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1. 02:46 AM - Re: Father/son build team with engine question (C N Campbell)
2. 04:12 AM - Re: Re: building table with most miles on it (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 05:38 AM - Re: Father/son build team with engine question (Amsafetyc)
4. 05:38 AM - Re: 15 inch tires on my Piet (AircamperN11MS)
5. 06:18 AM - Re: Re: building table with most miles on it (Amsafetyc)
6. 08:35 AM - Watch out for the bad guys out there (Woodflier@aol.com)
7. 08:58 AM - Re: Watch out for the bad guys out there (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA FORSCOM)
8. 12:05 PM - metal vs wood prop (tools)
9. 01:20 PM - Re: metal vs wood prop (Dan Yocum)
10. 03:27 PM - Re: metal vs wood prop (tools)
11. 03:43 PM - Re: Re: metal vs wood prop (airlion)
12. 03:48 PM - My table built with steel studs (MKJ1928)
13. 05:14 PM - Re: metal vs wood prop (shad bell)
14. 05:40 PM - Re: metal vs wood prop (tools)
15. 05:52 PM - Re: My table built with steel studs (Bill Church)
16. 07:03 PM - Re: My table built with steel studs (MKJ1928)
17. 07:13 PM - Re: Re: metal vs wood prop (Greg Bacon)
18. 07:18 PM - Re: My table built with steel studs (Bill Church)
19. 07:21 PM - Re: Re: My table built with steel studs (Clif Dawson)
20. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: metal vs wood prop (Gboothe5)
21. 07:54 PM - Re: My table built with steel studs (MKJ1928)
22. 07:55 PM - Re: Father/son build team with engine question (MKJ1928)
23. 08:11 PM - Re: Re: metal vs wood prop (Clif Dawson)
24. 11:39 PM - Re: Watch out for the bad guys out there (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: Father/son build team with engine question |
A one-piece wing requires about 5 people to move it. I am in the process of
building my wings and I HIGHLY recommend the 3-piece version. I know
nothing of the model A engine. I'm using a Corvair, which I also highly
recommend. Good fortune on your project -- whichever way you decide to go.
Chuck
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From: "MKJ1928" <mike@oconomowocplumbing.com>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 11:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Father/son build team with engine question
> <mike@oconomowocplumbing.com>
>
> Hello everybody
>
> Just wanted to say hi. saw this list and it seems pretty cool. my 7 year
> old son and just started building a Piet tonight. Standard one piece wing,
> Model A engine and wood gear.
>
> We do have one question to ask. We want a Model-A engine but that wont be
> for a while. In the mean time I want to keep my eyes peeled for an engine
> when I come across one. Anything I should be careful for? Any advice on
> this matter?
>
> Mike
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361324#361324
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| Subject: | Re: building table with most miles on it |
Well, as a matter of fact it was a Lutheran church; an excerpt from Air and
Space:
Mar 18, 2010 =93 Back in Cherry Grove, an 18-year-old friend of Piete
npol's, Orrin Hoopman ... ( Pietenpol built his first airplanes in an aband
oned Lutheran church.) ...
My table top is built from 36" wide door panels. I pulled them from a clear
ance rack at Home Depot years ago. Being a purist, I am sure this was Provi
dential, and these were returned to the store, originally destined for a Lu
theran Church somewhere..............now I can rest easy again.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: flea <jimgriggs@yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, Dec 19, 2011 9:50 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: building table with most miles on it
erocarjake wrote:
I thought that per the plans we were supposed to build it on the floor of
a
hurch.....!
Great to see history preserved and appreciated....
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hat?!?
ou mean on top of the obligatory 'what kind of motor ya gonna use' I have t
o
lso prepare my self for the 'what kind of Church is that'
o many choices in this airplane building stuff.
Jim.
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| Subject: | Re: Father/son build team with engine question |
I have 2 engine blocks and other parts if you're interested
Welcome to the build
John
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On Dec 19, 2011, at 11:06 PM, "MKJ1928" <mike@oconomowocplumbing.com> wrote:
>
> Hello everybody
>
> Just wanted to say hi. saw this list and it seems pretty cool. my 7 year old
son and just started building a Piet tonight. Standard one piece wing, Model A
engine and wood gear.
>
> We do have one question to ask. We want a Model-A engine but that wont be for
a while. In the mean time I want to keep my eyes peeled for an engine when I
come across one. Anything I should be careful for? Any advice on this matter?
