU!! Rambo DID copy my paint scheme!! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Gene Rambo Sent: Tue, Dec 13, 2011 6:45 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: shamelwaa uas of the forum If Helsper orders one, just have her paint two just alike, N number NX898H. :) Gene From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: shamelwaa uas of the forum I know that this is both shameless and unorthodox use of our beloved board, however I have no other way to contact everyone at large at such an import ant time. However I thought it important enough to run the risk of such an action. I have been successful in securing special introductory pricing concessions from the owner of www.AristoKrafts.com to create a special series of Chri stmas ornaments for the Pietenpol Builders and owners community. For a limi ted time She will accept pre Christmas orders at the special price to creat e your own personalized ornament depicting your Pietenpol on the ornament w ith the tail number and your particular scheme. Each ornament is a hand painted artistic rendition of your Pietenpol its th e perfect gif for the flyer in your family, the Piet in your hangar and an inspiration for the builder. The good news is that even if you don't have i t completed but would like your own Ornament you can order one anyway just provide your tail number detailed color scheme and engine selection and you order will be processed as received and assigned its authentication number in the series with out duplication. All this for the low introductory price of $19.99 plus shipping and handlin g but wait if you order 4 or more the shipping is free. Exclusive of rush o rders or special handling requests or out of the USA shipments. This a spec ially negotiated price for the Pietenpol Community. I will put a link on my FB page for you to reference back to. My apologies, this was just too good not to share with my friends. John _blank">www.aeroelectric.com target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com "_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com "_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution t" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com "_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution - -= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- -= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) - -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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From: "flea" Westcoastpiet also about a gazillion pictures of every conceivable piece and part on the pietenpol. Jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360885#360885 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet builders in northern ill southern wi. From: "bill55" I have a Ford powered Sky Scout based at Brodhead. In fact I flew today as it was 34 degrees but very light wind. I also have an Aircamper in Shullsburg, WI that I have been building forever. This is Ford powered and it is ready for cover. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360889#360889 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tires From: "Baldeagle" Where's a good place to get 8.50x6 tires for an experimental airplane? - Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360890#360890 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:00 PM PST US From: Marvin Haught Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tires I've been using Desser Recaps for years - I've got a set of 8.50 x 6 recaps I use on my Pacer when I fly out to the desert. They have been great. http://www.desser.com/ A lot cheaper than new tires and I've run at least 10 pairs over the years - got one bad tire. M. Haught On 12/13/2011 9:38 PM, Baldeagle wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Baldeagle" > > Where's a good place to get 8.50x6 tires for an experimental airplane? > > > - > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360890#360890 > > -- H.Marvin Haught Jr. Haught& Associates, Inc Huntsville, AR 72740 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:55 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: shamelwaa uas of the forum see=2C see=2C there's the MEAN man daddy!!!! :) do not archive To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: shamelwaa uas of the forum From: helspersew@aol.com SEE=2C........ SEE=2C.......... I TOLD YOU!! Rambo DID copy my paint sche me!! Dan Helsper Puryear=2C TN do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Gene Rambo Sent: Tue=2C Dec 13=2C 2011 6:45 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: shamelwaa uas of the forum If Helsper orders one=2C just have her paint two just alike=2C N number NX8 98H. :) Gene From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: shamelwaa uas of the forum I know that this is both shameless and unorthodox use of our beloved board =2C however I have no other way to contact everyone at large at such an imp ortant time. However I thought it important enough to run the risk of such an action. I have been successful in securing special introductory pricing concessions from the owner of www.AristoKrafts.com to create a special series of Chri stmas ornaments for the Pietenpol Builders and owners community. For a limi ted time She will accept pre Christmas orders at the special price to creat e your own personalized ornament depicting your Pietenpol on the ornament w ith the tail number and your particular scheme. Each ornament is a hand painted artistic rendition of your Pietenpol its th e perfect gif for the flyer in your family=2C the Piet in your hangar and a n inspiration for the builder. The good news is that even if you don't have it completed but would like your own Ornament you can order one anyway jus t provide your tail number detailed color scheme and engine selection and y ou order will be processed as received and assigned its authentication numb er in the series with out duplication. All this for the low introductory price of $19.99 plus shipping and handlin g but wait if you order 4 or more the shipping is free. Exclusive of rush o rders or special handling requests or out of the USA shipments. This a spec ially negotiated price for the Pietenpol Community. I will put a link on my FB page for you to reference back to. My apologies=2C this was just too good not to share with my friends. John _blank">www.aeroelectric.com " target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution _blank>www.aeroelectric.com /" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A few pics of today's cold flight From: "aerocarjake" That looks like one cold flight...! Thanks for posting........ 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