>
> Mike
>
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361324#361324
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| Subject: | Re: 15 inch tires on my Piet |
I have Wire wheels on mine but my dad has 8.50- 6's on his.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: building table with most miles on it |
Well I guess I got it partially correct, an old library table, a door and 2x
4 legs and supports made up to mount to the basement columns with the base t
able covered with 5/8 particle board varnished leveled and drilled. It was d
efinitely an accumulation of old, new and yard sale parts
I think Bernard would have been proud or at least mildly entertained in shop
It's become time to begin ridding my shops of non essential or inessential e
xcess parts and pieces
John
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On Dec 20, 2011, at 7:10 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> Well, as a matter of fact it was a Lutheran church; an excerpt from Air an
d Space:
>
> Mar 18, 2010 =93 Back in Cherry Grove, an 18-year-old friend of Piet
enpol's, Orrin Hoopman ... ( Pietenpol built his first airplanes in an aband
oned Lutheran church.) ...
>
> My table top is built from 36" wide door panels. I pulled them from a clea
rance rack at Home Depot years ago. Being a purist, I am sure this was Provi
dential, and these were returned to the store, originally destined for a Lut
heran Church somewhere..............now I can rest easy again.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
> do not archive
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: flea <jimgriggs@yahoo.com>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Mon, Dec 19, 2011 9:50 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: building table with most miles on it
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> aerocarjake wrote:
> > I thought that per the plans we were supposed to build it on the floor o
f a
> church.....!
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> > Great to see history preserved and appreciated....
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> What?!?
> You mean on top of the obligatory 'what kind of motor ya gonna use' I have
to
> also prepare my self for the 'what kind of Church is that'
> so many choices in this airplane building stuff.
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> Jim.
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| Subject: | Watch out for the bad guys out there |
I know few of you would consider parting with your Piet or project, but if
you are trying to sell some other form of "inferior" aircraft, beware of
the scam buyers out there. I've been trying to sell our Bellanca for a while
and got an email from someone claiming to be interested. They didn't try to
bargain on the asking price. They claimed to out of the country in the
military, and wanted to send an agent/mechanic to check out the airplane. They
would send a certified check "guaranteed", paying 10% down with an
additional amount for the mechanic, which I was to pass on to him.
The catch is that the 'cashiers check' is bogus. If you deposit it in your
bank, and then pay out funds, eventually, the check is returned, and
you're out whatever you paid the 'mechanic.' If someone wants to buy your
airplane, insist on a cashiers check drawn on a US bank for a deposit, to be held
in escrow pending the clearance of the check. A bank wire transfer is even
better, and you have collected funds pretty much immediately. I'd heard
about this before, and when I emailed back asking for payment as above, I, of
course, got no response.
The thing that pissed me off the worst was that this jerk claimed to be a
Marine. When he eventually goes to his reward, may he get poked for all
eternity by a squad of Marines with bayonettes.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
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| Subject: | Re: Watch out for the bad guys out there |
Just for Further INFO. Anyone in the US Military has a US bank account. We have
to in order to receive our pay. So anyone claiming to be US Military, even overseas,
has a US account.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Woodflier@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Watch out for the bad guys out there
> I know few of you would consider parting with your Piet or project,
> but if
> you are trying to sell some other form of "inferior" aircraft,
> beware of
> the scam buyers out there. I've been trying to sell our Bellanca
> for a while
> and got an email from someone claiming to be interested. They
> didn't try to
> bargain on the asking price. They claimed to out of the country in
> the
> military, and wanted to send an agent/mechanic to check out the
> airplane. They
> would send a certified check "guaranteed", paying 10% down with an
> additional amount for the mechanic, which I was to pass on to him.
>
> The catch is that the 'cashiers check' is bogus. If you deposit it
> in your
> bank, and then pay out funds, eventually, the check is returned,
> and
> you're out whatever you paid the 'mechanic.' If someone wants to
> buy your
> airplane, insist on a cashiers check drawn on a US bank for a
> deposit, to be held
> in escrow pending the clearance of the check. A bank wire transfer
> is even
> better, and you have collected funds pretty much immediately. I'd
> heard
> about this before, and when I emailed back asking for payment as
> above, I, of
> course, got no response.
>
> The thing that pissed me off the worst was that this jerk claimed
> to be a
> Marine. When he eventually goes to his reward, may he get poked for
> all
> eternity by a squad of Marines with bayonettes.
>
> Matt Paxton
> NX629ML
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| Subject: | metal vs wood prop |
I'm getting 1950 rpm static with a wood Sensenich 72x42 on a A65. Flies great,
but doesn't climb very well, especially with two pax.
Was told I'd do better with a metal prop. A friend with a Taylorcraft and a A65
timed up to a A75 had the same prop and same experience. He went to a metal
72x40 and got a lot better performance.
So, another friend, the A and P (IA) who built my friend's A75, had a 72x44 laying
around and said to give it a try, he thought I'd do better even though it
had more pitch.
Put it on today and got 2100 static. Can't fly it, the airport is closed... arg.
Can't explain why a metal prop does so much better even with more pitch. I brought
both props home and laid them on the dining room table (need to make some
bushings for the back of the metal prop) while I do that. I did notice that
the metal prop being so much stronger had a cross section about half the size
(or less especially as you get to the hub) of the wood prop and wonder if that
loss of "frontal area" is what gives so much more performance.
We'll see how it flies soon.
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: metal vs wood prop |
On 12/20/2011 02:01 PM, tools wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tools"<n0kkj@yahoo.com>
>
> I'm getting 1950 rpm static with a wood Sensenich 72x42 on a A65.
The tach is probably off. Mine is. Get a hand-held optical tach reader
and point it at the prop. They're $35 at ACS.
Flies great, but doesn't climb very well, especially with two pax.
>
Well, what did you expect from a little old A65, huh? A4 performance?
> Was told I'd do better with a metal prop. A friend with a Taylorcraft and a
A65 timed up to a A75 had the same prop and same experience. He went to a metal
72x40 and got a lot better performance.
>
> So, another friend, the A and P (IA) who built my friend's A75, had a 72x44 laying
around and said to give it a try, he thought I'd do better even though it
had more pitch.
>
> Put it on today and got 2100 static. Can't fly it, the airport is closed...
arg.
>
> Can't explain why a metal prop does so much better even with more pitch. I brought
both props home and laid them on the dining room table (need to make some
bushings for the back of the metal prop) while I do that. I did notice that
the metal prop being so much stronger had a cross section about half the size
(or less especially as you get to the hub) of the wood prop and wonder if that
loss of "frontal area" is what gives so much more performance.
>
Here, let me give ya a hand:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=metal+prop+OR+propellor+efficiency
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| Subject: | Re: metal vs wood prop |
Ok, I'll double check the tach, but still, isn't it relative? I was surprised
I got MORE rpm from a heavier and higher pitched prop. That's what I'm trying
to figure out.
I never really hoped for A4 performance, but this is different. We're picking
our way through the trees!
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: metal vs wood prop |
I am using the warp drive prop on my corvair piet qnd it works great and is
ground adjustable. Wm Wynne says it is the most efficient. I don't know how it
would work on an A65, but would it be worth a try? Cheers, Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: tools <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, December 20, 2011 6:22:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: metal vs wood prop
Ok, I'll double check the tach, but still, isn't it relative? I was surprised
I
got MORE rpm from a heavier and higher pitched prop. That's what I'm trying to
figure out.
I never really hoped for A4 performance, but this is different. We're picking
our way through the trees!
Tools
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| Subject: | My table built with steel studs |
Hey guys, thought I would share with you the table top I built. It's 25" x 8' and
it's going to be used to build ribs, the tail section, and miscellaneous metal
parts.
I looked at wood studs but they seemed to be warped. I went to a commercial builders
supply house and bought 18ga steel studs and sandwiched it between two 1/4"
solid phenolic sheets. Plywood would work but I just happen to have these
laying around and they already had holes in them.
The steel studs made it perfectly flat and its as still as can be. If any of you
need to build a table I'm convinced it would work well for you. The studs were
about $6 each and come 16 feet long if you need it.
Mike
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Mike
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| Subject: | Re: metal vs wood prop |
Metal props usually give much more performance.- Wood blades are thicker
less eficient (sp) than aluminum or steel.- Wood props must keep a thicke
r cross section to maintain strength compared to metal props, which equals
more drag and load on the engine.- Wood is however, lighter and better lo
oking than a metal prop on a piet (my oppinion).- But who the hell plans
on breaking records in- a Pietenpol Aircamper?- I also like the fact th
at a wood prop usually will fail before causing crankshaft damage. (That go
es for Continental, Lycoming as- wood props will break Corvair cranks, bu
t not usually A/C engines).- Use what You have, reap the benifits of what
you have, more efficient means less fuel per hr, just don't ding that airs
crew.
-
Shad
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--- On Tue, 12/20/11, Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: metal vs wood prop
On 12/20/2011 02:01 PM, tools wrote:
> -->- Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tools"<n0kkj@yahoo.com>
>
> I'm getting 1950 rpm static with a wood Sensenich 72x42 on a A65.
The tach is probably off.- Mine is.- Get a hand-held optical tach reade
r
and point it at the prop.- They're $35 at ACS.
Flies great, but doesn't climb very well, especially with two pax.
>
Well, what did you expect from a little old A65, huh?- A4 performance?
> Was told I'd do better with a metal prop.- A friend with a Taylorcraft
and a A65 timed up to a A75 had the same prop and same experience.- He we
nt to a metal 72x40 and got a lot better performance.
>
> So, another friend, the A and P (IA) who built my friend's A75, had a 72x
44 laying around and said to give it a try, he thought I'd do better even t
hough it had more pitch.
>
> Put it on today and got 2100 static.- Can't fly it, the airport is clos
ed... arg.
>
> Can't explain why a metal prop does so much better even with more pitch.
- I brought both props home and laid them on the dining room table (need
to make some bushings for the back of the metal prop) while I do that.- I
did notice that the metal prop being so much stronger had a cross section
about half the size (or less especially as you get to the hub) of the wood
prop and wonder if that loss of "frontal area" is what gives so much more p
erformance.
>
Here, let me give ya a hand:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=metal+prop+OR+propellor+efficiency
le, List Admin.
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: metal vs wood prop |
Ah, well that explains it then. I agree, the wood looks LOTS and LOTS better,
but as I mentioned, not going for any records other than a perfect not fly into
trees sort of record!
I think the wood prop worked great for Dick (builder and prior owner) as he usually
flew it alone and up there (Minnesota) most fields have really nice unobstructed
approach and departure paths. Down here in the great hardwood forest,
not so much. There's TONS of neat little fields, but they ALL have a wall of
trees to get past.
Also, I guess the aluminum prop can be re-pitched, rather than have to look for
a new prop altogether.
Gonna final install the metal 72-44 and see how it does flying.
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: My table built with steel studs |
Well Mike, I don't doubt that your work table is "stiff as can be". That's a pretty
robust structure. You mention the cost of the studs at $6 each, but there's
no mention of the cost of the phenolic sheets. I just did a quick internet
search, and if you kept the width down to 24", rather than 25", the phenolic material
will probably run about $350 (depending on the grade of phenolic sheets
- you could spend $1000 if you felt so inclined). I would hazard a guess that
you were given the material.
Aside from the cost, I'm just wondering about the practicality of using phenolic
sheets as a work table surface. Phenolic is pretty hard stuff - not so easy
for driving screws into, and also not so good for drawing on (to loft your rib
jig or tail parts).
(my 2 cents)
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: My table built with steel studs |
Hi Bill
Sorry I didn't make it more clear, I just happened to have the phenolic available
because my Dad owns a company that manufactures it. The sheets are 4' x 8'
out of the press but the sheets I had on hand were from an old pipe rack I made
years ago.
Plywood makes more sense as I indicated. Your right about the ability to mark it
though and I will end up putting a sheet of plywood over it when I'm done to
make life easier. They do make special industrial screws exclusively for phenolic
but it's not worth the hassle of pre-drilling.
The post was meant to be about the steel studs instead of wood ones. It really
worked well and because they are near perfect it makes out for a nice and sturdy
flat surface. I just wasn't sure if anybody used steel studs so I figured I
would offer it up as an option.
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Mike
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| Subject: | Re: metal vs wood prop |
How about airbrushing a wood grain finish on the metal prop? Would this be
the best of both worlds, or a breach of "aircraft building" etiquette? You
would probably be the only guy on the block to have a faux wood
prop......just say'n
Merry Christmas everyone!
Greg Bacon
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On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:38 PM, tools <n0kkj@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Ah, well that explains it then. I agree, the wood looks LOTS and LOTS
> better, but as I mentioned, not going for any records other than a perfect
> not fly into trees sort of record!
>
> I think the wood prop worked great for Dick (builder and prior owner) as
> he usually flew it alone and up there (Minnesota) most fields have really
> nice unobstructed approach and departure paths. Down here in the great
> hardwood forest, not so much. There's TONS of neat little fields, but they
> ALL have a wall of trees to get past.
>
> Also, I guess the aluminum prop can be re-pitched, rather than have to
> look for a new prop altogether.
>
> Gonna final install the metal 72-44 and see how it does flying.
>
> Tools
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361367#361367
>
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| Subject: | Re: My table built with steel studs |
Okay, it all makes sense now.
I agree that finding nice straight wood studs can sometimes be challenging these
days. Steel studs are always consistently straight and are not affected by moisture
or prone to twisting and warping like wood can be. The heavier gauge ones
like you have chosen would be the ones to use for a work surface (as opposed
to the light gauge standard studs - they're not so sturdy).
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: My table built with steel studs |
I used those steel studs. Riveted two together to
make a stiff tube, one on each long edge of the
table.Screwed cross members of the same every
two feet. Legs with more studding to hold up ply
shelves underneath. Top is 3/4" K3,or whatever
it's called down your way. This top can be leveled
six ways from Sunday with those cedar shingle
wedges, depending on how anal you want to be. :-)
The table is 4' wide by 14' long. Oh, and I made the
frame width a couple of inches less so that the
overhang would make for easy clamping of stuff. Also
I bought a roll of heavy white paper/cardboard to
lay on top for lofting. When you finish a bunch of
parts and have that surface covered in lines ( and
glue! ) you take it up and lay a fresh sheet for the
next batch.
Good Lord! THAT was eleven years ago!!!
Clif
Pilots are a rare kind of human. They leave the ordinary surface of the
world, to purify their soul in the sky, and they come down to earth, only
after receiving the communion of the infinite."
Jos Maria Velasco Ibarra, President of Ecuador
>
> Well Mike, I don't doubt that your work table is "stiff as can be". That's
> a pretty robust structure. You mention the cost of the studs at $6 each,
> but there's no mention of the cost of the phenolic sheets.> Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: metal vs wood prop |
Solution minded, YES, Greg! But that would truly be a breach of etiquette..
Gary from Cool
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How about airbrushing a wood grain finish on the metal prop? Would this be
the best of both worlds, or a breach of "aircraft building" etiquette? You
would probably be the only guy on the block to have a faux wood
prop......just say'n
Merry Christmas everyone!
Greg Bacon
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On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:38 PM, tools <n0kkj@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ah, well that explains it then. I agree, the wood looks LOTS and LOTS
better, but as I mentioned, not going for any records other than a perfect
not fly into trees sort of record!
I think the wood prop worked great for Dick (builder and prior owner) as he
usually flew it alone and up there (Minnesota) most fields have really nice
unobstructed approach and departure paths. Down here in the great hardwood
forest, not so much. There's TONS of neat little fields, but they ALL have
a wall of trees to get past.
Also, I guess the aluminum prop can be re-pitched, rather than have to look
for a new prop altogether.
Gonna final install the metal 72-44 and see how it does flying.
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: My table built with steel studs |
@ Bill
Your 100% accurate about the 18ga. I looked at the 20ga first and the difference
is unbelievable. The 18ga feels like a steel beam compared to the 22 or 24.
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I like the idea of riveting two together, I didn't think of that. I bet that would
make out for one heck of a strong unit.
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| Subject: | Re: Father/son build team with engine question |
Thanks Chuck and John
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| Subject: | Re: metal vs wood prop |
AND wouldn't help your image when it partialy wore
away in that rain shower you zipped through one day
either. :-)
Clif :-)
Life is uncertain. Eat dessert first.
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Solution minded, YES, Greg! But that would truly be a breach of
etiquette..
Gary from Cool
Merry Christmas
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| Subject: | Re: Watch out for the bad guys out there |
So does this 'mechanic' actually turn up in person
to claim his money? If so then I think you've come
face to face with the perpetuator. This scam has
been around for years. The first time I ran across it
was seven years ago. Someone moving from their
temporary home in California wanted one of my
paintings. they wanted me to ship the painting to
the headquarters of their moving company, a PO
addy in London, England. The money order
arrived but for twice the amount. When querried
I was told the guy's wife had misunderstood his
instructions and could I please send the extra on
to the shipping company in England.Fortunately
alarm bells were sounding in my head and I held
off long enough to be made aware of the nature
of the beast. I gave all the info to the RCMP.
Never did find out the outcome.
Pretty ballsy of the guy to actually turn up as
a mechanic!
Clif
They didn't try to bargain on the asking price. They claimed to out
of the country in the military, and wanted to send an agent/mechanic to
check out the airplane. They would send a certified check "guaranteed",
paying 10% down with an additional amount for the mechanic, which I was
to pass on to him.
The catch is that the 'cashiers check' is bogus. Matt Paxton
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